Island Sanctuary - Please include summoning bell, orchestration, mail box, telecrysta

The one thing I was hoping they would add isn’t there. A garden. Before I had a house I wanted to try gardening and cross breeding but couldn’t cause didn’t have a house. Had the Gil but could not get one. So what is 1 thing you can do at player housing you can’t do anywhere else. Garden. Please a at least 1 large garden so players aren’t locked out of gardening.

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Originally Posted by Deole

The one thing I was hoping they would add isn’t there. A garden. Before I had a house I wanted to try gardening and cross breeding but couldn’t cause didn’t have a house. Had the Gil but could not get one. So what is 1 thing you can do at player housing you can’t do anywhere else. Garden. Please a at least 1 large garden so players aren’t locked out of gardening.

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Frankly, there's nothing to try and you're not missing much. Cross breeding for the more popular and rarer items takes weeks to over a month (if you start from the very bottom). You have to check on it every day to keep it from wilting. Between my FC and a friend that has me as a tenant, I have 4 plots doing nothing after I got all I needed.:p

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Though, watching closely, it appears to actually drop you at the Moraby Drydocks when you return from your instanced duty and then basically automatically speaks to the NPC to try to get you to your island. Which, if that's accurate, is one of the most hackish, duct-tape-and-paperclips solutions I think I've ever seen, but... I mean, I guess it works?

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If you listen carefully when teleporting directly out of a house, given your loading time (mine's pretty long due to distance from the servers), you'll hear the housing district music before ending up at your destination. For example, if I port to Limsa from my FC's house in Shirogane, I'll hear the Shirogane music briefly before "landing" in Limsa. The same goes for my personal house and apartment.

I wonder if there's something about the nature of interior instances like houses and the island that prevents, or at least makes it very difficult to, directly teleport into and out of them so they have to go through an automated "click the shiny dot" thing to get in and out.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

If you listen carefully when teleporting directly out of a house, given your loading time (mine's pretty long due to distance from the servers), you'll hear the housing district music before ending up at your destination. For example, if I port to Limsa from my FC's house in Shirogane, I'll hear the Shirogane music briefly before "landing" in Limsa. The same goes for my personal house and apartment.

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I assumed that's just that the orchestrion stops running and you return to hearing the background music of the house, which is the same as the outside music.

The more telling thing (if it happens) might be if you get the "left/entered a sactuary" messages when going from ward to house, and if so, whether you see another set when warping directly out of the house that would represent a return to the ward.

Same for the island, I guess. Do you get a left/entered sanctuary message that would indicate a return to Moraby before travelling elsewhere?

That's a good point, I'll check when I log in tonight.

So basically turn it into the Garrison from WoW, eliminating social interaction altogether.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

If you listen carefully when teleporting directly out of a house, given your loading time (mine's pretty long due to distance from the servers), you'll hear the housing district music before ending up at your destination. For example, if I port to Limsa from my FC's house in Shirogane, I'll hear the Shirogane music briefly before "landing" in Limsa. The same goes for my personal house and apartment.

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If the teleport out is moving you outside first, my strong suspicion would be that the code to cleanup a dynamic instance happens when you step out of the instance; e.g. if you're the only person in the house, when you leave, they want to clean up that instance and reuse the slot for some other house.

So if it has to do that, I'd guess that the teleportation code does not trigger normal departure logic -- there's a variety of reasons this could be the case -- and so they shunt you 'out of the house' (to ensure the cleanup code runs, if necessary) and then teleport you.

(It would probably also be why disconnecting while in a housing interior immediately poofs you back outside, if so.)

But I'll be honest, I've never actually poked at that part of the game, so I can't say for sure; I load fast enough that I've never noticed an intermediate step between 'teleport out of house' and 'teleport somewhere else'.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

I wonder if there's something about the nature of interior instances like houses and the island that prevents, or at least makes it very difficult to, directly teleport into and out of them so they have to go through an automated "click the shiny dot" thing to get in and out.

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Unquestionably, on the 'into' at the very least. Like I said, I'll spare you all my usual "Pax writes a three-page analysis of How MMOs Work Behind the Scenes to try to explain a thing" word-wall for once, but suffice to say it's not only possible but extremely likely that the teleport system cannot take you anywhere that is dynamically instanced, for a whole bunch of reasons.

For teleporting out... that's less an "unquestionably", but see above for theory.

Regardless, it's almost certainly the case that the teleportation system as it stands does not have the ability to take you to a dynamically instanced area, which is why I strongly suspect we'll never have a direct aetheryte to the island... at least not without some significant changes under the hood.

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Originally Posted by HolyReign

So basically turn it into the Garrison from WoW, eliminating social interaction altogether.

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At this point in XIV's life, I don't think it matters all that much. If you want to be anti-social, you can manage that very easily as it is. Between squadrons and trusts, a decent chunk of content can be run solo. The MSQ is practically all solo. Half the time people treat you like a glorified NPC when you do group up with them in duties and no one says a word. You can hide in out your house/apartment/inn all day long, or you can stay in one of the older cities that are pretty much ghost towns.. I don't think letting people hide out on their island with full amenities would thin the herds that much.

With that said, I personally would be down with them just adding the summoning bell & MB to the docks.

I highly doubt that they'll ever add a retainer bell onto the island itself, but one in the drydocks would be nice indeed (and get the 'load in/waiting spot' for IS more up to par with the ones for diadem/eureka/bozja)
That said, there already is a retainer bell relatively close by on the wolfsden pier, even with a free boat ride both ways

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Mail... why? How much correspondence are you going through regularly?

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Tbf, I've had friends who've wanted to send me stuff (like things they need help crafting, or mats or gil they've owed me) while I'm on my island in the middle of something and they're either unable to reach me per MSQ or about to log off and want to send before they forget. That's the kind of thing I'd want Mail for on the island. I also bought some minions to release on my island. Had to leave the island, go to limsa for mail, then go all the way back to the island. Would have been great to just get my delivery straight to my cozy cabin. It's just about the convenience of communication, like email. Of all the things people want on their island, Mail feels like low-hanging fruit to accomplish precisely because it would be low-impact on the system from low use.

Personally, I don't need an aetheryte on the island, but it would at least be nice to use the Moraby crystal to get there instead of the guy. Treat it just like getting to the Firmament or a Residential Ward.

Likewise, I like the suggestion to at least add a Summoning Bell at Moraby Drydocks.

I'll keep insisting we need a Mender on the island though. If the whole point of them is "something to do while you queue", then doesn't it stand to reason I might need some repairs when I get out of a run, before queuing back up for another?

Juuuust in case some people may not be aware, there is a mailbox and a mender right near the NPC already.

I didn't realize this until two days ago, but in my defense, I never pay attention to where those items are anyway as I repair my own gear and I never get mail. :X

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Juuuust in case some people may not be aware, there is a mailbox and a mender right near the NPC already.

I didn't realize this until two days ago, but in my defense, I never pay attention to where those items are anyway as I repair my own gear and I never get mail. :X

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Yeah, I knew the Mender was there, but didn't realize there was Mail there until recently. I personally think they'd just be helpful to have on the island itself, particularly the Mender.

this isnt garrisons my dude

I wouldn't mind a summoning bell and some striking dummies.

I often craft on my island. It's very peaceful and zen. So I wouldn't complain if I could get my mats there instead of having to bring them with me.

Thats gonna be a NO from me dawg

I dont know anything about Wow, Garrison, or anything about game programming. What I know is I can duty finder from Island Sanctuary, yet I have to teleport out of it to go to a summoning bell to offload my loot pulls and warp back so that I can duty find again from it, while gathering from it

You could just....wait until you're done with your duties and just vendor/retainer it all at once? Island stuff doesn't go in your normal inventory anyway, it's not gonna fill up your bags.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

the place wasn't made for you to afk and live in, so all those things (minus the orchestrion which is already there) are not necessary.

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You can't reason with the people that live on these forums man. You are correct and what you entered was logical but they don't care. They are here to complain for the sake of complaining. If this was changed to their liking they would find something new to complain about. These people literally LIVE to complain.

Would be nice if they could add the retainers. :3

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Would be nice if they could add the retainers. :3

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There's no reason to add the retainers when the island inventory and economy are separate from the rest of the game. If I want to craft while on my island, there's nothing to stop me from loading the mats I need into my inventory before I go.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There's no reason to add the retainers when the island inventory and economy are separate from the rest of the game. If I want to craft while on my island, there's nothing to stop me from loading the mats I need into my inventory before I go.

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This.

I keep all the top tier goods in my saddlebag. I'd much rather craft in one of my apartments though, where I have some music on shuffle and relevant amenities handy. :)

I would love to have these in the island sanctuary. Especially the summoning bell for the retainers. A man can dream.

There's a reason why SE don't include convenience items such as retainer bells in island sanctuary, the servers for island sanctuaries are shared with housing servers as evidenced by players unable to enter their houses or apartments when there is a high number of players doing stuff in their personal islands.

SE wants you to do your chores and get out, not linger on the island as this would add further strain on the existing servers. Which is also why there is a AFK timer which boots players out of their islands once 30 minutes have passed.

I just wish they at least gave us a proper orchestrion with a savable playlist like the one we can even use in our apartment instead of the lame copy/paste of the one from the inn. I hate that thing...the orchestrion UI is awful and having to use it to select a single track every time you visit your island is beyond annoying so I never use it.

IF they move all the requested stuff to the islands then its time to move our homes there too :)

I live on my island and hardly ever leave it. I login and out on it and do my dailies on it. When queue I just gather items till it pops. I hope they do add these items to it.

give me a striking dummy there too while you're at it

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Originally Posted by Covenant

Island Sanctuary - Please include summoning bell, orchestration, mail box, telecrystal, and
auction house.

Teleporting to one area to npc warp to next area seems like a waste. I'm sure your trying to maintain the rpg element, but really? If there were the case all teleporting would be eliminated and only chocobo travel allowed.

This also goes for bozjan, elemental, etc.

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there already is an orchestrion inside your cabin. There is no need for a summoning bell, or a mailbox since you're not meant to stay there all the time, it's why they let you automate harvesting/replanting seeds and caring for your animals in the pasture, as well as set up your workshop agenda up to 2 weeks in advance.

As for an Aetheryte crystal, that isn't going to happen for the same reason it doesn't happen for Bozja, Eureka, Instanced Housing, etc. The zone does not exist if there is no one inside. In order for there to be an Aetheryte, they'd have to permanently keep the instance open, which would majorly bog down the servers.

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

IF they move all the requested stuff to the islands then its time to move our homes there too :)

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"You may now upgrade your island to include "stuff of convenience".
However it requires you to, if you are a homeowner, to relinquish said house plot as the island will now more or less act as a personal house."

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

the place wasn't made for you to afk and live in, so all those things (minus the orchestrion which is already there) are not necessary.

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Isn't this literally how this content was pitched to us when they revealed it pre-release? An island paradise where you can relax and take a break from your battles and adventures?

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Originally Posted by Ameela

Isn't this literally how this content was pitched to us when they revealed it pre-release? An island paradise where you can relax and take a break from your battles and adventures?

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I'd argue there's a difference between "Relax and take a break." and "Relocate literally every activity I do in this game outside of instanced duties to this spot."

Why? It's not like you can sell anything from the island to the MB or buy anything from the MB to place on the island. It's not housing. It's never going to be housing and they will never add instanced housing. You can't even idle in the island without being kicked for afk hence the large crowd of people near the island guy at Moraby dry docks.

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

Why? It's not like you can sell anything from the island to the MB or buy anything from the MB to place on the island. It's not housing. It's never going to be housing and they will never add instanced housing. You can't even idle in the island without being kicked for afk hence the large crowd of people near the island guy at Moraby dry docks.

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DoH/DoL materia get pretty expensive when new gear is released so the heavy crafters/gatherers start pentamelding. Those can be purchased with both types of cowries, though there are easier ways to farm the materia. There are also the normal glamour prisms/dispellers and the 3 housing furnishing that can be sold on the market board.

You can't get the Water Otter Fountain Landmark without either crafting the parts for the permit yourself or buying them off the MB from someone who can. I suspect there will be similar items coming from Expert recipes in future patches that will give you the chance to change some of the appearance of your Hideaway - speaking of which the Island Prisms are also crafted and sold on the MB.

I don't think the sanctuary needs those things added but I understand why others would want them, especially if they're unable to get a house.