DPS/Healers pulling in dungeons

I often like to flex my healing prowess by pulling w2w if the tank is slow and gets salty. I like to look them deep in the eye as they are faced with their inadequacies and self important ego being deflated in real time.

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Originally Posted by Broken_Wind

Yes and no.

A lot of people like to tank because they enjoy pulling too
The more dps do this, the less people tank and the longer the queue times can be

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If people quit over something so trivial, we're honestly better off without them.

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Originally Posted by Broken_Wind

Yes and no.

A lot of people like to tank because they enjoy pulling too
The more dps do this, the less people tank and the longer the queue times can be

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Too late for me, this is why I don't tank pugs anymore.
If healers and DPS wanna grab all the things, then they're free too!
By themselves, as I leave the dungeon and hop my way to trusts.
It sucks especially when they rescue and you're new to the dungeon.

If you want more pulls then SAY SO.

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

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I hope your dinner burns today! >. >

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Originally Posted by Broken_Wind

Yes and no.

A lot of people like to tank because they enjoy pulling too
The more dps do this, the less people tank and the longer the queue times can be

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For every tank that gives up the role because they can't play the main character, there's a player that starts tanking because they are tired of people that don't know how to behave in a team. I actually started to tank exactly because I was tired of crybabies with anime main character syndrome.

Never happens to me because I know where my sprint button is.

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Originally Posted by Broken_Wind

Yes and no.

A lot of people like to tank because they enjoy pulling too
The more dps do this, the less people tank and the longer the queue times can be

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Who enjoys tank because they get to pull mobs?! That's a new one lol. I enjoy tank because I like big hp numbers and going brrr soak all the damage with my mits.

Relax yourself and just don't worry too much man. It will make tanking easier I promise. If you need to do single pulls say something to your party. Most people are nice especially when you're new

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Originally Posted by rewd

Both DPSing and healing will get aggro from enemies, so...

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only if the the tank off stance and afking. so,,,,

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

I often like to flex my healing prowess by pulling w2w if the tank is slow and gets salty. I like to look them deep in the eye as they are faced with their inadequacies and self important ego being deflated in real time.

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good thing kick is a thing then :)

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Originally Posted by Lilyth

If people quit over something so trivial, we're honestly better off without them.

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or just don't be rude???? its a thing you can do.

This has become a trend after the surge of WoW players. Additionally this was solidified behaviour after tanks have become essentially obsolete with the removal of enmity generation aspected attacks.

Tanks are redundant now. It takes nothing to be a tank anymore hence why a DPS can assume this position. In fact with a RDM you can easily solo a dungeon now. Healers are also becoming obsolete with self-sustain options on tanks. (Warriors can even solo content on their own).

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Originally Posted by Shin96

This has become a trend after the surge of WoW players. Additionally this was solidified behaviour after tanks have become essentially obsolete with the removal of enmity generation aspected attacks.

Tanks are redundant now. It takes nothing to be a tank anymore hence why a DPS can assume this position. In fact with a RDM you can easily solo a dungeon now. Healers are also becoming obsolete with self-sustain options on tanks. (Warriors can even solo content on their own).

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well this you got 100%. sadly most content do not need a tank or a healer or dps. you can go as 4 tanks and do fine or as 4 dps. 4 healers i think be a bit harder. but this what we will get as long as SE want to make this in to a solo game they can later port to mobile or something.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

good thing kick is a thing then :)

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I mean it's a free out and I can just requeue and get in another run within a few minutes. It's a win either way.

Every time one of these threads starts it’s a bunch of people justifying and rationalizing why it’s okay for them to pull for the tank and a few tanks enabling them. In game this isn’t the norm, while double pulling is. Most people will be respectful and try to get along and when DPS or heal pulls they find it annoying but will most often say nothing to keep the peace. So there it is.

Truth is it’s annoying and rude behavior. Even more so than a tank single pulling. The argument of respecting peoples time falls apart the moment you zoom out and realize you are playing a video game so everyone in the game is wasting time. Albeit doing something they enjoy.

So when you pull and aren’t the tank, nobody will like you for it. They may put up with you or at best not mind it too much, but it is noticed and mostly not appreciated. As long as you know this go ahead and keep justifying it.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Every time one of these threads starts it’s a bunch of people justifying and rationalizing why it’s okay for them to pull for the tank and a few tanks enabling them. In game this isn’t the norm, while double pulling is. Most people will be respectful and try to get along and when DPS or heal pulls they find it annoying but will most often say nothing to keep the peace. So there it is.

Truth is it’s annoying and rude behavior. Even more so than a tank single pulling. The argument of respecting peoples time falls apart the moment you zoom out and realize you are playing a video game so everyone in the game is wasting time. Albeit doing something they enjoy.

So when pull you and aren’t the tank, nobody will like you for it. They may put up with you or at best not mind it too much, but is is noticed and mostly not appreciated. As long as you know this go ahead and keep justifying it.

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I don't like it either but they do have the means of healing incoming damage after the initial pull. At that point letting them die looks like an act of arrogance on part of the tank. Respect in this game isn't common so I wouldn't expect it at all.

All they have to do is re-establish the holy trinity without the power creep and lack of balance. DPS simply shouldn't be both healers and tanks. Blame SE for their lack of perspective on this.

I'd also add that damage in this game means little to nothing anymore. You can eat vulnerability stacks without suffering significant damage.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

only if the the tank off stance and afking. so,,,,

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You are talking about keeping aggro, which is what a tank should do. I'm talking about getting aggro, which every role can do easily by just doing their "job" - as you said - that is dealing damage and healing.

The question is how are DPS are ahead of you to pull ahead if your wall to walling? The mobs die and everyone moves, the DPS should not be ahead of you enough to pull ever.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Every time one of these threads starts it’s a bunch of people justifying and rationalizing why it’s okay for them to pull for the tank and a few tanks enabling them.

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Hi, I'm the tank coming in to be an enabler. I just want to make it very clear that if you're a healer or dps in a group with me and pull ahead of me, I will first - wonder how you did that? Did I drop my controller or something?

Second, promptly catch up and reestablish control of the pull.

Third, maybe throw an aurora on you just for fun.

And finally, thank you internally for making this dungeon run a tiny bit more interesting.

Hmmm... As a tank main, I don't believe we have a priority in pulling unless it's a Trial/A-raid/Raid. Just pop a sprint when this happens, learn from things instead of being frustrated by them.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

and dps called so as he D P S or healer as he H E A L S so what your point here. maybe uf yoiu want to be the "leader" of the party then play as the tank.

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Tanks are not the leader of the party. There is no leader, everybody is equally important and needs to do their job. DPS kill enemies, Tanks get agro, healers keep people alive. There is no dedicated puller, and any tank who refuses to get agro because they didn't pull the mob or because they think they are the leader of the party is griefing.

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Originally Posted by rewd

You are talking about keeping aggro, which is what a tank should do. I'm talking about getting aggro, which every role can do easily by just doing their "job" - as you said - that is dealing damage and healing.

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ot as long as the tank doing it correctly. shame you never seen a good tank from what you saying

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

Tanks are not the leader of the party. There is no leader, everybody is equally important and needs to do their job. DPS kill enemies, Tanks get agro, healers keep people alive. There is no dedicated puller, and any tank who refuses to get agro because they didn't pull the mob or because they think they are the leader of the party is griefing.

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sadly not. in most dungeons lets say you don't need tanks or healers any more, so they are not that important. i call tank the leader as he the one pulling.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

sadly not. in most dungeons lets say you don't need tanks or healers any more, so they are not that important. i call tank the leader as he the one pulling.

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I am not the leader in a party, I am a member of a four person team. The idea of putting myself in a "leadership" position over three people that I am going to spend at most, the next 15 minutes with seems absurdly egotistical.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

sadly not. in most dungeons lets say you don't need tanks or healers any more, so they are not that important. i call tank the leader as he the one pulling.

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And people suggest FFXIV doesn't have a toxic casual problem.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

I am not the leader in a party, I am a member of a four person team. The idea of putting myself in a "leadership" position over three people that I am going to spend at most, the next 15 minutes with seems absurdly egotistical.

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but pulling for the tank never even give a fuck to ask for bigger pulls is not egotistical and rude at all. and as a tank i pull wall to wall as far as the party ,members are nice. but i rarely run by Randoms from DF for this reason.

Honestly I don’t mind if they do pull for me as when I am running towards the next group of enemies the mobs running after me are being damaged at the same time, and sometimes drops hate on me to the dps.

just press ur auto run and then take a sip of water, aint nobody got time to look at the scenery for 3 WHOLE SECONDS

oh and pls pull the bosses immediately too while at it (but not with ur gapcloser, dont screw ur melee pls)

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Originally Posted by Broken_Wind

As someone who likes tanking dungeons I've noticed a trend, at least on Materia, of DPS and Healers deciding to pull.

This can be in the form of using a ranged attack on an enemy I haven't reached yet (waiting to get into melee range for an AoE). Or if I pause for 3 seconds after a boss to take a drink of water, by the time I put the bottle back down the DPS has run off

I am not talking about the case where the tank only pulls one or two packs and the healer is encouraging to pull more by bringing a few friends. This isn't a small packs vs wall to wall issue.

I don't remember really ever seeing this on NA/JP DCs but maybe that's changed too?
Is this something players on other DCs are seeing?

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You probably don't use sprint a single time in a dungeon like 98% of tanks in FF. Use it on cioldown every pull. Problem solved

TL:DR. Get good

Talk with your party members at the start of the dungeon or during as needs require to be sure everyone is on the same page, it's actually that easy. It's also so easy to establish or take back main aggro as a tank (literally one button) that anyone not doing so is purposely throwing a tantrum or playing poorly. The dungeons for the most part are designed for double pulls and any healer/tank combo has all the tools needed to handle these by 50.

Any tank refusing to do the tasks of their role in an attempt to "punish" the other members of their party is literally breaking ToS so good luck with that. If you don't want big pulls for some reason, clearly establish that to your party and if they don't want to go along with it then simply leave. It'll save everyone the headache and reports on both sides when the conversation inevitably goes sideways due to egos, unless they start overtly harassing you.

Posting in a bait thread, let's go

I saw it on light DC all the time because I'm doing it myself.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Talk with your party members at the start of the dungeon or during as needs require to be sure everyone is on the same page, it's actually that easy. It's also so easy to establish or take back main aggro as a tank (literally one button) that anyone not doing so is purposely throwing a tantrum or playing poorly. The dungeons for the most part are designed for double pulls and any healer/tank combo has all the tools needed to handle these by 50.

Any tank refusing to do the tasks of their role in an attempt to "punish" the other members of their party is literally breaking ToS so good luck with that. If you don't want big pulls for some reason, clearly establish that to your party and if they don't want to go along with it then simply leave. It'll save everyone the headache and reports on both sides when the conversation inevitably goes sideways due to egos, unless they start overtly harassing you.

Posting in a bait thread, let's go

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SO BECOUSE people wont to force you and being rude you need to take a 30 min bad form DF? sounds logical to you?

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

SO BECOUSE people wont to force you and being rude you need to take a 30 min bad form DF? sounds logical to you?

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Majority rules friendo. If the majority of the party wants to go slow then the speedrunner should bow out. You aren't being forced to do anything as you are free to leave if a party isn't meeting your desires, so yes very logical to me.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Majority rules friendo. If the majority of the party wants to go slow then the speedrunner should bow out. You aren't being forced to do anything as you are free to leave if a party isn't meeting your desires, so yes very logical to me.

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but you are not FREE to leave. if there be no 30 min time out then it be free, but as king as it there its any thing but free. that why people acting rude in df. as they fell they got the power to force others and treat them as trash.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

but you are not FREE to leave. if there be no 30 min time out then it be free, but as king as it there its any thing but free. that why people acting rude in df. as they fell they got the power to force others and treat them as trash.

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A player being tank has no right to hold a run hostage if they throw a tantrum either. So communicate and sort it out without letting your ego get bruised or leave.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

It's obviously not something that everyone simply starts doing, but learning to pull fast as a tank pretty much eliminates the need for dps or healers to pull anything. The sooner one learns this, the better.

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Completely true, learn by doing.

It's obviously not something that everyone simply starts doing, but learning to pull fast as a tank pretty much eliminates the need for dps or healers to pull anything. The sooner one learns this, the better.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

A player being tank has no right to hold a run hostage if they throw a tantrum either. So communicate and sort it out without letting your ego get bruised or leave. .

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no one say they do. i all for talking . problem is most of the players don't even know there is a chat. what can you talk to people that cant even care to say hi at the start of a run to the party.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

no one say they do. i all for talking . problem s most of the players don't even know there is a chat. what can you talk to people that cant even care to say hi at the start of a run to the party.

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I won't agree with the statement that most players don't know there is a chat as it's a rather huge HUD element, though I do know a minority of players turn off the chat box. I can't speak as to how you interact with other players in dungeons but I will just say if the vast majority of your interactions result in this apparent frustration you have to acknowledge the comment element and reflect on it and think on how to improve it in the future.

The one silver lining about Duty Support becoming a standard option is that now single-pull tanks will have a safe environment to better learn their kits and maybe one day feel confident to do the playstyle considered standard by the playerbase.

It's boring to heal small packs.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

I won't agree with the statement that most players don't know there is a chat as it's a rather huge HUD element, though I do know a minority of players turn off the chat box. I can't speak as to how you interact with other players in dungeons but I will just say if the vast majority of your interactions result in this apparent frustration you have to acknowledge the comment element and reflect on it and think on how to improve it in the future.

The one silver lining about Duty Support becoming a standard option is that now single-pull tanks will have a safe environment to better learn their kits and maybe one day feel confident to do the playstyle considered standard by the playerbase.

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what i mean by that is they never use it.so it looks as they don't know its there. all i want from people is to be nice say hi at the start and we all run on. but when the first thing you get is move it slow ass. it some what not nice. may even say rude. i improve it by really go solo. i at last getting a party of 2 more before i go. save me and some Randoms lots of BS.

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Originally Posted by lbr

It's boring to heal small packs.

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so you ask not force. dont pull for the tank and do not pull the tank just use the chat. ask for it and see what's up.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

what i mean by that is they never use it.so it looks as they don't know its there. all i want from people is to be nice say hi at the start and we all run on. but when the first thing you get is move it slow ass. it some what not nice. may even say rude. i improve it by really go solo. i at last getting a party of 2 more before i go. save me and some Randoms lots of BS.


so you ask not force. dont pull for the tank and do not pull the tank just use the chat. ask for it and see what's up.

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Nah, I'll just pull a convenient pack in the vicinity. It's no big deal.

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Originally Posted by SamsaraTrickstar

so you ask not force. dont pull for the tank and do not pull the tank just use the chat. ask for it and see what's up.

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I do. If the tank is slow, I will say in the chat and tell everyone to blame me if the tank dies due to pulling too much. That does not mean I will not pull nearby packs to help speed things up.