Disgendered Glams.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Random take unrelated to the topic but I kinda want more Dragon Quest-esque outfits with the tunics and tabards and the obligatory bunny suit.

You might not agree with me, but this is what peak Hero aesthetics looks like.

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I really hope the next time they run the dq event they up the ante bc the rewards just suck out loud.
A slime crown! Hrothgar and viera cant wear it.
The leather gimp mask! I wanna see my characters face.
A minion! Its an enemy no dq fan cares about instead of the sensible option like robbin ood or the slimes.
DQ8 hero set is really great, if they add a mount slime is the obvious choice but they could also add the great sabrecat.

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Originally Posted by XianRo

I really hope the next time they run the dq event they up the ante bc the rewards just suck out loud.
A slime crown! Hrothgar and viera cant wear it.
The leather gimp mask! I wanna see my characters face.
A minion! Its an enemy no dq fan cares about instead of the sensible option like robbin ood or the slimes.
DQ8 hero set is really great, if they add a mount slime is the obvious choice but they could also add the great sabrecat.

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I would give all of my worldly possessions to have a great sabrecat mount.

Also, imagine a metal slime minion that dodges all of your attempts to pet it, along with its fleeing animation.

Aside from the Makai stuff I'm crossing my fingers that they will unlock the Nezha Lady's set for guys (and vice versa)... if only for the chest piece.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Why should I be ok with it? It's removing things that were exclusive to my character type and giving it to a character type that already has more than I do. And in return I get... nothing that I want in return.
Hell, I can't even wear hats on my character.

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It's not removing anything, you still have it. You're putting off big "Thirty-seven presents? But LAST year I got thirty-EIGHT!" energy here.

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Originally Posted by PorxiesRCute

It's not removing anything, you still have it. You're putting off big "Thirty-seven presents? But LAST year I got thirty-EIGHT!" energy here.

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What are you talking about? You play female Aura, you have basically every single glam option in the game available to you bar a couple excptions and keep asking for those to be given to you from race/gender combinations with a fraction of your options. If anyone you have that energy. I can barely wear a fraction of the gear in every given patch because of restrictions on my character, I think we can let ther be some unique things for the race/gender combinations with less options.

It's not lost on me that whenever it's brought up the responses are all people who play female miqo/aura/hyur saying it's selfish to not want to give everything to them. When do I get to use common hairstyles? hats? All this de-genderlocking items really just benefits one group, and that's the group who already has the most options in the game, the female ARR races.
It's fine to have locked gear, to have differences. Gender and Race locked gear is not bad, just let every race/gender combination have their own thing to themselves.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

What are you talking about? You play female Aura, you have basically every single glam option in the game available to you bar a couple excptions and keep asking for those to be given to you from race/gender combinations with a fraction of your options. If anyone you have that energy. I can barely wear a fraction of the gear in every given patch because of restrictions on my character, I think we can let ther be some unique things for the race/gender combinations with less options.

It's not lost on me that whenever it's brought up the responses are all people who play female miqo/aura/hyur saying it's selfish to not want to give everything to them. When do I get to use common hairstyles? hats? All this de-genderlocking items really just benefits one group, and that's the group who already has the most options in the game, the female ARR races.
It's fine to have locked gear, to have differences. Gender and Race locked gear is not bad, just let every race/gender combination have their own thing to themselves.

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Idk man I've been wanting to be able to put my bun into the male's Valentione set since it first came out. I also have always liked the Boulevardier's ruffled shirt for the longest time. Now I can wear it. Just need to figure out a look that I'd like to use it for. Just because you don't like the dresses or want to put your bun boy into non masculine stuff doesn't mean there isn't plenty who do wish too. Heck I think the maid outfit probably looks the best on bun boys which just makes me fairly envious.

Oh and Au Ra aren't an ARR race. At least not one you could make a character as. For all we knew at the time Yugiri could have been a rat.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Oh and Au Ra aren't an ARR race. At least not one you could make a character as. For all we knew at the time Yugiri could have been a rat.

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If you're nitpicking that hard and gettting that pedantic at my post then it's pretty clear I have a solid argument.

Like I said, it's just a purely "I want" out of people who play female characters. Nevermind that I've seen quite a few of the people replying to me in the viera threads arguing that we "should have known" we weren't going to be able to wear the AF gear for a number of jobs or for savage/alliance raid gear. Then, it changes when its somethign they want and can't use.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

What are you talking about? You play female Aura, you have basically every single glam option in the game available to you bar a couple excptions and keep asking for those to be given to you from race/gender combinations with a fraction of your options. If anyone you have that energy. I can barely wear a fraction of the gear in every given patch because of restrictions on my character, I think we can let ther be some unique things for the race/gender combinations with less options.

It's not lost on me that whenever it's brought up the responses are all people who play female miqo/aura/hyur saying it's selfish to not want to give everything to them. When do I get to use common hairstyles? hats? All this de-genderlocking items really just benefits one group, and that's the group who already has the most options in the game, the female ARR races.
It's fine to have locked gear, to have differences. Gender and Race locked gear is not bad, just let every race/gender combination have their own thing to themselves.

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Bro, I can be just as mean and say every Viera is bent on making any thread about how they're missing hairs and headpieces.

Before you gatekeep my comment, I was male Viera for a couple of weeks and changed off him because of lacking both nicer male outfit options and headpieces.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

What are you talking about? You play female Aura, you have basically every single glam option in the game available to you bar a couple excptions and keep asking for those to be given to you from race/gender combinations with a fraction of your options. If anyone you have that energy. I can barely wear a fraction of the gear in every given patch because of restrictions on my character, I think we can let ther be some unique things for the race/gender combinations with less options.

It's not lost on me that whenever it's brought up the responses are all people who play female miqo/aura/hyur saying it's selfish to not want to give everything to them. When do I get to use common hairstyles? hats? All this de-genderlocking items really just benefits one group, and that's the group who already has the most options in the game, the female ARR races.
It's fine to have locked gear, to have differences. Gender and Race locked gear is not bad, just let every race/gender combination have their own thing to themselves.

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People who want glam to be un-genderlocked are more likely to be on your side regarding Hrothgar and Viera hats, my dude. Maybe don't try so hard to alienate your allies.

(Edit) Also, a large part of why I play a female character despite being male IRL is because the glam options are better. If stuff was unlocked and guys could wear whatever girls wore, and if more care was put into how dresses etc. display on men so they don't look like memelords, I'd fanta in a heartbeat.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

If you're nitpicking that hard and gettting that pedantic at my post then it's pretty clear I have a solid argument.

Like I said, it's just a purely "I want" out of people who play female characters. Nevermind that I've seen quite a few of the people replying to me in the viera threads arguing that we "should have known" we weren't going to be able to wear the AF gear for a number of jobs or for savage/alliance raid gear. Then, it changes when its somethign they want and can't use.

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Because you shouldn't assume any hat is going to work on a Viera or Hrothgar once the devs stated that was going to be a thing due to their unique head shape. Do I get disappointed a little when a new hat or helmet doesn't show when I try it on? Sure, but then I also tend to not like most of the hats or helmets in the game. Even some of the ones I like I like them more on other people's characters. The only thing that bugs me is that even though I most likely won't wear it or like it I just like to know what it looks like as even though they try hard with the icons that's just a flat surface. Of course I'm probably an outlier as I don't mind much of the problems the race I chose to play has. I finally got a hairstyle that's one of my favorites this patch. The only strange thing is they didn't give us the no bangs variant. The only other thing I don't like is how stiff some of the female Viera's emotes are. Joy and happy are probably the biggest offenders. I only nitpicked about the Au Ra thing in hopes you'd stop lumping them in with the original races.

These people don't know that males can do rocking on female glams as well :)

Meh, I rather not as some stuff looks absolutely horrendous on different genders. Doesn't fit character model

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

These people don't know that males can do rocking on female glams as well :)

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It takes a lot of work to make it look good... cause yeah the male shapes they have do NOT work with some tops, but I've done what I can with my elezen and short of being able to shorten the width of my shoulders... this is the best yer gonna get:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/257fc785...ff5c0a747c.jpg

That said, outside of asking me, I'm never wearing the top to that set. Nope. Not happening outside of I have it, my rp partner has it "wouldn't it be cute to show off the matching couple?" pics.

I really enjoy dressing male Roegadyn in female outfit to portrait as a big size woman (not in troll way mind you). It's quite a challenge but mostly I satisfied with the result :)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...zBgqBrC0ZJ.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...s2JnsJPSz5.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3qE0IDkN4m.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...CRIl7lNXTO.png

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I really enjoy dressing male Roegadyn in female outfit to portrait as a big size woman (not in troll way mind you). It's quite a challenge but mostly I satisfied with the result :)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...zBgqBrC0ZJ.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...s2JnsJPSz5.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3qE0IDkN4m.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...CRIl7lNXTO.png

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I get Bunny (from PPG) vibes. I approve!

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

These people don't know that males can do rocking on female glams as well :)

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its surprising sometimes I saw 2 male au ra in the socialate set and they made that look way better than most females with it.

There is too much trend chasing and too little style in characters in this game. And by characters I mean player characters.

Don't care if they unlock everything for every race/sex. If that gives the people with some sense style more block to work with it's just win in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by ASkellington

It takes a lot of work to make it look good... cause yeah the male shapes they have do NOT work with some tops, but I've done what I can with my elezen and short of being able to shorten the width of my shoulders... this is the best yer gonna get:

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That said, outside of asking me, I'm never wearing the top to that set. Nope. Not happening outside of I have it, my rp partner has it "wouldn't it be cute to show off the matching couple?" pics.

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Tops are really a sticking point for how the gendered gear looks on the other gender.

For me, the feminine outfits that are clearly shaped to feature the bust, but then flattened out for a male character with no other alteration, look unflattering to me at a design perspective.

Other ones, like the new glamour one you're wearing above, look good because they do fit male bodies. (The female version of that top fits so much nicer than the male version, which looks sloppy with the lopsided tie and the shirt that looks like it's supposed to be tucked in. I feel like "short vs long sleeves" would have been the better way to go for variants, and keep the fitted bodice and neat tie constant.)

I think the dirndl vest could look cute with a different style of shirt under it, but not as it is.


Going in the opposite direction, there are a few shirt styles (like Yda's shirt and the Holy Rainbow sets) that seem inherently masculine designs because the shirt is open-fronted, and they just add a bra on the female version. I don't like those on female characters because it changes the vibe from "casual" to "look, you can see my underwear". Also the Infantry shirt which doesn't even bother adding the bra, just leaves it open at the middle front with a few straps holding it together.


Edit to be clear, because I might have sounded a bit harsh: This is my thoughts for picking my own characters' outfits; if people feel otherwise about their characters then that's none of my business.

I don't understand it. Roegs or Hroths etc wearing dresses and wanting to look like big size "woman" like the post above..
Seems more like a weird fetish..
It doesn't look cute in any way, guess i'm not woke enough :p
People can wear what they want and options are good, but when I see a a guy in a dress and its not Halloween i'm walking around them.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Also unisex means it fits the both not what we have here. A pig can wear lipstick doesn't mean it looks good on it

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If the pig thinks it looks good, it looks good.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

What are you talking about? You play female Aura, you have basically every single glam option in the game available to you bar a couple excptions and keep asking for those to be given to you from race/gender combinations with a fraction of your options. If anyone you have that energy. I can barely wear a fraction of the gear in every given patch because of restrictions on my character, I think we can let ther be some unique things for the race/gender combinations with less options.

It's not lost on me that whenever it's brought up the responses are all people who play female miqo/aura/hyur saying it's selfish to not want to give everything to them. When do I get to use common hairstyles? hats? All this de-genderlocking items really just benefits one group, and that's the group who already has the most options in the game, the female ARR races.
It's fine to have locked gear, to have differences. Gender and Race locked gear is not bad, just let every race/gender combination have their own thing to themselves.

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So you personally are affected by restriction of choice, but then when someone else has the exact same complaint as you, you call it invalid because they have "more" (which they don't because there is no rule dictating who looks good in what, it's all subjective). Your argument doesn't make any sense to me. I'd think if you really cared about having choice and variety, you'd actually want it for everyone and not just you.

I need Aymeric’s attire plus hair and the fairtytale prince

I will sit here waiting patiently for Nezha Lord, Far Eastern Schoolboy (-cries in Viera over the hat-), and Eastern Lord Errant to be gender unlocked.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I care about variety and having things that look good on my character. It's not lost on me that the people looking to dunk on me in this thread are many of the same who come into threads about viera being an incomplete race saying "too bad", or that it's been exclusively female characters looking to have male glams as well.

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Read the thread again. Half the discussion in this thread is people with male characters looking to get female glamour pieces.

Also, the gear that looks good on a character is not the same thing as gear that a character can equip. As someone who plays multiple characters of different races, each one of them has gear that suits them and gear that looks awful on them. It's not just a gender divide – even two characters of the same race/gender can suit different styles of outfits and look bad in something that suits the other.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

I care about variety and having things that look good on my character.

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Then why is exclusivity important at all? Exclusvity has never made an outfit more appealing to me, it's also never created variety, it only ever does the opposite by removing possible combinations that you might have otherwise seen.

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It's not lost on me that the people looking to dunk on me

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Disagreeing with you is not dunking.

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many of the same who come into threads about viera being an incomplete race saying "too bad", or that it's been exclusively female characters looking to have male glams as well.

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You do know at the minimum you have 8 character slots in FF14? Why can't I be a Viera and be upset at the limited options they have, or be a male character in game and want some female clothing options because they're better than the male ones?

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Fact is female glams look bad on male characters unless you have a thing for crossdressing, a problem female characters don't have.

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This is the furthest thing from a fact. What looks good is subjective only. That is the fact. Your problem isn't one of gender, it's that you have a narrow selection of styles that you like to wear. That's fine, but it doesn't mean that the game needs to revolve around your particular tastes.

100 years ago pink was a "masculine" color. 200 years ago men would put on wigs and strut around in heels. 500 years ago, having purposely impractical shoes that interfered with your ability to perform basic tasks was a status symbol for upper class males. This stuff changes like the wind.

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So, it really only benefits female characters to have these de gendered.

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All are benefited equally by having more choice. You may not like every option available to you, but you're not the only player.

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It removes what's unique about male characters and gives their unique looks to people who already have most of the game catered to them. It's infuriating to have a few good glams that looks good on your character and some catgirl comes by and just yoink I'll take that too.

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The male body is different from the female body, and the important differences can be detected even through clothing. A man wearing the same outfit as a woman can still look distinct, so I don't really agree that anything is lost. At least with all options unlocked variety is maximized and no one is left wanting something that they arbitrarily are banned from having.

If make and female bodies are different then perhaps they should have different items that are made to look good on their specific models, perhaps gender exclusive gear?

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

If make and female bodies are different then perhaps they should have different items that are made to look good on their specific models, perhaps gender exclusive gear?

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Yet in Real Life you find people in different clothing who are comfortable with clothes that aren't necessarily of their gender, or has been part of their gender for a long time but people have forgotten/part of their customs.(won't say how many, since many are adjacent.., just Kilts and Small Clothes..,) there are many hidden and seen clothing that all have the option to wear. and once it reaches a certain point the lines blur and may as well be the same thing.

No one denies the fact of Good Glamour/Gear items will always be good, but just cause it's designed for one body type, doesn't mean the other should be locked out, as your previous comments have tried to push to.

that's just asking devs to make more Gender Inspired gear(we just want them, to make them not Genderlocked day 0) which the vast majority have nothing against.(if anything more gender leaning clothes has been the more popular item for the other gender. male or female.)

Potatoes are not be bound by the whims of sexual dimorphism. We'll look good in everything.
What's the point of providing lalafell as a race option if I can't fully embrace being a gender gremlin?

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

If make and female bodies are different then perhaps they should have different items that are made to look good on their specific models, perhaps gender exclusive gear?

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I laughed when I just realized you weren't a female bun.

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Originally Posted by Estecka

Potatoes are not be bound by the whims of sexual dimorphism. We'll look good in everything.
What's the point of providing lalafell as a race option if I can't fully embrace being a gender gremlin?

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Gremlin superiority.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

items that are made to look good on their specific models

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Fine with me.

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perhaps gender exclusive gear?

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Why does preventing other people from using the gear make it more valuable? Exclusive is pointless to me.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I really enjoy dressing male Roegadyn in female outfit to portrait as a big size woman (not in troll way mind you). It's quite a challenge but mostly I satisfied with the result :)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...zBgqBrC0ZJ.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...s2JnsJPSz5.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3qE0IDkN4m.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...CRIl7lNXTO.png

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you're not far off from Ladiva vibes, so always going to approve of best girl

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

I don't understand it. Roegs or Hroths etc wearing dresses and wanting to look like big size "woman" like the post above..
Seems more like a weird fetish..

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Not everyone into a skeleton, Mary.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

you're not far off from Ladiva vibes, so always going to approve of best girl

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Oh I love that character, was not intended to look like her but probably I'll do :)

You may think you are ‘rocking’ it but many others dont. *shrug* it looks bad

Every time I come across a pretty glam piece on a fem char that I can't wear on my male one, I weep. ): Really do hope they eventually make level 1 replica versions of the Neo-Ishgardian and Nier sets in particular that anyone can wear regardless of gender. I actually bought one of the Neo-Ish sets when I was newer to the game thinking I'd get the dress out of it and then found out how gendered it is when I went to go make a glam plate with it. Oops.

Oh, and the Makai butterfly hairpiece. I would give anything to be able to wear that clip. D:<

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I really enjoy dressing male Roegadyn in female outfit to portrait as a big size woman (not in troll way mind you). It's quite a challenge but mostly I satisfied with the result :)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...zBgqBrC0ZJ.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...s2JnsJPSz5.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...3qE0IDkN4m.pnghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...CRIl7lNXTO.png

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gods, I love your roe! Just absolutely rocking it in every pic. :O

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Originally Posted by Nyxs

You may think you are ‘rocking’ it but many others dont. *shrug* it looks bad

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uh, so? you may put together glamours while considering closely what other people like your look. thats fine, you're free to do so.
but dont expect everyone to coordinate their glamours the same way as you do, please