When spreding cheer and goodwill on christmas day can get you in trouble

Merry Christmas OP & anyone else reading this.

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

empty and meaningless??? sounds like someone is projecting there issues onto others... I do everything in good faith with no malice, sounds like you would do harm to others and laugh about it like it's a funny joke...

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Yeah that is why someone told the OP that they were going to report them. Clearly it was seen as a harmless action by all.

Sorry is a waste of space and I think in reality the thought that counts does not fly. Trash is trash.

If someone told you no, did you leave them alone?

Spreading cheer & goodwill? I wouldn’t mind that… if I know you.

That’s right, I don’t know what strangers’ thinking, unfortunately. Depending on what you meant by ‘interaction’, a simple DM asking permission to do just that wouldn’t get much of a pushback. But if said interaction is something like an abrupt trading/invitation request… please no. Granted, I wouldn’t react with such animosity, but remember that at the moment, it’s an “I don’t know you—you don’t know me”-situation. It’s only right to ask, or better yet, just give a shout (not spam!) letting the zone know where you are & to trade you if they want to.

There are 364 other days of the year to show kindness and plenty of other ways to do so. Again, consider the recipients & bystanders and where they might be coming from if they don't respond well. It's better to just let them be and leave things alone. I swear we had one of these threads last year. with me saying the same thing. :p

While I wouldn't be the type to snap at you that way, and think that the person acted just a smidge unreasonably, people here suggesting that announcing your want to trade out cookies and such have a sensible take. Either way sorry that you had that happen on Christmas, and I hope you had a nice one nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Yeah that is why someone told the OP that they were going to report them. Clearly it was seen as a harmless action by all.

Sorry is a waste of space and I think in reality the thought that counts does not fly. Trash is trash.

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Someone didn't get any presents irl seems like and need to take it on others :/

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

This time of year means different things to different people. Not everyone is ready to deal with all that in game, especially on a day where they might have been with family.

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Sometimes we just wish our closest family could still be with us and join us.

After losing my sister to breast cancer, I shifted from the "yay xmas" side to the "damn, this time of year is tough" side.

One can put on a brave face. and be nice to strangers, but by gosh, that grief gets tough at this time of year.

(Still no cause for OP's grump to be a grump though - sometimes this community just sucks)

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Sometimes we just wish our closest family could still be with us and join us.

After losing my sister to breast cancer, I shifted from the "yay xmas" side to the "damn, this time of year is tough" side.

One can put on a brave face. and be nice to strangers, but by gosh, that grief gets tough at this time of year.

(Still no cause for OP's grump to be a grump though - sometimes this community just sucks)

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Very sorry for your loss Shibi. :(

It's all about how/what goes down.


No idea how you go about it, so I'll write out how I do it- it's never gotten me any trouble in the years of doing it.

(How I do it)

Annually, I do a shout to give away the Dream Tunic set in all 3 cities, but I shout only once every 15 min,with a smaller yell every 5..and even then there's a "Sorry for the spam" line.

The shout is 4 lines, explaining what I'm doing and that if people want it to come to me at the Skywatcher and /trade me.. or stand around me jumping and I'll trade you as I can.

I don't move around, I don't aggressively /trade randomly/unsolicited, etc. If people say they already have it I tell them they can regift or sell it if they like, I don't care :)

After 30m to an hour, I move on to the next city (Depends on the vibe/if people are crowding and having fun/playing music).

I'm not saying my way is THE way, but I am curious what if anything you were doing differently to get an idiot mad at you. Who knows right? Maybe you were just standing in their "designated spot" -_-.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Someone didn't get any presents irl seems like and need to take it on others :/

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Nah, I just dislike when people use one day out the year to spread cheer instead of doing it throughout the year. I cannot help but feel this was just some case of a person wanting to seem some brownie points over what largely amounts to a meaningless action inside of a video game just to make themselves feel better. The intent just seems less about spreading cheer to others and more so to make themselves happy or feel better.

Call me an ass but it has always rubbed me the wrong way when people all of sudden become so caring and giving around this time of year but do not do the same throughout the year. Never been a fan of empty platitudes.

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

I was handing out cookies to folks in Limsa when a person whom I never interacted with came up to me and said "idc, go away, or get reported for harassment" When do folks say enough is enough with 4heads like this? all I was doing was spreading good cheer to folks and giving cookies out to others. So I stopped and left limsa....what a way to spoil things for others who only have good intentions. I would name and shame them but I would get in trouble.

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No matter the intension.... millions of people play this game and many of these people do not celebrate Xmas at all, that also explains all the different themes that has been each year in FFXIV that relate to many different things and traditions if often relating more to the Winter Solstice.

Try and keep religion and politics outside of the game and you most likely will not run into these problems again, don't take people for granted either.

On the topic of that, on a server I'm on another person was also going around giving cookies. In the same location I was going to meet a friend to do a trade, and she barely noticed that she almost gave away 1m gil to that person because they started trade with her before I could. She was just attentive enough to notice that at the last moment.

So ye, sometimes this action can actually arise some troubles, unintentionally.

Otherwise it's a cute gesture, I find it warming when people do something like that. Has some cute role-playing atmosphere too (a person in Christmas glamour giving people ginger cookies? C'mon, it's adorable!). But there probably wan't be a definitive opinion on the matter, some people will just find it annyoing (some do in this thread as well).

Half the people in this thread genuinely worry me that an act of kindness makes them assume the worst, and a 5 second interaction spells doom for their day. This was common place even a decade ago in other MMOs, and not just on Christmas, players have always gifted things to others they don't know, and that's how humanity works.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Nah, I just dislike when people use one day out the year to spread cheer instead of doing it throughout the year. I cannot help but feel this was just some case of a person wanting to seem some brownie points over what largely amounts to a meaningless action inside of a video game just to make themselves feel better. The intent just seems less about spreading cheer to others and more so to make themselves happy or feel better.

Call me an ass but it has always rubbed me the wrong way when people all of sudden become so caring and giving around this time of year but do not do the same throughout the year. Never been a fan of empty platitudes.

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Because no one has the time to spread positivity all the time like a main character in an E rated video game. You sound like you just want to be bothered for the sake of it rather than it being an actual problem.

Yeah my Christmas sucked (because you have to deal with family the most and let’s just say they aren’t very nice people), if someone handed me a cookie in game I would have gladly taken it, I never stayed away from trades I mean wth its a free gift, Id have eaten that cookie straight away but not stayed to chat because on ps5 its harder to write.
Its nice you want to spread your joy, but make sure others actually want it first as weird as that sounds because for many people holidays are not a happy occasion, still no reason for them to treat you like this, they could have just said no thank you and hopefully you both leave eachother be.

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

Because no one has the time to spread positivity all the time like a main character in an E rated video game. You sound like you just want to be bothered for the sake of it rather than it being an actual problem.

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Meh, in my opinion a simple gesture from the OP could easily be done whenever, though I strongly suggest he does not do it often. You can feel / think what you want and I will do the same. Wonders of life, we are free to think what we want.

Also random trades are even more annoying than random FC invites. So not shocked someone was bothered by it good intentions or not. Though I personally do not buy the good intentions, but that is just me.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Meh, in my opinion a simple gesture from the OP could easily be done whenever, though I strongly suggest he does not do it often. You can feel / think what you want and I will do the same. Wonders of life, we are free to think what we want.

Also random trades are even more annoying than random FC invites. So not shocked someone was bothered by it good intentions or not. Though I personally do not buy the good intentions, but that is just me.

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I'm in the same FC as OP. This is literally all he was doing. Some rando got upset on behalf of others and threatened op with a report despite never having any interaction. If you don't want the cookies, just say you don't want the cookies. Not that hard.

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

I would name and shame them but I would get in trouble.

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Maybe this is just me ... but it's hard to believe a person who simply want to spread cheer and goodwill but also want to name and shame over one bad interaction ... I would think someone with a big enough heart for the former would simply shrug off the later. It doesn't seem to be very ... convincing in my head.:confused:

Idk why, but somehow this post conjure up the image of the usual "those who preach tolerance are often the most intolerance of them all" in modern society.

Though intentions may have been for good, the method of giving these good cheers in a random trade window could have been annoying for some. Say they were busy in other UI windows such as FC chat, inventory/armory chest sorting, glamming or any of the number of other things they were standing idle for and a random trade window suddenly popped up. They could have deleted some rare item from their inventory in the confusion trying to see why suddenly they got a trade window.

I think if anyone is going to hand out an item to a multitude of players they should use /shout or PF and not just at Christmas, but anytime. Let the players that want to receive what is being offered make the choice if they want it or not. I suggest the OP needs to just chalk this up to experience and newly gained knowledge. Move on and enjoy the Holiday.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Sometimes we just wish our closest family could still be with us and join us.

After losing my sister to breast cancer, I shifted from the "yay xmas" side to the "damn, this time of year is tough" side.

One can put on a brave face. and be nice to strangers, but by gosh, that grief gets tough at this time of year.

(Still no cause for OP's grump to be a grump though - sometimes this community just sucks)

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I don't get why the community has to be thrown under the bus. It's just the way people are in general. Everyone handles things differently. In the end, you have the choice in how you respond to things. When the OP talks about even thinking of naming / shaming, they've already lost and sunk to the other person's level, which is why I say it should've been left alone.

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

I'm in the same FC as OP. This is literally all he was doing. Some rando got upset on behalf of others and threatened op with a report despite never having any interaction. If you don't want the cookies, just say you don't want the cookies. Not that hard.

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Not that hard to also ask before giving stuff out.

On one hand, it's less intrusive to first send a tell explaining what you're doing and asking if they want a cookie. I get that some people find random trades to be like walking down the street and a vendor just shoving their product on your face before asking if you're interested.

On the other hand, really? We're going to throw a fit just because someone made the trade menu happen. We get it, it's annoying, just decline or walk away. If they insist, then sure, it's a problem. If it gets in the way of what you're doing (which trading does do), and it's clearly done with malicious intent, then it's a problem. But the one time thing isn't going to kill you. Sometimes people click stuff by mistake anyway, you gonna report them for that? You gonna be that guy?

I'd love to get cookies from you, kind stranger even though my inventory is suffering

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Not that hard to also ask before giving stuff out.

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Yes, but the person threatening the report was someone he had zero interaction with. No one else had an issue with what he was doing. If it's not bothering anyone then why were they upset?

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Originally Posted by EgilTheStressedMage

Yes, but the person threatening the report was someone he had zero interaction with. No one else had an issue with what he was doing. If it's not bothering anyone then why were they upset?

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I have not been following the story too closely so if the person had zero interactions with how did they know he was giving out cookies? Waa he advertising in shout if that was the case and not spamming sure it was unwarranted, but that did not seem to be the case.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

I have not been following the story too closely so if the person had zero interactions with how did they know he was giving out cookies? Waa he advertising in shout if that was the case and not spamming sure it was unwarranted, but that did not seem to be the case.

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I don't know the whole story yet either. I just assume whenever people do crap like this it's not because there's an actual issue but because they want to feel powerful for ten seconds, like marking a message for deletion on GameFAQs because someone spoke out against bad thing or flagging Youtube videos not sucking off current popular game. I'm hoping he'll be on tonight so I can get the full picture.

Edit: Okay so the person taking offense in question was entirely in the wrong. He was kicked out of his raid group for it and it wasn't the first time he was trashy towards others. No shout chat was used, Fult just walked up asked if they wanted a cookie and they just melted down. Moral of the day: don't be an ass if you aren't prepared for the consequences.

sounds like a case of a group of people forcing other people in a plane to listen to them sing gospel songs.
Under the guise of spreading cheer and joy.

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Originally Posted by hagare

sounds like a case of a group of people forcing other people in a plane to listen to them sing gospel songs.
Under the guise of spreading cheer and joy.

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I wasn't forcing anything, All I was doing was offering a cookie on Christmas day wasn't forcing it onto them so stop right there....

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Originally Posted by hagare

sounds like a case of a group of people forcing other people in a plane to listen to them sing gospel songs.
Under the guise of spreading cheer and joy.

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Have you heard of just being nice to people?? just being nice to folks for no other reason than just being nice or is that a problem for folks in this community???

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

Have you heard of just being nice to people?? just being nice to folks for no other reason than just being nice or is that a problem for folks in this community???

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Your reason was Christmas. You said as much earlier.

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

I didn't melt down I was more like wtf why? I was just handing out Christmas cookies and wishing folks a merry Christmas why would I be the one melting down???

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As I said at the beginning, some people have a hard time with Christmas. Some people might even have trouble with people being nice / generous. I've had a couple of cases where people think something is up when I'm simply being nice or generous. Sometimes people are generous only so they can cash in on a favor later on.

Do yourself a favor and just drop this subject already and think about what was said. Think about how you approached the whole situation. The generosity is appreciated, but it's important to understand and accept that this is not an easy time for everyone and a little consideration and perhaps some forgiveness is in order.

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

Were you randomly forcing trades? That's annoying. Just shout that you're giving cookies away; that way only those interested would interact with you.

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This, pretty much. Might not get so many people accepting them but at least the people who get them also want them.

I like giving away things, too, and the method above is my go to. FF14 community isn't the first one I have spread some of my extras either. In comparison I'd say FF14 community is not the most excited about free stuff. Maybe it is the servers i have presence on, or the time, or my face, but any time I try to get rid of anything by giveaway I usually won't end up getting rid of the thing I tried to get rid off.

And like, few years ago I tried to even giveaway whole FC with small house :'D
No takers ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But on positive last note, I still like Pugy Puk minion a lot, my first minion ever and it was given to me by random person in town. And my lastest alt got Trike, which was very nice. The benefactor of that Trike just ran after my sprout face at Roots Lake/South Shroud and /tell'd: "Dino friend!!"

Sometimes I read replies on threads like this and realize just how miserable some of the MMORPG players are.

I say OP should've move on from replying to people in this forum, there's always that one guy that will get your nerve :)

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

I was handing out cookies to folks in Limsa when a person whom I never interacted with came up to me and said "idc, go away, or get reported for harassment" When do folks say enough is enough with 4heads like this? all I was doing was spreading good cheer to folks and giving cookies out to others. So I stopped and left limsa....what a way to spoil things for others who only have good intentions. I would name and shame them but I would get in trouble.

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To be honest, I often give Cookies (with a PM telling them it's a little gift to say welcome to the game as well as a small EXP boost when used before a fight), and the occasional minion I don't need, to brand new sprouts I encounter. I haven't thus far met anyone who didn't appreciate it.

Perhaps limit your generosity to new/low-level Sprouts if you do this again - they have no reason to take offense at your gift, it's actually of more use to them and it's a nice way to welcome a new Sprout to the game :)

If the cookies or whatever the OP was traded was paired with religious proselytizing, then I can see why they got reported.

Okay so nobody paid attention to my post where I said the guy was in the wrong entirely and instead are just going to keep hating on OP. Yeah, Great Community BTW indeed. Right even when they’re wrong.

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

Have you heard of just being nice to people?? just being nice to folks for no other reason than just being nice or is that a problem for folks in this community???

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A nice person would apologize and drop the subject, even if they think they are in the right.

Instead you came to the forums to spread hostility.

You even admitted you would name and shame if it wasn't a quick way to get banned.

You can't talk like that, with the double "??", insults and stuff and convince people at the same time that you are doing something nice. That you are a nice person.

Unsolicited advice is treated like a war crime but unsolicited trades are supposed to be a good thing? bruh

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Originally Posted by Pratini

Wait, were you just randomly trading people?

Then yes you should be reported.

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Randomly trading with people is not against the rules though, lol. Doing it over and over again after someone told you to stop that is a offense. No gamemaster will warn or even ban you for trading someone cookies.