FF14:ARR reminds me A LOT like Aion

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12-09-2012, 06:54 AM
Ticks

I miss the skillchains. I believe that was exclusive to FFXI for quite awhile. That is the one thing I would love to see implemented in 2.0 instead of combos.
12-09-2012, 07:00 AM
Fensfield

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Originally Posted by Gentaro

afaik they plan to remove that? I believe they said so in a live letter

What they said they intended to remove was v1.x's combo system's reliance on position - I believe PvP was mentioned as the reason. That is, for instance, where a combo would only trigger for a particular action if that action was executed from behind the target.. now in v2.0, it needn't be used from any particular angle for the combo to go off.

Which is a shame, I think.
12-09-2012, 07:13 AM
Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

FLAME ON!

The first clue that this person is a troll and you are wasting breath even talking to him. This phrase means "I'm just saying this to instigate an argument but I don't really care what you think and this may or may not actually be my opinion on the matter"

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Which is a shame, I think.

It's really not because the bonus effects weren't really worth the bending over backwards to be in the right position. But, if they were worth it, then people would cry "OP!"
12-09-2012, 07:15 AM
Gokulo

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

What they said they intended to remove was v1.x's combo system's reliance on position - I believe PvP was mentioned as the reason. That is, for instance, where a combo would only trigger for a particular action if that action was executed from behind the target.. now in v2.0, it needn't be used from any particular angle for the combo to go off.

Which is a shame, I think.

From what I remember, they said the side requirement will still be there, but only for the initial WS in the combo. The following skill can be launched from anywhere.
12-09-2012, 09:36 AM
Gentaro

Thanks Fens,thats what i meant ^^

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It's really not because the bonus effects weren't really worth the bending over backwards to be in the right position. But, if they were worth it, then people would cry "OP!"

Have you even played FFXIV? If you had a 3-skill combo you had to use the first 2 from the right angle in order to be able to use the following skills as a combo -.-
I think that is the most critical feature they remove from the game, I hope they might reconsider that. PvP is no reason, they simply can disable the positioning for PvP, but leave it for PvE.
12-09-2012, 11:45 AM
kazaran

Umm no. It's not.
12-09-2012, 11:48 AM
Klefth

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Originally Posted by Gentaro

Have you even played FFXIV? If you had a 3-skill combo you had to use the first 2 from the right angle in order to be able to use the following skills as a combo -.-
I think that is the most critical feature they remove from the game, I hope they might reconsider that. PvP is no reason, they simply can disable the positioning for PvP, but leave it for PvE.

No it's not being removed, it's just being dumbed do-- er, I mean... simplified in favor of the oh so critical PvP.
12-09-2012, 12:13 PM
pool842

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

As opposed to FFXIV 1.0's 1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3? Or what? Were you activating skills with telepathic brainwaves in 1.0?

This made my day lol
12-09-2012, 04:34 PM
Arcell

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Originally Posted by Gentaro

ARR reminds me A LOT like Aion
ARR reminds me A LOT like WoW
ARR reminds me A LOT like Rift
ARR reminds me A LOT like Warhammer Online
ARR reminds me A LOT like SWToR
ARR reminds me A LOT like LotRO
ARR reminds me A LOT like any mmo released in the past few years

That is because the core is the same in all of them?

I wanted to start puking when I saw someone bitching about the person showing the alpha was "a clicker" - "any serious guild would kick him" =.=

It's almost like it's in the same genre. However that's silly, we all know that every single MMO ever is a completely different and unique entity separate from everything that came before it. You know, just like all video games.

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

What they said they intended to remove was v1.x's combo system's reliance on position - I believe PvP was mentioned as the reason. That is, for instance, where a combo would only trigger for a particular action if that action was executed from behind the target.. now in v2.0, it needn't be used from any particular angle for the combo to go off.

Which is a shame, I think.

Actually I'm fairly certain they said that the first part of every combo will still require the directional position but the rest won't.
12-09-2012, 04:44 PM
Babydoll

Aion does not have GCD. o.O FFXIV ARR is nothing like Aion lol...
12-09-2012, 09:57 PM
Kallera

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Originally Posted by Arcell

It's almost like it's in the same genre. However that's silly, we all know that every single MMO ever is a completely different and unique entity separate from everything that came before it. You know, just like all video games.

Actually I'm fairly certain they said that the first part of every combo will still require the directional position but the rest won't.

The rpg has had multiple iterations within its own genre, so its not like its impossible to innovate here. I think some variety is a little overdue in this type of game at any rate.

What purpose will there be to activate the individual combo actions on their own?
12-09-2012, 11:37 PM
Joji

Every game has inspiration from something previously made, it's naive to think something is genuinely original. That doesn't mean every game is a copy. Comparing it with a dish of food, there can be two bowls of soup, both of them with chicken. But it all comes down to what spice and what you have on the side. It can make all the difference. So i can't understand why people put these threads up claiming it's a lookalike, or when you do some of the same stuff.

Hitting button 1,2,3,4.. Seriously!? You could just as well mentioned the whole keyboard. And for gods sake, it's alpha. Get it!?
12-10-2012, 02:40 AM
Arcell

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Originally Posted by Kallera

The rpg has had multiple iterations within its own genre, so its not like its impossible to innovate here. I think some variety is a little overdue in this type of game at any rate.

What purpose will there be to activate the individual combo actions on their own?

Well to be honest the entire RPG designation as a whole is becoming fuzzier as time goes on as more games from other genres are taking on elements of the RPG genre. Since this game isn't a Shooter MMO or a Hack'n Slash style MMO, it falls more into the traditional category. This isn't to say that there isn't any room for any innovation, but that there's only so much one can really do and the "standards" that do exist exist for a reason. Because they have proven to, in most cases, be good systems when implemented properly. Even games that have claimed sweeping innovation, like GW2, really only changed the presentation of the same old thing we've been doing for a decade. Same objectives and systems, new paint.

It's hard to complain about a "123121314" style combat system when we know from 1.0 that at higher levels this simply isn't the case. There were rotations certainly but you could mix things up as needed and they were fairly long rotations, mostly because of combos.

As with 1.0, I don't think there will be much reason to activate skills outside of a combo aside from maybe incapacitation or a secondary effect not tied to the combo. What I was saying was that, in 1.0 each step of the combo usually had its own directional condition. If I recall correctly they said that in 2.0 only the first step of the combo would have a directional condition and that any that follow it can be executed from any side.
12-10-2012, 03:44 AM
Valmonte

i used a controller never pressed a number in my entire 1.0 career, i prefer Controllers in all my RPG's over Keyboards and mice, i find its more relaxing.

the only time i use a Keyboard & mouse for gaming is for Tactical or Shooters.
12-10-2012, 04:07 AM
Zenaku

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

i used a controller never pressed a number in my entire 1.0 career, i prefer Controllers in all my RPG's over Keyboards and mice, i find its more relaxing.

the only time i use a Keyboard & mouse for gaming is for Tactical or Shooters.

same here i enjoy ffxiv 1.0 way better then keyboard / mouse if my controller every broke midway in 1.0 i think i could just not play too i get a new one lol.
12-10-2012, 04:43 AM
Hanemakikaze

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

I don't know what it is, but what I have been watching and studing, it seems that 2.0 is going to be played like Aion, and those who played it know what I am taking about. And the 2,3,2,4,2,3,2,4,2,3,2,4,2,3,2,4 doesn't seem fun at all...... FLAME ON!

So you have to press buttons to play a video game? HOLY SHI- YOU JUST BLEW MY MIND!
12-10-2012, 06:30 AM
RoninDarkchild

Can someone PLEASE point me to these awesome unlimited means of attack for a DRG or BRD in 1.0 that DIDNT have you spamming the same abilities at lvl 20? I'd love to know...
12-10-2012, 09:49 AM
Nox

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

I don't know what it is, but what I have been watching and studing, it seems that 2.0 is going to be played like Aion, and those who played it know what I am taking about. And the 2,3,2,4,2,3,2,4,2,3,2,4,2,3,2,4 doesn't seem fun at all...... FLAME ON!

that's like complaining that in FPS games on 360 the shooting button is the trigger. pointless thread is pointless.
12-10-2012, 10:12 AM
Kerrigen

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Originally Posted by RoninDarkchild

Can someone PLEASE point me to these awesome unlimited means of attack for a DRG or BRD in 1.0 that DIDNT have you spamming the same abilities at lvl 20? I'd love to know...

Auto-attacking (or in Archer's case, pressing 1 for Light Shot) was so, so deep gameplay.
12-10-2012, 11:55 AM
RoninDarkchild

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Originally Posted by Kerrigen

Auto-attacking (or in Archer's case, pressing 1 for Light Shot) was so, so deep gameplay.

lol that thing that allowed me to spam TP then eat a sandwhich while I waited for more tp? XD
12-10-2012, 02:33 PM
Orophin

I guess all that's left for us to do now is sprout wings out of our back.
12-10-2012, 02:41 PM
Alerith

*walks in with a speech prepared for the OP*

*notices the community has it covered*

*heaves a disappointed sigh and leaves.*
12-10-2012, 05:15 PM
KaiTBF

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I guess all that's left for us to do now is sprout wings out of our back.

I want wings.
12-10-2012, 05:23 PM
Valmonte

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Originally Posted by KaiTBF

I want wings.

here ya go

http://www.jdfoods.net/upload/128820...ickenwings.jpg

We only hand feed our deava's the finest quality grains and never use artificial plumpers.
12-10-2012, 05:25 PM
KaiTBF

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

here ya go

http://www.jdfoods.net/upload/128820...ickenwings.jpg

Curse you! Now I want those too!
12-10-2012, 05:49 PM
Kerrigen

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Originally Posted by RoninDarkchild

lol that thing that allowed me to spam TP then eat a sandwhich while I waited for more tp? XD

Pretty much: think of all your fellow posters that will now have to starve to death or take a real break to eat.

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