Summoner 7.0 Wishlist

Well we have to remember that we have a new caster coming in 7.0. Actually when we find out if it will be a selfish caster like BLM or a support caster like RDM is when we will know where summoner will go for 7.0. Like the healers we will have 2 support casters and 2 selfish dps casters.

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Originally Posted by Ggwppino

That this ress would be in a burst phase and would have the same design problem as EF has from shB where it is a highly situational heal usability due to the very limited time window and rotation rigidity that forces this window to be at 2 minute intervals.

At this point it would be better to just remove it, rather than worry about having a ress every 2 minutes and within 15 seconds people have to die


Different if phoenix became a lego summon. However, this would take away from the player's thoughts whether or not it is better to use the ress, wasting a gcd in burst. It would make an already very simple job even easier

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They should simply grant the choice between Bahamut and Phoenix every 60 seconds, and adapt the concept of PvP (Bahamut 1.5s/cast) and more firepower, and Phoenix instant/cast and support-oriented less firepower.

This way, they could simply provide a stack of resurrection with each pheonix summon and add a small regeneration or shield to the team.

Already, if it's a possibility every 60 seconds, it will have more impact than once every 120 seconds without the option to choose.

it would add a strategic aspect to the summoner – a choice between hitting harder with more risk or healing and having the ability to resurrect and instant cast.


It would certainly significantly reduce the use of Phoenix after the prog, but considering that Phoenix is already a reskin of Bahamut, it makes sense to make it more situational and give it a real support-oriented value.

Currently, it's just a Bahamut reskin that can't afford to be weaker for obvious reasons, as it's not a choice and its use is mandatory.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

we find out if it will be a selfish caster like BLM or a support caster like RDM

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We find out if it will be a caster lol

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Originally Posted by remiff

They should simply grant the choice between Bahamut and Phoenix every 60 seconds, and adapt the concept of PvP (Bahamut 1.5s/cast) and more firepower, and Phoenix instant/cast and support-oriented less firepower.

This way, they could simply provide a stack of resurrection with each pheonix summon and add a small regeneration or shield to the team.

Already, if it's a possibility every 60 seconds, it will have more impact than once every 120 seconds without the option to choose.

it would add a strategic aspect to the summoner – a choice between hitting harder with more risk or healing and having the ability to resurrect and instant cast.


It would certainly significantly reduce the use of Phoenix after the prog, but considering that Phoenix is already a reskin of Bahamut, it makes sense to make it more situational and give it a real support-oriented value.

Currently, it's just a Bahamut reskin that can't afford to be weaker for obvious reasons, as it's not a choice and its use is mandatory.

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This is already different and complex than "having resurrection on phoenix" and already much, much more sensible.

I am always convinced that having the phoenix as an option in Bahamut works very well in PVP because you find yourself in situations where to repel enemies you also need to have support that does damage when the support itself is few or not present in that situation.
In pve, in my opinion, it wouldn't work as well as in pvp because it is more based on the DPS check race but also because they are highly predictable fights and damage occurs in certain time windows and not constantly. Also going into burst with phoenix would be more of an "I expect someone will die" and not to be ready to use. But it certainly makes much more sense than putting the ress exclusively during phoenix.

Let non Summoners turn your dumb pets off with an easily accessible toggle.

Delete demis on both smn and sch. They are stupid and keep breaking the pet ai.

Get rid of the gem stuff. Instead at the start of combat you get x casts of each primal, with weaker ones affording you more. The true ff summoner experience. The rotation will be spam bahamut while raid buffs are up, use your judgement to gauge what you can afford to burn between buff windows based on how many spell slots you have left and how fast the boss is dying. There will also be a degree of rationing bahamut/phoenix in longer fights. Won’t that be fun™ and engaging combat™? Ruin, energy drain etc are all deleted too, after all true™ and real™ summoners don’t do anything but drop a lardarse monster on the other team and wear an oddly phallic hat.

To accommodate the inherently bad, the total potency difference between the optimal rotation and fully random button presses should be no more that 5.

To allow the summoner full enjoyment of the animations- if for some reason they play with them on - all summons will have a 10s animation and recast. There will be no oGCDs either, after all the true™ summoner is from a turn based game and oGCDs are against the spirit of things. To compensate, perhaps the summoner could have a more involved cutscene with each cast, similar to the shinryu flying about qte. Of course they’d still have to do mechanics so the arena should be visible in a corner in a non-intrusive way.

Carbuncle will have to go of course. Chocobo, shiva, ramuh, ifrit, titan, odin, leviathan, bahamut only.
In keeping with the job as it stands, all 8 slots will be unlocked at 50 and every 10 levels following the number of allowed casts will simply be adjusted.

Summoner books are all now recoloured white mage weapons, scholar can have the models if it likes.

I can see no future in which this is not the most successful™ and adored iteration. After all it is the true™ summoner fantasy™ that everyone™ has been asking for for 10 years.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

Well we have to remember that we have a new caster coming in 7.0. Actually when we find out if it will be a selfish caster like BLM or a support caster like RDM is when we will know where summoner will go for 7.0. Like the healers we will have 2 support casters and 2 selfish dps casters.

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It's going to be unbelievably asinine if the Summoner job, which has had versatile support skills in most of the FF games it has appeared in, gets stripped down to a selfish DPS so Geomancer or Pictomancer or whatever spangly new caster they pull out of their butts can take its support-caster niche.

But it's not a foregone conclusion. We have five melee jobs and only one is selfish even though they had the option to add another when they added Reaper.

I may be completely wrong, but I have a feeling the new ‘Ranged’ is going be a caster job that completely revived the old-SMN DoT playstyle. Revolving around managing and interacting with DoTs, skills that get stronger based on dots applied etc.

It’d fill both the niche old SMN left behind, and it would address the fact that currently no DoT dps job exists in game, besides maybe Bard at a stretch.

Plus, it means people who preferred the old SMN still have something to go to for the same playstyle. While I personally prefer the current iteration of Summoner as a ‘foundation’ for what the job should be, I enjoyed the old Summoner as well, and it does feel unfair that the playstyle literally doesn’t exist anymore

A dot job would be cool, I don't think it will happen with how anti dot they have been recently but I would be glad to be proven wrong ... something like a Time Mage or even a Chemist that uses poisons.

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Originally Posted by Connor

I may be completely wrong, but I have a feeling the new ‘Ranged’ is going be a caster job that completely revived the old-SMN DoT playstyle. Revolving around managing and interacting with DoTs, skills that get stronger based on dots applied etc.

It’d fill both the niche old SMN left behind, and it would address the fact that currently no DoT dps job exists in game, besides maybe Bard at a stretch.

Plus, it means people who preferred the old SMN still have something to go to for the same playstyle. While I personally prefer the current iteration of Summoner as a ‘foundation’ for what the job should be, I enjoyed the old Summoner as well, and it does feel unfair that the playstyle literally doesn’t exist anymore

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Im in love with all old smn iterations, and on paper this one wasn't bad either. But then they decided to make a physranged with less stuff and the core based on 1 button spam.


If the new caster has about the same feel as the old smn and they keep the smn as is with some more vfx, I will definitely go for the other one. Otherwise if the new caster is like all the new dps which are half jobs and the smn remains unchanged with a few more vfx I will abandon ff14 and finally go to the gym lol.

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Originally Posted by Connor

I may be completely wrong, but I have a feeling the new ‘Ranged’ is going be a caster job that completely revived the old-SMN DoT playstyle. Revolving around managing and interacting with DoTs, skills that get stronger based on dots applied etc.

It’d fill both the niche old SMN left behind, and it would address the fact that currently no DoT dps job exists in game, besides maybe Bard at a stretch.

Plus, it means people who preferred the old SMN still have something to go to for the same playstyle. While I personally prefer the current iteration of Summoner as a ‘foundation’ for what the job should be, I enjoyed the old Summoner as well, and it does feel unfair that the playstyle literally doesn’t exist anymore

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i hope not, just give old smn back to the ppl that mained it and make the new job this braindead 1 button spammer.

Overhaul is needed.

I like the use of gemstones on the bar, keep that but include extra gems/egi assault skills for the Leviathan/Ramuh and maybe Bismarck too etc.

They should make new animations so that the Ruin 1/2/3 and Outburst/Brilliance attacks have magic effects that shoot out of your characters hand and not the book, which should be held in the opposite hand and away from the visual attack effect. The book needs to become somewhat the equivalent of the red mage's crystal focus, not a weapon itself. Ruin IV's and Painflaire's effects are fine though- it's about balance and having a spectrum of effects.

The auto attack should become a ranged zoosh of some kind- and make it a strong green seeing as the game doesn't have anything like that yet.

Summoner could use a teleport of some kind too. Make it work like Ninja's Shukuchis so you can choose how far to teleport. Reaper has a floating portal, ninja goes whoosh, BLM goes blerrr, Dragoon goes Fushhh with it's backflip, so summoner could bloop down into the ground and pop up at the chosen spot or something, or something similar to a teleport effect seen in the level 87 dungeon.

Make egi use tactical again and bring back the egi assault skills (including Titans shield exactly as it was). OR perhaps overhaul all the existing egis skills and they way they work, allowing you to also set and choose which egi is for what attack/strength, so someone can use an all-ifrit setup if they wanted to- the damage would be the same (this would require removing gem/aspects from attack names but is doable).

- Physic scale with INT. It's stupid this hasn't happened yet. In a game with Vercure, Physic being as 3/4ths as effective as WHM Cure 1 isn't going to be OP.
- Carbuncle have a SCH Ruin 2 to cast for chip damage (something that doesn't have to deal with animation lock or etc but is doing SOMETHING), could be coded as a GCD or an oGCD with a 3 sec CD, either way achieves the same result.
- Phoenix to generate Leviathan, Ramuh, and Shiva Primals instead. I don't even mind them having the same as Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda, just the animations and "complete set" would be cool.
- Possibly remove the Aetherflow stuff. It's vestigial and just nonsensical at this point. Make change Fester's name to something more SMN-y and give it and Painflare 2 charges with a 30 sec CD. Have Ruin IV generate from using Demis. Done.
- Do NOT, under any circumstances, remove Resurrection.

I think that's it, honestly. SMN is almost perfect as it is right now.

EDIT: Oh, one more thing:

- Give lower levels of Astral Flow so that we have that earlier. For EW it was "the new thing", but it would honestly be cool to have that by level 50 at the latest. It feels weird to not have, for example, the Titan 1-2-1-2-1-2-1-2 punch. Just let us have a slightly more complete version of our rotation for leveling content. 50 at the latest since that's what a crap ton of ques land you in (MSQ, Alliance Raid, Normal Raid, 50/60/etc, and a lot of dungeons and raids and most Trials.)

You know what would be interesting? In the advent of the 3 other gemstones, at level 100, we'd get an action that unlocked a special board (out of combat) circular interface where you could change the placement of each gemstone and Demi. Unprecedent feature, and highly unlikely, but it would add some nice interactions in that you have specific setups for different fights.

More realistically, if there's one old thing that I really wish reworked is the aetherflow system of SMN, because it just feels like some awkward remnant of the old SMN that works... but feels out of place (Festering... what exactly, since there's no dots anymore?).

I think I'd go along with any idea, as long as it could be more cohese with the rest of the kit.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

You know what would be interesting? In the advent of the 3 other gemstones, at level 100, we'd get an action that unlocked a special board (out of combat) circular interface where you could change the placement of each gemstone and Demi. Unprecedent feature, and highly unlikely, but it would add some nice interactions in that you have specific setups for different fights.

More realistically, if there's one old thing that I really wish reworked is the aetherflow system of SMN, because it just feels like some awkward remnant of the old SMN that works... but feels out of place (Festering... what exactly, since there's no dots anymore?).

I think I'd go along with any idea, as long as it could be more cohese with the rest of the kit.

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You just described the eureka magia wheel

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Originally Posted by LoadedVirus

Any reason Slipstream needs to have a cast time? (I might just be picky)

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As a Red Mage, I will jump ass first into the aetherial sea and die if Summoner becomes even more mobile.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

You just described the eureka magia wheel

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Must be really reductive to say that I described the Magia Board lol. Maybe the shape and the fact that it has elements?

I really don't expect them to do anything more with SMN at this point other than to add new powers for the next level cap. It's honestly pretty well balanced for what it really is and does. I personally would probably like a little more complexity but that comes from having run the old SMN from it's 1st edition which was much more complicated than even the Stormblood version. Not necessarily because the current version sucks or anything. It really is a Final Fantasy SMN with a clear Identity now, that is right on the mark.

But there is one thing I might want, that would be to make the actual Summons more transparent during the Summon Portion. I personally think they are absolutely cool... but they do block the view for everyone else in Dungeons and Raids. So you kinda have to keep your distance so as not to hose up everyone else. They kinda blot out the sun at times. Small only works for you not everyone else. They're only there for a short time, but with as fast paced as some of the mechanics are getting they can get in the way.

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Originally Posted by Silverquick

But there is one thing I might want, that would be to make the actual Summons more transparent during the Summon Portion. I personally think they are absolutely cool... but they do block the view for everyone else in Dungeons and Raids. So you kinda have to keep your distance so as not to hose up everyone else. They kinda blot out the sun at times. Small only works for you not everyone else. They're only there for a short time, but with as fast paced as some of the mechanics are getting they can get in the way.

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One thing that helps with this is changing the summon size yourself (even if you're not the SMN), since it's client based. But there's another thing that would help this immensely and is glamouring them into their pre-90 iterations (egis or carbuncles) - I wish they would offer this possibility with the /petglamour command.

Revert to Stormblood with pet ghosting fixes.

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Originally Posted by Mecia

Revert to Stormblood with pet ghosting fixes.

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Literally impossible. Demisummoning is the root cause of all ghosting problems. No iteration of Summoner will ever exist without ghosting problems (including EW) without first scraping the demi mechanic.

Please give summoner kaiten. It’d be sooooo funny!

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Originally Posted by Flana

Literally impossible. Demisummoning is the root cause of all ghosting problems. No iteration of Summoner will ever exist without ghosting problems (including EW) without first scraping the demi mechanic.

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fix demisummoning, treating pet and demi as two different entities

I think we should just disappear like other FF games and just control the summon ourselves, don't even need to change the rotation.

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Originally Posted by Ggwppino

fix demisummoning, treating pet and demi as two different entities

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You cannot fix demisummoning. Ghosting is a result of the any pet entity that has a hard cutoff, and that is exactly what demisummoning does. It summons and then kills a new pet, causing a hard cutoff. You can still ghost gem summons because the pet has to spawn in, then attack, then despawn at a specific time. Even if carbuncle literally did not exist, you can still easily ghost an ability from the demi/gem summons because of the absurd animation delay on spawn in and their refusal to retarget if something dies (such as an add) before the ability/auto goes off.

You cannot seperate ghosting from the demisummon mechanic. It is an in-built feature, and somehow SquareEnix still hasn't figured that out yet.

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Originally Posted by Flana

You cannot fix demisummoning. Ghosting is a result of the any pet entity that has a hard cutoff, and that is exactly what demisummoning does. It summons and then kills a new pet, causing a hard cutoff. You can still ghost gem summons because the pet has to spawn in, then attack, then despawn at a specific time. Even if carbuncle literally did not exist, you can still easily ghost an ability from the demi/gem summons because of the absurd animation delay on spawn in and their refusal to retarget if something dies (such as an add) before the ability/auto goes off.

You cannot seperate ghosting from the demisummon mechanic. It is an in-built feature, and somehow SquareEnix still hasn't figured that out yet.

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I know it's a problem with Demis because they stick around for a while... but I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just convert the gemstone summons into animations rather than pet entity replacements? At the very least the carby would stick around for longer and the Radiant Aegis would be less unreliable.

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Originally Posted by Flana

You cannot fix demisummoning. Ghosting is a result of the any pet entity that has a hard cutoff, and that is exactly what demisummoning does. It summons and then kills a new pet, causing a hard cutoff. You can still ghost gem summons because the pet has to spawn in, then attack, then despawn at a specific time. Even if carbuncle literally did not exist, you can still easily ghost an ability from the demi/gem summons because of the absurd animation delay on spawn in and their refusal to retarget if something dies (such as an add) before the ability/auto goes off.

You cannot seperate ghosting from the demisummon mechanic. It is an in-built feature, and somehow SquareEnix still hasn't figured that out yet.

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Why not?
the elementals are one entity and the carbuncle is another entity. Physically in the game there could be 2 different objects. One for the carbuncle, one for the elemental.
It doesn't exist now, clearly, it needs to be implemented, but with my subscription money they could.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I know it's a problem with Demis because they stick around for a while... but I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just convert the gemstone summons into animations rather than pet entity replacements? At the very least the carby would stick around for longer and the Radiant Aegis would be less unreliable.

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Yes, this would fix the problem for gem summons (and rendering them no longer demi-summons). It's absurd SE even made them on the demi system in the first place given this godawful mechanic has been infesting Summoner for five years by then.

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Originally Posted by Ggwppino

Why not?
the elementals are one entity and the carbuncle is another entity. Physically in the game there could be 2 different objects. One for the carbuncle, one for the elemental.
It doesn't exist now, clearly, it needs to be implemented, but with my subscription money they could.

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You aren't understanding what the problem is. It's not because carbuncle exists. It wouldn't matter if you could have 2 pet entities active at a time, or if you deleted Carbuncle. Ghosting happens because a pet has a hard cut in its existence, which is how all demi/gem summons operate. They can only exist for a strict time period before dying, and any commands they have at that point are now lost.

I've lost banana/phoenix autos because it decided to walk 10 feet to me during a mechanic or because its current target died and it didn't relock until my next GCD. I've lost entire gem summons because the add in Hydaelyn died and the gem summon refused to relock onto the next one before despawning or gem summons in raids when the boss jumps and goes untargetable before the gem summon actually does it's attack well after you push the GCD. None of these have anything to do with Carbuncle.

Would making 2 pet entities make it easier to use Radiant Shield and stop carbuncle from ghosting? Yes.
Would it stop all ghosting from happening? No.

Ghosting is endemic to how Demi/Gem summons are designed. You cannot 'fix' it. Ghosting will always exist for as long as demisummon mechanic exists. You can see in my above reply the easiest way to prevent gem summons from ever having the ability to ghost is to... not make them work like demisummons. You can bend over backwards ripping out everythinig from Summoner to make it less likely to happen, but you can never fix it so that ghosting will not occur at some point.

Delete demisummoning. Replace it with something else that isn't infested with this problem.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I know it's a problem with Demis because they stick around for a while... but I wonder if it wouldn't be better to just convert the gemstone summons into animations rather than pet entity replacements? At the very least the carby would stick around for longer and the Radiant Aegis would be less unreliable.

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I can recall asking for that a long time ago, back in the day when they were still deciding on which direction to go with the Summoner. This is the system they apparently chose. They knew at the time they couldn't keep going with the Stormblood version because of all of the problems with both Egi controls, and Demis... I thought it would be the best way forward was just making them all animations.

But this is what they've chosen and I can't really complain... its just not quite what I imagined.

When I really look at SMN, the 86th level or therabouts where you get the additional powers instead of just spamming Ruin all the time is actually fun to play... but the levels between that can be a little boring just repeatedly spamming the same button, which is why I recommended a little change up in the earlier levels to add some complexity.

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Originally Posted by Flana

Yes, this would fix the problem for gem summons (and rendering them no longer demi-summons). It's absurd SE even made them on the demi system in the first place given this godawful mechanic has been infesting Summoner for five years by then.



You aren't understanding what the problem is. It's not because carbuncle exists. It wouldn't matter if you could have 2 pet entities active at a time, or if you deleted Carbuncle. Ghosting happens because a pet has a hard cut in its existence, which is how all demi/gem summons operate. They can only exist for a strict time period before dying, and any commands they have at that point are now lost.

I've lost banana/phoenix autos because it decided to walk 10 feet to me during a mechanic or because its current target died and it didn't relock until my next GCD. I've lost entire gem summons because the add in Hydaelyn died and the gem summon refused to relock onto the next one before despawning or gem summons in raids when the boss jumps and goes untargetable before the gem summon actually does it's attack well after you push the GCD. None of these have anything to do with Carbuncle.

Would making 2 pet entities make it easier to use Radiant Shield and stop carbuncle from ghosting? Yes.
Would it stop all ghosting from happening? No.

Ghosting is endemic to how Demi/Gem summons are designed. You cannot 'fix' it. Ghosting will always exist for as long as demisummon mechanic exists. You can see in my above reply the easiest way to prevent gem summons from ever having the ability to ghost is to... not make them work like demisummons. You can bend over backwards ripping out everythinig from Summoner to make it less likely to happen, but you can never fix it so that ghosting will not occur at some point.

Delete demisummoning. Replace it with something else that isn't infested with this problem.

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What you are describing is like entering OH or LotD at the wrong time.
If I summon phoenix when the boss is not targetable, the only one to blame is me. If I summon Ifrit right before the boss becomes untargetable, the only one to blame is me and next time I advance it by 1 GCD, even 2 (Because we are all aware that an elemental's attack takes about 2.5 seconds: it's like if it's casting the attack).

In shB/SB the ghosting was real because between the melee attacks that weren't insta cast for the pet, the autoattack that made all the commands slip and the transformation of the pet into Baha/Phoenix made everything unpredictable: absolutely a mess. Before SB the pet system works really fine. When they inserted a cut into the pet's flow causing it to transform, the mess started.
In this expansion to avoid this they made the carbuncle a dummy (Ironic, the smn had also been reworked to avoid this and instead it had just inherited it for the simple fact that the carbuncle disappears)

If you treat the carbuncle and the other summons as separate entities, ghosting due to rotation is impossible to happen, especially if you impose on elementals about 5 seconds of lock between one summon and another as happens now.
If the carbuncle were an entity in itself, it could have real support abilities or indirect attacks (such as dots to be placed on the ground like Garuda's), if the carbuncle were an entity in itself I could manage its position during the fight and position it at the better (it could have shields/heal aoe or single target, buff, rescue as a TP, dot or simply long-range instant attacks).

Demisummoning works well for elementals and bahamut/phoenix for the simple fact that they were designed to last a short time and with the addition of summon lock their presence is solid.
The carbuncle wasnt designed to last a short time and therefore should be freed from the rest of the summons as an entity in its own right.

Would love to see smn get Shiva, Ramuh, and Leviathan as part of an enhanced rotation. Also in FFXI smn avatars could "skillchain" with each other. Would be great to implement a feature like this, when two different primals combo'd off of each other.

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Originally Posted by Xiozen

Would love to see smn get Shiva, Ramuh, and Leviathan as part of an enhanced rotation. Also in FFXI smn avatars could "skillchain" with each other. Would be great to implement a feature like this, when two different primals combo'd off of each other.

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Or have the option to combine any 2 egis, similar to what is seen in that one ShB trial... that'd be awesome too.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Remove Physick and Resurrection from Summoner

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^ this.., so Smn dps can become comparable to mnks DPS again (let the new caster have rezes, healing & co.. , as Smn are ment to be "powerful"..)

Or just give Resurrection the gem-boon treatment. After you summoned Phoenix/Bahamut, it becomes instant cast but has a 60s cd.

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Originally Posted by Shiroe

^ this.., so Smn dps can become comparable to mnks DPS again (let the new caster have rezes, healing & co.. , as Smn are ment to be "powerful"..)

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Why would they do this?

Considering how many people already complain SMN is "too easy" to be "allowed" to do as much damage as it does, removing Raise and upping it to MNK or BLM levels of damage would cause an outrage.

Not to mention that the new Caster is brand new. It doesn't have years of people using it and having a combat Raise. Wouldn't it make more sense to just not give the new Caster a Raise and make it what you're asking for?

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

Remove Physick and Resurrection from Summoner

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Not no, but HELL no. Hard pass.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Why would they do this?

Considering how many people already complain SMN is "too easy" to be "allowed" to do as much damage as it does, removing Raise and upping it to MNK or BLM levels of damage would cause an outrage.

Not to mention that the new Caster is brand new. It doesn't have years of people using it and having a combat Raise. Wouldn't it make more sense to just not give the new Caster a Raise and make it what you're asking for?



Not no, but HELL no. Hard pass.

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I rarely agree with you, but in this case I think like you.
It must be said that the Square designers have little respect for the players, and given how they had the nerve to overturn a class that already existed with its own user base that found itself cornered without valid alternatives, they could do it again without feeling at all at fault.

I too would be sad to lose the ress, also because the smn in past expansions has not paid the ress tax too much, remaining rather consistent with the damage output of the blm, sometimes it has even been higher. This makes it clear that actually the ress of the smn was not considered very influential for the balance of the damage.

The ress is the only unknown that the smn has and which requires that it adapt and do a minimum of reasoning about which gcd to "sacrifice" and the swiftcast moved to realign.
It is a skill that amuses me and stimulates me for the few times I use it.

My Wishlist:
Make ifrit hit harder due hes only one with a cast time on his spell.
More Legos ( 2 mobile, 1 hard cast legos)
Make demi primal having the tank treament with the burst due sometime server tick can Vanish your last Astral Impulse and that sucks.
Make fester holding 2 stack as a ''Back Up'' so when you burst with raid buffs you can do it without double weaving.(If we still doing 2 mins raidbuff)
Add a new demi primal with a twist like you did the phoenix and bahamut.

It's pretty much same ish job and quality life change but with idea of hardcast spell you do more damage.

At this point, it's better to give 3 gems after Bahamut/Pheonix that can be spent on a choice of 6 elemental summons to truly introduce a strategic aspect.

You could have 3 high-risk summons that hit hard and 3 summons that hit less but offer increased mobility to bring a real strategic aspect to the summoner, which is currently lacking in its gameplay.

Garuda, Ramuh, Titan, "100% mobile." Ifrit, Shiva, Leviathan, "Various risk-taking," with gap closers,casts, and dashes out, etc...

They could also introduce various elemental combos between the summons to benefit from different effects based on the chosen combination:
stack of Ruin 4, damage over time on targets, personal buffs, charging a specific resource management that the Carbuncle will use by harnessing the aether from elemental combos, and more.

The summoner could be a lot of fun if they decide to add a little bit more buttons and depth to the gameplay and of course delete physick and other useless button.

They should also consider removing Energy Drain/Energy Siphon and replacing Aetherflow management by the new ressource management, and renaming Suppuration and painflare and transform it in 2-stack spells with shared cooldown like the redmage.

After accumulating the aether from 3 elementals summon, it unlocks access to Carbuncle's trance.
A Carbuncle ''OGCD'' appears and blesses the summoner with its aether accumulation, granting them 4 OGCD stacks that are on the same spell button.
The summoner has 30 seconds to use these 4 stacks, which can be used during Phoenix/Bahamut.

This also grants an automatic special attack to the next Bahamut/Phoenix, with Bahamut using "Megaflare" and Phoenix using "Flames of Unforgiveness."

It's done quickly with Paint, so don't blame me; I have no talent for using editing software xD.
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Originally Posted by Renathras

Why would they do this?

Considering how many people already complain SMN is "too easy" to be "allowed" to do as much damage as it does, removing Raise and upping it to MNK or BLM levels of damage would cause an outrage.

Not to mention that the new Caster is brand new. It doesn't have years of people using it and having a combat Raise. Wouldn't it make more sense to just not give the new Caster a Raise and make it what you're asking for?



Not no, but HELL no. Hard pass.

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I want their removal as a physick is useless after level 40/50 and b resurrection often isn't needed.

But i think regardless they should increase the job difficulty, by adding a lot more variance and cast times to the job alongside the new actions.

Summon bahamut and summon phoenix need to be separate buttons (like in PvP). Casting one would lock you out of it until you summoned both, but it would let you choose how they fall into the odd and even minutes of the fight.

Phoenix has very important healing utility, this would give you more control over when it shows up in a fight on top of rewarding knowledge of the encounter. If summoner is going to remain as simple to play as it is, this is the very least they can do - it's not like the job is hurting for hotbar space.

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Originally Posted by Myon88

Summon bahamut and summon phoenix need to be separate buttons (like in PvP). Casting one would lock you out of it until you summoned both, but it would let you choose how they fall into the odd and even minutes of the fight.

Phoenix has very important healing utility, this would give you more control over when it shows up in a fight on top of rewarding knowledge of the encounter. If summoner is going to remain as simple to play as it is, this is the very least they can do - it's not like the job is hurting for hotbar space.

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This would be a cool solution. I think they might save this one for another expansion, but they could make Bahamut give 1 'umbral aether' and Phoenix give 1 'astral aether', those would fuel a 3rd Demi to be used during the 2min marks. I suspect that the big feature for 7.0 will be a level 100 trait that will give new gems either after Phoenix, or a 'convert button' activated on demand.