Cosmic Exploration progression is poorly handled

In retrospect, it seems pretty foolish of me to have expected SE to deliver content that lasts more than a couple hours given their recent track record, but I'm disappointed all the same. Oh well, more time for the Oblivion remaster

What was the point of having all these progressions if they'd be done in 5 hours? Most people are never going to be able to participate now, seems like it was a massive waste of their time to include all these quests and instance stages.
Hopefully for their next exploration they get it right, this seems like there was some kind of miscalculation.

We've been stuck with a looping NPC, who we have named Charles, on Brynhildr (Crystal) who seems to be blocking the mushroom quest. No events have happened in over two hours.

No server seems to be past phase 3 so I don't see the what ppl are complaining about?
What do you guys mean
First phases must be quick since they give basic fanctions.
Next phase is progressing very slowly so it should take a while.

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

nah they just don't listening to anyone other then JP

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Based on some JP players that I had talked to, they don't listen to them either.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Sure,

But realistically it is quite impossible to account for several timezones, for several different activity levels, for several months all while sharing a cohesive progression check, and making sure no one misses out on any step.

I'd love to see a good example in any MMO that has achieved such a task while accomodating all of these variables. Do you have one or are we now just asking SE for the impossible?

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Doman enclave restoration. You start at 0, and through a weekly task get to see all the stages and see the enclave get slowly restored.
Just copy that at a bigger scale.

cant they scale it on each server individually to the population? sure it wouldnt be balanced perfectly on each server but that would surely be better than what we have now wouldnt it?

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Doman enclave restoration. You start at 0, and through a weekly task get to see all the stages and see the enclave get slowly restored.
Just copy that at a bigger scale.

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Domain was not a group effort it was based on individual progression. This is much more like Ishgard Restoration.

They should've make it like a quest or like tribes society, players see different things on different progression stage... It can also be community participate and at least people play on later days, they can still "work on the progress"

Not like now, for those who got a job, go watch a video to see what is the original looks like..... I don't know why I should help the loporrits, the whole thing is now just a new zone for leve quest leveling DOH / DOL and gamble

I’m confused as to why people are still seeing this as a problem (and normally I’m a massive complainer)

The first two stages were minor changes at best just to get the teleporters running because of the lack of mounts and now it seems like a long grind to stage 4 and potentially beyond

Nobody is missing contributing to progression, you can go contribute to progression right now. The first phases specifically changed almost nothing specifically as they were just setting up groundwork

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

As much as I kind of knew all of this was going to happen, the silver lining is that because we are getting multiple planets in this content, the feedback (if they listen) might give them what they need to improve on this and build out the progression differently so high-pop servers can't just burn through these progression phases so quickly.

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Their response to the negative reception to IS was "We aren't getting the praise we deserve, so we're not going to bother trying." I'll be very surprised if they actually iterate on CE and don't just write it off and go through the motions.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

Forums: "We want to have long form content to keep us entertained for longer periods of time"

SE: Cosmic Exploration

Forums: " Why are you punishing people who can't play all day?"

- and the wheel continues to turn.

Anyone who defends the flipfloping of these forums is a joke. SE can only farm L's at this point.

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Are you purposefully being obtuse or just naturally that way.

1) It's almost as if forums are made up of lots of people with different opinions and not a hivemind.

2) Longer form content that is well implemented would not punish people who can't play all day by design. It would have a long content life span and allow those players to join in. So whatever point you're trying to make here is moot.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’m confused as to why people are still seeing this as a problem (and normally I’m a massive complainer)

The first two stages were minor changes at best just to get the teleporters running because of the lack of mounts and now it seems like a long grind to stage 4 and potentially beyond

Nobody is missing contributing to progression, you can go contribute to progression right now. The first phases specifically changed almost nothing specifically as they were just setting up groundwork

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From what I see, people want it be both Doma (for solo stage progress) and Ishgard (for community contribution) at the same time. Not sure how it would work, because it would mean (at current stage) teleports for some but not others?

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Originally Posted by Daralii

Their response to the negative reception to IS was "We aren't getting the praise we deserve, so we're not going to bother trying." I'll be very surprised if they actually iterate on CE and don't just write it off and go through the motions.

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That's what I'm afraid of yeah. Just because there are vocal players, doesnt mean they should drop it forever.
Does it have flaws? Yeah. Still doesn't mean there aren't people who appreciate this style of content.
Honestly, I dont need a new map to explore for this type of content. They could bring a new system and integrate it all over Eorzea. Continue further and create a community event, where everyone can participate and enjoy. No need for speedruns.

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Originally Posted by Regis_Paran

From what I see, people want it be both Doma (for solo stage progress) and Ishgard (for community contribution) at the same time. Not sure how it would work, because it would mean (at current stage) teleports for some but not others?

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When the community contribution exp is full the stuff upgrades for everyone who is there at the time.
For players who come late be it work, health or new players to the game that finally reach it. They get a quest with an objective to do and finishing it gives them the upgrade on their end.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...48d0ae402c15a&

Guys just use the "Set alarm." function!

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Originally Posted by TKMXIV

When the community contribution exp is full the stuff upgrades for everyone who is there at the time.
For players who come late be it work, health or new players to the game that finally reach it. They get a quest with an objective to do and finishing it gives them the upgrade on their end.

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Yall really want to individually do the quest where you vacuum moon dust for 40 minutes

I guess whatever floats your boat. After the first upgrade I was glad I logged off and by the time I came back the second one was done

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Yall really want to individually do the quest where you vacuum moon dust for 40 minutes

I guess whatever floats your boat. After the first upgrade I was glad I logged off and by the time I came back the second one was done

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Sure, why not? If I can push a button to cast a spell or swing a weapon until something dies, I can click to vacuum dust.
At least I would be doing something to trigger a change in the overworld instead of it already being finished before I even did anything.

As a Diadem enjoyer, I find the Cosmic Exploration incredibly tedious (for the most part).

I'm not a fan of the levequest style content. Having to travel to each location to press two buttons to start a 3min timer then two more buttons to collect my reward after running across the small area to three different node spawn locations is frustrating.

If I want to do another levequest I have to click two buttons to figure out if I'm in the right spot or six more (maximum) because they change up order of the list.

I understand they included 'Stellar Sprint' but I would have really liked access to my mounts / flying to make it easier to get from one place to another instead of being land-locked to the 'teleports'.

It really just compounds the tedium of the whole experience.

I will give credit where it's due, I don't so much mind the fates. They're a nice change up to the gathering formula.

Ultimately though, I much prefer the more relaxed nature of 'pick up and go' that the Diadem provides. Just pick a class, pick the direction, go collect and turn in your items whenever you're ready.

I understand it's not for everyone but it's definitely a much more relaxed style of content that I really appreciate.

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Originally Posted by TKMXIV

Sure, why not? If I can push a button to cast a spell or swing a weapon until something dies, I can click to vacuum dust.
At least I would be doing something to trigger a change in the overworld instead of it already being finished before I even did anything.

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You are doing something, we are in stage 3 of like 15 and each stage is barely moving at like 1 stage per week

Remember what was in the live letter, we are nowhere near finished

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You are doing something, we are in stage 3 of like 15 and each stage is barely moving at like 1 stage per week

Remember what was in the live letter, we are nowhere near finished

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People are acting like zip lines were the peak of the content and nothing ever will happen after that.
Do they even know that we're only building a base of operations atm?... And cosidering what were told in the intro quest, I won't be surprised if we end up making a new starship.

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Originally Posted by Regis_Paran

People are acting like zip lines were the peak of the content and nothing ever will happen after that.
Do they even know that we're only building a base of operations atm?... And cosidering what were told in the intro quest, I won't be surprised if we end up making a new starship.

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You're missing the point. Each state will cycle in and be completed in hours unless they plan to make later stages take way, way longer.

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Originally Posted by Raim

You're missing the point. Each state will cycle in and be completed in hours unless they plan to make later stages take way, way longer.

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The current cycle is one day in and no server is even half way there

You know a game hit rock bottom when one-time event contribution is peak content.

The way I see it, the first two stages were meant to go by quickly so that we could unlock hoverboard travel. I’m also confident that we’ll unlock mounts after reaching a certain stage, and eventually even gain the ability to fly around the map.

I’m not sure what’s so sad about missing the first two phases, but I’m pretty sure we’ll get Fetes like those in the Ishgard Restoration, where each activity is repeated. The forums really quick to complain and it gets annoying.

Also, this is Odin's progression. So we haven't even see all phases.

https://i.imgur.com/UJc1D6w.png

Here is the link for all servers: Cosmic Exploration

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

Doman enclave restoration. You start at 0, and through a weekly task get to see all the stages and see the enclave get slowly restored.
Just copy that at a bigger scale.

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Ooh so close but that's not shared progression content serverwide.

One thing the game should do though is be a lot more transparent about the progression system

After phase 3 finished the bar just sat there empty for a while even though people were doing CE’s, red alerts, relics and ~~not~~ kupo of fortunes. That’s the original reason why people thought phase 3 was it, because nothing moved the bar.

Turns out every few hours (I’m not exactly sure how many) the game tallies up what’s been done recently and if it’s sufficient (which in a server the size of mine like jenova always is) then it fills one progress bar out of (I think) 10 then the cycle silently repeats

It seems like having the bar just be able to progress as things are done rather than arbitrarily go up in opaque blocks and pulls be better to show everyone that progression is still actively happening and you are contributing to it

Why would people think that tho?
They showed the phase with much more stuff in PLL and said even that is not the final phase.

Nice job forcing crafting in the gatherer jobs... I don't like crafting, planned to only do the gathering quest, but I guess I won't even do those in the end... I'm really not happy with that choice.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I’m confused as to why people are still seeing this as a problem (and normally I’m a massive complainer)

The first two stages were minor changes at best just to get the teleporters running because of the lack of mounts and now it seems like a long grind to stage 4 and potentially beyond

Nobody is missing contributing to progression, you can go contribute to progression right now. The first phases specifically changed almost nothing specifically as they were just setting up groundwork

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Because people want to experience all of this get built up and not just get driven over to something already completed? They want to participate in these fates and not just hear about them? This was one of the biggest complaints about Ishgard Restoration and we know they were asked about it because they mentioned it in the Live Letter.

This patch launched at 3am PST and most this stuff was done by 7am PST.

That means for the entire west, most players were either asleep or getting ready for work/school, or there. It started in the morning... The only ones this would had been a prime time to play are in Asia/OCE.
I don't see the point of having stages and community events that literally got slept through for most, and occurring only a couple hours apart from eachother. These needed to occur about every 8 hours, since those can account for a lot of shifts or sleep, and giving the stages time to breath. It is simply too fast this way aside for the low pop servers.

The first two steps were intentionally fast to complete because they contained essential NPCs and fast travel. Step 3 has been progressing for almost 48 hours and zero servers are even halfway done.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ration/report/

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Originally Posted by CidHeiral

The first two steps were intentionally fast to complete because they contained essential NPCs and fast travel. Step 3 has been progressing for almost 48 hours and zero servers are even halfway done.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ration/report/

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Intentionally fast for high population servers, maybe. Dynamis is still out here struggling to get their essential NPCs and fast travels.

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Originally Posted by kiwipen

Intentionally fast for high population servers, maybe. Dynamis is still out here struggling to get their essential NPCs and fast travels.

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I should have used "relatively fast." :p

Do we know if our concerns about this content are even being looked at? I was curious if the Japanese peeps had the same issue but as far as I can tell their side of these forums is empty of new posts. Do only the English forums get much comments or do they post problems elsewhere? Or just don’t complain because of their culture?

I’m mad about not being able to participate in any of this as I don’t have much free time for a bit and I have not done anything with my crafters or gatherers this expansion so by the time I can play this will all be over and all I’ll have is just the “final form” of the zone, and no real sense of progression like other content.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

Do we know if our concerns about this content are even being looked at? I was curious if the Japanese peeps had the same issue but as far as I can tell their side of these forums is empty of new posts. Do only the English forums get much comments or do they post problems elsewhere? Or just don’t complain because of their culture?

I’m mad about not being able to participate in any of this as I don’t have much free time for a bit and I have not done anything with my crafters or gatherers this expansion so by the time I can play this will all be over and all I’ll have is just the “final form” of the zone, and no real sense of progression like other content.

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Thats like complaining not being able to raid day one because you can't play on release date.
This content is available from lv10 you can play NOW.
We don't have a single buildings yet and if it took a day or more to build a transportation it wouldve been miserable....

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Originally Posted by Renaclock

Thats like complaining not being able to raid day one because you can't play on release date.
This content is available from lv10 you can play NOW.
We don't have a single buildings yet and if it took a day or more to build a transportation it wouldve been miserable....

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You don’t miss whole stages of combat if you’re not raiding on day one. This is supposed to be community content but how can I feel part of a community if it’s already complete before I can even make time to play?

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

You don’t miss whole stages of combat if you’re not raiding on day one. This is supposed to be community content but how can I feel part of a community if it’s already complete before I can even make time to play?

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The reality is it's not community content at all.

Do I feel part of the Adamantoise "community" if we fill a progress bar faster than Faerie? No, I'm just more likely to be asleep when something significant happens.

Is there a "community spirit" in the construction and gathering areas? Not at all. DoL don't have time to chat even if they wanted to, the gaggle of crafters is indistinguishable from the Shaded Bower other than it's far uglier, and people running around pressing their one button in the FATEs is just a bit sad.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

You don’t miss whole stages of combat if you’re not raiding on day one. This is supposed to be community content but how can I feel part of a community if it’s already complete before I can even make time to play?

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But that’s the thing the moon has FIFTEEN stages and even aether’s busiest servers are barely halfway through stage 3. That means there is 12 more “progression fates” for the moon

Do people really think it can be balanced that every person can attend every one of the 15 40 minute fates

Doing anything in cosmic right now is contributing to your servers progression. I’m not sure how people expect singular contribution to feel meaningful in server wide progression

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

But that’s the thing the moon has FIFTEEN stages and even aether’s busiest servers are barely halfway through stage 3. That means there is 12 more “progression fates” for the moon

Do people really think it can be balanced that every person can attend every one of the 15 40 minute fates

Doing anything in cosmic right now is contributing to your servers progression. I’m not sure how people expect singular contribution to feel meaningful in server wide progression

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It was SE's job to do that or just not have server progression in the first place after being told how much missing out on progression events sucks in the last one.