There Sure Are A Lot of Doom and Gloom Posts In Here

I mean, it’s pretty obvious to me lol.

People realised it’s literally impossible to get banned, blocked or otherwise moderated on the english forums, so they just say whatever the fuck they want now because there are absolutely no consequences.

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Originally Posted by Connor

I mean, it’s pretty obvious to me lol.

People realised it’s literally impossible to get banned, blocked or otherwise moderated on the english forums, so they just say whatever the fuck they want now because there are absolutely no consequences.

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They DARE criticize the game ? Quick, ban them ! Is basically what people like you and op are asking for

MMO forums have always learnt in the direction of negativity from my 20 year experience. If we would take that at face value then WoW would have been dead during BC haha. We are after all the minority of players who bother to not just speak up on the game, but find the official forums outside of places like Reddit or Twitter. Our opinions are going to naturally be more emotionally driven and bias then what the majority think.

I do feel that of late, there is a more… vindictive stride to such criticism. If you do not agree that the game/current content is bad 100%, then you are just a white hat/knight who worships the game and will accept no criticism etc. Attacks feel more personally sharp and stoked in venom then active constructive debate. To be fair I also think this is something that has popped up in all type of media discussion, not just here or on MMO forums. Sure, it also appears the other way around as all things do which also sucks, but the scales of Nald'thal seem to tip in one direction more then the other.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

MMO forums have always learnt in the direction of negativity from my 20 year experience. If we would take that at face value then WoW would have been dead during BC haha. We are after all the minority of players who bother to not just speak up on the game, but find the official forums outside of places like Reddit or Twitter. Our opinions are going to naturally be more emotionally driven and bias then what the majority think.

I do feel that of late, there is a more… vindictive stride to such criticism. If you do not agree that the game/current content is bad 100%, then you are just a white hat/knight who worships the game and will accept no criticism etc. Attacks feel more personally sharp and stoked in venom then active constructive debate. To be fair I also think this is something that has popped up in all type of media discussion, not just here or on MMO forums. Sure, it also appears the other way around as all things do which also sucks, but the scales of Nald'thal seem to tip in one direction more then the other.

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What a reasonable take.

...I hate it and you. Personally. A lot.

(/s it's sarcasm it's heckin ironic I swear)

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

They DARE criticize the game ? Quick, ban them ! Is basically what people like you and op are asking for

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That’s true. People get bent out of shape when you criticize something they find infallible. Then everyone becomes a troll and needs to be shown the door

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Originally Posted by Connor

I mean, it’s pretty obvious to me lol.

People realised it’s literally impossible to get banned, blocked or otherwise moderated on the english forums, so they just say whatever the fuck they want now because there are absolutely no consequences.

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Actually not true, I did get suspended twice in these forums. One for calling somebody a "nimrod" and the other I cant recall. The mods are checking, just not interacting.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Actually not true, I did get suspended twice in these forums. One for calling somebody a "nimrod" and the other I cant recall. The mods are checking, just not interacting.

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Was that person reported? The mods here only interact if its a mass report, you talk negatively about Mr. P. if someone leaks the next expansion skills or they need close forums posts because of server space.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Meh, overly melodramatic players have been claiming the sky is falling since before ARR launched.

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Were they wrong?

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Well, there was that whole thing with Dalamud falling out of the sky, so technically...

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Actually not true, I did get suspended twice in these forums. One for calling somebody a "nimrod" and the other I cant recall. The mods are checking, just not interacting.

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I got a ban for “are you being intentionally obtuse?” To someone speaking in circles. It doesn’t take much. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if I get one for this post

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

MMO forums have always learnt in the direction of negativity from my 20 year experience. If we would take that at face value then WoW would have been dead during BC haha.

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Now i was not involved or know the specifics on what was discussed in those forums during that time, but this is a really odd take with what you are trying to portray. Yes, WoW is not dead (like most MMOs), but IIRC WoWs peak came in WotLK where the decline began and soon after they started hiding sub counts...and with the sentiment of WoW pre-dragonflight, idk...maybe they shouldve listened?

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

I got a ban for “are you being intentionally obtuse?” To someone speaking in circles. It doesn’t take much. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if I get one for this post

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I was honestly expecting to get a third one after I was recently reported for harrassment on another thread but to my surprise it didnt seem to take into effect?

At least Im assured that my responses to the poster werent seen as such but thats neither here nor there.

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

Just like an other media, twitter, YT, w/e, its drama gets the most reaction out of people...

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FFXIV Twitter has to be one of the biggest cesspits in existence

And I can’t get enough of it lmfao

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Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro

Now i was not involved or know the specifics on what was discussed in those forums during that time, but this is a really odd take with what you are trying to portray. Yes, WoW is not dead (like most MMOs), but IIRC WoWs peak came in WotLK where the decline began and soon after they started hiding sub counts...and with the sentiment of WoW pre-dragonflight, idk...maybe they shouldve listened?

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My point was more that even in the 'glory days' of WoW, be it BC or in WoTLK (That was when I played most, and yes there where plenty of complains about dungeons being too easy and stuff ) there are people who will complain and be dissatisfied with what is happening. The presence of such negativity will always exist in MMO life no matter whether its at its peak or not, and you know what? One day they will be right. No game last forever, and popularity will always go up and down due to a number of things. Mayhap people will look back at this time in the games life and say it was the ‘beginning of the end’ for FFXIV. I am no psychic so I cannot say, but nether is anyone else here. We can use our past experience of games sure,and we should always ecourage constructive criticism no matter what, but no one here will be free of bias or knows what the future holds.

Welp, time to post for the first time in...how long has it been? Checks... THAL'S BALLS! It's only been like 2 years? Less than I thought.

AHEM!

Folks always doom and gloom when they have nothing to do. That's all it really is. I will link to an old thread made as a joke for all the doom and gloom in the past though...anywho, back to the safety of my cave.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...al-Fantasy-XIV

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

They DARE criticize the game ? Quick, ban them ! Is basically what people like you and op are asking for

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Thinking ‘saying whatever they want’ means ‘genuine criticism’ and not ‘the sky is falling Yoshi-p is Satan’ blatant trolls lol

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Numbers means nothing when this game has a free trial and there are 234923409 bots/RMT running rampant.

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You're still subbed and playing. I take it your number is equally insignificant?

It's usually more positive here than ESO forums, but not always and right now I would say is one of those times it isn't. Every official game forum I've frequented has an abundance of "doom and gloom" though. I get the reason behind that, somewhat, but I'm around (any of them) mainly to make sure I don't miss any seasonal events, promotions, or other limited time activities. I got my Chocorpokkur thanks to these forums! My brother thinks it's hideous and frequently draws an unmentionable comparison, but I love it and that's what matters.

Maybe I play games to escape. I'm not sure, but what I do know is I'm someone who likes to talk about real life while I'm playing more than game related stuff. I don't know how to respond to people who only seem interested in my character and are uncomfortable talking about real life, so I say very little in those situations.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

That’s true. People get bent out of shape when you criticize something they find infallible. Then everyone becomes a troll and needs to be shown the door

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On the Flip Side, the exact thing happens if you have an Opposite or Neutral Opinion. (Occasionally with facts and proof)
Unless you are 100% on board with SE / FFXIV is bad / This thing is bad, then you are labeled a Shill, White Knight, or are accused of worshiping the game and YoshiP.

TL;DR, it happens on both sides.

People are more likely to go out of their way to complain over praising. You'll see it all the time if you look up reviews on businesses where someone is like "I go here all the time and usually it has been fine but one time an employee looked at me wrong so I'm never coming back. 1 out of 5 stars".

So where was your review when things were fine? Why bomb it for the one time? It's cause people like to complain. Also if anyone says they shouldn't leave a positive review because good business should be expected I'm just going to ignore that as stupid.

Does this mean I leave reviews everywhere I go? Nope. If they do an outstanding job hell yeah I'm going to and I'll name drop the employee that did a good job so they can get credit. If it's an outstandingly terrible job I will also let them know.

If it is average I won't bother cause it was average. However one bad thing won't outweigh the multitude of average. I'll just treat it as just a singular bad experience and won't factor it in unless it starts to become a regular occurrence.

To me right now FFXIV is average. It's not great and it's not terrible. It exists to me and I do enjoy it for what it is. It could be better. If they focused on some things I can see it really being something special.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

People are more likely to go out of their way to complain over praising. You'll see it all the time if you look up reviews on businesses where someone is like "I go here all the time and usually it has been fine but one time an employee looked at me wrong so I'm never coming back. 1 out of 5 stars".

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That's odd, because typically when I look up reviews on a business, especially one that has been recommended to me, the four and five star reviews heavily outweigh the one to three star reviews. Not only that, those reviews take the forefront of the webpage. Many businesses also rely on these good reviews in order to attract new customers. If I was interested in starting a character in FFXIV, and came to these forum to ascertain how people who play the game feel about it, do you honestly think it would draw me in? No, it wouldn't and I would wonder how and why the game got to be so popular.

The actual truth is few people complain so rampantly as a self-entitled, unappreciative brat. They need to do it loudly and often as to embolden and encourage likeminded individuals to do the same. Most people are extremely annoyed by complainers, and there is nothing virtuous about it, or them. Over time, this forum has become nothing but a hornets nest localized by a hivemind that will sting the living crap out of anyone with a differing or opposing view, all the while circle jerking each other as some rudimentary means to cope with being compelled to sustain their subscription status despite their hatred for the game.

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To me right now FFXIV is average. It's not great and it's not terrible. It exists to me and I do enjoy it for what it is. It could be better. If they focused on some things I can see it really being something special.

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This mmo already is something special. It's been something special for a very long time now. Of course it could be better, but special does not entail flawlessness. Special does not mean novelty is everlasting. This game and dev team have done and accomplished many great things, touched many hearts, shed a lot of tears, and provided countless hours of entertainment for thousands upon thousands of gamers. Not every game, especially mmos can claim the same. Yet, you call the game "average". I am glad you do enjoy it for it what it is, so there is a semblance of appreciation for the game coming from you.

The reason this topic always stirs up drama, insults and arguments is the desire for validation.

With FF14 players, this means they chose to play this game, they don't intend to quit any time soon because it's safe and comfy and they want validation that they made a good choice to support it. Complaints go directly against this. This is why many players seem to lash out defensively, tell complainers to leave and even hurl insults around.

Complaints are touching a nerve. If the game was in a healthy state and better than competing games, complaints would be laughed at and ignored. But deep down most people know it isn't in a healthy state. The complaints threaten their fragile copium bubble and they hate it. They'll launch into defensive rants about how special their mediocre game is.

They're not trying to convince us FF14 is a great game. They're trying to fool themselves.

I believe the complaints are valid.

But I feel like the issue is further exasperated by the content drought. It gives people more time to mull over the issues that become more apparent when they aren't preoccupied by raiding, grinding, decorating, roleplaying, etc.

It's like how when folks were stuck in a 4000+ queue.

They swarmed the forums because they couldn't even play the abundance of new content available.

Or when people want a house. And can't get one. They naturally go to the forums, reddit, twitter, discord etc to voice their discontent.

The offical forums have been like this for a looooooong time.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

The reason this topic always stirs up drama, insults and arguments is the desire for validation.

With FF14 players, this means they chose to play this game, they don't intend to quit any time soon because it's safe and comfy and they want validation that they made a good choice to support it. Complaints go directly against this. This is why many players seem to lash out defensively, tell complainers to leave and even hurl insults around.

Complaints are touching a nerve. If the game was in a healthy state and better than competing games, complaints would be laughed at and ignored. But deep down most people know it isn't in a healthy state. The complaints threaten their fragile copium bubble and they hate it. They'll launch into defensive rants about how special their mediocre game is.

They're not trying to convince us FF14 is a great game. They're trying to fool themselves.

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Sure, you can take the moral highroad on this, but there is no fooling to be had here. Everyone in their right mind knows exactly what kind of place this forum is. I for one don't seek any kind of validation here. I simply give credit where I feel credit is due, whether I feel it is good or bad. Arguments are to be had to express a point of view that differs from another's. I have no idea where you are getting that it is used as a means to get validation. You don't argue for that, you go with the flow that doesn't give resistance. That's where comments/insults about circle jerking stems from.

As far as complaints being laughed at and ignored, I would look to those who are actually spending their time playing the game. As I said before, the experience here and what you experience in game are a night and day difference. Those who feel the game is not in a healthy state is their opinion, and I challenge them and you to provide receipts otherwise. Of course my view on what is special and what makes a game special is subjective. I never intended to spout it as fact. Call it copium if you will, but I rather enjoy playing FFXIV, and I wouldn't be supporting it with hard earned dollars and valuable time otherwise.

I think people forget the purpose of having forums is to provide feedback to the developers. The vast majority of feedback is going to be on things players feel need to be changed as there is little use in saying "Hey, I like playing the game" as you are providing that feedback by staying subbed. Just simply because of that it will always have a negative feeling as most posts will be about things people feel are wrong in the game. That being said, there have been a lot of troll posters making threads to intentionally cause drama through extremely hyperbolic takes or intentionally false premises. You have to just learn to weed out those threads and focus on threads that are trying to provide actual feedback and conversation.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

With FF14 players, this means they chose to play this game, they don't intend to quit any time soon because it's safe and comfy and they want validation that they made a good choice to support it. Complaints go directly against this. This is why many players seem to lash out defensively, tell complainers to leave and even hurl insults around.

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Obviously lashing out and hurling insults is not the right way. However, sometimes there are suggestions made to someone who seems completely miserable of the "Maybe you should move on" sort and they are the ones who lash out and attack the person. You're representing it as always "Get out of our game" and sometimes it's "You're not happy here. Why are you staying and making yourself miserable?". In a lot of cases, it's the sunken cost fallacy. They have put things into this game and they don't want to walk away. And walking away is hard. I've done it multiple times over 20+ years of MMOs. It's never easy. Sometimes you go back here and there (I still have a now Daybreak Games account and pop into EQII when XIV is down for maint sometimes) and sometimes you can make a clean break. But MMOs are going to change and you can stay and try to give feedback but at a certain point it's just time to throw in the towel.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have issues or complaints that needs be brought to attention, only that this recent trend of doomers predicting the game will collapse just comes off as silly to me.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have issues or complaints that needs be brought to attention, only that this recent trend of doomers predicting the game will collapse just comes off as silly to me.

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And its been around on EVERY-SINGLE-EXPANSION

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I'm not saying that people shouldn't have issues or complaints that needs be brought to attention, only that this recent trend of doomers predicting the game will collapse just comes off as silly to me.

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I think people get hyperbolic about their points and it can be easy to dismiss what they say as doom and gloom because of how bad their take overall can be. That being said, a lot of times there is a point that can be dug through in their doom and gloom and actually be conversed about if you look for it. It's obviously easier to draw attention to your opinion the crazier it is and a lot of the extreme people lean heavily into it. There is a reason clickbait articles and videos work, you want to see the craziness or watch the train wreck because that's how we are wired.

I guess all I am saying is it seems like there is a lot of doom and gloom because it's easier to get attention when you make hyperbolic points so it sounds a lot worse than reality.

Maybe one fifth of the complaints I see here have any real merit. Most of the time, I just roll my eyes at how petty people are.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

The reason this topic always stirs up drama, insults and arguments is the desire for validation.

With FF14 players, this means they chose to play this game, they don't intend to quit any time soon because it's safe and comfy and they want validation that they made a good choice to support it. Complaints go directly against this. This is why many players seem to lash out defensively, tell complainers to leave and even hurl insults around.

Complaints are touching a nerve. If the game was in a healthy state and better than competing games, complaints would be laughed at and ignored. But deep down most people know it isn't in a healthy state. The complaints threaten their fragile copium bubble and they hate it. They'll launch into defensive rants about how special their mediocre game is.

They're not trying to convince us FF14 is a great game. They're trying to fool themselves.

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LOL.

The irony here, is that there are just as many people whom seek validation of their own complaints, and many people who don't get this validation ultimately seek to deploy the same method of throwing around insults, arguments and drama towards people that disagree with their criticisms. Almost like... Disagreeing with them touched a nerve.

A bit of reality but some people seem nigh on utterly incapable of coming to terms that their opinion and criticisms are not fact and proceed to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Can try and take high-ground and play armchair therapy as much as you like, but the reality is it's not just 1 side guilty of it.

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Originally Posted by TheGrimace

Maybe one fifth of the complaints I see here have any real merit. Most of the time, I just roll my eyes at how petty people are.

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It feels worse than usual. I've must have put around 10 people on ignore within the past month alone. Which is...well, more than I've done in the many years of being on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

The reason this topic always stirs up drama, insults and arguments is the desire for validation.

With FF14 players, this means they chose to play this game, they don't intend to quit any time soon because it's safe and comfy and they want validation that they made a good choice to support it. Complaints go directly against this. This is why many players seem to lash out defensively, tell complainers to leave and even hurl insults around.

Complaints are touching a nerve. If the game was in a healthy state and better than competing games, complaints would be laughed at and ignored. But deep down most people know it isn't in a healthy state. The complaints threaten their fragile copium bubble and they hate it. They'll launch into defensive rants about how special their mediocre game is.

They're not trying to convince us FF14 is a great game. They're trying to fool themselves.

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Judging by the amount of negative posts on this forum. I would say the ones seeking validation are complainers.

Victim mentality is strong in this one.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Judging by the amount of negative posts on this forum. I would say the ones seeking validation are complainers.

Victim mentality is strong in this one.

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https://www.enworld.org/media/why-no...jpg.52474/full

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Victim mentality is strong in this one.

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That could be true if there was any victim mentality to speak of, but at least you're trying.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

What's going on with people? Why are so many of you acting like this game is 72 hours away from total collapse? Yeah I know it's a content lull, but think back to the huge content lulls in Shadowbringers. Remember when The Coof was making it so Yoshi P's team had to work from home? Huge long months between update patches? I don't think things right now are as bad as people say they are. Nothing in this game's development is ever going to be perfect.

So calm down, lighten up and stop worrying so much.

Don't we play games like these to get away from the world and it's problems?

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Pretty much why I limit my time here. It gets quite old and has been like this for years.

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Judging by the amount of negative posts on this forum. I would say the ones seeking validation are complainers.

Victim mentality is strong in this one.

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The only victim mentality i see is from white knights "WHY YOU INSULT BEST GAME FF14 LOOK AT HOW BAD WOW IS? SEE FF14 TOTALLY AWESOME"

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Originally Posted by Shinkuno

The only victim mentality i see is from white knights "WHY YOU INSULT BEST GAME FF14 LOOK AT HOW BAD WOW IS? SEE FF14 TOTALLY AWESOME"

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"ffxiv is the best game ever its only losing players because of covid !!!!" is also another good one

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

"ffxiv is the best game ever its only losing players because of covid !!!!" is also another good one

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Meanwhile, EW set the record for highest playerbase to date, and covid-time (ShB) is still viewed as the best expansion. Perhaps because you kept relying on Steam charts as if they meant anything to FFXIV?

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Originally Posted by Striker44

Meanwhile, EW set the record for highest playerbase to date, and covid-time (ShB) is still viewed as the best expansion. Perhaps because you kept relying on Steam charts as if they meant anything to FFXIV?

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All this talk of a high player base and the open world still feels empty.