Shameful lack of content, Yoshi P.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Ok but then if you dont fully participate on the game's content then why do we see you on this negative crusade for everything else about this game then? This shouldnt really matter to you in the grand scheme of things. No wonder your feedback sounds, disingenuous, groundless and lack of passion. Its because you dont focus or prolly never even touch on it.

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You mean just like 90% of those people defending the content and how amazing it is ?

Funny how that works, when it fits your narrative it's okay though

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

You mean just like 90% of those people defending the content and how amazing it is ?

Funny how that works, when it fits your narrative it's okay though

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Except....alot of these people are actually playing the game and its content before they take breaks.
Not just housing and talking....

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Except....alot of these people are actually playing the game and its content before they take breaks.
Not just housing and talking....

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Sure that's some hardcore copium right there, I wont name who because of the rules but a massive part of the ones defending the game literally never touched any of the content

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Sure that's some hardcore copium right there, I wont name who because of the rules but a massive part of the ones defending the game literally never touched any of the content

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Sure would be nice if everyone can get a house to do the same housing content as you.

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Sure would be nice if everyone can get a house to do the same housing content as you.

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How in the world is that my problem lmao, since when am I a dev ?

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

That’s exactly my point, as the developer ready to deliver the patch notes why WOULDNT you know which way is up?
Unless as you said “zero prior knowledge” if that’s the first time you’ve seen it and if you represent the game, why is that the first time you see it? Shouldn’t you approve things that go live beforehand? Shouldn’t you be more prepared and actually engaged in the content of your own game?

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He was partially playing on a test section of the stream who cares..... like if that's what you have beef with then jeez. Also to be fair with that image he was confused with, the design doesn't favour well to a direction at first glance. I watch every live letter and this one felt no different to others honestly. Its a patch note discussion almost...how many games even give this level of transparency to the community and that's not me defending anything here. Go see what CoD does to its massive community or other MMOs...they don't even do this in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Sure that's some hardcore copium right there, I wont name who because of the rules but a massive part of the ones defending the game literally never touched any of the content

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Same goes for those hating the game.

You yourself admit you've barely done any actual game content and just hang out in venues or your house while in discord.

There are quite a few other ardent game haters who clearly don't do any content either. It doesn't really matter though, because there are lots of people who have done all the content who are unhappy, along with those who have and are happy.

It's literally all walks are on both sides.

Personally don't really like big grinds, at least especially due to the game being linear progression, and don't really feel there is a lot of content missing just some less ideal initial loop structures.. also feeling a lot of players are losing the mysticism due to age with game and that roleplay mysticism has been one of FFXIV's challenges. Really good at consistent structure and imo I appreciate a lot more of the friendly systems mechanically, like rolling mountain is done well here in comparison to say WoW..

I'm thinking that's compounding harder than normal right now. Few ideas on what to do spread into other threads but just my quick imo. As off-putting as some might find it taking breaks has made a lot of that no issue for me, but I could imagine a lot of the things I like being paired with adjustments without it being ruined. So.. not the only thing that can be said ;).

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

How in the world is that my problem lmao, since when am I a dev ?

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Since today, please get on it!

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Personally don't really like big grinds, at least especially due to the game being linear progression, and don't really feel there is a lot of content missing just some less ideal initial loop structures.. also feeling a lot of players are losing the mysticism due to age with game and that roleplay mysticism has been one of FFXIV's challenges. Really good at consistent structure and imo I appreciate a lot more of the friendly systems mechanically, like rolling mountain is done well here in comparison to say WoW..

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"But but but WoW bad!" will never be as good of an argument as you guys think it is.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

This is the game. If you don't like it, don't play it. If you like it, play it. If you're waiting for new contents, unsub and resub later.

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How about we ask for more because we're paying customers and square enix aren't our friends?
why settle for less with a product?

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

"But but but WoW bad!" will never be as good of an argument as you guys think it is.

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A good reason to that, is thats not even the Argument.

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

"But but but WoW bad!" will never be as good of an argument as you guys think it is.

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You don't know me, clearly, I have frequently also mentioned things WoW does well. Don't lump if you won't pay attention.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

A good reason to that, is thats not even the Argument.

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Nah you don't understand - if you make a vague comment comparing 1 thing to another e.g.,

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like rolling mountain is done well here in comparison to say WoW..

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Then it indicates that your sole argument is XIV good, WoW bad. Honestly, at this point some people aren't even reading what they write before posting.

[Edit] - If it isn't clear, I am making reference to their perception of what Shougun was saying and how woefully detracted from reality it is.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Nah you don't understand - if you make a vague comment comparing 1 thing to another e.g.,



Then it indicates that your sole argument is XIV good, WoW bad. Honestly, at this point some people aren't even reading what they write before posting.

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.... you say one thing is good, rolling mountain for example, over a other, and that's what you get out of it? "WoW bad, FFXIV good"?

Some awful assuming you got there. Write my posts for me. Wow..

I'm one of the few during the fever dream of FFXIV relaunch that pointed out good things WoW did/does (as I still do).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

.... you say one thing is good, rolling mountain for example, over a other, and that's what you get out of it? "WoW bad, FFXIV good"?

Some awful assuming you got there. Write my posts for me. Wow..

I'm one of the few during the fever dream of FFXIV relaunch that pointed out good things WoW did/does (as I still do).

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Well, I was being sarcastic with respect to it.

What they've done is effectively no different from when some posters say "Because you make 1 criticism of XIV, you must therefore hate the entire product" (I mean there are levels to it) - But hey, their perception was not as clever as they thought it was. Just don't know why they were so eager to strip any nuance from your post.

Honestly, I barely even want to write my own posts half of the time - Let alone go beyond that :p

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Well, I was being sarcastic with respect to it.

What they've done is effectively no different from when some posters say "Because you make 1 criticism of XIV, you must therefore hate the entire product" (I mean there are levels to it) - But hey, their perception was not as clever as they thought it was. Just don't know why they were so eager to strip any nuance from your post.

Honestly, I barely even want to write my own posts half of the time - Let alone go beyond that :p

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Ah lol. Well I can agree it's frustrating and I have seen what you say, just don't return the favor onto me lol.

I don't mind the criticism nor that some people don't find taking a break as acceptable, that's fine, I never stop people from wanting more. Though maybe point out if what is being asked is really what they are asking. Like, do you mean quantity? Sounds like a quality argument. Etc.

Feedback good, my one mantra if I had one in the forums.

WoW has some things I love and wish FFXIV witnessed. I also like refencing other games like GW2 for amazing movement in mounts or way better FATEs.

Sorry for being a bit sharp but I was like... man.. you have no idea how much I was pushed against by others when I say WoW still has good ideas and then to get called a WoW hater and FFXIV fan boy, essentially, I was like... jackiechan-what the hell.jpg.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

How about we ask for more because we're paying customers and square enix aren't our friends?
why settle for less with a product?

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I think its a bit of both really. Its always fair to question the game, but I think some do need to also accept that not every expansion/patch/content is gonna be for them. Its the just the nature of live service games that tailored content is impossible. Sometimes burnout happens too, and taking a break is never a bad thing.

Plus there is complaining in a constructive manner, and then there is talking about the game as if the end is neigh and anyone who dares not accept that criticism is a blind sheep on copium. Not having the same negative feelings does not mean we think Yoshi-P is our BFF in shining Paladin gear, and outside of a troll or two I do not think think anyone is saying teh game is perfect and should never have any criticism.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

I think its a bit of both really. Its always fair to question the game, but I think some do need to also accept that not every expansion/patch/content is gonna be for them.

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Yess. My thing is the relic weapon grind. So I waited patiently for a year until "my" patch arrived and then I got... nothing?

Well a tomestone dump. Don't get me wrong, I am totally fine with grinding tomestones, but 1500 ist not grinding, that's just 3/4 of the amount I already had with me.

Shameful. Yoshida San has granted you a path to enjoyment. (scoff) And yet you stray from it at every opportunity! You afk. You sit on the forums complaining. Shameful.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Shameful. Yoshida San has granted you a path to enjoyment. (scoff) And yet you stray from it at every opportunity! You afk. You sit on the forums complaining. Shameful.

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I was 5 hours in Pagos today :O

Even got the Blitzring after countless tries \^^/

I have the right to be afk now and to complain v.v/

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Didn't someone just recently prove we are on track for the same if not more than before? Not that I'm saying one can't be disgruntled, just maybe with more directed purpose.

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its nearly the same its always been, just the new things have lower longevity, so feels smaller, even if effort on their end is more the same

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Im starting to believe he doesn’t oversee much.

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Wow, you don't see someone waking up every day

Love how people screeched about how Yoshi P personally micromanages and oversees every little detail when I said he probably is far more hands off than before two years ago. Guess everyone else takes 2 years to notice basic patterns!!!!

Wait, do people honestly think Yoshi P is overseeing every little detail like weapons that won a fan contest? lol

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Wait, do people honestly think Yoshi P is overseeing every little detail like weapons that won a fan contest? lol

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How are you defending this game non stop if you don't even know this game's basic history. I swear lmao half of you are literal ShB/ew babies who don't have any frame of reference or knowledge of the game

Go watch noclip

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

Wait, do people honestly think Yoshi P is overseeing every little detail like weapons that won a fan contest? lol

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Why not? It’s his game, shouldn’t he want to know what goes in the game before it does? Is that why we still have this?

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Originally Posted by Yencat

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Im not saying he should be the one to fix it but it cant take long to look at something and tell his employees to not release in that state does it?

If he can’t chew that much maybe he shouldn’t overfill his plate with all the other games.

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Originally Posted by Tint

I was 5 hours in Pagos today :O

Even got the Blitzring after countless tries \^^/

I have the right to be afk now and to complain v.v/

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YOU WHAT?! I was in Pagos for months farming the bloody earring and belt (rip belts) with no luck sobs.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Why not? It’s his game, shouldn’t he want to know what goes in the game before it does? Is that why we still have this?


Im not saying he should be the one to fix it but it cant take long to look at something and tell his employees to not release in that state does it?

If he can’t chew that much maybe he shouldn’t overfill his plate with all the other games.

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I know you're old enough to know how corporations work and that he can't possibly be overseeing every little thing that gets into the game.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

there is complaining in a constructive manner, and then there is talking about the game as if the end is neigh and anyone who dares not accept that criticism is a blind sheep on copium. Not having the same negative feelings does not mean we think Yoshi-P is our BFF in shining Paladin gear, and outside of a troll or two I do not think anyone is saying the game is perfect and should never have any criticism.

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Oh my god...like...all of this and a bag of chips....

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I know you're old enough to know how corporations work and that he can't possibly be overseeing every little thing that gets into the game.

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Bruh if you don't know why people think that then just take the L and move on.

If you actually care watch noclip. He was purportedly a micromanager for a while, and people just stuck with that image of him despite increasingly many instances of him not knowing how the game works anymore or how his personal wishes got overriden just months after.

The change is gradual when you're talking about a 10 year old game but if you go back to one of the very first live letters the difference is night and day. Nowadays he's probably literally unaware of half this game's problems when that's just not true during ARR.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Oh my god...like...all of this and a bag of chips....

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Agreed with the overall sentiment. I think most people realize that the game isn't perfect, and those that put Yoshi P on a pedestal really need to not. He's human, he has his own ideas, and own processes that he has to go through. He's not simultaneously our best friend and head dev of the game.

That said, I like the game a lot, and when I stop liking it, I'll stop paying for it. It really shouldn't be more complicated than that. Sure, voice your issues, that's awesome, but at some point, when all you have left are memes and insults, move on.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I quite literally just started Island Sanctuary two weeks ago, and still not rank 12. I don't say that because there is so much content that I could not get around to it. I say that because there is no effin way anyone can get to rank 12 in a week. I guess, technically you could but man that would be an extremely tedious process that would drive most insane.

More examples: Gearing up to BiS. Maxing out beast tribes. Max out a custom deliveries NPC. Growing certain crops such as Thav onions or Jute. Getting to seven figure gil. Obtain all items from Faux Hollows. Obtain all TT cards. Close all fishing holes.

Some content has no finish line such as: Wonderous Tales. Glamour chasing. Playing in a performance band. Role Play. Helping other players clear difficult duties. Soloing duties.

Your exaggerations aside, getting bored easily and not being able to find replay value with the given content is not the same as lack of content.

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Omg did you just find out that Square Enix timegates to extend the shelf life of content types that actually only give you a week of content.

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Originally Posted by Boblawblah

I know you're old enough to know how corporations work and that he can't possibly be overseeing every little thing that gets into the game.

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Yes but you see there are many obvious in your face kind of problems for months if not years, and you’re telling me he can’t possibly oversee that? After months? Years of complaints?

Then what IS his job?

It is impossible that he can’t see things after all this time unless he doesn’t care to see them.

Don’t get me wrong I love the game, Im still having fun otherwise I wouldn’t be here still paying for it but Im not going to completely simp over it when let’s be honest, there are things that need fixing since a long time and they aren’t getting fixed and Im not sure how long I can keep excusing it with “he’s busy with other games” nor should that be an excuse.

Hrothgar are behind like hell. Viera aren’t getting hats for YEARS when modders release those hats in practically a day after the hats are in game, I don’t know how to excuse that nor should that be excused.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Yes but you see there are many obvious in your face kind of problems for months if not years, and you’re telling me he can’t possibly oversee that? After months? Years of complaints?

Then what IS his job?

Don’t get me wrong I love the game, Im still having fun otherwise I wouldn’t be here still paying for it but Im not going to completely simp over it when let’s be honest, there are things that need fixing since a long time and they aren’t getting fixed and Im not sure how long I can keep excusing it with “he’s busy with other games” nor should that be an excuse.

Hrothgar are behind like hell. Viera aren’t getting hats for YEARS when modders release those hats in practically a day after the hats are in game, I don’t know how to excuse that nor should that be excused.

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I mean he's not busy with other games really, 16 is done now it went gold and beforehand he was a producer...not a director so he was probably quite hands off with it cause he picked the team he believes in to get the job done. Im not going to deny the beast races are behind and should be up to snuff now but when they have X amount of resources to use they are choosing to work on things that will bring in more players basically. Why spend all this time on a visual update or QoL to all the base game etc...simple increase the threshold of newcomers into the game. Oh the game looks better that's more people (as fickle people are on visuals) oh I heard ARR-SB has been streamlined or I can get through the story mostly with AI blah blah I get what they have done. If fanfest comes and they announce a same old same old...then we will be in more of the same boat but till July in this instance il remain neutral to it all.

https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-mods-bethesda-vX9WcCiWwUF7G

Darnit. If anyone knows how to make the actual gif show that would be awesome.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Yes but you see there are many obvious in your face kind of problems for months if not years, and you’re telling me he can’t possibly oversee that? After months? Years of complaints?

Then what IS his job?

It is impossible that he can’t see things after all this time unless he doesn’t care to see them.

Don’t get me wrong I love the game, Im still having fun otherwise I wouldn’t be here still paying for it but Im not going to completely simp over it when let’s be honest, there are things that need fixing since a long time and they aren’t getting fixed and Im not sure how long I can keep excusing it with “he’s busy with other games” nor should that be an excuse.

Hrothgar are behind like hell. Viera aren’t getting hats for YEARS when modders release those hats in practically a day after the hats are in game, I don’t know how to excuse that nor should that be excused.

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His job as director is to steer the game into profitability, something he's done. Game's bottom line is doing great. I doubt SE or the shareholders care if a hairstyle or hat is missing when the bottom line is doing well.

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Originally Posted by Roshidon1

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Darnit. If anyone knows how to make the actual gif show that would be awesome.

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I generally use tenor for linking gifs, they seem to work well: (just put the img tags around it)

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https://giphy.com/gifs/mrw-mods-bethesda-vX9WcCiWwUF7G

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Originally Posted by GaiusDrakon

Bruh if you don't know why people think that then just take the L and move on.

If you actually care watch noclip. He was purportedly a micromanager for a while, and people just stuck with that image of him despite increasingly many instances of him not knowing how the game works anymore or how his personal wishes got overriden just months after.

The change is gradual when you're talking about a 10 year old game but if you go back to one of the very first live letters the difference is night and day. Nowadays he's probably literally unaware of half this game's problems when that's just not true during ARR.

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Of course he's going to be a micromanager back then. He got asked to save a dumpster fire that's somehow floating along in a lava flow in a short period of time and then make sure it's a success. It probably was part of why we had that unexpected lul between 3.0 and 3.1. It'd of been like if XI devs had to put out all of the base game and RotZ all at the same time. Then release it to NA the next year. You're going to want to stick the landing. I'm surprised they managed a 3/3.5 month release schedule for as long as they did.

Ty!

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Originally Posted by Roshidon1

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