Is There a Way to Make Eureka [b]Not[/b] Suck?

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't agree with this because I had far more social interaction in Eureka because of its difficulty level. Everyone would talk in the shout that, banter together for hours waiting for NMs to spawn, join parties for NMs, spawn parties, challenge log parties, reflect farms, cold-warped/heat-warped/moist-warped farms, logogram farms.

In Bozja, you join a party to farm fates, for CEs and for cluster farms. That's mostly it. Because nobody was waiting for NMs, they didn't have much to discuss, so the shout chat wasn't nearly as busy when it released. Why talk when there is always a fate up and always fighting to do?

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This may have been the way it was run at launch but now it's a ghost town. Even before I moved to dynamis there would be 5-10 people tops in anemos and all of them would be afk waiting for someone to spawn an NM.
This is one and done content. People do it and then they're gone. Trying to force rules about needing x number of players to group just to complete it is pretty absurd when there's a fraction of the players in these zones than they were designed for.

I think that seems to be a big issue with discussion of Bozja and Eureka both, along with older content in general. People who did it at launch when it was heavily populated advocate against making them any better for the people who are now forced to do it underpopulated. It's just flat out not the same. It's like if someone was extremely against trusts in FFXI because they didn't get to do the story solo and needed to do the content grouped when it wasn't dead. How often do you people actually go back and play this again? Run other players through? Run through it solo from the beginning? It seems there's always a huge pushback to changing old content but never really any push to run that content "as intended".

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Originally Posted by R041

No I totally get that, I don't really want difficulty removed. I appreciate that about it. There's just no opportunity FOR social interaction as a newbie in each area. Chances are there aren't other newbies there your level so you're kinda on your own for the first 5 or so. I at least wish there was a Party Sync to let you sync down to the lowest level in the party. Otherwise you don't even SEE that social interaction, it's not possible for me to party with them, and we often would have to kick as soon as someone was 2 levels higher.

Most of that interaction usually happens at each area's max level. Where I think we need more opportunities for the whole tier. Sync would do that. It's where Bozja succeeds. But the issue with in Bozja is you don't need the interaction because you don't need spawn parties like you do in Eureka.

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True. The massive amount of leveling required made Eureka daunting to anyone getting into it late, because at first it's just a small amount of levels but by the end it's 60 levels to get through. I think that is what led to using ranks into of levels for Bozja, a clever way to have levels without having most of the drawbacks of them.

I was able to participate in higher level NMs myself by using Paladin and being extremely careful or using Hallowed Ground and Clemency. I would walk over dead red mages all the time and I hardly ever died at all in my whole time doing it, before any of the buffs and nerfs. I actually survived the max level big bosses of each area without dying, completely blind, just winging the mechanics, running out and using mitigation if I wasn't sure.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

This is one and done content. People do it and then they're gone. Trying to force rules about needing x number of players to group just to complete it is pretty absurd when there's a fraction of the players in these zones than they were designed for.

How often do you people actually go back and play this again? Run other players through? Run through it solo from the beginning? It seems there's always a huge pushback to changing old content but never really any push to run that content "as intended".

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I don't know if this is necessarily true - It's one of the most active groups of people doing casual content I'd say. The low numbers might just be because of the overall content lull so subs are kinda low. But I can say I ran through the whole 1-60 a few months ago and it was such a breath of fresh air. As long as I had 1-2 people with me in a group at the same exact level, we were having a ton of fun doing actual MMO content for once.

But that's also why I'm saying we need sync, because the barrier to entry is insane - Imagine if that barrier wasn't there, and we could actually help people level properly. It would be so much more popular. There's still a lot to gain there, so there's runs for all sorts of stuff in every zone. There are people in my FC that want to do it, but are all scattered through different levels so they feel discouraged and just ignore it knowing they'd have to play by themselves essentially.

Hopefully those cards end up in a moogle event or you find some way to get them friend, doing something soul sucking is tedious, so sorry I couldn't offer any solutions but I hope u get those cards one way or another.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

This may have been the way it was run at launch but now it's a ghost town. Even before I moved to dynamis there would be 5-10 people tops in anemos and all of them would be afk waiting for someone to spawn an NM.

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Usually when I have gone into any Eureka area post-Stormblood there has been 20-144 people in there. This is my experience on both Crystal and Aether and I usually go in at the most dead hours. 20-40 is the average, 144 is when there is a BA run happening in Hydatos. It depends if a new patch has just released that everyone is busy with and the time of day.

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Trying to force rules about needing x number of players to group just to complete it is pretty absurd when there's a fraction of the players in these zones than they were designed for.

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Eureka NMs actually always scaled to the amount of players in the zone from the start. Even at release, if you were alone in Eureka, you could solo the NMs, although the higher level ones became more difficult.

Now we get buffs such as The Echo, elemental gear sold on the market board and we can still get the Elemental buffs that are around the map. NMs are more realistic to solo spawn now as well.

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I think that seems to be a big issue with discussion of Bozja and eureka both, people who did it at launch when both were heavily populated advocating against making them any better for the people who are now forced to solo them.

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Now that it's old content, yes, of course I agreed it would need some buffs and nerfs, but those already happened. The Echo, the reduced spawn rate and the fact you don't have to fight the big boss of each area anymore because you can buy the special item with NM crystals instead.

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How often do you people actually go back and play this again?

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A lot, actually, because there are lots of missed rewards, mounts, minions, gear, additional relics or BA runs people want. It's also been used for poetic farming.

I need only 2 cards, but they're locked behind 4 (!) extreme trials. I'd rather do Eureka again.

It takes less than 11 hours to complete Eureka start to finish solo.

its not that bad.

The eureka cards are not too hard to obtain since they can be won via an NPC once you unlock the area. That said...
*screams in Memoria Misera (Extreme)*

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

The eureka cards are not too hard to obtain since they can be won via an NPC once you unlock the area. That said...
*screams in Memoria Misera (Extreme)*

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Make a PF, lets go.
Its a 2 minute fight with 1 mechanic nowdays

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Originally Posted by Joven

I'm not sure how Bozja ended up working when Eureka failed.

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Eureka didn't fail. Imagine saying it failed when it's still active over half a decade later

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Originally Posted by R041

Because Bozja does a better job of letting you interact with players. Eureka really makes this super painful and even punishes you for trying to work with others unless they're your exact level. I only started really enjoying Eureka once I had someone my level and we formed parties with multiple people every chance we had. Doing this grind solo is absolutely soul sucking, slow and boring.

Eureka needs to be fixed, it needs level sync, and they need to take out the stupid penalties.

I have almost 0 opportunity to go in and help my newbie friends. I can only try and prep FATEs for them, or worst case is de-level to actually help them directly.

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...tag and bag, can you do it?

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Wow got bored of the machinist one trick so got a new shtick huh?

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I have no shtick, just facts at my disposal

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Eureka didn't fail. Imagine saying it failed when it's still active over half a decade later



...tag and bag, can you do it?



I have no shtick, just facts at my disposal

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It didn't fail, no. You are correct. But it wasn't universally praised by the player base either. A lot of people simply never bothered, and I don't blame them. I've gone through the relic process twice in Eureka, and I've returned a couple of other times just for some of the armor sets for glamour. Can't say I enjoyed the experience any of those times, and I'm far from alone in feeling this way. Even Bozja was more popular, but I think that was mostly because of the easy access and lower time investment required to do anything.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

...tag and bag, can you do it?

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What, tagging mobs? It's super nerfed in Eureka. You get 0 exp depending on what level the killer was, and if the % you dealt was low. It's why people get pissed when you AoE a pull and you're not in their party, you've effectively culled the exp by half or more if they were leveling and not trying to spawn. It completely discourages coop unless you're the same exact level.

Which you can't easily tell if someone's leveling or trying to spawn to begin with, so there's a lot of shouting sometimes. Always best to ask for a party before making assumptions. Then of course you can't gain exp if someone's a few levels higher in the party. lol

I love Eureka, I just think the barrier to entry really sucks. Me helping someone lower level by them soloing and me only being able to heal them does not feel good. Especially when I know 2-3 players doing a proper tank/dps group running big pulls gives you massive exp comparatively.

System's all jacked up.

I tried Eureka as well. I tried playing it with two people, tried playing it with someone who knew the ins and outs of it. It wasn't fun, it stimulated barely any casual talk because when low level it's not as faceroll. At the end of the day we're just killing mobs, but navigating to avoid hard hitters was annoying as heck especially when getting to FATEs.

I got to Pagos before I lost the third friend I played with, and haven't gone back since. Don't know where to start. The zone dies some more each passing day, so I feel some actual FOMO for not trying to tear through content I hate sooner when it had people.

I dislike Bozja as well, did CLL and was so relieved to be done with a segment like that that I haven't gone there either.

Do tell me the point of the zone again and again, tell me how it's genius to clone decades old design, how it's masterfully imitating FFXI. Would just make me resent that the creators thought cloning content from another game and making it such a huge part of an expansion is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Do tell me the point of the zone again and again, tell me how it's genius to clone decades old design, how it's masterfully imitating FFXI. Would just make me resent that the creators thought cloning content from another game and making it such a huge part of an expansion is a good idea.

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Honestly, they did a poor job of imitating FF XI. It's one of those things you'd have to experience for yourself to really understand. FF XI was brutal and frustrating, but it was rewarding and magical, in my opinion. I have never experienced anything quite like it, and I likely never will again. Every step you took was hard won, but that made the journey memorable. Eureka was a lot of things. FF XI wasn't really one of them. A few references and a couple of pieces of FF XI glamours doesn't really change that. They threw us some glamour pieces, added some reskinned bosses with the same names as their FF XI counterparts and told us to grind Fates until we wanted to vomit. That was not FF XI. That was FF XIV Fate grinding with a not-so-fresh coat of paint.

I don't think there's any content in the game everyone likes. Instead of complaining about old content you dislike use that time to get things done.

Anemos is the extremely slow part due to low numbers but you can just challenge log through it with like 2(?) completions? Fill your challenge log, go do something else until next reset, fill log again and be done with Anemos. The next three zones, join content achievers discord, find some farmers on your DC, join a FATE train and complete the rest of the three zones in a week (you'll need to farm a lot more for bunnies and relics but if you just want to get to Baldesion Arsenal then minimal farming is required). You can complete Hydatos in like an hour with a friendly reaper.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

I don't agree with this because I had far more social interaction in Eureka because of its difficulty level. Everyone would talk in the shout that, banter together for hours waiting for NMs to spawn, join parties for NMs, spawn parties, challenge log parties, reflect farms, cold-warped/heat-warped/moist-warped farms, logogram farms.

In Bozja, you join a party to farm fates, for CEs and for cluster farms. That's mostly it. Because nobody was waiting for NMs, they didn't have much to discuss, so the shout chat wasn't nearly as busy when it released. Why talk when there is always a fate up and always fighting to do?

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This is exactly why I love Eureka, it made the MMO feel like an MMO. When each zone released they were some of the most fun times I've had in this game.

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

I need only 2 cards, but they're locked behind 4 (!) extreme trials. I'd rather do Eureka again.

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I prefer the EX trials. At least they're engaging and don't make me feel like suck-starting a shotgun.

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Originally Posted by weebtext

This is exactly why I love Eureka, it made the MMO feel like an MMO. When each zone released they were some of the most fun times I've had in this game.

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I feel like it would have done that for me... had it just been a bit more polished.

The active deterrents from playing with friends of higher level, the poor scaling for low-player instances, the ill-conception of the Elemental Wheel, the (slightly, to significantly) excessive grind lengths, the lack of things to do between NMs and basic mob farms (no elite mobs nor set mob packs with varied or synergetic abilities to strategize against), and other small issues weighed badly against what otherwise would have been, I suspect, broadly seen as some of the most fun and iconic duties attempted at the time.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I don't think there's any content in the game everyone likes. Instead of complaining about old content you dislike use that time to get things done.

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I do get things done, but after I get it done there is another thing I want to do and it is gated behind content I find dull.

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Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest

Yes, because that's how the real badass hardcore gamers did it back in the day, and not the modern weak pansy gammons.
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These same «*hardcore*» players are now older with families, back then people had more time on their hands. Now not so much, you can make difficult content without it being annoying or cheap as hell.

And I’m sorry but Bozja/Eureka are mindless mob and fate farm, there’s nothing difficult about it. It’s just a matter of being cautious and not pulling too many mobs. If you call that difficulty, I can’t imagine what you’ll say about actual difficult games with a long learning curve.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

These same «*hardcore*» players are now older with families, back then people had more time on their hands. Now not so much, you can make difficult content without it being annoying or cheap as hell.

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I definitely don't have the drive that I did back then, that's for sure. I'm too "old" for that crap now. The memories I made are good enough for me.

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Originally Posted by Joven

I do get things done, but after I get it done there is another thing I want to do and it is gated behind content I find dull.

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Just how is man. Every player encounters this at some point. Gotta measure the worth of what you want to get

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Originally Posted by Joven

I do get things done, but after I get it done there is another thing I want to do and it is gated behind content I find dull.

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I find it dull to do pvp to farm for the glam but I do it anyway, you can't love evert part of the MMO and maybe the content just don't cater to your type of gameplay. It don't mean it should be changed too.

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

I find it dull to do pvp to farm for the glam but I do it anyway, you can't love evert part of the MMO and maybe the content just don't cater to your type of gameplay. It don't mean it should be changed too.

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...This line of argument seems pretty unproductive, especially before having any idea what that "catering" would even look like (or, more importantly, whether parts of it wouldn't be an improvement for some 99% of Eureka-goers).

Uh, the only thing I would change is a reduction in the cooldown timer for when FATEs are next available, 120 minutes in my personal opinion is too much. Equally, I would look at the requirements to spawn these.

It's not bad once you've gone through the level cap, got your logograms, and Kirin / Elemental gear, but it certainly isn't new player friendly at certain times of the patch/expansion which is an issue.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

...This line of argument seems pretty unproductive, especially before having any idea what that "catering" would even look like (or, more importantly, whether parts of it wouldn't be an improvement for some 99% of Eureka-goers).

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While we agree it would be okay if people could sync and do content with different levels, we don't want to remove the punishing mechanic like xp lose on death and the grind for xp. Simply put, some people love this kind of challenge and it dosen't really exist anywhere else in the game.

The rest of the game don't apply those rules. It just pure entitlement when people come and complain for change on the single kind of content that cater to people who like that type of experience.

Don't love that type of content? To bad, other people does and they can have their cakes too.

They'll probably do something in the future to make the content even more bearable; probably even solo'able eventually.

My only worry about people who find Eureka problematic this early on; is that they haven't even made it to the truly troubling Eureka content yet. :(

Hang in there!

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

I find it dull to do pvp to farm for the glam but I do it anyway, you can't love evert part of the MMO and maybe the content just don't cater to your type of gameplay. It don't mean it should be changed too.

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It's not like I'm asking them to rebuild it from the ground up or anything, just add something more than "kill X number of mobs, do FATE, rinse, repeat" for hours on end.

Also, there have been calls for an overhaul for as long as that content has existed. I'm not the first to complain about it nor am I going to be the last.

I'm also trying to get all the cards and when I found out I had to do Eureka I audibly groaned.

Eureka is meant to "emulate" the FFXI atmosphere and difficulty of random mobs fights. It is also a semi-hardcore experience which looks at the past and improves it by gifting to the progress one makes, some of the most valuable items in the game.

If you want to win easy, Eureka is not meant for you.

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Originally Posted by RexArtis

Eureka is meant to "emulate" the FFXI atmosphere and difficulty of random mobs fights. It is also a semi-hardcore experience which looks at the past and improves it by gifting to the progress one makes, some of the most valuable items in the game.
If you want to win easy, Eureka is not meant for you.

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When did I ever say I wanted an easy win?

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Originally Posted by CactusBlossom

I'm also trying to get all the cards and when I found out I had to do Eureka I audibly groaned.

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I think the cards should be tradeable between players. Not sold on the MB though, a straight trade between two people. I really enjoyed the Nier raids and ran them constantly when they came out. I lost count of the number 2B cards I sold to the Gold Saucer. Same for when I went after the Gwiber of Light. I had sold at least 8 Shadowbringers Warrior Light cards by the time I was done. I feel like this is a wasted oportunity for more player interaction and a way to allow players an alternative to getting the mount. It's not like they haven't given other gated things out in easier to access ways.

If I could sell the amount of card dupes from Eureka on Market board, I would have done. I think I only had to pray harder on Pyros with Penny because her weather spawns tend to mostly go along with Pagos' Fog which in the end people prefer the latter so she gets farmed way less.

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Originally Posted by Joven

When did I ever say I wanted an easy win?

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You did it now, in this your very question.

But, to answer you properly, I say that the term 'you' in English is also plural. So if you answer like you have just done, you are simply underlining that something is hurting you, while you should not because you opened this thread complaining for a feature a lot of people loves and plays (I am an Eureka player and it is a very crowded instance).

Crying like you are doing, won't change anything.

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Originally Posted by Joven

When did I ever say I wanted an easy win?

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Come on man, a brand new account made less than 4 days ago with an abrasive hot take? He's about as obvious as FireMage with his trolling.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Come on man, a brand new account made less than 4 days ago with an abrasive hot take? He's about as obvious as FireMage with his trolling.

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Don't forget the pretentious "quote myself in my own signature" maneuver.

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Originally Posted by VerdeLuck

Come on man, a brand new account made less than 4 days ago with an abrasive hot take? He's about as obvious as FireMage with his trolling.

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That's how you welcome a person new to the forum. Do you think that 400+ posts make you a more reasonable poster than me? I don't think so.

Plus: you are totally off-topic with your arguments about me. This is a clear indication that you have no arguments left.

And to finish: If it's the number that counts for you, don't worry: I'll post daily and surpass you soon, because with kindness I'll answer to all your posts if and when you'll nominate me again.

I advice you to ignore me.

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Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest

Don't forget the pretentious "quote myself in my own signature" maneuver.

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The more you talk of me, the more I answer.

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Originally Posted by RexArtis

That's how you welcome a person new to the forum. Do you think that 400+ posts make you a more reasonable poster than me? I don't think so.
Plus: you are totally off-topic with your arguments about me. This is a clear indication that you have no arguments left.
And to finish: If it's the number that counts for you, don't worry: I'll post daily and surpass you soon, because with kindness I'll answer to all your posts if and when you'll nominate me again.
I advice you to ignore me.

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I like thinking the best of people myself but rarely does my ideals match reality. Sorry m8. :/