WoW's player housing will have no FOMO and private housing wards

Not going back, but it's noticeable that when WoW starts competing the gulf between the devteams is more easy to see. I honestly hope they start tossing more digs at the SE-devteam.

We'll see how they tackle housing, Wildstar has had the best system so far.

How FFXIV competes? lol.
Dragonriding vs slight mount tilt. That's how FFXIV competes. Painful skyboxes that limit your lackluster flying too.
But to be fair, FFXIV doesn't need to compete. Being 2nd is good enough with the lack of competition.

curious to see what will SE do : )
"multidollar" companies like these two giants seem to only get some incentive to move when someone pokes to what they consider their territory.

I preface this with saying, yes the FFXIV housing system sucks and definitely needs to be overhauled.

That being said...

I find it hilarious that modern Blizzard says something, and people still swoon and throw money at their computer, despite proving time and time again they do not deserve that faith. The only thing modern Blizzard does not disappoint in is disappointment. Why not wait until all the information is out before we start tossing the rose petals out?

that callout about not losing your house if you're unsubbed was so based. i hope they continue to target xiv like this; maybe it'll make xiv do better.

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"I didn't interpret it as them being agaisnt it but I didn't read it for long."

This first section's bolded bit: "Having many housing zones conflicts with the second pillar of designing a feature that is “Deeply Social.” In a world where players can live in many different zones, they become increasingly spread out and even with aggressive sharding, the chance of seeing other players, much less interacting with them, drops quickly."

Combined with: "We’d much rather do a great job with a small number of zones than do a passable job on a large number (or come up with solutions that take the player out of the world into their own personal instance of a zone)"
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This sentence format is "We'd rather do x, than y or z." z being personal instances.

They want people seeing and interacting with each other naturally, so it's open world housing and not instanced.

Because of that, it necessitates limited housing. FFXIV and WoW both decided to go for that neighborhood, naturally meet and talk to other people goal, that come with the exact same problems. People wanted infinite, instanced housing for FFXIV but Yoshi P said no because he valued neighborhoods. Those were directly at odds with one another. WoW is taking the halfway approach of allowing groups of ppl to create instanced wards, but it doesn't mention that for individual players by themselves, which means, they deal with a housing system similar to FFXIV. For them not to have the same problems, they're going to have to renig on some of these promises or goals.

"If you've seen people quitting in this game, you will see that sometimes it's because they lost their decorated house."
They lost their decorate house because they never went inside or quit the game temporarily already. If you only played the game for a house, that you didn't step inside of 45 days, there's something else majorly missing in that argument. You didn't want to play the game at all at that point in time, but tried to keep the house in case that ever changed in the future.

But WoW is essentially running a gamble that there's enough instanced wards of FC's/Linkshells ppl (imagine Island Sanctuary but a housing ward) to where the normal, public wards for individuals aren't swarmed out like FFXIV. If they do get swarmed out, it's over. It's gonna be a bigger mess than FFXIV housing is and they're gonna have to add the same features.

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You can make entire private neighborhoods/wards too. That means the system is going to be effectively infinite. There have been games that have done something similar before. Wildstar comes to mind.

I suspect they're designing the system in a way that actually makes sense and are scaling the number of instances/wards automatically when they fill up. FFXIV could've done this years ago but has chosen to only increase housing capacity once a year or so.

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You can make entire private neighborhoods/wards too. That means the system is going to be effectively infinite.

I suspect they're designing the system in a way that actually makes sense and are scaling the number of instances/wards automatically when they fill up. FFXIV could've done this years ago but has chosen to only increase housing capacity once a year or so.

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Can you cite where they stated that because I'm going off of:

Private Neighborhoods created by groups of friends or guilds to inhabit, progress, and customize together.
So, while an individual player can have a house, a community can have a Neighborhood!

This sounds like it's only infinite if it's a group of players that are fine being isolated. But any individual players will not be able to use this feature at all.

XIV's housing system is so rediculously dogshit, I cant believe people unironically defend it.

That's nice. WoW already did their first attempt at housing with garrisons, and that was an absolute disaster. They can keep their toxic playerbase while I have fun over here :)

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XIV's housing system is so rediculously dogshit, I cant believe people unironically defend it.

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if you wanna see some crazy shit, go to the housing forums and watch these guys trip over themselves to defend the absolute state of housing in xiv.

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XIV's housing system is so rediculously dogshit, I cant believe people unironically defend it.

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It's only trash because they have the goal of having open world housing, which is the same goal WoW just stated. Only difference is that WoW is undoing a decade of fixes made as part of listening to housing feedback for some reason and thinking closed off/private housing for groups only is enough to fix the problem they're about to create. Other MMO's don't have that goal so they don't have housing problems and can just spawn infinite housing for everyone. Yoshi P hasn't budged on wanting a neighborhood feel in 5+ years, so I doubt Blizzard is gonna budge either since at least historically they listen even less to the playerbase than he does.

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It's gonna be a bigger mess than FFXIV housing is and they're gonna have to add the same features.

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Blizzard has far better engineers than SE.

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Blizzard has far better engineers than SE.

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Engineers don't get to circumvent logic limitations.
- EX: FFXIV had a demolition system.
- That demoltion can either allow you to purchase a house immediately, or it can after a given time period. (logic restraint)
- If you allow players to purchase it immediately, it leads to RMT housing and house-reselling. (not possible to avoid as even if you forced a specific demo timer instead of allowing the player to choose, it would be a courtesy to tell said player when their time has expired. even if you don't tell exactly when, a person who purchased it will know to camp that specific location as opposed to checking for others and will still immediately snatch it given the previous condition so all devs can do is make it annoying, but not impossible.)
- If you don't allow players to purchase it and set a time limit before purchase, that time period can either be known or not known (logic restraint)
- If that time period is known, you create a bum rush of 100+ players clicking a UI with the fastest PC's/internets/macros/most accounts having an advantage during that exact time period. (most accounts being a worse issue for blizzard since they want to have lower purchase requirements than FFXIV)
- If that time period is not known, you create the placard clicking system that already existed that had people guessing and trying for hours.
- If you want to avoid unnecessary unfair advantages, housing barrages, or placard clicking wars, the only option is leisure entry which is lottery.

Some problems only have 1 type of solution because they necessitate other problems/situations. Given the same priorities, the final decision will be exactly the same. If WoW ever has a demolition system, it will necessitate taking the same path as FFXIV because the playerbase will treat it the exact same way. If they don't create a demolition system, then they deal with what we deal with auto-demo is suspended, and every house on every world is filled and people complain still. No engineer will circumvent the hardware limitation of open world housing not being infinite either. That's an industry restriction that's never been solved.

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Engineers don't get to circumvent logic limitations.
- FFXIV had a demolition system.
- That demoltion can either allow you to purchase a house immediately, or it can after a given time period. (logic restraint)
- If you allow players to purchase it immediately, it leads to RMT housing and house-reselling. (not possible to avoid as even if you forced a specific demo timer instead of allowing the player to choose, it would be a courtesy to tell said player when their time has expired. even if you don't tell exactly when, a person who purchased it will know to camp that specific location as opposed to checking for others and will still immediately snatch it given the previous condition so all devs can do is make it annoying, but not impossible.)
- If you don't allow players to purchase it and set a time limit before purchase, that time period can either be known or not known (logic restraint)
- If that time period is known, you create a bum rush of 100+ players clicking a UI with the fastest PC's/internets/macros/most accounts having an advantage during that exact time period. (most accounts being a worse issue for blizzard since they want to have lower purchase requirements than FFXIV)
- If that time period is not known, you create the placard clicking system that already existed that had people guessing and trying for hours.
- If you want to avoid unnecessary unfair advantages, housing barrages, or placard clicking wars, the only option is leisure entry which is lottery.

Some problems only have 1 type of solution because they necessitate other problems/situations. Given the same priorities, the final decision will be exactly the same.

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Dear SE employee desperately trying to defend your dinosaur age system:

You are grasping at straws, hysterically trying to sell people an excuse why WoW would suffer the same fate when half the point of WoW's system is that it's infinitely scaleable and therefore no one is going to bother RMTing the wards.

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Dear SE employee desperately trying to defend your dinosaur age system:

You are grasping at straws, hysterically trying to sell people an excuse why WoW would suffer the same fate when half the point of WoW's system is that it's infinitely scaleable and therefore no one is going to bother RMTing the wards.

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Oh, please do explain to me how WoW could host, mmm, let's say 500,000 neighborhoods/wards of 50 plots in open world since it's infinite. Please walk me through the hardware requirements they'd need and the infinitely growing map and or UI to search through 500,000 wards?

I have had 3 houses on balmung no issues getting a new one each time I lost it.
My hubby lost one and got a new one aswel.

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Oh, please do explain to me how WoW could host, mmm, let's say 500,000 neighborhoods/wards of 50 plots in open world since it's infinite. Please walk me through the hardware requirements they'd need and the infinitely growing map and or UI to search through 500,000 wards?

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I understand dynamic loading is too hard for an SE employee to implement.

Also, a huge part of your argument is that no one has done it before, but Blizzard's engineers literally made numerous breakthroughs in their heyday. They've literally done things that were deemed technical infeasibilities.

Apparently to Sqaure Enix employees though, if it has never been done before it will forever stay impossible. Such reflects their skill.

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I understand dynamic loading is too hard for an SE employee to implement.

Also, a huge part of your argument is that no one has done it before, but Blizzard's engineers literally made numerous breakthroughs in their heyday. They've literally done things that were deemed technical infeasibilities.

Apparently to Sqaure Enix employees though, if it has never been done before it will forever stay impossible. Such reflects their skill.

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So we're just gonna reduce map design, immersion, and QoL functionality down to just 'does it load'? lol
WoW hasn't made a breakthrough in:
- dealing with RMT bots in general
- having a GM team that actually works to customer satisfaction
- job balance design
- having a healthy relationship with 3rd party software
- healthy QoL in the workplace
- not having cashgrabs in the store
- handling wintrading in pvp

need I continue on the list of failures that are industry wide problems that Blizzard has failed on as well for decades.

Not sure why we are making it sound impossible, it's definitely possible it's just challenging due the situation. Many companies handle massively more data in massively more dynamic situations (they are also paid to do that, and that's where the challenge here is just to make sure it works smoothly without being a huge resource hog).


Anyone suggesting it's a technical impossibility doesn't know all the wild crap that already goes on for our infrastructure.. to say doing it light weight, quickly, and safely is easy would be likely untrue though. 500,000 is chump change for some companies.


All that aside, I still prefer instances personal housing though. Perhaps a few dedicated wards for those who willingly enter the system (so they can make RP wards). So, like wild star lol.

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So we're just gonna reduce map design, immersion, and QoL functionality down to just 'does it load'? lol
WoW hasn't made a breakthrough in:
- dealing with RMT bots in general
- having a GM team that actually works to customer satisfaction
- job balance design
- having a healthy relationship with 3rd party software
- healthy QoL in the workplace
- not having cashgrabs in the store
- handling wintrading in pvp

need I continue on the list of failures that are industry wide problems that Blizzard has failed on as well for decades.

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WoW has tackled most of those problems well, and of those they haven't they've had better responses to them than FFXIV.

-RMT bots aren't nearly as common over in WoW, whereas in FFXIV every marketboard or and player hub will constantly be spammed with RMT ads in say, not to mention the endless swarms of lalafell archer/bard bots literally clipping through the ground and flying through the air.

-The GM team works pretty well in my experience in WoW, they've resolved issues I'd had when a bug cropped up in old quests in zones I was trying to complete. There are much more QoL features that are baseline in WoW such as being able to trade an item to another eligible player for the loot in a certain window of time, or being able to refund an item for its respective currency if desired. WoW also has an item restore that isn't limited to one item in your entire accounts' lifetime.

-Job balance? It's not perfect sure but healers are actually healers there, and a necessary role. Balancing is done more frequently too, even in PvP. If something like the PLD invulning/covering for a node capture, it would be fixed within the week. It took months for it to finally get noticed by CBU3 and do something about it.

-The addons in WoW supplement the game experience and they've made the base UI much more customizable to even without having to resort to addons. For the RP community the TRP/MRP roleplay-focused stuff is great for filling out a character profile, best FFXIV has in that department is an RP tag and a few sentences in your search info.

-Not sure what you meant by that point

-FFXIV has a cash shop that rivals f2p games in scale, and as I've said frequently in my previous posts it gets priority treatment with the dual dye channel implementation.

-From what I understand its dealt with though they havent resorted to gutting unique ranked pvp rewards like FFXIV has.

Good for them. We'll never see such a thing implemented here, though.

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let's say 500,000 neighborhoods/wards of 50 plots in open world since it's infinite. Please walk me through the hardware requirements they'd need and the infinitely growing map and or UI to search through 500,000 wards?

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Firstly, each ward is a "server program". To understand what a server program is... type in your windows search bar "cmd" and open the Command Prompt. That's what a server looks like.

Secondly, seeing as I have run game servers before, I can confidently say there isn't usually much overhead... to such a point, you can run multiple of them. In fact, SE does run multiple of them - they run 12 wards on a single physical machine, alongside several other zones and MSQ instances. We know this from their hardware failure reports where they reveal which zones were on that physical machine.

But you know what? Modern hardware is so good in 2025 that they could probably run a lot more server programs than they currently are on the same machine. Unless the server is hogging resources it shouldn't be (wouldn't surprise me, because it's SE), they could probably run hundreds of wards on one machine.

But anyway, SE has all these machines (yes, this is a picture of SE's machines and yes, each one of those cabinets contains hundreds of motherboards):
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/3b9...5a9d7a14_1.jpg

Based on the recent Ramuh hardware report, they had 36 server programs running on one machine. So to run 500,000 wards, they'd need 2 server programs each (ward server, and private room server), making for a total of 1,000,000 server programs. Thus, they'd need 27,777 physical machines. However:

• The "30,000,000 adventurers" wouldn't all get a house. Many of them are bots or don't get beyond the first quests or are alts.
• Nobody is saying to have unlimited scaling wards. They are saying to have unlimited scaling instances.
• Instances are "freed" when not in use, allowing someone else to use them. This makes it scalable without needing to run 27,777 physical machines. Instead, you'd only need, say, 111 machine to account for up to 2 million active players spreading their activity through the week, leaving only 10% of them using their house at a time. And we don't even seem to have 2 million right now (more like half that) so we'd get away with 55 house instance machines.

Again this is assuming 36 server programs is even their limit and did I forgot to mention that the server programs themselves could just be made to handle even more instances per program, taking advantage of modern hardware and multi-threading.

WoW's new player housing looks really cool so far, whether it actually ends up being good (Which I hope it does) remains to be seen. If it turns out well, it could provide some inspiration (And motivation!) for SE to fix FFXIV's housing system.

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- RMT bots -> youtube search "The WoW Botting Situation is Actually Insane..." and "Exposing the Botting Mafia in World of Warcraft" by MetaGoblin. FF14 had like 10k RMT related bans per week back in dec 2023 while I'm seeing 270k for the same month for WoW from a community manager post. Having 6x the ban count for the same month is telling.

- It's the same GM limitations and expectations as other games when you watch interviews from ex-staff. Graded on ticket volume handled by hour and heavily discouraged or fired for handling situations you personally want to but aren't efficient toward ticket volume such as one guy who got fired trying to track down accounts that had been stolen and the transfer of funds path to shut down the operation instead of doing harassment tickets etc. They aren't allowed to show up in-game randomly anymore except for under specific guidelines which is why open world bots that are obvious plague both games. Blizzard's ToS is poorly written and nowhere near as detailed as ff14's. And I'll take the in-game restraining orders over extra item restores.

- DPS gaps aren't as close as ff14, and healers being mandatory is never a thing for casual content in any mmo, it's always a discussion of how hard into higher content you have to go before it's actually mandatory. There's always classes with shields and heals that are tank or dps that don't need healers at all until a certain threshold.

- That's speaking about how it makes it better, not speaking about every addon that ruins the game and created development challenges as a problem because of it. I don't care about the shaders and body m*ds and timers and ui qol ff14 3rd party software has either, it's the automated rotations, automated callouts, aoe showage, teleport hacking, PoV shifting, party finder requirements, privacy violating, sometimes illegal content producing, things that I'm talking about. You don't have a healthy relationship with 3rd party software if it's something new players complain about that isolated your playerbase, harmed users, and interrupted/changed the developer content design direction that's frustrating to them.

- check date of the video and comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHgKhpcnzr0

Also don't know how you define unique ranked pvp rewards because there are titles, adventure plate packs, and weapon glam rewards for high ranked pvp. I'm assuming you mean glams like some people wanted to come back, or if you mean changing rewards with each season.

I'm sure SE will respond to this in a timely manner

...and somehow that response will include releasing another piece of content aimed at raiders

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Blizzard has far better engineers than SE.

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Blizzard's engineers and SE's engineers are good in different ways. Blizzard's Engineers seem to be better at trying new things and fixing problems, often in creative ways, but WoW is often messy and unstable following a major content patch release. Square-Enix's engineers seem more rigid and stuck in their old ways, not able to innovate as much as Blizzard, but FFXIV seems more stable, that is, it doesn't glitch out or act weird or have as many disconnects as WoW after a content patch.

The Japanese engineering mentality versus the Western engineering mentality also seems to extend to cars. Established Japanese brands like Toyota, Honda, and Subaru aren't exactly known for their cutting-edge innovation, but they are affordable and some of the safest and most reliable cars in the world, whereas Western brands like Tesla or Mercedes-Benz are often full of fancy gizmos, but are expensive and notoriously prone to breakage, requiring frequent, costly repairs. (Full disclosure: My car is a Subaru.)

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Nobody is saying to have unlimited scaling wards. They are saying to have unlimited scaling instances.

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I'm not discussing unlimited scaling instances until WoW says that they're allowing it for personal use. Every sentence I saw was referring to a group requirement that I'm assuming is going to be the equivalent of signing up as an existing FC or getting enough signatures on petition from your friend list or something similar before you get access to that private instance. People were discussing venues and other community events that might come up because of housing, and from a community event/venue owner PoV, they're not going to use private instances because of the mssive headache and likely limitations that would exist. Because you're not in the public open world, that requires funneling all guests through whatever invitation methodology is decided on such as adding by name into a UI or being a friend or something else. Being able to hop from location to location is also extremely annoying when you have permissions to get through. Not to mention if there's a limitation to that invitation method that requires adding and deleting people throughout the night. That crowd is much more likely to use the open world housing option that exists. For the people actually looking to use the equivalent of Island Sanctuary wards, I'm viewing as either closed off immersive roleplay groups and selective FC's because it's only for members and likely their direct friend list for access, but not related parties. Not to mention that that FC can have, let's say 100 members, but only 50 plots that FC can spawn. 50 people still don't have houses, and that's assuming the 50 that do get plots use them for personal use and not FC functionality. The idea I'm pointing at being that even if an FC gets a private ward, there's a high chance people will double up if they're allowed to like on ff14. If they don't have instanced personal housing, I'm pretty sure there's a high chance of them being scuffed with demand because the instanced housing is functionally irrelevant toward taking away demand from public land.

I will just say the same I said last time this was brought up: I don't play WoW, I never played WoW, I will never play WoW, this has nothing to do with tribalism, or even any of WoW... staff issues, but rather a very simple if silly one: I think WoW art style is horrid and I need to feel comfortable in my digital skin, but a very simple one: Competition in any market is good.

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Housing is the only way SE can hold hostage subs. They're never going to give that up.

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Tiny Indie Company. Please understand.

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I am really looking forward to WoW housing as it seems like its going to be a better system than XIV or ESO. I never played WoW until DT dropped and boy oh boy has it been an amazing experience. The players, even the randos I get in dungeon finder, who have such a bad rep have been amazing, helpful and not even close to the monsters I expected fron all the stories you read online. SE really needs to step up after TWW and what it looks like is coming down the pipeline.

As someone who has been very loyal to SE, from FFXI through FFXIV, I never even imagined myself playing WoW at all, and now I am on the brink of cancelling my XIV sub and full timing it. Even my spouse said they wanted to take my temp and make sure I was ok when I was talking about it over dinner lol.

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I had a very similair experience. Played Dragonflight near the end of Endwalker and had an immensely enjoyable time with both the game and its community. Maybe I got lucky but the community is not nearly as bad as people say. I look forward to this new housing system they are implementing.

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So we're just gonna reduce map design, immersion, and QoL functionality down to just 'does it load'? lol
WoW hasn't made a breakthrough in:
- dealing with RMT bots in general
- having a GM team that actually works to customer satisfaction
- job balance design
- having a healthy relationship with 3rd party software
- healthy QoL in the workplace
- not having cashgrabs in the store
- handling wintrading in pvp

need I continue on the list of failures that are industry wide problems that Blizzard has failed on as well for decades.

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I have no stake in either side of this argument, but I just want to mention that half the things you mention, ffxiv suffers from as well.

- GM's only tackle simple issues like communication abuse, as soon as something like cheating or wintrading is involved then the issue becomes too complicated for them and the perpertrators never get punished.
- The job balance is better but it came at a cost, job identity. Whether this is a good thing or not is up to personal interpretation.
- SE's relationship with third party software is more clear, but again the GM team does not do anything when addons are used for cheating because they only deal with communication abuse.

If you want proof for my GM claims, talk to anyone within the ffxiv pvp community. There have been numerous wintrading incidents where the players got mass reported, but their rewards did not get taken away nor did any of the perpetrators get banned. There is an unreal amount of receipts for these incidents.

Island Sanctuary and Apartments prove that this is possible to exist in the game, the only reason they dont is either Laziness or they like it as a Sub enforcer.

Edit because I quoted the wrong person

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So we're just gonna reduce map design, immersion, and QoL functionality down to just 'does it load'? lol
WoW hasn't made a breakthrough in:
- dealing with RMT bots in general
- having a GM team that actually works to customer satisfaction
- job balance design
- having a healthy relationship with 3rd party software
- healthy QoL in the workplace
- not having cashgrabs in the store
- handling wintrading in pvp

need I continue on the list of failures that are industry wide problems that Blizzard has failed on as well for decades.

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Neither has FFXIV, very far from that. Considering you and your army of alts are on Dynamis, you should know better.

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Neither has FFXIV, very far from that.

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Neither has FFXIV, very far from that.

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Neither has FFXIV, very far from that.

Good for WoW. I hope it's good.

I mean I honestly don't really know what else to say to this. The jabs at FFXIV are funny because they are rooted in some truth, but they aren't going to really do anything to get Yoshi-P and the devs to fix the housing issues in FFXIV itself. Like sure I know we're getting the interior update and a few other small housing things this expansion, but seeing what WoW plans to do with their own housing won't really get the FFXIV dev team kicking it into high gear when it comes to their own housing issues in-game. Hope WoW's announcement will actually lead to something, but I don't really see it happening in the games' current state.

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I have no stake in either side of this argument, but I just want to mention that half the things you mention, ffxiv suffers from as well.

- GM's only tackle simple issues like communication abuse, as soon as something like cheating or wintrading is involved then the issue becomes too complicated for them and the perpertrators never get punished.
- The job balance is better but it came at a cost, job identity. Whether this is a good thing or not is up to personal interpretation.
- SE's relationship with third party software is more clear, but again the GM team does not do anything when addons are used for cheating because they only deal with communication abuse.

If you want proof for my GM claims, talk to anyone within the ffxiv pvp community. There have been numerous wintrading incidents where the players got mass reported, but their rewards did not get taken away nor did any of the perpetrators get banned. There is an unreal amount of receipts for these incidents.

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Indeed to all comments. Actually funny how people can get caught using 3rd party software in ultimate raids and have their weapon stripped, but if you wintrade rank 1, you keep your rewards and only have a 10 day suspension at worst.

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I think you missed the point. That was the argument. What you're stating is what I already implied/said. It was the idea that these things are often industry wide problems that everyone deals with. Blizzard having better staff doesn't mean they can fix any and every problem that could come up.

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Unless the server is hogging resources it shouldn't be (wouldn't surprise me, because it's SE), they could probably run hundreds of wards on one machine.

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Considering how bloated their item database system supposedly is (the reason why they have so many issues with expanding the glamour dresser) I would not be surprised if the housing wards and interior instances use way more resources than they really should.

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Amazing. Imagine a housing system that doesn't literally hold its player's subs hostage. Couldn't be Square.

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If you cannot quit because you cling to your house, then that's on you.
Square thanks you for the free money you pay just to keep it instead of playing their game.

My personal stance on housing in FF14 is a very simple one: there is no housing in FF14.

I played Rift for years, and they had a very good housing concept. You bought a dimensional key for a specific location in the game world, and the game created a copy of this place for you as your private personal space. There were hundreds of keys in the game, varying from a small cave with a little hut, up to a giant volcanic crater. In edit mode you could fly around, and place your stuff at any location you wanted - basically a 3D designer mode to create your very personal dream castle, or whatever you desired. People did wonders in these places!

But FF14? A lottery? To rent a little house which you can barely modify at all? And which you loose if you do not port there every other day? lol

I have seen what can be done when housing is done properly, and thus... there is no housing in FF14. Rift is dead now, but if WoW does a better job (which I very much doubt), then maybe this might also help SE to understand that it's 2025, and their housing concept is just a laughing stock.

People give the WoW guys way too much credit here.
They are notorious to making a good first impression to hype it up, but botch the landing badly.

Keep your expectations grounded and wait until the whole picture is visible.

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

So we're just gonna reduce map design, immersion, and QoL functionality down to just 'does it load'? lol
WoW hasn't made a breakthrough in:
- dealing with RMT bots in general
- having a GM team that actually works to customer satisfaction
- job balance design
- having a healthy relationship with 3rd party software
- healthy QoL in the workplace
- not having cashgrabs in the store
- handling wintrading in pvp

need I continue on the list of failures that are industry wide problems that Blizzard has failed on as well for decades.

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WoW isn't perfect, far from it, but FFXIV does worse in every regard here:
- XIV is littered with RMT adverts and bots playing from under the map
- Both games have pretty poor GM teams and there's barely any real interactions with a real person
- Class/job balance might suck in both games but also everything is viable at the level most play it, this is entirely a community perception problem
- Square Enix have a piss poor relationship with third party software that causes many moderation issues and while I'm not a fan of certain WoW addons, at least Blizzard can moderate what happens in that space
- Is the workplace really a customers concern? Even if so, Japanese working culture is awful
- XIV has a more egregious cash store than WoW
- Win trading is far more prevalent in XIV PvP which is otherwise dead content that doesn't need to be respected

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Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus

So we're just gonna reduce map design, immersion, and QoL functionality down to just 'does it load'? lol
WoW hasn't made a breakthrough in:
- dealing with RMT bots in general
- having a GM team that actually works to customer satisfaction
- job balance design
- having a healthy relationship with 3rd party software
- healthy QoL in the workplace
- not having cashgrabs in the store
- handling wintrading in pvp

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Other then the QoL in the workplace FFXIV is not better of in any of the points you mentioned.