I have 1 problem with FF14 races.

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Originally Posted by Kemiko

It's a Final Fantasy game. If anything, it needs more of them. XIV is rather tame in its furries in comparison to most of the FF series though.

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Not really? Most games the protagonists don't even have any non-humans in the party or they have one, and some of those are just "Human but with animal ears/tail". Shoutout to FF6, 7 and 9 being outliers for having several non-human party members. Even if we're talking about non-protagonist races, I don't think any other final fantasy game has more beast races than FF14.

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Originally Posted by Connor

Can I be a Moogle? A cute one, not an ff12 anthropomorphic horror show one.

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FFXII Moogles are the best Moogles. They would make a fantastic playable race in FFXIV. :cool:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/5111e0f4...2c550a9234.gif

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

FFXII Moogles are the best Moogles. They would make a fantastic playable race in FFXIV. :cool:

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This so much actually, I vastly prefer Moogles feeling like a real fantasy race as they do in XII and in Ivalice games in general, than being the Marketable Plushies they are everywhere else, and I was deeply disappointed when XIV Montblanc turned out to be a normal FFXIV Moogle that happens to have Montblanc's name.

https://i.imgur.com/w5REKdD.png

In general, I feel Ivalice has the strongest race catalogue of any Final Fantasy setting, it's genuinely not even close.

Who cares what people on twitter dot com think? They use Twitter, that isn't exactly the pinnacle of sanity...

I, for one, think a dog race would go well and it would be a good idea to increase the amount of customization in a game which SORELY needs it.

I want them to finish implementing Hrothgar and Viera first instead of the half-assery we've got right now.

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Originally Posted by LCROSSE

To be honest, they could re-use the body/skeleton/structures from any of the races to make a new race and just overlay whatever type of "skin/fur" they need on that, really they only need to make new heads (and maybe tails depending) to be able to add a new race. I'd find that totally acceptable.
And didnt they actually tweak the "bone structures" of each race when they did the graphic overhaul? I swear I saw a section in the liveletters or keynote during the lead up to Dawntrail...

EDIT: I guess it was this I remember them talking about. (2023 London Fan Fest Developer Panel) They incorporate partial automation and morphing of gear to fit other races. If they reused "body" assets, they wouldnt need to do much racial scaling and could focus primarily on new "racial" heads.

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Underrated comment. All the races* use fundamentally the same base model stretched out in various ways to achieve their in-game proportions

*aside from Lalafell, male Highlanders and male Roegadyn/Hrothgar

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

This so much actually, I vastly prefer Moogles feeling like a real fantasy race as they do in XII and in Ivalice games in general

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Me too, and it seems like they would be relatively straightforward to implement since they're basically just a fuzzy lalafell.

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Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi

In general, I feel Ivalice has the strongest race catalogue of any Final Fantasy setting, it's genuinely not even close.

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As much as I love Ivalice and FFXII I'd personally have to give that award to FFIX. Not only does it have a very diverse and well designed main cast but the sheer variety of races you encounter throughout the game is unmatched. Speaking of which, Burmecians are another race I'd love to see in FFXIV but only if they got their proper rat legs, so I doubt that one is ever going to happen sadly. :(

https://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...a_FFIX_Art.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ajisaii

that's one too many if you ask me

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Good thing no one did lol


Obligatory disclaimer: you're welcome to not like hrothgar I don't care either way I just thought post was funny

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Me too, and it seems like they would be relatively straightforward to implement since they're basically just a fuzzy lalafell.



As much as I love Ivalice and FFXII I'd personally have to give that award to FFIX. Not only does it have a very diverse and well designed main cast but the sheer variety of races you encounter throughout the game is unmatched. Speaking of which, Burmecians are another race I'd love to see in FFXIV but only if they got their proper rat legs, so I doubt that one is ever going to happen sadly. :(

https://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...a_FFIX_Art.jpg

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I was about to reply saying I wanted Burmecians in FFXIV. I know it will never happen, and if it did, they would probably make them look really wonky and clipping would be terrible, but they would be unique at least. It would give a cute and smaller animal like race.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/522460
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/487406
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Burmecian

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Originally Posted by Benevolent1

It would give a cute and smaller animal like race.

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Burmecians being small seems to be a common misconception, presumably due to the heavily stylized FFIX art style portraying all the characters as short and squat. They're actually around Hyur Highlander height. Freya specifically is 6’1’’ and the other Burmecians you encounter are generally around her height give or take.

https://thelifestream.net/wp-content...mparisons1.jpg

I'm just really bummed about there STILL only being one short race to pick, and that said short race is the only one that's comparatively cartoonish in design among the options. I think it's my hill I'll die on as far as character customization goes.

So I always jump on supporting any new race ideas that aren't 6 foot+ anything. Actually really like the Lilty/plant people suggestion I've seen a few times especially.



I always pick dwarves when they're an option. Lalafell were retrofitted into being dwarves in ShB, but what I want is Tolkien-esque/DnD dwarves. Short, squat, square, but clearly people and not so stylized even within the art-style that FFXIV has going. I don't even know if I want "cute."

my issue with races is theres no real different between tribes.

viera for example: they're basically the same thing. we should of had the jungle viera and cityfolk/the short viera breed.

there needs to be a more clearly different between race tribes.

Aura - oh we have purple scale and white chocolate scale. why can't the purple scale be more muscular in design or something.


male viera - male viera in lore are the stay at home "mum" so why not have a shorter male viera rather than having kpop or jpop male viera choices







also dog race is generic, burmecians would of been really cool and different

I'm going to let you finish, but max height M Vieras ARE still shorter than max height F Vieras, but you rarely see a max height woman in-game since they prefer to be min or middle height on the scale.

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Originally Posted by CCheshire

I'm going to let you finish, but max height M Vieras ARE still shorter than max height F Vieras, but you rarely see a max height woman in-game since they prefer to be min or middle height on the scale.

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I made my female Miqo'te max height, wouldn't mind if she was even taller/more toned.

I know female Hrothgar are a thing, I even changed to one for a little while when the game launched, but the lack of hairstyles (including ones I had earned or bought) and the oversized gear issue made me change back.

I'm kinda sad that there won't ever be races added again :/ While a dog race isn't really that interesting to me, something like a kitsune (yes yes I know, another animal-ears-and-tail race) would be so much fun. Or the Lupin, those wolf folk are awesome and I'd play them.

But I think it was said that it's not happening. I love the allied races system in WoW and while there's still races that haven't made it that people really want, at least the option was always there and people could speculate/be excited. Now..what? Look forward to yet another class that I doubt I'll play at all or be interested in? Like what else can they add now that everything feels the same and anyway why should I be excited when the content isn't rewarding? Hm ><

Yoshida took back the "no new races ever again" during one of the DT fanfests, actually. It's "up to us" whether they'll add more, is what he said. Whatever that means.

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

Burmecians being small seems to be a common misconception, presumably due to the heavily stylized FFIX art style portraying all the characters as short and squat. They're actually around Hyur Highlander height. Freya specifically is 6’1’’ and the other Burmecians you encounter are generally around her height give or take.

https://thelifestream.net/wp-content...mparisons1.jpg

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I stand corrected. Honestly, I think I like that fact that they're taller even more. Better to show of your glams. :D

https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki..._IX_characters

Ooooh... it's one of those threads!
I'd like to play as a Mamool Ja personally! Gonna call my guy Gohall Ja.
Bangaa would be cool too.

Admittedly, I dunno how S-E feels about non-humanoid races after the debacle of Viera/Hroth.

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Originally Posted by Tsiron

Yoshida took back the "no new races ever again" during one of the DT fanfests, actually. It's "up to us" whether they'll add more, is what he said. Whatever that means.

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Oh nice that's great news - but people were saying again more recently that they doubled down on it or something. I have no source, so, grain of salt, but I really, really hope I'm wrong because personally I would like more races to be added to the game, as that's what excites me far more than new jobs.

I genuinely had no idea why there was a huge spark of 'well now that they're never adding any races again...' recently, given I knew about what you're mentioning, but it made me assume that something more recent/new came out on the matter (again - I hope I'm wrong.)

I don't really want another race that's just hyur with a different set of animal ears. Just add more ear options to Miqote and add other options to the other races.

Since Yoshi P said it's up to us the players if we want a new race then it would be cool to have a race dog like or even like sheeps but that loooks humanoid

https://i.imgur.com/DaaXysL.gif

Oh yeah, dog people~~

I mean, lupin would have been cool race to have but I can like without.
Because the races we get... past HW seem to arrive in lil creaky state.

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Originally Posted by TheRealDesastr

Oh nice that's great news - but people were saying again more recently that they doubled down on it or something. I have no source, so, grain of salt, but I really, really hope I'm wrong because personally I would like more races to be added to the game, as that's what excites me far more than new jobs.

I genuinely had no idea why there was a huge spark of 'well now that they're never adding any races again...' recently, given I knew about what you're mentioning, but it made me assume that something more recent/new came out on the matter (again - I hope I'm wrong.)

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Several interviews from a month or two ago had Yoshi-P specifically discuss details regarding the Dawntrail graphical update and upcoming server update will allow the devs to expand the *current* races and overall options. Specifically he talks about how many texture layers we can add to faces could be expanded.

Spoilers for 7.4, but Halmarut is a green scaled Au Ra. It's not like with Yugiri where she has some unique pattern on her scales that add some extra color to her face, Halmarut is VERY distinctly green, and has a pale to dark ombre to what scales we see on her face and hands and especially her horns.

This has the new big theory that we may be getting a third clan per race or having clans as a limitation abolished entirely within what players can do when making their characters. There are some official race traits listed in material like the encyclopedias that aren't available in game, too. IE, Moon Keeper Miqo'te are supposed to have longer ears than Sun Seekers. They do not on in-game models.

So, at least with 8.0, it looks like instead of a new race, everyone will be getting a nice update. But we have zero clue on if that's true or what extent of it we're getting if true.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

This has the new big theory that we may be getting a third clan per race

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Which makes me wonder how it would work at all, see, something that gets scarcely talked about is that the two clan system is meant to be thematic to the game, Astral and Umbral, Light and Darkness, and the three races I feel represent this the best are Miqo, Au Ra, and Hrothgar, Miqos being directly Sun and Moon-themed, Au Ra are similarly day and night themed with the legend of Azem for Raen and Nhaama for Xaela, and Hrothgar being called "Helion", as in Helios, the Greek personification of the sun, and while "The Lost" don't directly invoke night, it still invokes a dark tone to fall in line with darkness. So what, is the expectation that they will drop the theming entirely, they will find a third aspect to the expected duality, or that any new clans will still represent Astral and Umbral?

It should be also noted that due to her true nature, we have every reason to believe that Halmarut may be a special and therefor unique case, and not representative of any other Au Ra.

Since someone already said the best race (Burmecian!)

https://img.dbgames.info/mousehunt/m...ouse_large.jpg

Someone here already said Gria and as much as I loved them in FFT I don't think we need another Hrothgar/Miqo'te situation.

But instead I'll take a helm slot problem and raise you a boot(and possibly chest)slot problem. A harpy race would be cool. We have three good examples of XIV harpies in Garuda(female and male version) and Meteion for a more playable character friendly model.

The head wings and bird feet could stay and the wings either be scrapped, made as flair for out of combat,or shrunk.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

This has the new big theory that we may be getting a third clan per race or having clans as a limitation abolished entirely within what players can do when making their characters. There are some official race traits listed in material like the encyclopedias that aren't available in game, too. IE, Moon Keeper Miqo'te are supposed to have longer ears than Sun Seekers. They do not on in-game models.

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Man, would it kill them to give Seekers SOME kind of unique trait? I'm already eternally jealous over Keeper fangs.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Man, would it kill them to give Seekers SOME kind of unique trait? I'm already eternally jealous over Keeper fangs.

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You say that but Seekers are so much more popular because of the eyes and more natural feeling skin tones. But yes, I get it.

It's also cannon that Seekers are generally stronger than Keepers, so making them have the option to be more muscular would be in line. My guess is it's a nod to the Nuhn family system with only the best men being a harem's patriarch, thus making for better genes?


Also, as far as clan traits go, Lalafell have a -terrible- deal in what differences actually exist. You can dig in and find a few quirks with brow shapes and jewelry, but the only notable difference is the eyes and that's all.

In ShB, I recall the un-helmed dwarves we saw in the flashbacks could have either eye type in both villages, so it wasn't even a line between the Tholls and Groggs. It was SO minor the devs didn't even make the effort to split them that way.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

You say that but Seekers are so much more popular because of the eyes and more natural feeling skin tones. But yes, I get it.

It's also cannon that Seekers are generally stronger than Keepers, so making them have the option to be more muscular would be in line. My guess is it's a nod to the Nuhn family system with only the best men being a harem's patriarch, thus making for better genes?


Also, as far as clan traits go, Lalafell have a -terrible- deal in what differences actually exist. You can dig in and find a few quirks with brow shapes and jewelry, but the only notable difference is the eyes and that's all.

In ShB, I recall the un-helmed dwarves we saw in the flashbacks could have either eye type in both villages, so it wasn't even a line between the Tholls and Groggs. It was SO minor the devs didn't even make the effort to split them that way.

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Maybe Seekers are popular as a choice for male Miqo'te players, but that's probably more due to their lore than actual physical traits. Same reason a see a lot more "Nuhn" than "Tia" out there as last names, lol. I feel like I rarely run into other female Seekers though, with most female Miqo'te being Keepers instead because of the big doe eyes, cute little fangs, and longer tails (which can be fluffy). I've even had other Keeper females remark that I "look good for a Seeker female" because I guess so few of them really bother with it in the character creator once they see all the little things Keepers have compared to Seekers that make them stand out. (I can't even recall if only Seekers get the "lion tail" as an option of if Keepers can have one too.)

I wouldn't be adverse to having Seekers being more toned/taller though, as I took them to be the "hardier" of the two clans living in mostly deserts versus the "sneakier" Keepers in their forests. As well, I always envisioned my catgirl as more of the "mature amazon" type versus the "cuddly uwu" kind when it comes to anime tropes, lol. I'm not expecting Roegadyn or Hrothgar levels of muscle and height though, just enough where you could visibly tell a Seeker from a Keeper, while letting Keepers have their longer ears too since that's a thing they're supposed to have it seems.

And I admit I'm not too familiar with clan differences outside Miqo'te/Hrothgar/Viera/Au Ra because those are the only races I've messed with in the character creator (and even then only with females). When it comes to telling Hyur/Elezen/Roegadyn/Lalafell apart, I can see it with Hyur due to Highlanders but the other three... eh, I think they get different skin tones, maybe some different face choices between each other? Incidentally, I remember as well when people thought Viera would be the opposite of Au Ra, with tall females and smol males, but the height difference ended up not being all that much I think.

Some of the distinctions are to be found in the NPC model choices, like duskwights having longer ears than wildwood despite both possessing the same ear options.
As I have posted before, I feel there's more design space in plant/tree humans given we are unlikely to have anything too outlandishly non-standard; the animal/human merger has realised its limit in hrothgar, methinks. If Sephirot's people ever become a playable race I'd fantasia for the first time ever with these bottles that have been burning a hole in my pocket since ARR.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

Several interviews from a month or two ago had Yoshi-P specifically discuss details regarding the Dawntrail graphical update and upcoming server update will allow the devs to expand the *current* races and overall options. Specifically he talks about how many texture layers we can add to faces could be expanded.

Spoilers for 7.4, but Halmarut is a green scaled Au Ra. It's not like with Yugiri where she has some unique pattern on her scales that add some extra color to her face, Halmarut is VERY distinctly green, and has a pale to dark ombre to what scales we see on her face and hands and especially her horns.

This has the new big theory that we may be getting a third clan per race or having clans as a limitation abolished entirely within what players can do when making their characters. There are some official race traits listed in material like the encyclopedias that aren't available in game, too. IE, Moon Keeper Miqo'te are supposed to have longer ears than Sun Seekers. They do not on in-game models.

So, at least with 8.0, it looks like instead of a new race, everyone will be getting a nice update. But we have zero clue on if that's true or what extent of it we're getting if true.

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Oh neat, that's good news then. I've got a touch more hope then upon reading that, cool. I'm very glad to be proven wrong.

I think subraces would be a very cool idea. Someone in this thread earlier said to do the animal ears and tail thing on the Miqo and... that's actually a pretty good idea. Give more faces and tail/ear options, I'd say, and do a thing like 'allied races' but for sub races in WoW. I'd loooove to make a kitsune character, and if they applied that to Miqo as a sort of sub race, that would be cool. Would it be viable lorewise? I don't know nor think so (as they're distinct animals ofc) but perhaps just using the 'skeleton' for it could be great.

Anyway, I think there's many possibilities and ways they could do it, so I'm happy to hear that door isn't closed.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

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All races will have variations in facial features and tattoos.

Hyur are the only race that have entirely different skeletons for each clan, with a whole swath of faces locked to each one. Nothing is shared other than skin tones. Also, Midlander males are the only race/clan option with 6 faces, though two are with or without stubble and are the default "Meteor" face. So they have 5 sculpts.

All other races will share the same 8 face sculpts between each clan, 4 male and 4 female.

For Roes, it's only skin tone and Hellsguard have a dark "ash" parch on their noses that's different.

Elezen, it's only skin tone and the coloring of built in make-up, which is uniquely heavy on Elezen.

Lalafell have the eyes.



Yeah, Viera men were a new design to FFXIV (they exist in the other Ivalice games, but we've never seen one), and they are smaller than women, but still a taller race. Our hope was for them to be closer to a Midlander in height or shorter, but they're still another "tall."


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I forgot to mention tails and ears! They are all consistently shared between clans identically. That lion tail that keeps coming up is available to all Miqo'te, all genders and clans, it's just extremely rare. Also, very few generic or important NPCs use shorter tails. G'raha and Y'shtola, for example, both use max length tails, and a Moonkeeper using either of the types they do will have the same length at 100%. It's another "in the books but not in game" detail that's rampant with Miqo'te. Seekers don't actually have the shorter ears and tails at all. I actually haven't looked into Au Ra regarding this, but I think they're commonly at the default 50% with NPCs.

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Originally Posted by RedLolly

All races will have variations in facial features and tattoos.

Hyur are the only race that have entirely different skeletons for each clan, with a whole swath of faces locked to each one. Nothing is shared other than skin tones. Also, Midlander males are the only race/clan option with 6 faces, though two are with or without stubble and are the default "Meteor" face. So they have 5 sculpts.

All other races will share the same 8 face sculpts between each clan, 4 male and 4 female.

For Roes, it's only skin tone and Hellsguard have a dark "ash" parch on their noses that's different.

Elezen, it's only skin tone and the coloring of built in make-up, which is uniquely heavy on Elezen.

Lalafell have the eyes.



Yeah, Viera men were a new design to FFXIV (they exist in the other Ivalice games, but we've never seen one), and they are smaller than women, but still a taller race. Our hope was for them to be closer to a Midlander in height or shorter, but they're still another "tall."


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I forgot to mention tails and ears! They are all consistently shared between clans identically. That lion tail that keeps coming up is available to all Miqo'te, all genders and clans, it's just extremely rare. Also, very few generic or important NPCs use shorter tails. G'raha and Y'shtola, for example, both use max length tails, and a Moonkeeper using either of the types they do will have the same length at 100%. It's another "in the books but not in game" detail that's rampant with Miqo'te. Seekers don't actually have the shorter ears and tails at all. I actually haven't looked into Au Ra regarding this, but I think they're commonly at the default 50% with NPCs.

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Huh, I figured all Keepers had longer tails by default as per the lore. Then again, I'm a Seeker with the default length, so most Miqo'te tails appear longer than mine even when compared to other Seekers. I wouldn't have considered that Y'shtola and G'raha had longer tails because they actually maxed the slider, rather I just assumed they were using "unique" models the same way a lot of other major NPCs do.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

Huh, I figured all Keepers had longer tails by default as per the lore. Then again, I'm a Seeker with the default length, so most Miqo'te tails appear longer than mine even when compared to other Seekers. I wouldn't have considered that Y'shtola and G'raha had longer tails because they actually maxed the slider, rather I just assumed they were using "unique" models the same way a lot of other major NPCs do.

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Nope, pretty much all Scions introduced in 1.0 use the character creator's assets, the only exception being Minfillia, who was completely overhauled for ARR with a fully unique model, but used CC assets in 1.0. That's actually the cause of the big hullabaloo over Thancred's face, he's back to using a base CC one and it looks really uncanny to some players. The upgrades to them started happening with the HW redesigns and a few haven't stuck post-DT graphic overhaul. The only actual unique traits from those ARR versions we can't access are the Archon tattoos and G'raha's red eye color (his natural teal is available, however) and it's very simple to make cosplay characters from those.

Estinien is also all over the place since he's in 1.0, with notably a Dusk exclusive skin tone, but has tweaks in ARR to fall in line with the new "Ishgard" Elezen, but both times he still uses CC assets. His unique face was only plugged in at 3.3 if I recall.

Hildibrand and Nashu also use CC assets and still do ARR onward to now.