Endwalker is the most controversial expansion

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Originally Posted by Haruka_R

Not sure what you mean.

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He's saying. Just because someone didn't enjoy a shoddily written story doesn't make them miserable and if you truly believe that to be the case, puff puff pass B.

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Originally Posted by Anura

So your argument is "it is because it is"? You have absolutely nothing to contribute to your ramblings. Nothing. What is "tasteful" has been defined by culture since the beginning of times, so tell me how your idea of "good art" is better than someone that was born in a whole different culture, from a different continent. Your ridiculous idea falls flat when a good number of musicians and painters were shunned and spat at for daring to do something different than the norm.

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It was never that deep. You accuse me of rambling when in fact it's exactly what you're doing. If we're going to diminish every argument to asking questions about culture since the dawn of times we're never gonna get to the point - it's pure sophistry. Let's focus on what we have now, which is not good. Oh and by the way, it's us who revived those shunned artists and musicians still, it was us who decided they were good in the end, so I don't see why would you bring that up. Unless you're trying to say that EW's story is a hidden gem and people are just too dumb and don't get it. If you are - please do not reply.

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

I agree with the changes and controversies but disagree on the story. From a writing standpoint it's perfection

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No, it is not. They have completely messed up the whole time travel thing. And some decitions the protagonists made are very questionable.

But overall, the Endwalker story is good. Better than Stormblood, IMHO.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Theox

If you're saying EW's story is good then you desperately need to read one classic book. Just pick one and read it. Please.

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The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. That's a classic novel. It's pretty basic slice of regional life. Tom doesn't really learn anything by the end. But it's an enjoyable story.

But then compare that with the nuance you find in something like an Edgar Allan Poe story or the metaphors you find in something like Frankenstein. Also classics and also enjoyable for other reasons.

It's possible to enjoy different works of art for different reasons.

I thought Endwalker was good. It was just the pacing was backwards when focusing on casual moments, like hanging out with the Scions in Sharlyan for long periods of time, instead of focusing more on the big bad threat that was the final days; both Fandaniel and Zenos' version and the real one. Plus, it would have been nice if we got to clash with Fandaniel and Zenos more in order to better understand their motives, like how we got to hang out with Emet-Selch in Shadowbringers, and we got a better understanding of his character as a result.

Same thing with Venat and Hermes. We needed more time with these characters to better understand them, but our time with them were far too short.

Other than that, the story was good. Again, it was just the pacing was all wrong in places where the threat of the world ending should've taken precedence over us goofing around in Sharylan half the time.

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

Ain't middle school philosophy when most games, shows, etc, say the exact opposite. Most games have some 2D hero philosophy of no one being sacrificed and all suffering can be solved with effort and friendship. This is real world philosophy in a game. It's called Existentialism and was Friedrich Nietzsche's solution to Nihilism. Most works including real world philosophies preach slave morality or objectivism. Also it was quite thought provoking given it's answer to the Fermi's Paradox. That being a dead space due to Nihilism and even civilizations that reached perfection died to it due to post-scarcity. If it doesn't seem groundbreaking it's more than likely due to the fact you reached it outside of a game in which case, you're not the audience my comment was directed to as like me you understand philosophy.

Also I've more than likely seen more anime than you and also no, most anime goes with slave morality and the 2D writing found in most fantasy. Only some actually go for real world.

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If you want answers to the question of nihilism, Endwalker was pretty mid at best. Games like Nier Automata handled it a lot better. And if you want a love letter to Nietzschean philosophy, Xenosaga is leagues better. It's really nothing groundbreaking, regardless of its actual quality.

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

No, it is not. They have completely messed up the whole time travel thing. And some decitions the protagonists made are very questionable.

But overall, the Endwalker story is good. Better than Stormblood, IMHO.


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Good lord the time travel makes me want to bash my head into something. First it was a solid static loop with Alexander, then it was multiverse with Graha(which is fine, they're not mutually exclusive), then EW comes around looking all derpy with linear timeline!!!

And there was such an easier way to do it, the echo.

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

Also I've more than likely seen more anime than you

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

Good lord the time travel makes me want to bash my head into something. First it was a solid static loop with Alexander, then it was multiverse with Graha(which is fine, they're not mutually exclusive), then EW comes around looking all derpy with linear timeline!!!

And there was such an easier way to do it, the echo.

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Yep, an established plot aspect, tying to the character's ancient soul, which would've made perfect sense to explore further in EW - nope, we need another, gloopy serving of time travel... with a side dish of memory wipes to go with it.

A lot of outrage = Some dudes on social media crying

I still love this mentality. You are not the majority just cause you cry the loudest. Most of the playerbase is actually happy with the game and just enjoys what the devs serve and yes this means also the removal of kaiten etc.

Even if you would take all people together who cry on the forums, twitter and reddit and whatnot...it wouldn't even be 1% of the actual playerbase who doesn't give a kupo about you getting disappointed and spilling out your personal preferences all over the internet. It's alright to be disappointed, i was also a lot of times disappointed with some decisions...(looking at you HW machinist)...but to think that the "community" is outraged (at any point) is just being delusional beyond measure. And on top really arrogant.

The "community" is never outraged. Less than 1% is outraged on social media maybe. And if you are so sure that you fellas are the righteous majority, then cancel your sub and we will see if SE will notice it, cause that is where it hurts them. If enough players decide to just shut down the flow of money but you aren't doing this cause maybe you are way too much into the game and even if we put all people on the forums together and say they cancel all their subs, wouldn't even be a bug bite for SE.

The more I think about it, the more it makes me think of Mass Effect 3. The finale to a popular and widely-loved series, had a good start, then dropped the ball and never really found it again, and while there were some good parts, overall it stumbles to an ending with holes you could throw a thresher maw through.

Heck, both even have a flat, boring, invincible antagonist with an edgy-wannabe design who tries to act like he's your big evil rival despite having minimal real effect on the plot. (It says a lot about my opinions on Zenos when the most positive comparison I can make is "At least he's not Kai Leng", but.....)

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Yep, a well worn plot aspect, tying to the character's ancient soul, which would've made perfect sense to explore further in EW - nope, we need another, gloopy serving of time travel... with a side dish of memory wipes to go with it.

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Especially since Elidibus can summon other WoLs, so all he had to do is tether our other reflections to us so the echo can remember that time. Appearance could be poked fun at by Hyth that Azem was fiddling with glamour magicks again, it almost writes itself.

“This expansion isn’t controversial at all” in the midst of 6 pages of arguing 4 hours later

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Originally Posted by Aluja89

And there was such an easier way to do it, the echo.

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Or they could make the player completely invisible to the ancients and degrade him to a pure observer. This would also not mess up anything.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

A lot of outrage = Some dudes on social media crying

I still love this mentality. You are not the majority just cause you cry the loudest. Most of the playerbase is actually happy with the game and just enjoys what the devs serve and yes this means also the removal of kaiten etc.

Even if you would take all people together who cry on the forums, twitter and reddit and whatnot...it wouldn't even be 1% of the actual playerbase who doesn't give a kupo about you getting disappointed and spilling out your personal preferences all over the internet. It's alright to be disappointed, i was also a lot of times disappointed with some decisions...(looking at you HW machinist)...but to think that the "community" is outraged (at any point) is just being delusional beyond measure. And on top really arrogant.

The "community" is never outraged. Less than 1% is outraged on social media maybe. And if you are so sure that you fellas are the righteous majority, then cancel your sub and we will see if SE will notice it, cause that is where it hurts them. If enough players decide to just shut down the flow of money but you aren't doing this cause maybe you are way too much into the game and even if we put all people on the forums together and say they cancel all their subs, wouldn't even be a bug bite for SE.

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I'm very curious what you're basing the bolded on, since you've admitted reddit and Twitter, the usual sources of gushing adulation for this game, are just a tiny minority. Do you have insight into this that the rest of us don't? What might that be?

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

The lessons and morals taught in Endwalker and the overarching story are phenomenal and I feel go underappreciated due to the relative intelligence and literacy of the fan base namely those who didn't enjoy Endwalker.

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I honestly didn't think people like you actually existed.

If no one else got me I know my boys Lauront, Theodric, and Kizuya got me

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

A lot of outrage = Some dudes on social media crying

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More like "some dude on the forums crying." Pretty much everywhere else you look EW is being praised and enjoyed, even with the issues that it has had. I also still find it rather hilarious that many people here are comparing full expansions with an expansion we literally haven't even reached the X.15 of.

But, but , but SB was good overall!!! Yeah, SB eventually got good after we had a full expansion cycle for it to redeem itself after it's terrible release state.

And now for the disclaimer because I know some of the forum diehards are already slamming the Reply button: No, EW is not perfect and yes it has had issues, some wounds of which are absolutely dev self inflicted. And Yes, I know you're personally not happy with the jobs, balance, difficulty, story, developers, community, etc. We all know you do, you make it obvious every single day. The vast majority of players (YOU OBVIOUSLY NOT INCLUDED) are happy with EW.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I'm very curious what you're basing the bolded on, since you've admitted reddit and Twitter, the usual sources of gushing adulation for this game, are just a tiny minority. Do you have insight into this that the rest of us don't? What might that be?

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How about you and the rest who are still playing the game (while being so unhappy), not protesting at all? I can't see a decline in any way regarding the playerbase of XIV nor it's scores from critics and players alike on sites like metacritic.

If people would be really unhappy, if you would be so unhappy with the game you would unsubscribe but you don't. And that says a lot about these people in my opinion, a lot of tears and morals but no spine to actually take action.

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Originally Posted by DevonEllwood

I honestly didn't think people like you actually existed.

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We just lack the intellectual capacity and are not cultured enough to appreciate the nuance and genius of a literary work such as Endwalker. Maybe if we watched more anime, we'd finally understand...

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

How about you and the rest still playing the game and not protesting in action but just in words? I can't see a decline in any way regarding the playerbase of XIV nor it's scores from critics and players alike on sites like metacritic.

If people would be really unhappy, if you would be so unhappy with the game you would unsubscribe but you don't. And that says a lot about these people in my opinion, a lot of tears and morals but no spine to actually take action.

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You are acting like there are 2 options, you love everything about the game or you hate everything about the game. There is a vast majority of space in between those two opinions that I imagine the entire player base resides in. Just because I find aspects of the game unenjoyable doesn't mean that there aren't other things I like. The reason you don't see many posts about people liking things in the game is because it accomplishes nothing to praise it. The thing is fine, nothing to report about it. If there is something you don't like or think can be improved then you provide that feedback to the devs so they can hopefully see it, discuss it, and either deny it or come up with a plan to implement it.

I'm glad that you adore everything about the game and really enjoy playing it. It doesn't mean the game is perfect though, and I think most of us providing feedback or complaining in your eyes just want the game to be the best it can be.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

I also still find it rather hilarious that many people here are comparing full expansions with an expansion we literally haven't even reached the X.15 of.

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tbf if one's beef is with the story, its totally valid to compare EW with full xpacs because EW's base game was the complete story. Its not continued to .3 like the usually are, .1 onward is a new thing.

“It’s good it’s not controversial at all SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP DIFFERENT OPINIONS NOT ALLOWED” isn’t the good argument you think it is…

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

How about you and the rest still playing the game and not protesting in action but just in words? I can't see a decline in any way regarding the playerbase of XIV nor it's scores from critics and players alike on sites like metacritic.

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But this site is also a tiny sample of players, and plagued with reliability issues, so what point are you possibly hoping to make here? I asked what insight you have; your answer, since you already ruled out reddit and Twitter: nothing. Metacritic can be dismissed for the same reasons.

Your post is basically guilty of the very thing you were accusing Anhaato of - sweeping proclamations which you have no real data to back up. No, we've not got any real sub figures for EW, other than its Steam figures, which are settling at about the level they were at various points during SHB... this is not particularly granular data and remaining subbed, as below, does not imply complete satisfaction with the product.

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If people would be really unhappy, if you would be so unhappy with the game you would unsubscribe but you don't. And that says a lot about these people in my opinion, a lot of tears and morals but no spine to actually take action.

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Yeah, real little forum tough guy. So scawy. The problem with this sort of mentality is that it's either/or. If the product reaches the point where it's not worth the sub fee? Absolutely, I'll unsub. At the moment, it's still entertaining enough for me to play, mainly due to the PVP revamp - that certainly does not mean its free of flaws, and with the MMO market being as bereft of competitors which interest me at the moment, I will do the devs the courtesy of offering feedback on the aspects which I think could be better. But your sort of mentality does this game zero favours and is one the devs themselves, and any business with any awareness of the value of customer complaints, have repudiated, as per this.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

If people would be really unhappy, if you would be so unhappy with the game you would unsubscribe but you don't. And that says a lot about these people in my opinion, a lot of tears and morals but no spine to actually take action.

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Ikr! Should just do like Yoshi P said and unsubscribe - better yet cancel service accounts! That'll show em. All these people crying on the forums could just protest with their actions by quitting the game instead of being on here complaining, cause there's literally no other reason people would still be playing besides the story haha. There's literally no other content someone might like doing if they don't like the story.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

More like "some dude on the forums crying." Pretty much everywhere else you look EW is being praised and enjoyed, even with the issues that it has had. I also still find it rather hilarious that many people here are comparing full expansions with an expansion we literally haven't even reached the X.15 of.

But, but , but SB was good overall!!! Yeah, SB eventually got good after we had a full expansion cycle for it to redeem itself after it's terrible release state.

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I honestly don't think the patches helped SB at all. Gosetsu and Yotsuyu had a better end to their arcs at Doma Castle than they did in 4.3. Tsukuyomi was a good fight, but that's about it.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

How about you and the rest who are still playing the game (while being so unhappy), not protesting at all? I can't see a decline in any way regarding the playerbase of XIV nor it's scores from critics and players alike on sites like metacritic.

If people would be really unhappy, if you would be so unhappy with the game you would unsubscribe but you don't. And that says a lot about these people in my opinion, a lot of tears and morals but no spine to actually take action.

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These forums are made fun of by 99% of the playerbase because you lot are so entitled whilst also wishing for changes that would actively make the game worse. Even /xivg/ on 4chan is considered less of a cesspool

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

More like "some dude on the forums crying." Pretty much everywhere else you look EW is being praised and enjoyed, even with the issues that it has had. I also still find it rather hilarious that many people here are comparing full expansions with an expansion we literally haven't even reached the X.15 of.

But, but , but SB was good overall!!! Yeah, SB eventually got good after we had a full expansion cycle for it to redeem itself after it's terrible release state.

And now for the disclaimer because I know some of the forum diehards are already slamming the Reply button: No, EW is not perfect and yes it has had issues, some wounds of which are absolutely dev self inflicted. And Yes, I know you're personally not happy with the jobs, balance, difficulty, story, developers, community, etc. We all know you do, you make it obvious every single day. The vast majority of players (YOU OBVIOUSLY NOT INCLUDED) are happy with EW.

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They literally stated themselves the EW story concluded with 6.0. How are we not allowed to compare it?

Ah yes, adding Kaiten back would make the game so much worse and so would adding a few extra fun buttons for healers apparently. We should instead sit around and wait for the next edition of the FFXIV AU High School Manga-er sorry 6.2 so we can go eat cupcakes with G'raha Tia in the middle of the 13th, and maybe go play dress up with Y'shtola.

Please.

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Originally Posted by sorawild34

These forums are made fun of by 99% of the playerbase because you lot are so entitled whilst also wishing for changes that would actively make the game worse. Even /xivg/ on 4chan is considered less of a cesspool

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The official forum really isn't anywhere near as bad as the likes of Reddit or Twitter, where credible death threats and horrific abuse are sent to people who dare to subscribe to an opinion that goes against the carefully curated 'correct' opinions.

The fact that the FFXIV Reddit Discord is run by individuals who had a secret channel for inappropriate images of Lalafell is reason enough to declare this place harmless in comparison. At the very least, anything genuinely unsettling or explicit will be removed by the moderators.

Furthermore, a lot of the people who attack the official forum just so happen to be bitter ex-posters who were banned for going too far at some point in the past. Or they simply echo what other players say about the place despite having no meaningful engagement here themselves.

You should probably look into what Scottzone was subjected to for a good example as to how this 'great' community handles criticism of the game.

People bring up Twitter and Reddit as bastions of positivity as if any criticism of the story didn’t make you a target for harassment on both sites for several months. I’m sure a large portion of the fanbase feels neither here nor there about the state of the game, but you can’t actively stamp out differing opinions and then claim they don’t exist. Exhibit A, everyone in here trying to insult or discredit the opinions of those who dislike the current state of the game.

Twitter in particular is also where some of the most vicious arguments and drama surrounding this game have taken place, all while those same individuals casually retweet fanart of...Alphinaud in a dress? Apparently that was a thing that popped up in FFXIV's suggested tweets as a topic. Why are these people being listened to over those of us who just want a good story and good gameplay?

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Originally Posted by anhaato

Exhibit A, everyone in here trying to insult or discredit the opinions of those who dislike the current state of the game.

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To be fair you have to have very high IQ to understand Endwalker...

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Originally Posted by Amenara

You are acting like there are 2 options, you love everything about the game or you hate everything about the game. There is a vast majority of space in between those two opinions that I imagine the entire player base resides in. Just because I find aspects of the game unenjoyable doesn't mean that there aren't other things I like. The reason you don't see many posts about people liking things in the game is because it accomplishes nothing to praise it. The thing is fine, nothing to report about it. If there is something you don't like or think can be improved then you provide that feedback to the devs so they can hopefully see it, discuss it, and either deny it or come up with a plan to implement it.

I'm glad that you adore everything about the game and really enjoy playing it. It doesn't mean the game is perfect though, and I think most of us providing feedback or complaining in your eyes just want the game to be the best it can be.

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I am tho in no way against feedback. And even i don't like everything about the game, heck i would love a glam log and my feet still look like bricks cause we obviously can't have toes in the game and why are our characters born with sandals on our feets?

My problem is that most of the players providing "feedback" are thinking just cause some mad people come together in a thread means the whole world is outraged about something. Up to the point where players like in this one make statements like "Why is EW so controversial" when it is actually well received by players and critics alike. Heck it got scores on sites like metacritic other games can just dream about.

Feedback is great, screaming about a doomsday and how FFXIV is now like WoW is not great. It is projecting your own feelings about the game on the general community. But neither me nor them can really know how the entire community feels about this so my problem is with people using rhetoric like they speak for the entire community.

While i admit to use some of the same rhetoric by saying that most people are actually fine with the game, this is actually supported by official critics the game got and scores by private players plus the fact that the game isn't seeing a huge decline in its playerbase. Which tells me that if people would be really so unhappy they would leave but they are not leaving. So it is again just people crying about the latest hot takes again.

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XYZ will destroy XIV!!! Players are outraged!!! = Bad

I am unhappy with XYZ and would like to see it changed = Good

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Originally Posted by OhNooo

To be fair you have to have very high IQ to understand Endwalker...

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I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in Anime Club and have over 3000 hours watched. I’m trained in online warfare and I’m the top troll in the entire Official Forums.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

plus the fact that the game isn't seeing a huge decline in its playerbase.

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Watch what happens when FFXVI releases and those of us who are the single-player RPG fans this game (allegedly) tries to cater to decide our time is better spent in Valisthea with Clive and his revenge story than slurping tea with the Scions.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Where did Endwalker dare to do anything 'different to the norm', exactly? It embraced so many of the dullest tropes in existence such as 'rules for thee, but not for me', 'genocide is okay when a pretty lady does it' and 'character is dead but literally minutes later is brought back to life'. All alongside plenty of flashy and very impressive backdrops that, ultimately, amounted to very little of consequence.

The fall of Dalamud ended up leaving deeper scars upon the land than the so called second coming of the literal apocalypse. The only lasting consequences in Endwalker are, conveniently, inflicted upon antagonists and very minor throwaway characters of little relevance in the grand scheme of things.

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I never said it did. My point is clearly about art being objective or not. Everything is perceived differently throughout history. Even Tchaikovsky was shunned by fellow russians. These days, he is one of the most glorified musicians of the period. An opinion shared by russians, from a different time. What changed? His pieces or how people look at it? I liked the story, you didn't. We're cool. Spouting nonsense about how there's an "objective" view of a form of expression is ludicrous, however.

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Originally Posted by Theox

It was never that deep. You accuse me of rambling when in fact it's exactly what you're doing. If we're going to diminish every argument to asking questions about culture since the dawn of times we're never gonna get to the point - it's pure sophistry. Let's focus on what we have now, which is not good. Oh and by the way, it's us who revived those shunned artists and musicians still, it was us who decided they were good in the end, so I don't see why would you bring that up. Unless you're trying to say that EW's story is a hidden gem and people are just too dumb and don't get it. If you are - please do not reply.

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Please make an objective comparison between Samba and Heavy Metal to me. Which one is better? Or maybe you could tell me which is better between Les Miserábles and The Three Musketeers. Or maybe you could point to the better author between von Goethe and John Milton. As of now, you haven't made a single argument in favour of objective art. You're pointing fingers and nothing else. Prove to me that art is objective and leave the "it comes with experience" out of it, it proves nothing. Come, be objective.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

I am tho in no way against feedback. And even i don't like everything about the game, heck i would love a glam log and my feet still look like bricks cause we obviously can't have toes in the game and why are our characters born with sandals on our feets?

My problem is that most of the players providing "feedback" are thinking just cause some mad people come together in a thread means the whole world is outraged about something. Up to the point where players like in this one make statements like "Why is EW so controversial" when it is actually well received by players and critics alike. Heck it got scores on sites like metacritic other games can just dream about.

Feedback is great, screaming about a doomsday and how FFXIV is now like WoW and that it is just bad is not great. It is projecting your own feelings about the game on the general community. But neither me nor them can really know how the entire community feels about this so my problem is with people using rhetoric like they speak for the entire community.

While i admit to use some of the same rhetoric by saying that most people are actually fine with the game, this is actually supported by official critics the game got and scores by private players plus the fact that the game isn't seeing a huge decline in its playerbase. Which tells me that if people would be really so unhappy they would leave but they are not leaving. So it is again just people crying about the latest hot takes again.

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XYZ will destroy XIV!!! Players are outraged!!! = Bad

I am unhappy with XYZ and would like to see it changed = Good

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I would disagree with the argument the game isn't seeing a huge decline in its player base when I remember how amazingly terrible queues were in December, granted I think that was just the hype of the expansion, not an indication of the game's content.

I agree there is some doom and gloom about the game in the forums, I consider myself a doomer about the game because I am losing faith in the Dev's ability to put out a quality product, however I think most of the wow comparisons are along the lines of "we remember cataclysm in wow and are starting to see the signs in FF14 and want to avoid them" moreso then the expansion is unsalvagable, it's the worst game ever, etc.

As for topics like "Why is EW controversial" it is like youtube videos, you come up with clickbaity titles to get views. I am more likely to click a topic with a clickbait title then I am one with a vanilla title. It is just how the human brain works. If you read through all the comments in a lot of the threads instead of focusing on the individuals that might be exaggerating or be hyperbolic on purpose to give a point you will probably find more meaningful discussion and reasonable takes that you might agree with.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Watch what happens when FFXVI releases and those of us who are the single-player RPG fans this game (allegedly) tries to cater to decide our time is better spent in Valisthea with Clive and his revenge story than slurping tea with the Scions.

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If that is the case then this is also great, i like it when players show how they feel through actions. If they all leave for FFXVI then this will show the devs that something is wrong with XIV. But maybe people will play both games or maybe FFXVI will just be a flop, we can't know that but i am in no way against any of the possible outcomes. I will play both XIV and XVI when it comes out so either way i am happy with what is to come.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I would disagree with the argument the game isn't seeing a huge decline in its player base when I remember how amazingly terrible queues were in December, granted I think that was just the hype of the expansion, not an indication of the game's content.

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That is actually something all games, every single one, has to deal with. The first weeks/months will always be the ones where the game just skyrockets and then plunges down again. Many players also just play to get BIS for the coming raids and don't care about other content so they go after they have everything just in hibernation.

Which is also a topic where i would like to see change in the game, something that gives hardcore players more reason to stay active (not borrowed power and upgrade systems tho). The deepdungeons were a nice concept giving players something to explore. I would also like to see really hard dungeons again, something that makes healers sweat their mp. ^^' But either way, as a filthy casual i am fine with any content that comes out.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Watch what happens when FFXVI releases and those of us who are the single-player RPG fans this game (allegedly) tries to cater to decide our time is better spent in Valisthea with Clive and his revenge story than slurping tea with the Scions.

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I'm one of them. I plan to split my time between both. Some others will go play that and then come back. Some will hold off on it for a bit and then play it later. We're a large genre with a lot of different preferences.