No content for 1 year :)

While this down time does seem long, I do remember significant periods of dead time in this game before expansion launches. The fact of the matter is that no one can create content that lasts longer than it takes to develop it, unless maybe you design a limited currency that takes a few hours to generate and you must generate the max amount every day to be able to acquire gear you need to progress further, but that is a very undesirable system that ends up with a lot of player burnout. In the end this is more of a casual game and has made no attempt to persuade people otherwise, so I'm not sure why people seem to expect something from it that will consume every minute of their time.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

While this down time does seem long, I do remember significant periods of dead time in this game before expansion launches. The fact of the matter is that no one can create content that lasts longer than it takes to develop it, unless maybe you design a limited currency that takes a few hours to generate and you must generate the max amount every day to be able to acquire gear you need to progress further, but that is a very undesirable system that ends up with a lot of player burnout. In the end this is more of a casual game and has made no attempt to persuade people otherwise, so I'm not sure why people seem to expect something from it that will consume every minute of their time.

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Have you ever heard of optional content?

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Originally Posted by TheNight

Have you ever heard of optional content?

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There is a lot of it in XIV, a lot of it people never do and then complain about no content.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

There is a lot of it in XIV, a lot of it people never do and then complain about no content.

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True, I didnt fish 10 000 times for the achievement yet, that means there's content for me to do ! /s

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

There is a lot of it in XIV, a lot of it people never do and then complain about no content.

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Or they have been playing since ARR and already done all of said content. If you are one of those people, games basically in perpetual drought.

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Or they have been playing since ARR and already done all of said content. If you are one of those people, games basically in perpetual drought.

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So yes, if you have been playing this game for 10 years then you will certainly be caught up on everything you want to do. I find it unreasonable to expect a developer to produce enough content that will keep people logging in everyday or even every week to do something for 10 or more years.

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So yes, if you have been playing this game for 10 years then you will certainly be caught up on everything you want to do. I find it unreasonable to expect a developer to produce enough content that will keep people logging in everyday or even every week to do something for 10 or more years.

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Meanwhile I've been playing WoW on the regular, all caught up and everything, and there is still enough to keep me entertained every week. Mainly because of mythic plus.

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Meanwhile I've been playing WoW on the regular, all caught up and everything, and there is still enough to keep me entertained every week. Mainly because of mythic plus.

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So it's not new content you're doing but variations on difficulty of older content then. Also how long have you been playing WoW?

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So it's not new content you're doing but variations on difficulty of older content then. Also how long have you been playing WoW?

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I've played WoW since vanilla and FF14 since ARR. What I REALLY want from FF14 is content that has actual longevity to it. Bozja from last expansion fit the bill decently well, but Endwalker is sorely lacking.

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So yes, if you have been playing this game for 10 years then you will certainly be caught up on everything you want to do. I find it unreasonable to expect a developer to produce enough content that will keep people logging in everyday or even every week to do something for 10 or more years.

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So the game and developers shouldnt take veterans like us into account? The game for every expansion, every patch release must always be centred around new players? Many new players don't have great attention spans for games like this and that should not be catered to, I am fine with people leaving the game and quitting.

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Originally Posted by Zachia

Thought the last patch dropped in January, with the expansion releasing in summer... meaning about six months which is a half a year and not a whole year.

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6.5 will have a week worth of content at best, unless they surprise us. Yes, almost a whole year with nothing. Add that to the year and a half of Endwalker without any lasting content. It's understandable why people are bored.

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So the game and developers shouldnt take veterans like us into account? The game for every expansion, every patch release must always be centred around new players? Many new players don't have great attention spans for games like this and that should not be catered to, I am fine with people leaving the game and quitting.

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We still get new content. That content not being interesting to you is a different issue.

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6.5 will have a week worth of content at best, unless they surprise us. Yes, almost a whole year with nothing. Add that to the year and a half of Endwalker without any lasting content. It's understandable why people are bored.

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The only ones bored are the rapid content consumers with a very narrow area of interest in the game's content.

Other players have plenty to do. They don't get to play 12-16 hours a day. They're lucky to play that much in a month, let alone a day or a week. They'll be spending their time getting all the things that you already got while they were at work or school. They'll spend their time doing the things you aren't interested in doing.

If you're a rapid content consumer, you are always going to end up at a loss for things to do unless a game introduces a grindy power progression system that the player base decides is mandatory, such as WoW did. And WoW proceeded to lose most of its player base as a result because most people just don't have enough free time to keep up with what the rapid content consumers demand.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

We still get new content. That content not being interesting to you is a different issue.


The only ones bored are the rapid content consumers with a very narrow area of interest in the game's content.

Other players have plenty to do. They don't get to play 12-16 hours a day. They're lucky to play that much in a month, let alone a day or a week. They'll be spending their time getting all the things that you already got while they were at work or school. They'll spend their time doing the things you aren't interested in doing.

If you're a rapid content consumer, you are always going to end up at a loss for things to do unless a game introduces a grindy power progression system that the player base decides is mandatory, such as WoW did. And WoW proceeded to lose most of its player base as a result because most people just don't have enough free time to keep up with what the rapid content consumers demand.

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"rapid content consumers"

except if you play 10 minutes a week, you'll be done with the new content in a week, a grand maximum of 2 weeks at most and that's if you are slowing yourself down on purpose just to slow content consumption

also cba with the wow comparisons all the time , zzz

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If you're a rapid content consumer, you are always going to end up at a loss for things to do unless a game introduces a grindy power progression system that the player base decides is mandatory, such as WoW did. And WoW proceeded to lose most of its player base as a result because most people just don't have enough free time to keep up with what the rapid content consumers demand.

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You don't have to be a "rapid content consumer" to run into issues. Namely because, for anyone who is caught up with the story and done a good chunk of side content, the offerings of each patch are downright pitiful. Like let's look at what 6.5 will have...

An hour or two of MSQ
Alliance raid that you can also do in an hour or two.
Small updates to spreadsheet simu- I mean, Island Sanctuary.
Timegated custom delivery quests.
Another set of 1500 tomestone relics (while most people will have 1500 before the patch goes out, so that's basically zero time or effort needed for your main jobs relic)

So we have an additional, what, day of content to last us until the expansion? A week at most if you aren't a "rapid content consumer". It's a joke.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

We still get new content. That content not being interesting to you is a different issue.


The only ones bored are the rapid content consumers with a very narrow area of interest in the game's content.

Other players have plenty to do. They don't get to play 12-16 hours a day. They're lucky to play that much in a month, let alone a day or a week. They'll be spending their time getting all the things that you already got while they were at work or school. They'll spend their time doing the things you aren't interested in doing.

If you're a rapid content consumer, you are always going to end up at a loss for things to do unless a game introduces a grindy power progression system that the player base decides is mandatory, such as WoW did. And WoW proceeded to lose most of its player base as a result because most people just don't have enough free time to keep up with what the rapid content consumers demand.

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Even if you only play an hour a day it will only take a week to finish a majority of a patch except for savage raids

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"rapid content consumers"

except if you play 10 minutes a week, you'll be done with the new content in a week, a grand maximum of 2 weeks at most and that's if you are slowing yourself down on purpose just to slow content consumption

also cba with the wow comparisons all the time , zzz

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Please don't exaggerate how quickly someone can get all the new content done. Also don't forget some players are going to repeat the content even if you're not interested in doing so.

As for the WoW comparisons, it's because that's the other MMO that I played the longest and most of the others were WoW knock offs.

If you have experience with other MMORPGs that did things differently to keep the rapid content consumers engaged longer, maybe share what you saw happening in those games.

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

Even if you only play an hour a day it will only take a week to finish a majority of a patch except for savage raids

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Will they have earned all the new gear, minions, mounts and other rewards they want from the new content in just 7 hours?

I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Will they have earned all the new gear, minions, mounts and other rewards they want from the new content in just 7 hours?

I don't think so.

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We shouldn't have to go back to previous expansions to get every mount minion and glam piece because of the lack of content in the current one. If the game continued to get the same amount of content and variety of content we got during arr-stormblood ff14 wouldnt be getting more and more complaints since shadowbringers with a lack of content.

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We shouldn't have to go back to previous expansions to get every mount minion and glam piece because of the lack of content in the current one. If the game continued to get the same amount of content and variety of content we got during arr-stormblood ff14 wouldnt be getting more and more complaints since shadowbringers with a lack of content.

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They will tell you you have content to do if you didn't collect 20,000 Accursed Hoards from PotD lmao

If you have to go back to old expansions just to find stuff to do, especially after the first week of patch release, then maybe, just maybe, the current expansion doesn't have good, if any, long lasting content.

Not everyone is going to smash their head against a brick wall going for 10,000 collectibles and 20,000 accursed hoard. People aren't going to do shit they aren't interested in doing. It isn't that hard to comprehend

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They will tell you you have content to do if you didn't collect 20,000 Accursed Hoards from PotD lmao

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When people bring up "did you get every fish entry or 20000 accursed hoards" i find it as an excuse or defense of the dev team for the lack of content we have when compared to how we used to get so much more when the game first came out. The dev team got complacent in the games success that they know people will gladly defend everything they do and not question anything.

I mean, that's the beauty of dropping your sub and coming back when you feel it's time.

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Why no content? The forum is up for you 24/7!

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Forums are XIV's best content.

Forums > XIV Twitter, Youtube, reddit.

The forums are RAW.
https://media.makeameme.org/created/...959f0ef788.jpg

reddit, twitter & youtube are merely XIV damage control platforms.

Clearly, everyone complaining has done everything.

They've all completed their best in slot gear from the current savage raid, they've played all the jobs to 90, they've cleared all the legacy raids on BLU, they've farmed out all their mounts from EX trials so far, they're omni crafters...

...except the most vocal haven't done any of that. They have one combat job finished, have a couple crafters leveled, don't have any raid gear or achievements. When they say "no content" what they mean is "I don't want to do *that* content*.

It's disingenuous.

I guess bad content still counts as content.

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

they've farmed out all their mounts from EX trials so far, they're omni crafters....

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If you have to rely on treating repeating the same fight 99 times as content to have an argument then you don't actually have an argument at all

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

Clearly, everyone complaining has done everything.

They've all completed their best in slot gear from the current savage raid, they've played all the jobs to 90, they've cleared all the legacy raids on BLU, they've farmed out all their mounts from EX trials so far, they're omni crafters...

...except the most vocal haven't done any of that. They have one combat job finished, have a couple crafters leveled, don't have any raid gear or achievements. When they say "no content" what they mean is "I don't want to do *that* content*.

It's disingenuous.

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You're the one being disingenuous.

Playing a game for fun, what a novel concept.

It's obvious those who complain are actually talking about content they want to do, why would anyone pay a sub to do chores like completing 10k S-rank EW hunts.

It's up to SE to offer enough content that all players have something to do, it's part of the implicit contract when they sell a monthly sub, and not our responsability to do that content if it's not up to our taste. Then our options are complaining about it or leave. Which one do you think SE prefer?

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

Clearly, everyone complaining has done everything.

They've all completed their best in slot gear from the current savage raid, they've played all the jobs to 90, they've cleared all the legacy raids on BLU, they've farmed out all their mounts from EX trials so far, they're omni crafters...

...except the most vocal haven't done any of that. They have one combat job finished, have a couple crafters leveled, don't have any raid gear or achievements. When they say "no content" what they mean is "I don't want to do *that* content*.

It's disingenuous.

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Or, and stay with me now. Not everyone is a mount collector, not everyone is a crafter, not everyone is a gatherer, not everyone is an achievement hunter, etc.

Stop spouting this bad faith nonsense as the be all end all argument.

I have all combat jobs to 90, i got BTN/MIN to 90 and crafters in ShB to 80 and several of them to 90. Blu isn't my style and I would continue to level it if I could take it into current content. I'm not much of a gatherer and crafter in mmo's but if I get the drive, they're there.

I got what relics I wanted from Eureka and Bozja, I don't care that much about mounts, they're more of a bonus to me.

I would do savage but I got terminal brainrot from how stupid PF can be back during eden and decided it wasn't worth the frustration anymore, and I have a weird work schedule so statics aren't gonna do it for me either. I'm more of a midcore MMO player anyway so I just find other stuff to do, which WOULD be satiated if there was an actual Relic grind for me to work on. We had eureka and bozja in Stormblood and Shadowbringers, respectively. None of that is in Endwalker, and Criterion is a missed opportunity so far.

This is the perfect expansion for new players, not for veteran players. People like you are the reason why some people just result in trolling with alts because you will just derail it into posting that, pooling all of us into your assumption that all of us are complaining just to complain.

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I mean, that's the beauty of dropping your sub and coming back when you feel it's time.

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That's what I'm doing personally. I'll keep up to date on news and so far I'm excited for Dawntrail, knowing that Yoship did say in the interview that they are in the process of finalizing a new type of battle content with new plans for Deep Dungeon, and intentions on bringing up new exploratory content has my interest.

I'll come back in 6.5 to do story and run the new alliance raid to see how it is on launch, but after that it's likely back in the gallows for me until 6.55 where I'll start prepping another role or two with tome gear for Dawntrail. Likely scouting seeing as how we should be getting another scouting job. I would go through and finish off all of my variant logs for completion, but I'm just saving those for further down the line so I have content to do before Dawntrail.

Playing Final Fantasy XIV isn't about having "fun". It's about having status. You see, you can only discuss the game if you all mounts, all minions, all fights cleared, mentor status, every achievement, all ultimate titles, all rare titles, etc.

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There are so many other games comming out, I'm honestly kind of glad we have to wait for around a year. Gives me enough free time to catch up on my steam wish list as well ^_^. This is fully in line with the FFXIV design philosophy. And over the years, I started to really appreciate this choice in direction more and more.

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Fully agreed. FFXIV was never meant to be someone's "main game" like WoW, GW2, Genshin, Diablo 4 or any other live-service game. It's a side game you play once or twice a week before playing other games. For just $13 a month, you can play all the other games you want as long as they're free.

Yoshi-P understands that a good game is one that gets out of your hair so you can play even better games. Let's be honest here, who really wants to play FFXIV when Baldur's Gate 3 just came out? No one. Yoshi-P understands us. Which is why FFXIV has no content. Except it does have content, you just don't want to do it. (Am I getting that right?)

This is what the content of the game has been since ARR. If you're asking for a square peg to go into a round hole, it's okay to not play the game and go do something you do enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Xaphire

Clearly, everyone complaining has done everything.

They've all completed their best in slot gear from the current savage raid, they've played all the jobs to 90, they've cleared all the legacy raids on BLU, they've farmed out all their mounts from EX trials so far, they're omni crafters...

...except the most vocal haven't done any of that. They have one combat job finished, have a couple crafters leveled, don't have any raid gear or achievements. When they say "no content" what they mean is "I don't want to do *that* content*.

It's disingenuous.

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TLDR of your post

"you havent fished 10 000 fishes for the achievement yet, you're not done with the game, you just dont want to do the content !"

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This is what the content of the game has been since ARR. If you're asking for a square peg to go into a round hole, it's okay to not play the game and go do something you do enjoy.

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during arr at least the content lasted the entire patch even when the next patch came out i wasn't fully finished all pieces of content. The arr relic alone during the atma and the previous step it took more then just one patch for me to finish a step.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

It's up to SE to offer enough content that all players have something to do, it's part of the implicit contract when they sell a monthly sub, and not our responsability to do that content if it's not up to our taste. Then our options are complaining about it or leave. Which one do you think SE prefer?

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No MMO developer is ever going to be able to keep every single player busy the entire time they are subscribed with new content. Even with how incredibly grindy and time-consuming EverQuest was, I needed alts to keep myself busy until the next expansion because I played so much.

And what makes completing 10k S rank hunts to get a reward (achievement) to fill time before an expansion a chore but sitting in a single zone like Eureka or Bozja grinding the same thing day in and day out to get a reward (item) isn't a chore? I think people gloss over that they're both repetitive tasks that lead to some thing that someone wants. It's not really new or varied content.

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No MMO developer is ever going to be able to keep every single player busy the entire time they are subscribed with new content. Even with how incredibly grindy and time-consuming EverQuest was, I needed alts to keep myself busy until the next expansion because I played so much.

And what makes completing 10k S rank hunts to get a reward (achievement) to fill time before an expansion a chore but sitting in a single zone like Eureka or Bozja grinding the same thing day in and day out to get a reward (item) isn't a chore? I think people gloss over that they're both repetitive tasks that lead to some thing that someone wants. It's not really new or varied content.

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Surely an MMO developer on the size of Square Enix can make content that lasts more than 2 days and also has 5-6 months in between patches.

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So the game and developers shouldnt take veterans like us into account? The game for every expansion, every patch release must always be centred around new players? Many new players don't have great attention spans for games like this and that should not be catered to, I am fine with people leaving the game and quitting.

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So you want them to release content that occupies your every day into eternity? The fact is there will come a point where you will have done everything you want to do and will be waiting for the next, and pretending like this is unique to XIV is just plain ignorant. What exactly is it you want though, new dungeons every week, currency you have to grind every day to be able to acquire gear, something new every month that has never been in game before? There just is no way to create content that takes longer to consume than to develop unless you create daily required grinds to progress.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

So you want them to release content that occupies your every day into eternity? The fact is there will come a point where you will have done everything you want to do and will be waiting for the next, and pretending like this is unique to XIV is just plain ignorant. What exactly is it you want though, new dungeons every week, currency you have to grind every day to be able to acquire gear, something new every month that has never been in game before? There just is no way to create content that takes longer to consume than to develop unless you create daily required grinds to progress.

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Bro the content literally lasts 2 days, 2 days once every 6 months, stop excusing mediocrity. A week if you are very slow and at the most 2 weeks if you slow yourself down on purpose to slow content consumption.

Asking for more content =/ wanting something to do 24 7 for the entire patch, but a bit more than 2 days yes ?

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Bro the content literally lasts 2 days, 2 days once every 6 months, stop excusing mediocrity. A week if you are very slow and at the most 2 weeks if you slow yourself down on purpose to slow content consumption.

Asking for more content =/ wanting something to do 24 7 for the entire patch, but a bit more than 2 days yes ?

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So people never repeat content in other MMOs for currencies or gear pieces they want, they run it once it releases and never again.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

No MMO developer is ever going to be able to keep every single player busy the entire time they are subscribed with new content. Even with how incredibly grindy and time-consuming EverQuest was, I needed alts to keep myself busy until the next expansion because I played so much.

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No MMO developper is going to be able to keep every single player subbed but surely they can do better than XIV.
More often than not lately I've been twiddling my thumbs IG, logging with a desire to play but finding nothing to do outside of raiding with the static and boring stuff I've done a million times already like roulettes.
And it's been like that for a while despite work and the numerous gaming releases from 2023 keeping me busy.

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So people never repeat content in other MMOs for currencies or gear pieces they want, they run it once it releases and never again.

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Mythic+ system says hi, infinite rewards, weekly reward that scales with the level of the dungeon you did that week, that's an incentive to run content over and over again, they also had variants by the use of affixes to make the content fun (or unfun depending on the week) but at least its infinite content, same thing for raids. You can make repeating content fun by adding scaling rewards or anything of the sort, FFXIV has none of it.

FFXIV has an absolute bore of a dungeon system ,no scaling, no affixes, it's just a bland dungeon that you can speedrun through and pull the entire areas without any care at all and still survive without any issues, and the raids are.. well they are fun for a while but then theres nothing again.

No, I promise you, running Aglaia for the 1000th times or fishing for the 10000 fishes achievement is not fun, it really isnt, but its the only content there is so people do it anyway because they are bored to oblivion.

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Mythic+ system says hi, infinite rewards, weekly reward that scales with the level of the dungeon you did that week, that's an incentive to run content over and over again, they also had variants by the use of affixes to make the content fun (or unfun depending on the week) but at least its infinite content, same thing for raids.

FFXIV has an absolute bore of a dungeon system ,no scaling, no affixes, it's just a bland dungeon that you can speedrun through and pull the entire areas without any care at all and still survive without any issues, and the raids are.. well they are fun for a while but then theres nothing again.

No, I promise you, running Aglaia for the 1000th times or fishing for the 10000 fishes achievement is not fun, it really isnt, but its the only content there is so people do it anyway because they are bored to oblivion.

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So you're saying that repeating content for currencies in other games is alright but not here? The dungeons here are a little on the bland side and I am not arguing they aren't, what I am saying is other games don't constantly release new content either, they get you to re run old content for a limited currency or reward. I am also going to say the forbidden words, if FFXIV content is suiting your needs, and there is a particularly long wait to next patch or expansion you want, then maybe consider playing a game that clearly is meeting your needs until you want to return. I know you expect XIV to cater to your every want but that is just not the case, a lot of players other than you and some here do enjoy things like fishing and crafting and gathering, which is much more robust here than other MMOs

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So you're saying that repeating content for currencies in other games is alright but not here? The dungeons here are a little on the bland side and I am not arguing they aren't, what I am saying is other games don't constantly release new content either, they get you to re run old content for a limited currency or reward.

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There is a giant difference between repeating challenging content that scales rewards and also has affixes, on top of giving a weekly reward the higher you go, and repeating a boring dungeon in which the mobs do no damage and you get... absolutely nothing out of it