SE, is it that hard to make the Mogstation outfits dyable?

So, I had a peek at the new outfit. There are pieces of it that might be interesting, if it could have been broken up. Also, I don't care for the color. Hard pass.

Interesting that the hairstyle's default color isn't locked, yet the outfit itself cannot be dyed.

Lyse's outfit is for cosplay, not glamour (even if many players would prefer it for glamour). That's why the NPC sets aren't dyeable - they're intended for cosplay.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Is that why when I logged in for the first time on 6.1 the game shoved a "YOU CAN NOW PREIVEW MOG STATION ITEMS BEFORE BUYING THEM!" pop up in my face.

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YoshiP was actually against it. Because it was such a frequent request of players to be able to try on mogstation items before buying, he ended up pressured by the beancounters to add the feature.

So he did the smart thing and made the inn room bed the only place you can do it. It's a nice out of the way place that won't bother most players since you're only going to be at the inn room bed to either log out (I doubt that many players go to an inn room to log out) or because you actually want to use the Dreamfitting.

If he really was trying to push mogstation sales, he'd do what almost every other game with a cash shop does - flood your screen with a huge cash shop window every time you log in.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Lyse's outfit is for cosplay, not glamour (even if many players would prefer it for glamour). That's why the NPC sets aren't dyeable - they're intended for cosplay.

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Kinda a poor excuse imo, if people want to cosplay they will lol. It's not like making them dyable (or in multiple sets and not a onesie) will make it unable for people to cosplay as NPCs. It just comes across as pure lazy, but to each their own

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Interesting that the hairstyle's default color isn't locked, yet the outfit itself cannot be dyed.

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Minf's outfit & hair are the same way. Hair is dyeable, outfit is not. Pretty sure all the NPC sets function the same way.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Yeah I definitely agree it should be dyeable.
The red honestly makes me a bit iffy about it on anything but MNK.

Not exactly the color I'd want on NIN tbh lol.
Hmm, maybe an excuse to try and pick up MNK again after I abandoned it in EW :P.

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It's perfect for dancer, too.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I'm curious as to what their process of making dyeable items is like.
If I remember correctly, they make a texture for the undyed version then make textures for each dye color. I would imagine they have some way to streamline the process once they identify which areas are "dyeable".
Would it be easier if they just had to select which areas of a piece of gear is "dyeable" then have the color show up as a filter from a color-picker?

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Since no one gave you a definitive answer, based on what I've read,

FFXIV doesn't actually handle dyeing with duplicate textures to account for each possible dye, the game has an entire... materials system? that determines what colour (and texture) something is. Gear has, depending on the complexity of the design, multiple channels, each with its own settings (like, for example, is this part shiny metal?)

It sounds really versatile, I could see them giving players access to more of this system as a way to improve Glamour? At the very least, multiple dye channels should (theoretically) be possible.

... which brings us to the topic of the thread. Yeah, I think it's kinda awful whenever Glamour gear is undyeable not to mention sold as one piece, especially one you buy with real money. The whole cosplay angle people are taking is weird by virtue of the fact that being able to dye it would not invalidate that in any way. You want to cosplay Lyse? Just... don't dye it, then!

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Is that why when I logged in for the first time on 6.1 the game shoved a "YOU CAN NOW PREIVEW MOG STATION ITEMS BEFORE BUYING THEM!" pop up in my face.

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To be fair Yoshi P has said he wanted to keep the store out of the game but actually the players have been asking to be able to preview the items in game and then they implemented it :p

Since ARR they have never made any NPC attire dyeable ever. I'm sure they have their reasons and you can bank on it they never will make them dyeable. However I do think the hair style should have been sold separately.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

They didn't bother because they knew you'd all just buy it anyway for the hairstyle that comes with it.

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The hair is disappointing. It looks like an egg on other races. I immediately took it off after I came out of the aesthetician looking like Humpty Dumpty.

I don't mind if it's not dyeable. What bugs me is when they're all one piece. I'm still not sure what makes them decide what is one piece and what is not - not all NPC outfits are one piece either, so it's doubly ??????? because there's no rhyme or reason for some to have multiple pieces (Lyse's traveling outfit is top, bottoms, feet, earrings, Y'shtola's outfits) but then others are for no reason.

I really hope they go back and separate pieces later on, especially when there's literally no reason to keep them as one piece.

-All outfits, everywhere, from any source ,of any new design or npc "copy" should be dyeable
-Costume should always be broken into separate slot pieces

**Shoes are a complete throw up joke....pass **

How 'bout removing the gender lock on that outfit and all of the others, SE? I don't mind it being undyeable, I do mind the gender locks.

With the way dye channels work in this game it should take them maybe 5 minutes to make an outfit dyeable, especially when the outfit already existed for 2 expansions.

And don't start with the whole "It's to preserve the style of the NPC outfit" or "preserve the identity of the NPC" nonsense. You know what certainly doesn't preserve the identity of the NPC? Running through a player hub and seeing 30 clones of said NPC.

Everything from the mog station should be dyeable, period. If that would lead to an increase in the price then so be it.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

Seriously, the SECOND recently released costume set being undyable, really hoping y'all can stop this trend when it comes to the outfits. It's sad because people will still buy it cause it comes with the hair. :/ I know the streetwear is coming soon and that it will likely be dyable, FWIW. But it still doesn't make this set less sucky.

Just wondering why we can't get something so something as to making it dyable? What limitations are there? If we're going to pay real money on top of a subscription for a cash shop, at least give us a bit of a courtesy and allow a bit of customization

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oooh. Got a link to those streetwear ones?

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Originally Posted by hagare

oooh. Got a link to those streetwear ones?

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For those curious:
https://i.redd.it/otz3dn9wnbh81.jpg
https://d3fd5j8wprxn3h.cloudfront.ne...05/fashion.jpg

"preserve the npc's identity", I'm sorry but that stops when you put it on literally anyone else, especially a lalafell.
Speaking of, the only thing that actually justifies a cost to these outfits is them making it for Roe/Lalafell as the rest don't really take work, if they added dyes to the outfit it'd at least somewhat "justify" the cost for other races.

Well I hope the Garlean gear is dyeable when it's added :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL-BCbHX...g&name=900x900

https://i.redd.it/bzxkl08fk5a21.png

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Originally Posted by ElizanderNorisse

Well I hope the Garlean gear is dyeable when it's added :)

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I have my fingers crossed for you, it really should be dyable!

Also-- "preserve the identity of the NPCs" -- did everyone take them seriously? I thought they were being cheeky lol

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

With the way dye channels work in this game it should take them maybe 5 minutes to make an outfit dyeable, especially when the outfit already existed for 2 expansions.

And don't start with the whole "It's to preserve the style of the NPC outfit" or "preserve the identity of the NPC" nonsense. You know what certainly doesn't preserve the identity of the NPC? Running through a player hub and seeing 30 clones of said NPC.

Everything from the mog station should be dyeable, period. If that would lead to an increase in the price then so be it.

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They always have contradictory standards. Yoshida said several years ago they couldn't make gear wearable to all roles because seeing healers in armor sets would confuse players. Meanwhile, we'll ignore Frog suits and bikinis being perfectly viable "tanking" attire.

Everything should be dyeable and not a onesie set. Would also be nice if they let you buy individual pieces. In fact, it'd likely be more profitable to them as people will buy more if they can pick and choose, especially for alts.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

I have my fingers crossed for you, it really should be dyable!

Also-- "preserve the identity of the NPCs" -- did everyone take them seriously? I thought they were being cheeky lol

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Thank you very much! :D

Everyone in the game should be allowed to wear Garlean gear anyway. :)

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Would also be nice if they let you buy individual pieces. In fact, it'd likely be more profitable to them as people will buy more if they can pick and choose, especially for alts.

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Being able to buy the hair separately would be especially useful for something like the Lyse, Minfilia or Aymeric outfits. Would certainly save me some money and bag space because the first two outfits go right into the trash and the 3rd one can't even be used unless you're a male character but the hair can.


Being able to buy individual pieces would be useful in general, I don't know how often I only needed 1 or 2 pieces from a specific outfit, be that ingame or from the mogstation.

But my guess is that this is exactly why they aren't doing it, you have to pay for 2-3 pieces of gear that only clog up your retainer to get the 2 pieces you actually want.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

it's not that, every NPC outfit has to be undyable so as to preserve the identity of the NPC

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It's just clothes, no? An NPC's identity can be more than what they wear, right?
Like, if SE's idea of "identity" is so tied to what a character wears, why even let us wear said outfits? I mean, Lyse is certainly not a lalafell, or a roegadyn, right?

Funny thing is, I could actually take a "we don't make them that customizable cause we just don't feel like it" response, but if the answer truly is about "preserving a character's identity", that just seems so... weak lol.

It's such an odd choice as I imagine they would sell way more if you could actually dye them.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

It's such an odd choice as I imagine they would sell way more if you could actually dye them.

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The issue is they don't want to they want to keep the NPC outfits iconic as to the way they appear in game. Would it be nice yes.

I personally would love to see them sell separates and have more of the stuff account wide. The hair finally works on Viera but you need to pay 15 dollars for the hair for alts as well. I would pay maybe 5 dollars if i could get it separately and buy it for multiple alts. As is stands right now I might not get it for any of them.

It would be more appealing if it could be dyed and also separate pieces. I rarely get any of them because of this. I have the ryne and minifilia modish outfits only which is because of the dress for one and the shoes for the other.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

But my guess is that this is exactly why they aren't doing it, you have to pay for 2-3 pieces of gear that only clog up your retainer to get the 2 pieces you actually want.

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They could just let you put it in the armoire, boom problem solved.

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Originally Posted by AluneTempest

the limitations are the same as why viera and hroth cant wear hats, they just dont want to work on it because SE need to spend FFXIV money on other things.

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You mean: Throw it out of the window for crypto-things nobody wants. x3

I love it, posted some screenshots here I am very happy with it! https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...%21%21/page479

But yeah, I wish they were separate parts too so I could use it on other Jobs.
Not sure I want to use it on anything but MNK.

I also wish we got the weapon too, it'd be cool to get a single fist weapon like she has ingame.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

The issue is they don't want to they want to keep the NPC outfits iconic as to the way they appear in game. Would it be nice yes.

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Question: Where did the whole "The devs want to keep the integrity of the NPC's iconic looks" thing come from? Because Jojoya's comment in this thread is the first and only time I've heard it. Perhaps one of you could provide a source to this, otherwise I'm just going to assume it's not true and nip this little rumor in the bud. :B

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Question: Where did the whole "The devs want to keep the integrity of the NPC's iconic looks" thing come from? Because Jojoya's comment in this thread is the first and only time I've heard it. Perhaps one of you could provide a source to this, otherwise I'm just going to assume it's not true and nip this little rumor in the bud. :B

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It's just another one of those things that people assume then go on to parade it around as an actual fact or act like yoshi p said it so people believe them.

Only if you pay for it. :3

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

The issue is they don't want to they want to keep the NPC outfits iconic as to the way they appear in game.

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That's not the issue. If this truly wanted it to be as "the way they appear in game" they wouldn't let non-hyur wear it, given that it forces the outfit to shift to the player.

The problem is they don't want to. It's as simple as that, it's easier to code the item as 1 color instead of all the versions of colors we can dye it as. And if Square can get people to pay for a lower version of that product, they'll 100% do it. They are a company, after all.

Could I somehow be wrong? Maybe, but until I see where this statement is of "They want to keep it iconic" came from, far as I care, it's the same as "Yoshida said healers shouldn't dps" and "Viera and Hroth will get hats" where neither was stated to be a thing, people just twisted words they said to make it like how they wanted it to be.

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Originally Posted by Rowde

Hilda fans have been waiting longer!

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there's a hairstyle thread, just request hildas hair and bump the thread
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...es-Facial-Hair

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Originally Posted by SweetestLily

It's just another one of those things that people assume then go on to parade it around as an actual fact or act like yoshi p said it so people believe them.

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Implication and the ability to infer is lost on so many people.


If they wanted to make it dyeable, they could. It's completely possible.
If they wanted to be separate pieces they could make it so. It is completely possible.
If they wanted to have the hair separate they could.
If they wanted it to be wore on both genders they could.


So why isn't it? The easiest and most obvious answer is that they did not want to. Argue until you are blue in the face, they have their mind set on that and continue to do it over and over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Jijifli

Could I somehow be wrong?

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Yes the dev team does not want them dyeable. It's not a question of being cheap and wanting to take the easy way out. Tons of mog releases can be dyed it's just the NPC ones that can't be. They could make them that way but they don't want too. This same argument comes out every time an NPC outfit surfaces this is not new. When the next one comes out it will be the same story. Maybe we'll be surprised but I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

For those curious:
https://i.redd.it/otz3dn9wnbh81.jpg
https://d3fd5j8wprxn3h.cloudfront.ne...05/fashion.jpg

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ah that kind of street wear
interesting

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Originally Posted by BubblyBoar

Implication and the ability to infer is lost on so many people.


If they wanted to make it dyeable, they could. It's completely possible.
If they wanted to be separate pieces they could make it so. It is completely possible.
If they wanted to have the hair separate they could.
If they wanted it to be wore on both genders they could.


So why isn't it? The easiest and most obvious answer is that they did not want to. Argue until you are blue in the face, they have their mind set on that and continue to do it over and over and over again.

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There's a lot of pieces we have that aren't dyeable and not connected to an npc. They also could have made those dyeable. Show me where any se representative said "We don't make the pieces dyeable to preserve the integrity" or you can argue for this baseless claim til your blue in the face.

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Originally Posted by SweetestLily

There's a lot of pieces we have that aren't dyeable and not connected to an npc. They also could have made those dyeable. Show me where any se representative said "We don't make the pieces dyeable to preserve the integrity" or you can argue for this baseless claim til your blue in the face.

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Basically: "Until they yell it in my face I won't use common sense."


Just keep being surprised and disappointed every time they release an NPC outfit. You just look like a fool every time.

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Originally Posted by BubblyBoar

Basically: "Until they yell it in my face I won't use common sense."


Just keep being surprised and disappointed every time they release an NPC outfit. You just look like a fool every time.

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I thought the common sense was: They use an old model, tweak it a bit so it can fit all races, release it in the laziest way possible? We can complain that each time, it's lazy as hell. Doesn't matter if it's to preserve "NPC integrity" or not lol. Gives me vibes of the reasoning they gave for Hrothgar not to have ears on the hairstyles.