Why are PC players being so stuck up to ps3 players?

(at the moment I happen to be completely shite-faced drunk)

As quite a dedicated console-only user, to be honest, who cares?
My one and only experience of PC gaming happened to be such a horrible experience that I'm happy to say I'm a console gamer, but at the same time I don't paint all PC gamers with the same brush.

I'm sure 95% of PC gamers are cool individuals but as with any social dichotomy (and I'm as surprised as you that someone this drunk can remember a world like 'dichotomy')
PC gamers have their share of assholes.

It doesn't make me hate PC gamers, it makes me feel sorry for the genuine nice chaps that have to put up with the branding. As such I will view each PC gamer as I experience them and not before.

I do realize that by posting this completely hammered drunk that I'm not doing the Irish stereotype any good; On the one hand yes we drink. but on the other, we're great musicians, great artists, and we can drink the lot of you under the table. *burp

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Originally Posted by Flarestar

but it's hilariously obvious when I'm grouped with someone that's using a controller instead of mouse/kb, whether that's on PS3 or on PC.

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Ermm how do you tell? I'm kind of curious now. :D

/troll 1 PC nation or Die!
/Troll 0
/serious 1 _ So... One we can't really communicate with PS3 players. and two in my mind I don't see them be as reliable healers/tanks etc due to being on a controller
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Originally Posted by Artamie

Ermm how do you tell? I'm kind of curious now. :D

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controllers have better movement options :P(i.e no backpedalling at ALL) but vastly inferior targetting (no mouse click so has to rely on the pretty bad Tabtarget system :<) it's quite easy to tell who's on controller if you watch their movement, and no it doesn't handicap them in the slightest outside of the few times with 9+ enemies... in which case why aren't you AoE'ing them ANYWAYS?!

The only thing that'd make me frown at ps3 players is if they don't keyboard+mouse.

Do you even keyboard brah'?

J/King idk. <3 you all.

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Originally Posted by Iraeda

controllers have better movement options :P(i.e no backpedalling at ALL) but vastly inferior targetting (no mouse click so has to rely on the pretty bad Tabtarget system :<) it's quite easy to tell who's on controller if you watch their movement, and no it doesn't handicap them in the slightest outside of the few times with 9+ enemies... in which case why aren't you AoE'ing them ANYWAYS?!

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Thanks for clarifying :o

Unfortunately the internet seems to bring out the worst in some people. I love this game personally and I have it both on PC and PS3. I prefer to play on my PC the majority of the time due to the fact that my PC is far more powerful and its also easier to communicate. As far as holding it against someone that they play on PS3, thats ridiculous! I'm glad that people are able to enjoy the game no matter the platform. All the elite idiots need to go play something else.

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Originally Posted by Hikozaemon

you realize in a generation or 2 Nintendo wont exist as a console company anymore. Either will a lot of tripple a gaming developers; they are dropping like flys. Even companys such as Capcom and Square are headed in bad directions and continue too. PC gaming as been skyrocketing the last 2 years with no sign of slowing down. Indie developers and crowd funding are bringing games to PC that players actually want to play.

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This guy actually gets it! Its laughable to think consoles will replace PCs! "Google Ign's article "PC gaming is surging"" to get a decent idea of the growth PC Gaming has had and how consoles pale in comparison.

I see more PS3 people accusing PC players of being elitist than I see PC players persecuting PS3 players.

People like to whine and make themselves out to be victims.

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Originally Posted by Aurongroove

and we can drink the lot of you under the table. *burp

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This sounds like a challenge kind sir :)

This argument is ruining my immersion.

Oh, and it's boring and it's been done to death and ps3 limitations. Grass quality. It's just beta. DX99 support. Thanks.

Just like any issue, there aren't just "elitist pc gamers" and "terrible ps3 players". The reality, however, is that ps3 players will have worse performance than the average pc user. In terms of end-game, when performance/communication/player skill are most important, ps3 players are at a distinct advantage. PC gamers have the capacity to have higher average performance, better communication (or at worst; the same as ps3 players) and better skill due to the range of motion allowed by mouse and keyboard being superior to a controller. Those are all facts.

It doesn't excuse people being dicks, or honestly probably won't matter for the majority of players who won't be on the cutting edge of progression anyway, but I, personally, would never even consider trying to do end-game early on with the distinct disadvantages that the PS3 inherently has versus a computer.

It's not a social issue friend, it's a tactical issue. It's no different than guilds in other games not allowing players to raid without a voip; vent, mumble etc. In FF14 especially, due to the multi-party system, communication is extremely important. SE just needs to incorporate an in-game vocal chat system, then this issue would be a thing of the past.

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Originally Posted by Macho

This. I got a friend hooked on FFXIV and he's on PS3 and I gave him a keyboard because he wasn't using one. Most times they're open to better ways of gaming but you have to tell them about it.

Also, is it possible for a PS3 user to run a chat communication program on PS3 while it runs their game? Anyone know if PS4 is going to be able to?

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PS4, yes. PS3, no.

The only time I can imagine PS3 users having issues will be going into Ivory Tower with 24 people. Even then... We only have problems with FATES because there are usually like... 75+ people ontop of the mobs that spawn as well.

If you're not being allowed into a FC because you can't see the FATE mobs all the time than that's pretty much BS/a terrible FC. I play PS3 and have no problem running 8 man dungeons with the mobs on the screen and rarely have any issues playing the game (often times I do better than some of the PC users playing in dungeons :/)

Strangely, between the ps3 that I use, and the recently souped up pc that my husband uses, I find he has more trouble in FATEs than I do. Complains he can't target anything, meanwhile I've learned how to target quickly on ps3, getting as much as I can out of it. Granted, I had the advantage of the beta to get used to it (beta ran REALLY choppy on ps3). As a cnj, i tend to stay back a bit anyways, I wouldn't attempt to be in the thick of it, poor ps3 would explode!

Meh. PS3(PS4), PC. Potato, Patato.

The running issue with PS3 vs PC players is performance. To claim that both types of players will have equal performance at the same skill level is ridiculous and you know that. Moving out of continuous "bad" things while sustaining maximum DPS is not entirely possible for someone with a controller. There is a maximum DPS for a PS3 player and a maximum DPS for a PC player. The same can be said for healing and potentially tanking. I'm not sure if many have seen Turn4 in Coil, but I would take an average PC player over an excellent PS3 player in that situation any day.

Its not a matter of "looking down" on them. We all want to succeed at whatever we're trying to accomplish and will avoid anything that may impede that.

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Originally Posted by Veis

I see more PS3 people accusing PC players of being elitist than I see PC players persecuting PS3 players.

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You must not have read this thread, then.

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Originally Posted by Doki

Because the crossbar is way too limited a control scheme for hardcore playing. Sure the proud desparate few skilled PS3 players could get it down, but anyone could play better on PC than they could on PS3 hands down. Targeting on PS3, even with filters set up just right, is still a fetid pile of garbage.

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Ugh I know. I hate being able to easily target party members as a healer. It's the worst! It makes my "hardcore playing" absolutely futile. And using abilities? Pshaw. Who ever thought putting triggers on the back of a controller was a good idea? It's totally inaccessible.

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Because the frame rate on PS3 is horrid.

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I also hate how the poor frame rate on the PS3 hurts PC players. How could you ever play knowing there are some people experiencing the game at a lesser quality than you?!

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Because the majority of PS3 players don't even use a keyboard with their system at all.

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We all know that random low-level PS3 players who you will never interact with not using keyboards is definitely a huge problem and warrants looking down on every PS3 player.

People using your own experiences as evidence that you are right are funny. The facts are the facts. PS3 has performance issues, communication issues, lower range of skill. Even if you are the best player in the world, and you play on ps3, it's irrelevant in the bigger scheme of things; the average player would fare better on pc than on ps3. Fact.

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Last time I was on XI it was going strong, with the latest expansion getting alot of attention.

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Have you been on the XI forums lately? People are complaining because NA prime server population isn't even breaking 4 digits any more. Even the weekends are seeing only 1500 people. That game is dying. Everyone is moving here.

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Then I guess it's a good thing FFXIV hits the PS4 next February, huh? Also, I wouldn't even be playing this damn game without the PS3. I very grateful (despite all the issues) that I am able to enjoy the hell out of this game. Now, can we please stop this 9th grade argument?

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You do realize XI was released on the XBox360, right? And it was still chained to the same braindead engine and game design based around the PS2? That was a game that had to delete unused autotranslate terms to make room for new ones. Where monsters past 50 yalms didn't exist. Where selection boxes were limited to three lines high. Where the ENTIRE UI was based around a 640x480 resolution, and didn't scale. Where inventory was (and still is) capped to 80 items. All because of PS2 limitations. Meanwhile, PC-based MMOs gained traction and left XI in the dust.

FFXIV feels like such a great game. It would be a shame to see it crippled by decisions meant to accommodate the PS3 peasantry.

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Originally Posted by Stargazer1

snip *damn 1000 character limit.*

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Was your character name the same that is listed on your forum avatar? Shambala Zenwhisper is a perfectly fine name even for a hard core rp group. I honestly cant think of any reason why you would be denied for your name. Now if it was a hard core rp group and your name was Ipooinboots Mcgee then sure. But not what you have listed.

But i agree people are always looking for ways to split the communities now a days. Unless they specifically tell me they are on a ps3, i cant tell.

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Originally Posted by Mishakai

You can LOL all you want to man, it's all about market share. I hate to admit it as an old-school PC gamer.. I've been tweaking hardware for longer than I care to admit anymore... You plan on running Win 7 forever? Even MS is taking their OS full on tablet. You think Linux is going to pick up the slack, or Mac? Look where the Operating Systems are going. Within 10 years, you'll have your games on your phone, your tablet, and your console. PCs will be back to development, science/industry, hobbyists..

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other then PC is currently making 10 billion more then Consoles, and currently has more game developers and more people game on PCs then anything else.

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Originally Posted by Wiggles

Quite possibly the most ignorant thing I have ever read on the internet. PC gaming is SURGING right now with MMO's, Free to play games, Steam, consoles try to mimic features that have been on PC for years. FInally consumers are wising up and not buying the next console and instead investing in a PC.

PS3 players use controllers which are clumsy and inefficient when playing. I know many who cant even read the chat log because they play from their couch ignoring all communication. Its really baffling as to how anyone could play with a controller.

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So you answer an ignorant response with another ignorant response... lol

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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat

People using your own experiences as evidence that you are right are funny.

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...followed by...

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the average player would fare better on pc than on ps3. Fact.

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...and not a single hint of irony.

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Originally Posted by Alyko

Meanwhile, PC-based MMOs gained traction and left XI in the dust.

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Can you point me to an MMO that has upgraded with the times? It's not like EQ and Runescape are making massive upgrades to reflect how far computers have come since then. Their UIs still look like shit compared to modern MMOs.

There has never been an MMO that has taken advantage of computational upgrades. It has nothing to do with PS2 or PS3 limitations. Companies just don't do entire reworks of successful MMOs like that. They would rather build a whole new one instead of make a really old one look marginally better.

hmm lets see well
1 Most mmo gamers are pc users and for us the range of players goes from awesome to d bag 5000s, sounds like you console folks are used to a much more fluffy crowd
2 Most ps3 players here cant/ do not make the effort to talk/chat/voice or make themselves part of the game community while in game.
3 While we had our awesome cant log in 2 weeks of 1017 the ps3 players NEVER LOGGED OUT, so some backlash is due to that. you guys bragged about it in every thread.

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Originally Posted by Ceol

...followed by...
...and not a single hint of irony.

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Its not ironic when you are too dense to understand that PS3 has severe limitations. Its not about empirical experiences, its about the average computer being more capable of running the game more smoothly than the ps3.

Well, us PC players have to feel special somewhere, don't we? I certainly don't feel special driving my Ford Focus through Beverly Hills everyday, lol.

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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat

Its not ironic when you are too dense to understand that PS3 has severe limitations. Its not about empirical experiences, its about the average computer being more capable of running the game more smoothly than the ps3.

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And that has what to do with your personal play experience, exactly? What "fact" do you have that PS3 having a lower frame rate and crappier resolution makes your experience worse? Surely you have a good reason and aren't just being a dick for no reason, right?

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Originally Posted by jebali

hmm lets see well
1 Most mmo gamers are pc users and for us the range of players goes from awesome to d bag 5000s, sounds like you console folks are used to a much more fluffy crowd

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So you look down on PS3 players because... we don't have to deal with douchebags as much? Poor little ol' us!

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2 Most ps3 players here cant/ do not make the effort to talk/chat/voice or make themselves part of the game community while in game.

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Your highest level class is 18. Methinks you might not be part of the "game community" yourself.

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3 While we had our awesome cant log in 2 weeks of 1017 the ps3 players NEVER LOGGED OUT, so some backlash is due to that. you guys bragged about it in every thread.

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I can't even be sarcastic anymore. Do you really, seriously think the only people staying logged in were PS3 users? Do you think that only the PS3 had the ability to be logged in during those times? That's conspiracy theory-level nonsense.

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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat

running the game more smoothly than the ps3.

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ignore the fact consoles are locked to 30 FPS...

You may as well ask the question "why dont you as an upper middle class citizen associate with street bums and filthy bogans?" Because they're dirty savages, maybe?

well to be fair most PS3 users don't even type back when you say something to them. You don't know if they understood you if they can't type back. It's frustrating just for that.

PS3 users get a Keyboard so you can type us back so we can communicate :cool:

maybe its your server. because i dont hear alot of th ton my server. just saying.

but to get on the argument. ps3 is kinda hindering versus pc. pc is more customizable and quicker response times etc. versus the ps3. u gotta remember so many button sequences to get wht u want up etc. idk ps3 setup is just confusing to me lol. ima keyboard an dmouse person by natural.

Everytime i come to read the forum. xd

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-conten..._community.gif

Wait...is that why so many instance runs no one says a thing when I greet them but other times everyones talking? PS3 users y u no talk to me? :'( I have cake.

I see the opposite problem on my server: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...516811/member/

I guess... everyone's a little be racist.

I think its mainly because the PS3 interface is complicated compared to the PC interface.

I notice when I have PS3 healers in dungeons, mainly because they can't seem to multi task, IE repose a mob and heal me at the same time.

Another grip I have is most of them don't communicate. Getting that PS3 controller keyboard thing would be a nice thing, or just plugging in a USB keyboard to your PS3.

The multitask thing could be fixed with macros, aka the ability to target a mark such as <bind1> or something, if they say at the beginning of the instance, if you want CC use such and such mark.

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Originally Posted by jebali

hmm lets see well
1 Most mmo gamers are pc users and for us the range of players goes from awesome to d bag 5000s, sounds like you console folks are used to a much more fluffy crowd
2 Most ps3 players here cant/ do not make the effort to talk/chat/voice or make themselves part of the game community while in game.
3 While we had our awesome cant log in 2 weeks of 1017 the ps3 players NEVER LOGGED OUT, so some backlash is due to that. you guys bragged about it in every thread.

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Oh wise pc mmo player all blame fore everything wrong comes from ps3 players. Except for hackers, botters, gil sellers, modders, am I forgetting anything

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Originally Posted by Hanemakikaze

Wait...is that why so many instance runs no one says a thing when I greet them but other times everyones talking?

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No. People are just really lazy. I don't know any PS3 player who doesn't also use a keyboard.

All of the people in this thread saying how PS3 players never talk are just pulling it out of their ass. They have no idea if the silent DPS in their party is a PS3 user or a EU player who doesn't speak English or a PC user who is just being lazy. They're just assuming it's a PS3 player so they have someone to focus their pubescent rage on.