To Tanks Who only pull One Mob at a Time......

They're scared o3o

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I've actually seen people get lost in dungeons before even the new ones that are just straight forward the whole way through lol.

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Mentor here, been playing for years and I still get lost in The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak D; if I'm the healer I just pray the tanks knows the way lololol

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

When we use the random matching system in the game, then we're going to get players with a wide variety of styles, experience, and abilities. Those tanks are pulling the way that is comfortable.

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Not that I have because I always keep my mouth shut and put up with whatever non-sense I have to deal with but...

Is there something wrong from suggesting that tanks that won't pull more than one mob stick to trusts or their friends? W2W is the norm, the average decided upon by the community. If you want to forgo what is expected by the other three potential members of your party, then perhaps you should play with friends who are either okay with it, or trusts that will switch to your playstyle?

The main reason YTYP was a thing wasn't because people were concerned for the tank. It was because it was an easy way to figure out the pace of the dungeon instead of having people vote among their parties or argue over it. At the least, if you insist on pulling one set of mobs at a time you should warn people at the beginning of a dungeon so they can leave prior to figuring out that you insist on tanking one at a time through the entire dungeon.

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Originally Posted by ballprince

This is part of the issue for me.

If you want to hold aggro and be a tank, please queue as a tank. Pulling for the tank if they don't want to pull all of that is pretty rude.

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I mean you can hold issue with it, but thankfully most tanks from my own experience that do single pulls just go with the flow. Not like their core rotation changes much from one pack to two, to three etc... I have found most players just go with w/e I mean I barely run into groups that even chat anymore. Get in get out, the few tanks that I ask to not pull for the tank still get the aggro cause end of the day it is quicker to play with the players you got instead of waiting the 5 min timer, then the loot timer, or even the combat timer. It is generally HARD to remove someone from a dungeon.

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W2W is the norm, the average decided upon by the community

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Esp in the lower dungeons with a small toolkit, smaller mobs means the healer isnt overstressed. So the instance takes a few more minutes, so what? Wheres the fire? What the rush? Is the world coming to an end?

Is there some reason we need to go at warp ten?

Id prefer taking my time, making sure we dont get overwhelmed, a successful run rather than a pullfest with multiple wipes.

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Is there something wrong from suggesting that tanks that won't pull more than one mob stick to trusts or their friends?

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Yes, you play your way and I play mine. Ive never had any complaints....actually Ive been THANKED by the healer for not driving them insane.

BTW this "entire community"

What community?

NA?

NA isnt the entire community.

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Mentor here, been playing for years and I still get lost in The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak D; if I'm the healer I just pray the tanks knows the way lololol

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I gotta hand it to ya, getting lost in the new reworked and simplified Toto-Rak is an achievement.

Ho boi. The title…

If I’m the healer I will see how they react when I pull more. I only do so when I know how to survive the beating in the event the tank refuses to take the aggro. Long gone those days when I’d actually ask because 8 out of 10 times they are met with utter silence.

If I’m the tank I will wall pull everytime at first chance. Not allowing me to do so really just devalues the advantage of my presence in the duty: easier wall pulling.

If a wipe occurs, chances are it will be the only wipe & thankfully it means we are not very likely to waste more time by sticking to pulling packs a total of 5-7 times in the course of single duty vs to wall pull everything for a total of 3-4 times. Wipe isn’t the end of the world, and I’ll be sure to be the first to assure the party about that.

If 2 or more people are opposing my playstyle so adamantly then they deal with it as I’m dealing with theirs too, or they can vote me out. The function is there, use it.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

I gotta hand it to ya, getting lost in the new reworked and simplified Toto-Rak is an achievement.

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Oh, I haven't done the reworked since I maxed everything before the release lol BUT will when the next level cap is released.

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Is there something wrong from suggesting that tanks that won't pull more than one mob stick to trusts or their friends?

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Yes.

Other servers, other datacentres dont play the same way, and you are NOT in a position to tell everyone "play this way or else".

I ask again . WHATS THE RUSH? WHATS THE HURRY?

Is there some reason every instance needs to go a 10000 miles an hour? if so what is it? I mean it, some of these instances, especially the later ones, are beautiful and a lot to see, appreciate the artwork, the music...so why do we need to GOGOGOGGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGO...why?

Literally

WHY?

The "community" is a vast and massively diverse population, and each of them plays their own way..no one sets a "standard by which if you dont do it this way you dont belong in a dungeon". JP plays differently to LA, OCE has their own norms and to tell the truth, a lot of them dont want to drive their healers insane by pulling wall to wall , watching the party die one by one.

I have an old axiom of my own "Dont do it fast, do it right", fast does NOT mean better.

Not by any stretch of the imagination

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Esp in the lower dungeons with a small toolkit, smaller mobs means the healer isnt overstressed. So the instance takes a few more minutes, so what? Wheres the fire? What the rush? Is the world coming to an end?

Is there some reason we need to go at warp ten?

Id prefer taking my time, making sure we dont get overwhelmed, a successful run rather than a pullfest with multiple wipes. [/B][/I]

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Because people enjoy doing speedy dungeons? It's actually fun and enjoyable compared to slowly clearing where you'd practically fall asleep.

In lower level dungeons(which I mentioned in an earlier post) I don't mind it because under 50-60 you are still getting a feel for the game and your role, but above that I feel as if there are no excuses.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes, you play your way and I play mine. Ive never had any complaints....actually Ive been THANKED by the healer for not driving them insane.

BTW this "entire community"

What community?

NA?

NA isnt the entire community.

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Funny how you immediately decide that your playstyle is the more valuable playstyle.

Also you've likely never had any complaints because people are too nice to complain. I have never pulled for my tank or told them to go faster, regardless of how much I dreaded them single pulling the entire dungeon. That doesn't mean I wouldn't like them to go faster though.

And this entire community encompasses more than NA. That argument doesn't apply here when JP servers are the only servers that don't w2w by default(and even then, their expert roulette is still always w2w, it's just levelling dungeons that are left up to the tank to decide). So yes, the majority of the community defaults to w2w. But sure, use your imagination, pretend it doesn't if it makes you feel better.

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Funny how you immediately decide that your playstyle is the more valuable playstyle.

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No, different. Ill tank mine my way and you do the same.

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. So yes, the majority of the community defaults to w2w

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Says who? Source? Proof? Rationale? Youve played on Ravana? Bismarck? Zurvan? Kujata? Tonberry? No?

...so how do you know what the "majority" does?

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That argument doesn't apply here when JP servers are the only servers that don't w2w by default

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No, they dont, and I admire them for that. Again, i have had healers THANK ME for not making their lives a misery,. groups happy that we got it done in one run and zero wipes.

So it takes a few more minutes..so what? Again..wheres the fire? Whats the hurry?

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but above that I feel as if there are no excuses.

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Your opinon is noted......and rejected.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes.

Other servers, other datacentres dont play the same way, and you are NOT in a position to tell everyone "play this way or else".

I ask again . WHATS THE RUSH? WHATS THE HURRY?

Is there some reason every instance needs to go a 10000 miles an hour? if so what is it? I mean it, some of these instances, especially the later ones, are beautiful and a lot to see, appreciate the artwork, the music...so why do we need to GOGOGOGGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGO...why?

Literally

WHY?

The "community" is a vast and massively diverse population, and each of them plays their own way..no one sets a "standard by which if you dont do it this way you dont belong in a dungeon". JP plays differently to LA, OCE has their own norms and to tell the truth, a lot of them dont want to drive their healers insane by pulling wall to wall , watching the party die one by one.

I have an old axiom of my own "Dont do it fast, do it right", fast does NOT mean better.

Not by any stretch of the imagination

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To be fair that is a dated concept, doing it fast and right are the standard not just in game but in life. Efficiency is often based around speed. If one cannot do it fast and right they will find someone that can. Be in game or in life.

I 100% agree with OP for saying that dungeons post ARR are designed to being able to pull 2 mob sets at a time. However, baby tanks are still baby tanks. They're still people out there whom are trying to learn their class, how to properly mitigate, how to juggle optimal dps etc. Tanking has gotten easy for sure but there's still a bit of a learning curve to obtain the level of confidence in both your pulls and for mitigation. Either just learn to deal with people learning to tank or just seriously leave the party if you're gonna wind up being that butthurt about it. Who gives a crap?

As for you constantly running into tanks or players that dont respond, have you never ever considered that they may be console players? Where quick responses in chat arent as feasible to them at all without keyboard and mouse?

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To be fair that is a dated concept, doing it fast and right are the standard not just in game but in life.

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*collapses laughing*

Mate, I can think of at least ten fields of expertise incl medical where that is NOT the case at all. When you are analysing an entire spreadsheet of data and looking for a specific trend or a specific results, you take your time and go over it line by line.

With a patients file, you sit down and read it all, doctors notes, medical test results, nurses notes..you take your time , you read it all you do NOT rush. Ever.

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Efficiency is often based around speed. If one cannot do it fast and right they will find someone that can. Be in game or in life

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You have GOT to be kidding. :D:D:D:D

So let me get this straight.

I don't have the right, nor do the othe 2 players in my part, to so much as SUGGEST that the tank pull more than one mob at a time.

But the tank has the right to do whatever they want, even if nobody else in the group wants one-mob pulls, all the while rudely ignoring afformentioned suggestions and just continuing to play at their own pace to the detriment of everyone else in their party?

And somehow I'm the entitled one? Can I get a QRD on how this makes even one iota of sense.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

So let me get this straight.

I don't have the right, nor do the othe 2 players in my part, to so much as SUGGEST that the tank pull more than one mob at a time.

But the tank has the right to do whatever they wants, even if nobody else in the group wants one-mob pulls, all the while rudely ignoring afformentioned suggestions and just continuing to play at their own pace to the detriment of everyone else in their party?

And somehow I'm the entitled one? Can I get a QRD on how this makes even one iota of sense.

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Acting like a big baby and whining to the forums about running into people who do slow mob pulls is such a waste of your time. Instead of trying to put up a pointless argument that I'm sure give it a month or so we will see this topic resurface again, how about just do what you've been doing, continue to offer tanks to confidently pull big, and if they dont respond either suck it up and deal with it or just leave the party? Some people in this thread point it out, there's a variety of people of skill levels, just because you find this game so boringly easy doesnt mean this correlates to the entire playerbase. I get you, it does feel like a drag when you run dungeons with tanks who dont do wall to wall pulls, especially as a healer. But I learned to offer them to go ahead and do big pulls and if they dont then I just deal with it and not throw into a hissy fit whenever I dont get my way.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Out of curiosity, what dungeon was this?

About the only modern gated dungeon I've ever flat out not had resources for on SCH was the very first Bardam's pull back when it was relevant and I was still wearing HW raid gear. I'll take a portion of the blame as well for not getting my fairy/aetherflow up in time and getting caught napping as the tank steamed off. Outside of that occurrence years ago I can't think of a single occasion leveling or otherwise where the trash has been overwhelming to the point that I couldn't just brute force it with GCDs if need be.

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It was the most recent dungeon. And I wasn't healing on my SCH. I was healing on my WHM. So now I really bet you're scratching your head.

Tell you what though. Why don't I go ahead and eliminate any scrutinizing of my ability to heal a tank during W2W pulls, and I will go ahead and take full accountability for that wipe. Heals came slow, probably didn't have regen up, was likely sitting on a CD, maybe two, Especially considering I just hit 90 with WHM and still getting used to Bell; and I was also too focused on not letting lilies cap so I can whip out Misery on the regular.

Ok. So if you were the tank in this group, why on earth would you pull W2W when you know your healer can't keep up? That's my question for you, and just about any other "experienced" tank. Because I will will tell you one thing: I am definitely not the game's best healer, but I've been doing it long enough to know when my tank is a selfish PoS.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

*collapses laughing*

Mate, I can think of at least ten fields of expertise incl medical where that is NOT the case at all. When you are analysing an entire spreadsheet of data and looking for a specific trend or a specific results, you take your time and go over it line by line.

With a patients file, you sit down and read it all, doctors notes, medical test results, nurses notes..you take your time , you read it all you do NOT rush. Ever.



You have GOT to be kidding. :D:D:D:D

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Oh, yeah not that is not how it works. I can tell you from experience that doctors scan the patients files just before seeing the patient it is rare when a doctor takes the time to read every note. The sad truth is most doctors have to work per volume that is why they double and triple book appointments. Need to quick to be efficient cause you will have major delays people waiting hours in the waiting the room. When it comes reading the results of the scan you generally get to a point where you simply scan through it and get the general idea. I mean sure it is different for specialists or private pay doctors but general practice that is a pure volume game. Thus speed is important, as I said remember it is about doing it FAST AND RIGHT, so why would any company rather have someone that does it SLOW AND RIGHT when they can find someone that will do FAST AND RIGHT. A lot of fish in the sea so to speak, taking your time with things is going the way of the dodo. People want stuff done fast as possible while also being done correctly.

You also pick the worst example you could, at times you are racing against the clock. Our daily lives are moving quicker than ever, like it or not the slow and steady approach is a dated concept in the modern world.

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I don't have the right, nor do the othe 2 players in my part, to so much as SUGGEST that the tank pull more than one mob at a time.

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You dont have thre right to tell others "pull wall to wall is the community standard and if you dont then go use Trusts"

Lemme give you a word of advice "Player made rules arent worth the paper they arent written on".

Others will play as suits THEM, not you.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

How is that griefing exactly? They decided to pull when even the Novice training says that's the tanks job. You don't get to overstep then expect others to cover you for your choice to do as such, then report people if they don't.

YPYT is only an issue because hot heads want to do the tanks job. You'll never encounter it if you stay in your own lane role wise.

I'll say this to any tanks that may be reading this, pull at your own pace. So long as youre mitigating and keeping aggro you're doing your job.

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Oh, yeah not that is not how it works.

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Oh....Ill just file that along with my years in hospital experience, ,my late wifes years as a nurse and my own knowledge that says otherwise. I am yet to meet a single doctor who hasnt already gone over a file IN DEPTH long before they hit the ward. I have met many doctors over the years who do just that. Watched them pull files and read all of it...I know because one resident pulled me aside over my own nurses notes on a patient, went over my comments in detail..so no, wrong.

Also, dont ever assume they dont read nurses notes they DO. All of it.

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I can tell you from experience that doctors scan the patients files just before seeing the patient it is rare when a doctor takes the time to read every note.

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No..you cant because that isnt true. At all.

I had to go into surgery myself, and I KNOW firsthand that my surgeon had read my entire file, including the anaesthetists notes beforehand who had written detailed notes on a previous episode..the woman was an encyclopaedia.

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The sad truth is most doctors have to work per volume that is why they double and triple book appointments. Need to quick to be efficient cause you will have major delays people waiting hours in the waiting the room.

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In what country? Not here, mate.

Heres a small addendum

A patient of mine was due for surgery, the anaesthetist came to see them, she said "Oh you're the one who is going to put me to sleep tomorrow", the anaesthetist, with the files in her hand, looked sharply at her and said " No, Im the one thats going to make sure you wake up tomorrow after a successful procedure".

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So according to this the others are doing MPK to the tank

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And then bringing me all the mobs like a wounded dog in too deep. I almost always let those people die to make a point. Not my fault you weren't patient enough and can't tank it.

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Nothing satisfies me more than when i run roulettes on a warrior and are in 56+ level content so i can self heal and have 2 bad ass dps as wingmen and a healer than isn't afraid to dps and let me get low so my RawInt/Whetting can get a full use and I go full unga bunga pulling as many groups as the dungeon allows ( a lot have wall blocks so you can over do it anyways)

If under 56 where I cant self heal in a roulette ill assess the situation eg: as soon as i grab a pack or two is my WHM spamming holy first? good il hold cds till the stun wears off , excellent - in sync


Is my WHM standing way back thinking that dps is optional? then ill see how much damage I take from a regular 2 pack and if the healer is struggling to heal because they are oblivious to there instant healing and use hard casts ill keep any eye.


Then you get weird dungeons that hurt a lot in certain areas , take the first "undead" ishgardians in Dusk Vigil you meet. The 3 mobs hurt like hell especially the archer and the sprite thing. If any of the above is in play ill run past until the others rise from the floor around the next corridor, if its the latter ill not because a non holy cure1/2 spammer wont be able to manage the massive spike damage the first 3 i ran past do on top of the extra mobs that rise from the floor in the side rooms.

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Originally Posted by Bobby66

Oh, yeah not that is not how it works. I can tell you from experience that doctors scan the patients files just before seeing the patient it is rare when a doctor takes the time to read every note. The sad truth is most doctors have to work per volume that is why they double and triple book appointments. Need to quick to be efficient cause you will have major delays people waiting hours in the waiting the room. When it comes reading the results of the scan you generally get to a point where you simply scan through it and get the general idea. I mean sure it is different for specialists or private pay doctors but general practice that is a pure volume game. Thus speed is important, as I said remember it is about doing it FAST AND RIGHT, so why would any company rather have someone that does it SLOW AND RIGHT when they can find someone that will do FAST AND RIGHT. A lot of fish in the sea so to speak, taking your time with things is going the way of the dodo. People want stuff done fast as possible while also being done correctly.

You also pick the worst example you could, at times you are racing against the clock. Our daily lives are moving quicker than ever, like it or not the slow and steady approach is a dated concept in the modern world.

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Im having a hard time believing that considering that "rushing" their medical procedures is an easy recipe to cause more screw ups in the process. You're just pulling this statement out of your ass right?

You can do things quickly while being thorough, that is the end goal. Sure it is okay to start off slow but you cannot always remain at that slow speed. Even if your results are solid, when it comes down to it which would you say is the better the doctor, the one that can do things quickly and properly or the one that takes their time and gets things done properly. I am not sure where you guys are from in terms of the state or country, but the way you are talking does seem like you have the great fortune of not receiving care in a poorer country, state or part of a state. Our healthcare system does not allow for every doctor to take their sweet time with every patient in every area. Especially when you are dealing with state ran insurance that under values your time and forces you to double or even triple up on patients to stay stay afloat.

As I said in my first post it is about doing this FAST and RIGHT, if one cannot do that then people will find someone that can do it FAST AND RIGHT. It does not have to be either or.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Oh....Ill just file that along with my years in hospital experience, ,my late wifes years as a nurse and my own knowledge that says otherwise. I am yet to meet a single doctor who hasnt already gone over a file IN DEPTH long before they hit the ward. I have met many doctors over the years who do just that. Watched them pull files and read all of it...I know because one resident pulled me aside over my own nurses notes on a patient, went over my comments in detail..so no, wrong.

Also, dont ever assume they dont read nurses notes they DO. All of it.



No..you cant because that isnt true. At all.

I had to go into surgery myself, and I KNOW firsthand that my surgeon had read my entire file, including the anaesthetists notes beforehand who had written detailed notes on a previous episode..the woman was an encyclopaedia.



In what country? Not here, mate.

Heres a small addendum

A patient of mine was due for surgery, the anaesthetist came to see them, she said "Oh you're the one who is going to put me to sleep tomorrow", the anaesthetist, with the files in her hand, looked sharply at her and said " No, Im the one thats going to make sure you wake up tomorrow after a successful procedure".

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What I am saying is you can do things quickly and right. You can catch the mistakes granted it comes with experience but to say that is not the standard that is pushed in the modern world does seem foolish maybe it is because I live in New York, and am a medical assistant for a clinic in Brownsville where it is legit a revolving door due to limited options in the area. People live busy lives they do not have time to wait especially in the area where I work.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

You uh... realize this is the very definition of griefing behaviour? Like, not even joking but YPYT is absolutely reportable and if you do this to enough (or the right/wrong) people, you're liable to at the very least have a nice chat with a GM.

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Sorry, no, I'm not shoving it in their faces or being mean about it. If someone wants to pull, and tank, that's on them. No reason to be mean about it but I'm not going to allow people to disrespect me either.
Edit* accidentally deleted, To another note, this often happens after I have asked people not to do this. Not exactly griefing to let someone die once from their own mistake.

Also, probably not. It's why I do trust dungeons. People cannot respect what I want to do as a tank. Again, if they want to tank, they need to queue as such.

Have a good day!

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When it comes reading the results of the scan you generally get to a point where you simply scan through it and get the general idea

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Um...no...the doctor orders the scan, the radiologists then read the scan, then write a report for the doctor to read. "General idea"? Wut???

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. I mean sure it is different for specialists or private pay doctors but general practice that is a pure volume game

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Dont know where you are, but we have far higher standards than THAT...............

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Um...no...the doctor orders the scan, the radiologists then read the scan, then write a report for the doctor to read. "General idea"? Wut???



Dont know where you are, but we have far higher standards than THAT...............

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Sadly not every place in the US can afford to have those higher standards where they can have a 45 min appointment with a patient. So you legit are telling me you have never had a doctor that ordered the scan and pretty much just speed read the report? At least radiologist reports are fairly concise for that reason and if the doctor has any concerns they will just load of the scan itself and take a look for themselves. For the most part our radiologist reports from say regional rad are short as hell.

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which would you say is the better the doctor, the one that can do things quickly and properly or the one that takes their time and gets things done properly.

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Seeing as it may be my life on their hands...which do YOU think?

Good grief...

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Sadly not every place in the US can afford to have those higher standards where they can have a 45 min appointment with a patient

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Never said I was an American.

A 45 minute appt here isnt a big deal, and we have ways to make the time for those, we call them long consults. Even specialists make those for specific patients. You call, you book a time, you go.

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So you legit are telling me you have never had a doctor that ordered the scan and pretty much just speed read the report?

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Nope. They usually read it when i am there and we discuss it. . Thats what a long consult is for.

Like I said...we have a much higher standard to meet.

FAR higher.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Seeing as it may be my life on their hands...which do YOU think?

Good grief...



Never said I was an American.

A 45 minute appt here isnt a big deal, and we have ways to make the time for those, we call them long consults. Even specialists make those for specific patients. You call, you book a time, you go.

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Hey sadly if you want that level of care make sure you have the money to pay for it. It sucks but clinics in poorer areas are generally ran on volume where the staff needs to be quick. Yeah generally many of the patients that come to us are walk-ins or last min appointments. Sure I am sure the doctor would love to be able to spend such time with their patients but when everyone is often a new patient and often do not even a patient portal account or go to a different affiliated clinic makes getting records a PITA or the quality of records is just Zzz. For example in the reginal radiology their scabs and reports are awful the machine is listed as a T3 but we have seen better scans from a T1 stand up MRI. The reports are often flawed where they often miss things even glaring things like Multifocal cord plaques within the within the thoracic cord in a patent that has MS. The doctor thought something was off with the report was able to get the disks and saw them. He was able to do notice something was up quickly. Point is often many doctors here solely go based off the reports do not even dare to double check or validate what it states with their own eyes. Just due to the nature that many doctors simply just do not feel they have the time do take out to do such a thing.

Point thing at least from my perspective of how things are ran around me no one has time to just take a moment to breath everyone is living pay check to pay check, one crisis away from being on the streets. Time is not a luxury we all share, and I have seen it growing where people want things done quickly and right. They are mutually exclusive.
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Hey sadly if you want that level of care make sure you have the money to pay for it. It sucks but clinics in poorer areas are generally ran on volume where the staff needs to be quick.

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Not here. Not ever.

Our level of care is not tied to our capacity to pay...nor will it ever be.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Not here. Not ever.

Our level of care is not tied to our capacity to pay...nor will it ever be.

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Sadly that is not the same in all parts of the US. As I said things can be done quickly and right and generally that seems to be the preferred method for many at the very least in my world so speak.

I think people need a reminder that this is also need to be taken account: the stakes on hand when pulling for the party vs not doing it and go w/ the flow.

Dying/wiping in a dungeon pull poses very little drawbacks. Your cooldowns are reset. Dead mobs do not respawn, which means the next wall pull attempts will be way easier this time around. The party also learns better for every wipes there's something to learn out of it. Heck this is one of those moments where it is more likely to spur some of the more experienced player in the party to chime in to offer advices like "Don't save mitigations for emergency!". The only drawbacks? Your gear breaks slightly faster & you add about 1-2 extra minutes into the run depending on where you wiped, to which I could also ask: what's the hurry? Because that amount of time is about the same amount you add into the duty for splitting pulls between each bosses. If you wiped more than once or twice to same mistake then there's more than just 1-3 issue(s) there.

The only other place in the game where I think I'm seeing more prevalent act of YPYT is in optional contents like Eureka (some overworld mobs and Baldesion Arsenal) & Bozja (to a lesser extent), which again brings us to the fact that sometimes pulling things for the party/crowd isn't worthy of the risk due to the several elements conspiring to make the experience too chaotic to handle.

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Because some tanks are terrible.
It's just more noticeable than when only 1 of the 2 dps is terrible.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Sometimes I think the default UI can play a bit of a role in this. It's all too easy to spam your chat window to oblivion in combat making party messages nigh impossible to spot once something is pulled.

Couple that with how this game discourages public communication and you've got a recipe for party members who either can't talk or just won't talk.

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I once proposed to kick a DPS because I suspected that they are a bot, not a real human. I had been asking them questions and suggesting to them to stop taking avoidable damage or being half-afk but I got no response. They started talking very quickly when the tank and the other DPS agreed in the chat with me.

This thread agian ?? Is "old topic revival day" again ? damn time flies...
And now more serouisly: This is a game with people. How about ask for faster or slower ? Just communicate what you want to the group.
I know sounds weird but treat others like humans and you will solve many problems.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Ok. So if you were the tank in this group, why on earth would you pull W2W when you know your healer can't keep up? That's my question for you, and just about any other "experienced" tank.

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To prove that I have faith in the healer and that just because they died, I'm not going to punish them by doing small pulls. Doing that hints to the healer that you are salty about the wipe and I don't want to give that impression. I want to give them the opportunity to prove that wipe was not reflective of what normally happens, or to give them the opportunity to improve by thrusting them into a big pull. I'm confident I can survive on my own for a long time or forever depending on the dungeon to give them time to figure out the right heals to use.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Is there some reason every instance needs to go a 10000 miles an hour? if so what is it? I mean it, some of these instances, especially the later ones, are beautiful and a lot to see, appreciate the artwork, the music...so why do we need to GOGOGOGGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGGOGO...why?

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1. Many people can't play long. It saves them time and the majority appreciate it with their body language or commendations.
2. If you don't pull big, sometimes people complain but they never do when they are big.
3. Small pulls double the amount of time the dungeon takes. If you are confident enough to pull big then there isn't much reason to take twice as long.
4. It challenges yourself to use mitigation better, the healer to heal more and the DPS to think of how to kill a crowd of enemies as fast as they kill a single one.
5. By doing them it educates people how to do them.

These arguments are for a tank themselves to make. If you are not the tank, it's not your place to change someone else's playstyle.

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The "community" is a vast and massively diverse population, and each of them plays their own way

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This point is worth reiterating. A lot of parties do big pulls but a lot of them don't. Usually it's because someone is doing it for the first time or they are still learning to tank.

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Many people can't play long. It saves them time and the majority appreciate it with their body language or commendations.

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Two or three minutes arent that long...yeah this is the WOW mentality.

This aint WOW.

As for 'commendations"..you may obsess over those, i dont. If you are....then stop. Commendations arent a "medal" to boast about.

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If you don't pull big, sometimes people complain but they never do when they are big.

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Ive seen parties wipe when they pull big..so no, wrong.

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Small pulls double the amount of time the dungeon takes. If you are confident enough to pull big then there isn't much reason to take twice as long.

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Rubbish.

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It challenges yourself to use mitigation better, the healer to heal more and the DPS to think of how to kill a crowd of enemies as fast as they kill a single one. By doing them it educates people how to do them.

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There is no hurry and no rush and no fire...two minutes more wont hurt anyone.

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Sadly that is not the same in all parts of the US. As I said things can be done quickly and right and generally that seems to be the preferred method for many at the very least in my world so speak

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Our doctors and health professionals prefer to take their time and have their patients get better. Thats how health care works.

Primum non nocere.