Devs: Do you have plans to reset the forums in the future?

They need to nuke the NA forums only region with like 7000+ useless topics.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

Ya i did, and the topic is about to unbann everybody and this would be dumb. And just cause the banned person say he didn't do anything it doesn't means he it was like that. Cause banned ppl always say that...

There might maybe a few cases where ppl got banned cause of mistakes but that is no reason to unbann everybody...

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How would it effect you negatively other than having to read a troll thread every now and again? Which they would be banned again within days so what is the issue? New beginning for SE should be a new beginning for all players period, unless they had their entire account banned for cheating and that's a different story altogether. Rein, no they didn't give a reason other than doing the same thing that caused the temporary ban. Which would have been calling someone mentally challenged, though this was literally impossible because he was in the middle of timed ban. He received a second email stating that they were terminating his forum privileges for repeating the same action.

How is it not fair for a basically brand new forums to have a ban list already established based on soon to be archived comments that will not apply to the new forums unless you pull something up and re-post it? New start should not only apply to the game but for all the people who pay to play. (Not referring to removing a game ban, just forums solely for people who can still play the game)

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

Did you even read the topic dude?

The person in question already got their warning/temp ban, and then got a permanent ban after the temp one expired despite having done nothing.

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Except SE states very clearly when you get temp banned they investigate further and will take further action on the account. I would say if you remember this but you stated you only played XI till about level 20 and quit or something...

But for those that remember this that have played XI:

Remember when the Salvage exploit was around and people were getting banned left and right and swore up and down they did nothing despite the fact those who have done nothing weren't banned? You never get the full story especially if the person has done something. The fact he was temp banned in the first place means something was done and likely had a history of it. You break the rules you get punished, it's as simple as that.

Anyways my point of all along has been new game, new people, newer forums to some degree, new chance should be in there. Especially if they will have an active account and pay to play then they should be entitled for a new beginning just like everyone else whether some agree and some don't.

Someone wants to use criminals as example? A lot of criminals are given parole and that is the same as a second chance. All players who fit into the guidelines deserve a chance of parole even if they are put on a probational period for their second chance. There is absolutely nothing lost by giving them a chance so why deny them? They were banned from 1.0 forums for reason whether good or bad and served their 1.0 sentence until 1.0 forums go down and 2.0 forums come up. 2.0 Forums starting fresh and new they should start fresh and new with their second chance on probation and as I said before Win-Win. These players have some of their faith restored in SE by receiving a second chance, SE wins because it is part of their goal to restore faith in their customers and more activity on the forums at launch.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Banned users don't deserve another chance. sorry.

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Everybody deserves a second chance. Mistake are made to be corrected, like SE has made mistakes. Aren't you and many like us giving SE a second chance with ARR after the mistakes they made with 1.0? It would be hypocritical of them not to do the same to those that continue to pay and support them with there second chance.

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Originally Posted by Titans

Everybody deserves a second chance. Mistake are made to be corrected, like SE has made mistakes. Aren't you and many like us giving SE a second chance with ARR after the mistakes they made with 1.0? It would be hypocritical of them not to do the same to those that continue to pay and support them with there second chance.

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SE doesn't perma ban if you're on a "second chance" is the point here lol. Lots of people I know who got temp banned for things usually get unbanned after their 3 hour lockout, but if they continually repeat it they get permabanned.

Think of it this way:

Strike 1. Your post gets moderated.
Strike 2. You get temp banned for 3+hrs.
Strike 3. You continually get temp banned they decide to permaban you after reviewing your case.

It's really that simple..If her brother is who that post says it is, I know there's been quite a few instances of his posting that he more than likely would have or did get banned for, and SE reviewed that and perma banned him.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

SE doesn't perma ban if you're on a "second chance" is the point here lol. Lots of people I know who got temp banned for things usually get unbanned after their 3 hour lockout, but if they continually repeat it they get permabanned.

Think of it this way:

Strike 1. Your post gets moderated.
Strike 2. You get temp banned for 3+hrs.
Strike 3. You continually get temp banned they decide to permaban you after reviewing your case.

It's really that simple..If her brother is who that post says it is, I know there's been quite a few instances of his posting that he more than likely would have or did get banned for, and SE reviewed that and perma banned him.

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What you say is generally about right except about his posts, though I'm not sure if you read my last post. Really the issue isn't about whether we think they should or should not do it but is whether they are going to or not. I made the forum post because I was curious what some others would say to it, though mainly looking for a dev response on the matter at hand.

Though no one has yet answered my response to the "No" that keeps getting thrown out there. What would it hurt? How would it in any way effect the players negatively? I partially explained how it is a win-win at the current time and no resistance but people ignoring the statement altogether. Titans understands just wish the rest of the community could too. We are giving their game a second chance, they can give all their fans one as well.

I agree with op. Give everyone a second chance, especially Gath.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

But for those that remember this that have played XI:

Remember when the Salvage exploit was around and people were getting banned left and right and swore up and down they did nothing despite the fact those who have done nothing weren't banned?

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This was one of the most delicious moments in my FFXI career. Especially watching the smug cheaters who swore up and down they would never get banned....get banned. They all expected SE to stay idle, and when SE brought the might of Thor down upon them, they all cried innocent.

Read more!:

Amazing thread about dumb cheaters being dumb.

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Originally Posted by -S-a-g-e

Though no one has yet answered my response to the "No" that keeps getting thrown out there. What would it hurt? How would it in any way effect the players negatively? I partially explained how it is a win-win at the current time and no resistance but people ignoring the statement altogether. Titans understands just wish the rest of the community could too. We are giving their game a second chance, they can give all their fans one as well.

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Then allow me to respond directly.

Many of us don't want to deal with the idiots that got banned. They got banned for a reason, and it's likely that they are not people we want to interact with in the first place. It's not a "win-win" because the banners roam free and we have to deal with their stupidity once again. Who does it negatively impact? Those of us who have to deal with them when they're free.

Yes. SE is remaking their game and the forums are getting an overhaul. That does not make people who got banned any less stupid for doing whatever action they did to get banned.

Furthermore, and possibly to a lesser extent, it negates the impact of punishment to begin with. These people got "permanently" banned. If they were suddenly released on a second chance, a lot of good "permanent" bans do. What's next? Big Jimmy can choose to ignore the rules, knowing he'll get his ban lifted again at some point? Hell, why not just unban everyone at milestones in the games life. New expansion! Release the bans! Starlight Festival! Release the bans! You're messing with the integrity of the punishment by doing this.

Also, just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we don't understand. That's a weak argument and you should abandon it before you make yourself look like a tool.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Then allow me to respond directly.

Many of us don't want to deal with the idiots that got banned. They got banned for a reason, and it's likely that they are not people we want to interact with in the first place. It's not a "win-win" because the banners roam free and we have to deal with their stupidity once again. Who does it negatively impact? Those of us who have to deal with them when they're free.

Yes. SE is remaking their game and the forums are getting an overhaul. That does not make people who got banned any less stupid for doing whatever action they did to get banned.

Furthermore, and possibly to a lesser extent, it negates the impact of punishment to begin with. These people got "permanently" banned. If they were suddenly released on a second chance, a lot of good "permanent" bans do. What's next? Big Jimmy can choose to ignore the rules, knowing he'll get his ban lifted again at some point? Hell, why not just unban everyone at milestones in the games life. New expansion! Release the bans! Starlight Festival! Release the bans! You're messing with the integrity of the punishment by doing this.

Also, just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we don't understand. That's a weak argument and you should abandon it before you make yourself look like a tool.

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Problem is your point validates all my points that much more. Probational periods for the ones who were previously banned and big deal you might waste 10 seconds of your time reading one of their topics or posts? Or you can use your own free will and say "Oh gifthorse posted this! I ain't going to waste my time reading it" then you don't have anything to deal with. Not that I am condoning the behavior of the 80% or 90% that deserves the ban but I knew a few people outside of my brother who gotten banned for lashing out at the trolls.

So I ask you again, how is the previously banned players going to cause you any harm? You have to read their posts of your own will for them to be an issue, if you don't want a troll to get bigger don't feed it. The whole fact that the 1.0 forums is coming to an end and the 2.0 forums are beginning makes it where it doesn't negate the punishment. The probation also is a counter for this, heck maybe even give them limited posting privileges until their probational period is over.

Are you really so unwilling to make a compromise in something so simple? Something that is a really a non-issue topic? I just would like to see SE give their paying fan base a second chance just like the fans are going to give FFXIV a second chance.

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Originally Posted by -S-a-g-e

Are you really so unwilling to make a compromise in something so simple? Something that is a really a non-issue topic? I just would like to see SE give their paying fan base a second chance just like the fans are going to give FFXIV a second chance.

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As stated, it undermines the rules of the forums and it pretty much tells SE there's no point to enforcing their rules if they just unban people. You unban one person you have to unban everyone or there will be problems.

"Hey SE unbanned this person, I may have been a gigantic troll that posted nothing but porn gifs but why am I not unbanned?"

"Heeeeey yeah, I called this guy an idiot and threw around racial slurs to enforce my argument..unban me plz."

If SE doesn't unban them, they not only undermined their own rules they're being hypocritical to the situation. So it "hurts" no one, but it merely undermines what happens when you break rules.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Then allow me to respond directly.

Many of us don't want to deal with the idiots that got banned. They got banned for a reason, and it's likely that they are not people we want to interact with in the first place. It's not a "win-win" because the banners roam free and we have to deal with their stupidity once again. Who does it negatively impact? Those of us who have to deal with them when they're free.

Yes. SE is remaking their game and the forums are getting an overhaul. That does not make people who got banned any less stupid for doing whatever action they did to get banned.

Furthermore, and possibly to a lesser extent, it negates the impact of punishment to begin with. These people got "permanently" banned. If they were suddenly released on a second chance, a lot of good "permanent" bans do. What's next? Big Jimmy can choose to ignore the rules, knowing he'll get his ban lifted again at some point? Hell, why not just unban everyone at milestones in the games life. New expansion! Release the bans! Starlight Festival! Release the bans! You're messing with the integrity of the punishment by doing this.

Also, just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we don't understand. That's a weak argument and you should abandon it before you make yourself look like a tool.

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I'm quite certain that you are not a perfect person. I'm almost sure that you've done something wrong at least once in your life if not more than that. And I'm sure you was giving a chance to reform. If not then you are God almighty, NOT. SE should give every paying customer a chance to reflect there likes or dislikes about their second chance that they are asking us to give them. If they don't reform then ban them again, that's what the moderators are for.

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Originally Posted by Beren

I agree with op. Give everyone a second chance, especially Gath.

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lol, I can't help but agree.

In OP's Bro's defense some people here are like spoiled brats who you can't tell what they deserve else cops jump you XD!
wish there was more freedom of speech

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Originally Posted by Titans

I'm quite certain that you are not a perfect person. I'm almost sure that you've done something wrong at least once in your life if not more than that. And I'm sure you was giving a chance to reform. If not then you are God almighty, NOT.

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Of course people make mistakes. Everyone does. And everyone should be expected to pay for those mistakes. What mistakes I have made in life, I have faced the consequences for. Not a single one of them were so monumental that I had to make life reforms for.

See, there's this thing called integrity. If you have it, you're going to deal with problems and punishments a lot better. If you don't, you're going to try and justify how the world was unfair to you and that you don't really deserve the punishment or how it shouldn't have been as "harsh".

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Originally Posted by Titans

SE should give every paying customer a chance to reflect there likes or dislikes about their second chance that they are asking us to give them. If they don't reform then ban them again, that's what the moderators are for.

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That defeats the purpose of being banned. You're either banned or you're suspended. The people who were banned were banned for a reason. To lift that ban just because is completely undermining the integrity of a ban to begin with.

You're basically saying it would be ok to release murderers and rapists from jail because they have learned their lesson and should be given a second chance, with absolutely no evidence to support this, other than "It's the right thing to do and they can be monitored when they get out.". This is silly, because even though someone can be monitored, that doesn't immediately prevent them from action. It merely allows you to know when a new infraction takes place.

Not to mention, people are banned for a reason.. I don't care how saintlike the OP feels her brother is. He got banned for a reason. A purpose exists behind his punishment, as with everyone else who has been banned.

Honestly, the mods on this forum are extremely tolerant of a lot of bull. For him or anyone else to get banned, it isn't just some arbitrary decision to mess with someone. They messed up on a large enough level to warrant getting a permanent ban. Permanent.

To take it a step further:

Were I to ever, EVER, do anything that warranted a permanent banning, I would never expect that to be lifted. If I deserve it, there is no argument with it, so I apply the same strict standards to myself as well.

I think this is very important topic and devs and mods should take this seriously. The gaming world grows and also the rules and laws in the jungle should be fair. In real life a murder doesn't mean sitting rest of life in stone and saying badly to police normally doesn't cause any harm. General practices can be changed and should be changed. My opinion: 3 months ban, never longer. Thanks OP - I support 101 %. -- Northman --

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Originally Posted by moraliania

I think this is very important topic and devs and mods should take this seriously. The gaming world grows and also the rules and laws in the jungle should be fair. In real life a murder doesn't mean sitting rest of life in stone and saying badly to police normally doesn't cause any harm. General practices can be changed and should be changed. My opinion: 3 months ban, never longer. Thanks OP - I support 101 %. -- Northman --

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In Real Life murders get executed too, so we should do this here too? btw in real life person can go to jail for more then an entire lifespan.

But comparing forum bans with murders is stupid anyway cause they don't have anything common. RL has it own rules and gaming forums have their rules. If they get broken you get punished, if you do it multiple times punishments gets harder cause you didn't use your 2nd chance.

And a few years ago I offended cops while I was drunk, I got a warning by a judge and had to pay 400€ punishment. You can even go to jail for saying certain stuff (varies for each country of course) so i wouldn't say it doesn't cause any harm....

Punishments are needed but because it happens sometimes that the doom is wrong, it should not be permanent. 3 months is long time anyway. This is my opinion that they should give mercy to op's bro. But single case handling is difficult. And it's difficult to be the justice. So much easier just shorten the ban time.

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Originally Posted by moraliania

Punishments are needed but because it happens sometimes that the doom is wrong, it should not be permanent. 3 months is long time anyway. This is my opinion that they should give mercy to op's bro. But single case handling is difficult. And it's difficult to be the justice. So much easier just shorten the ban time.

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For normal you get a warning first, then you get temp banns before they permbann someone. Sure there are cases where permbanns have to be instant but that should be rare. If ppl continue do same shit again and again there is no need for mercy cause they forced it. They knew what would happen and still did not stop. So what will happen if you let them all in again?

And nobody really know what happend with the OPs brother, banned ppl always say they didn't do anything and its the mods fault. And it's hard to believe that SE just say they can't do anything cause it's Buisness of the Japanese. Sounds all weird and it looks like that the OP just try to get his/her brother back in even if everyone would have to handle all those banned idiots again...

@Alerith, but you logic is totally broken here, you are comparing murderers and rapists to people simply speaking their minds. You don't get a life sentence in jail for speaking your mind or occasionally lashing out vocally. Though of course there is a different set of rules at play there should be long ban periods before perma-bans ever come into play. In others defense these forums are a tad more harsh on things said because they are on a Japanese rule set instead of an American one. I've seen my brother say similar things on another game forums and not even get as much as a warning and some people don't realize this. Is that their mistake? Yes totally, but there is still a few steps missing in your ban process that should be addressed and as said before they could really look into a probational privileges for these accounts. Have you ever ran a forum before? Something like this is super easy to set up and is super effective. Limited privileges such as only being able to post in each category a limited amount of times each day with maybe some stipulations regarding your own personal topic/thread, this probational period would last a long period of time and would finally lead back into normal forum access.

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Originally Posted by moriandrio

For normal you get a warning first, then you get temp banns before they permbann someone. Sure there are cases where permbanns have to be instant but that should be rare. If ppl continue do same shit again and again there is no need for mercy cause they forced it. They knew what would happen and still did not stop. So what will happen if you let them all in again?

And nobody really know what happend with the OPs brother, banned ppl always say they didn't do anything and its the mods fault. And it's hard to believe that SE just say they can't do anything cause it's Buisness of the Japanese. Sounds all weird and it looks like that the OP just try to get his/her brother back in even if everyone would have to handle all those banned idiots again...

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It isn't solely about my brother by any means there have been others that have been banned who do not truly deserve a permanent ban. The steps shouldn't go from short ban to permanent ban, with no middle ground for any case unless all their posts are drastic. If you want to go look at my brothers posts majority of them are clean just a few makes sparks fly because he is so opinionated. I have been looking for the post that cause him to be banned but I think it may have been removed, though I read it in the past and I have told you what it said.

Since I have seen the situation first hand and we are often in the same household I understand obviously how my brother is better than anyone else here. I can tell you first hand a permanent ban was not deserved in his situation based off what other people get away with saying on these forums all the time. No I am not simply looking for my brother to have his ban removed unjustly but I just think all those guys deserve a chance if they have supported the game and still plan to support the game in the future.

Two things:

1. Lock/readonly all existing posts, so people will not be trying to revive dead/non existing issues for ARR. If any old issues still exists, those concerned should make new posts instead.

2. Unban all the members who are currently banned, and mod the forum source code to add a new "user voted ban" feature.

This feature should allows the forum users to vote which users to ban, and it will work like a counter of the likes/forum posts we have. Once a given user reaches a set limit (1k, 5k, etc), temp ban/permban kicks into effect. To prevent abuse, allow only one vote to be cast to any given member.

This should help the new forum to remove many of the existing troll posters that does nothing but create flaming threads that causes other members to get banned.

jc

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Originally Posted by -S-a-g-e

I don't really think you would say the same thing if you were on the other end of a ban without any proper cause or explanation to why.

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They give you an explanation when you are banned. I know from experience. And you get a few warnings before you get a perma-ban.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

They give you an explanation when you are banned. I know from experience. And you get a few warnings before you get a perma-ban.

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This is what I've been lurking for.

If this is true, then those who were perma-banned, should stay banned.

So if:

1. you where told what you did
2. you where given a chance to stop (not including actions gone too far)
3. you got banned anyways

4. then you should stay banned

To OP's particular case I'm curious how he go perma banned while temp banned.. that doesn't seem quite right. Though he may have said something so crazy in another post that they where like "holy crap, banned".

Also I believe they temp ban you first and then discuss further action - so his first action may have been the reason why he was banned, they just had to discuss it first. Like they lock and hide threads temporarily sometimes in order to clean it out, and then they will toss it back out. Bubblez will steal your lulz :D

He should check and see which emails are connected to his account - perhaps he got the warning but didnt "get it".

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

They give you an explanation when you are banned. I know from experience. And you get a few warnings before you get a perma-ban.

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I'm telling you first hand that I have seen both of his emails and only on the first temporary ban did they tell him why the second ban which happened in the middle of his time serving the prior had no excuse whatsoever and they refused to give him an answer through email so he made a call and there they told him it is all handled in Japan and they can't tell him squat all they can do is file a dispute on his behalf.

The first ban which I understand can be see as hateful and offensive because he directly called someone being born slow in the head or something very close of that nature but never said anything foul,racist, or any other type of bigotry. It is against the UA to directly harass another member of the forums, he understood that and accepted his time allotted ban.The perma-ban blindsided him and was without warning or explanation. I am not disputing his old offenses or anyone elses for that matter.

I am going to stick to my guns here and say what I have been saying, Final Fantasy XIV is about to have it's second chance and so should all of it's paying players. We are expected to let them have a chance to redeem themselves then they should be held to the same standard as us. Give those who were banned from previous forums behavior and actions a second chance with the start of the new game. I've pretty much said all that I can say about this and you either agree or your disagree, hopefully we will get a dev response on this and their plans in the very near future.

Everyone posting reason why they should stay banned, there is no point in posting on this thread. No matter what we put it's just going to go in loop. It's just wasting your energy. Might as well post something better on other threads.

As to -S-a-g-e all I can say is asking for help on forums probably won't help your brother at all. I suggest keep on going back to customer service to get this resolved.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Everyone posting reason why they should stay banned, there is no point in posting on this thread. No matter what we put it's just going to go in loop. It's just wasting your energy. Might as well post something better on other threads.

As to -S-a-g-e all I can say is asking for help on forums probably won't help your brother at all. I suggest keep on going back to customer service to get this resolved.

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B-b-but Reinheart.. I already posted in all the threads.. I want to post in this one now! *stomps* lol :P


Getting unperma banned is pretty unheard of though.. Since its just the forums I'd think they are easier* to hand those (bans) out as its not the game or their money source.

*If all the OP's bro said in very similar words "wow you are a slow person huh?" and that lead to a perma ban - thats pretty easy on the hand outs. Thats assuming OP is telling the full truth though

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*If all the OP's bro said in very similar words "wow you are a slow person huh?" and that lead to a perma ban - thats pretty easy on the hand outs. Thats assuming OP is telling the full truth though

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I've said worse than that and I'm still here, so I'm guessing that's not the whole truth.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Everyone posting reason why they should stay banned, there is no point in posting on this thread. No matter what we put it's just going to go in loop. It's just wasting your energy. Might as well post something better on other threads.

As to -S-a-g-e all I can say is asking for help on forums probably won't help your brother at all. I suggest keep on going back to customer service to get this resolved.

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No point!?!? There is a very clear and valid point and others who have agreed here and other have not. My intentions was to never dispute a ban or whether or not you think they should be un-banned. I was simply posting an idea that I would like SE to take into considering and hoping the community would be respectful enough to come up with some alternative suggestions and there was a few. Most who disagreed missed my point entirely and I was mainly using my brothers case as an example. What my objective here is to find out what the DEVs plan to do with the 2.0 forums and see if they would even take this into consideration.

Considering some of these people still have game accounts and will continue to pay for the game like they did up until billing stopped, who give this company their support and dedication. To ask for a new beginning like SE asked of us, is not too much to ask. I will agree that this is starting to loop and we should bring this to a close pretty soon but I would really like to hear the thoughts and plans of the DEV Team on these matters soon. Though with Beta coming up I am sure we will find out more in just a matter of time.

IF you like my idea or agree with my original post please hit "LIKE" on the front page. There is no need to say anymore about it just check one of the two boxes with a "LIKE" and all is understood.

IF you dislike my idea or totally disagree with the possibility for whatever reason feel free to "LIKE" this post.

I imagine if they do this it will be like the scene in dark knight rises, where Bane releases all the criminals from blackgate prison

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Banned users don't deserve another chance. sorry.

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Thank you.
To have BelgarianROFL posting again would be a crime against humanity.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

Thank you.
To have BelgarianROFL posting again would be a crime against humanity.

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That's assuming that they wasn't banned from the game or that they will continue to be paying subscribers. Also several months have passed by since the game hasn't been up and they have no forum access they are probably off being a plague to some other MMO's forums.

Unfortunately, knowing the process of getting a perma-ban.
You have to TRY to get that here.
It's not easy, trust me.

They don't hand out perma-bans like candy at Halloween.

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That's assuming that they wasn't banned from the game or that they will continue to be paying subscribers. Also several months have passed by since the game hasn't been up and they have no forum access they are probably off being a plague to some other MMO's forums.

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That's an assumption nothing else. If you unbann all those retards at least some of them will come back and do same shit as before. And there are so many different reasons why ppl got banned. Some of them, you can't unbann (like those who been posting pornographic pictures etc.) and to decide for every single bann would be way too much work.

Again those ppl all had their 2nd chance allready and they gave shit about it, no reason to let em back in.

Difference of opinion is what it boils down to. Some people are more deserving than others for sure though once again worst case scenario is the baddies get banned again in no time flat. Best case scenario a handful of those people take that as a lesson learned and contribute like everyone else. Some people learn the hard way and that should be taken into consideration as well.

Again they asked us to give them a second chance it is only fair if others ask the same of them considering all the circumstances. You may disagree with this sentimentality and that is perfectly okay.