Ishgard Housing No Lottery For Wards

Lottery is the only fair approach imo.

Respectfully, no thanks. There's a reason they changed the system, I support it. Good riddance imho.

Those complaining about lottery for ishgard prolly have never experienced a new housing ward/region release, you literally have less than 5mins to login and get large/medium houses and 20-30mins for small. They do actually go that fast especially in the popular servers, and for many this is just straight impossible to do. So a lottery is really the only decent solution until the completely overhaul housing, drop so many new wards to cover the player base or add personal homes...

My issue is more i dislike having to put money in, wait, hope, and then if i dont get the plot i lost my chance entirely so for entire fresh wards it's a bit rough to have 'em all be lottery. a few FCFS wards alongside the lottery ones would be best, imo.

As some one who has spent nearly 70 hours over 3 months clicking a damn place card while working a full time job, part time job and looking after her ailing parents and not winning a damn thing except heath problems. I have spent nearly all of my free time that i have for thr game clicking f'n place cards. Its NOT a good system for people who have other things to do and encourages botting. Yes i have friends who have explicitly stated that they are waiting for the lotto system becasue they understand how bs the fcfs system is and they rather play the game they are paying for.
I get bith sides of the argument but what it breaks down to is that the fcfs sytem is bad. Its bad for the physical and mental heath of the player. Its bad encouraging going against tos.
As some one who has spent .. no wasted 70 hours of her life of the bushit system, i cant f'n wait for lotto. I'll finally be able to play the game i love

These guys definitely only see the title of thread, enraged and just post with out reading lol.

95% of the people asking for any form of non-full lottery implementation already have a house. What does that say about this community?

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

These guys definitely only see the title of thread, enraged and just post with out reading lol.

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Posters who intentionally mislead with their thread titles don't deserve their posts read.

The Forum begged for Lottery, now they shall receive it. I'm in for 100% Lottery wards.

as someone who spent about 40hrs though out the week for weeks with no house to show for it i decided to wait for ishgard intially figuring i would have a shot of logging in and getting to a house first, then finding out it was going to be the lottery system i was a bit disappointed but its basically RNG on who wins no matter how you cut it whether you be the lucky click or better internet to log in or just putting your name in a bid and hope for the best. my only problem with the lottery for ishgards release is the fact some plots are going to have more people bid on them then other plots just by chance. for this case personally i would rather they have mass pulls since they have plots valued at different prices anyhow you just put a bid on that value meaning you would be able to win any of the houses from that bracket. granted it would take away from being able to choose your ideal location but for me i just want a small house to call my own. honestly lottery has its own drawbacks but the first come system is far worse.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

These guys definitely only see the title of thread, enraged and just post with out reading lol.

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I'd like to see some FCFS wards. Half would be nice but even 1/4 would be good. Just for the initial 6.1 release then having them switched over to entire lottery wouldn't be terrible. There's something special about the mad rush for housing right on patch drop and it would give people a opportunity beyond 100% luck to gain a plot they seek.

Hope it's lottery only. Allowing some to be fcfs for the new area is just asking house flippers to buy them up with a fc and sell the fc for really high prices..

I still laugh at people screeching about the lottery system in housing. Of course instance housing would be amazing but for some design/technical reason SE won't do this. This only leaves Placard EX or a free for all where if you miss the servers opening then you are out of luck. To all the people pushing against this why not put your effort into something that will help the game, like bringing HW style class balance back. Do you really want to die on the hill that is placard camping?

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Originally Posted by CosmicCoqui

Hope it's lottery only. Allowing some to be fcfs for the new area is just asking house flippers to buy them up with a fc and sell the fc for really high prices..

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Did you get the note, that every player of an FC can participate in the lottery if he have the gil and the permission to buy a Plot for the FC? Time to Level Alts for better chances it is :D

Someone who the current system favors is unhappy that it's being changed to no longer favor them? Wow I'm shocked.

I'll put my hand in the hat for full lottery as well.

As has been mentioned by previous posters, this is the only way to ensure everyone who would like a house is given a fair shot at it instead of disadvantaging those who are unable to login immediately at 6.1 release due to real life obligations.

Any reduction in the availability of housing plots due to FCFS wards would equate to a loss in opportunity for such players and I would not support FCFS vehemently.

The demand for housing outstrips the amount of wards and plots available in the game,. Unless they just keep adding wards on demand or make all housing instanced, this situation never really improves. I will, however, take a lottery system over a first come, first server camping system. I'd rather just log in, find out I've lost after entering a raffle than spending hours waiting for the plot to drop (which I've done several times and lost all of them). I dislike that the FC lotteries can have multiple entries when it should one entry per FC regardless of your size, having more members doesn't entitle you to a house over a smaller FC.

The launch of new housing wards was always going to be messy but these new mechanics are much better quality of life for when plots become available over the months and years ahead as players come and go. I appreciate that a bunch of players have waited years for Ishgard housing and have found ways to more effectively work the existing system but that doesn't mean you're entitled to a house or your preferred acquisition system for getting one.

Even if the houses had a random timer starting with the servers opening i'd rather have a lotto, now and forever over the FCFS we have right now. An auction starting at a set time would be better imo.

I’m all for full lottery upon release. It makes it completely fair for everyone to have a chance to put their bid in for a house of their choice. Yeah you might not win but that’s how lottery goes. It’s chance. This is fair all the way around. No FCFS wards please. Not even 1-2. All lottery. Thank you.

probably unpopular opinion here but wouldn't it be fairer for the people who built up the firmament and got their titles/went under the top 100 to have the first come first serve option?

i mean, hundreds of people were working for hours (and i mean 8h+ for some) but now everyone and their mother can buy a house via lottery, seems very unfair to me bc there are the players who did nothing and only came to grab the fêtes.
on my server these fête only players even shouted about how they'll buy a house and made fun of the hard workers...

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Originally Posted by miep

probably unpopular opinion here but wouldn't it be fairer for the people who built up the firmament and got their titles/went under the top 100 to have the first come first serve option?

i mean, hundreds of people were working for hours (and i mean 8h+ for some) but now everyone and their mother can buy a house via lottery, seems very unfair to me bc there are the players who did nothing and only came to grab the fêtes.
on my server these fête only players even shouted about how they'll buy a house and made fun of the hard workers...

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We have literally built nothing. SE could have just as easily plopped the new district down all of a sudden and said that restoration has occured while we were doing other things. Tying ability to buy Empyreum plots to Restoration participation is an awful idea. And I say that as Saint of the Firmament.

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Originally Posted by miep

probably unpopular opinion here but wouldn't it be fairer for the people who built up the firmament and got their titles/went under the top 100 to have the first come first serve option?

i mean, hundreds of people were working for hours (and i mean 8h+ for some) but now everyone and their mother can buy a house via lottery, seems very unfair to me bc there are the players who did nothing and only came to grab the fêtes.
on my server these fête only players even shouted about how they'll buy a house and made fun of the hard workers...

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Why would it make sense for people who already got an exclusive reward to also get rewarded again for the same thing?

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Originally Posted by Azuri

We have literally built nothing. SE could have just as easily plopped the new district down all of a sudden and said that restoration has occured while we were doing other things. Tying ability to buy Empyreum plots to Restoration participation is an awful idea. And I say that as Saint of the Firmament.

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yes they could have done that but they didn't :( and still we were hoarding items for hours instead of doing other things. i just think it's unfair to not have a higher chance or even 100% chance of getting a house there. i'd give my own house and fc house in a heartbeat to finally (after 6 years) have an fc house in empyreum...

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Originally Posted by miep

yes they could have done that but they didn't :( and still we were hoarding items for hours instead of doing other things. i just think it's unfair to not have a higher chance or even 100% chance of getting a house there. i'd give my own house and fc house in a heartbeat to finally (after 6 years) have an fc house in empyreum...

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You did all of it of your own volition. You could have just not participated and it would have changed nothing. We all knew from the start Restoration would have never "failed". I don't see why someone should receive an extra reward for actions that had zero influence on that reward even being possible.

They have stated enormous times that not everyone is supposed to have a house, or ever be able to get one. They want houses to essentially be bragging rights. A prestigious badge that only so few have, and they are accompanied with bragging rights if you managed to get one. It's clear the community has forgotten about this over the years. Housing was mentioned at the start of the release of housing that it's a privilege not a right. Housing flippers have over abused those privileges trying to make money to the point that now this lottery system is result of that greed.

This is a similar topic, as I'm hoping they see this as its a part of the housing lottery info from the Live Letter. This is coming from an Australian in the new Materia DC.

You mentioned in the Live Letter that fcfs might be considered if there's demand, there is demand, please reconsider! The lottery system is meant to alleviate the need for players to placard spam to try and get a house, and to a lesser extent, alleviate the housing crisis. On our brand new Materia DC/Servers, this isn't a problem yet, as none of the housing districts are even open, let alone have any problems to require the lottery system. I completely understand the need for it on well established servers that are lucky to even see a house for sale at the moment, let alone get it.

Waiting 2 more months is a long time, especially if its 100% lottery it'll be even longer depending on RNG :( Having all 5 districts open on Materia DC on 1 day will be even harder on the servers congestion, than just Ishgard opening like everywhere else.

Can you please consider opening the older districts (Mists, Lav Beds, Goblet, Shirogane) for Materia DC before 6.1 as fcfs, then when 6.1 comes out with Ishgard, Emperyum can be whatever suits the situation then?

If not sooner, can we please have some fcfs? 100% lottery on 100% empty lots that have never been owned just doesn't make sense for our DC :(

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Have fun fighting against 100+ people for plots now everyone. c:

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No problem. Until instanced housing is released (if ever) it would be vastly improved in comparison to the current system. If I lost out, at least I would know that it future, in a lottery based-system, I would have a realistic chance of getting a house with a realistic time investment. Not like at present when I don't even try.

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Originally Posted by Musings

Agreed with the first two posters here.

Please make SOME of the first wards in 6.1 FCFS.

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They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

To the comment that people just read the title. i don't see that at all. People don't want people to live the way the current system is. The OP literally stated he spent 24 hours of his life clicking. Will more people try yes. And that is great. I hope everyone who has progressed far enough tries. That kind of participation are numbers SE can look at. I know dozens of people who don't try but would like a house, but make due with a room.


If i am reading reddit right this is all moot anyways.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

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This is false. Lodestone data shows that across data centers 70% of the houses are owned as personals. Out of the 30% of the houses which are owned by FCs, less than 1% of those are owned by FCs of fewer than 4 members:
https://www.xivhousing.com/monthly-statistics

I do agree that workshop access should not be tied to housing.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

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And still have we 70% Personal Houses and only 30% FC Houses. Yeah those bad Solo-FCs. /s

So... Do I need to join the lottery to relocate? Because I was hoping to try to relocate to a large in Ishgard. And I don't like my odds playing the lottery x.x

If supply was roughly equal to demand, first come first serve would make sense.

Since demand is significantly higher than supply, the lottery is needed to add some measure of fairness to purchases in a badly designed ward system that will never be anything but unfair.

The purchase system needs to be consistent across the board, not weighted to favor certain players who are able to partake in multiple types of purchase systems.

If SE wants to use both FCFS and lottery then players should be forced to choose which purchase system they will use and forfeit their ability to participate in the other. Otherwise the advantage goes to those players who get to "double dip" by being in the lottery at at the same time they're placard camping.

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Originally Posted by miep

probably unpopular opinion here but wouldn't it be fairer for the people who built up the firmament and got their titles/went under the top 100 to have the first come first serve option?

i mean, hundreds of people were working for hours (and i mean 8h+ for some) but now everyone and their mother can buy a house via lottery, seems very unfair to me bc there are the players who did nothing and only came to grab the fêtes.
on my server these fête only players even shouted about how they'll buy a house and made fun of the hard workers...

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No. The Firmament wasn't about getting an advantage in housing. It was about having an end game for crafting/gathering along with a new leveling option.

Players shouldn't be locked out of new and future content because they weren't able to play at a specific period in time in the past. That would be horrible game design.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

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This has never happened. The solo FCs wouldn't start filling up the wards until weeks after release, not on release.

The last time we had a personal purchase moratorium on new ward release (5.1), most worlds (a few highly populated worlds like Balmung being an exception) still had several smalls left when the moratorium was lifted. I know because I did a quick census a couple of days before using my various data center alts. The ward addition with a personal purchse moratorium prior to that (4.2) saw most worlds with dozens if not hundreds of vacant plots months later (though that certainly wouldn't have happened if the game population at that time was close to what it's been the last 2 years).

The 5.3 ward addition sold out within an hour because there was no personal purchase moratorium.

FC demand for houses is less than players seeking a personal house fear. There's no problem with SE weighting availability slightly toward FCs on release. It means players seeking a personal house may have a longer wait but FCs need to have the priority because there is FC specific content gated by house ownership.

That said, SE needs to stamp out all those shell FCs that solo players run for workshop access and other housing related reasons. The small changes coming in 6.1 at best slows down the practice. It won't stop it and every player who's allowed to have multiple houses (even if each is on a different world) means there are other players unable to obtain a house at all.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

So... Do I need to join the lottery to relocate? Because I was hoping to try to relocate to a large in Ishgard. And I don't like my odds playing the lottery x.x

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Relocation now follows the same rules as new purchase whether it's lottery or FCFS. There's no more bypassing purchase timers to get first shot.

I answered a question that was already answered. WOMP WOMP.

So I'll just note for the people who suggested creating a bunch of alts for extra entries - A fresh alt cannot actually walk into Ishgard and buy a house. You must meet several in-game requirements to access the Empyreum. IF you were to create a bunch of alts AND fulfill all of the requirements on every alt AND won the house on one of those alts, the house would be bound to that alt with absolutely no way to transfer to your main. The "Instant transfer" system was removed in Endwalker so you wouldn't be able to take advantage of that any longer. It's not practical if your goal is to have a house on your main character. But....I guess if you wanted to make your winning alt your new main then...maybe? It just seems like a huge waste of time for very little if any reward.

I also would prefer some of the wards be left as first come first serve. A friend and I have a home and would very much like to relocate to shirogane. Our chances of being next to each other are way better if we can be somewhat in charge of our own luck as opposed to rng deciding for us.

I personally think half of the wards is too many but please leave a few for people in all the areas for people who like the older system.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

You do not know just how bad this is going to be for you. You say that going against a Bot is bad. It's really not. I spend 3 days, 8 hours a day, clicking on the placard with my controller and won my house after moving over from Excalibur.

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This is so hilarious, I felt I needed to quote it to make sure it lives on, even if the original posting goes poof.

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

This is so hilarious, I felt I needed to quote it to make sure it lives on, even if the original posting goes poof.

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I mean, he only spent 3 days of 8 hours non stop camping! What's so tough about that, it's so easy!

That should be the bare minimum one should do if a player wants a house real bad, sure beats just dropping your name in the lottery plot and not having waste your time and energy spamming a placard in the hopes of getting a house against the many bots clickers out there. [/Sarcasm]

I would like to point out one other aspect of the proposed lottery system that, in my opinion, makes it THE most fair system to be implemented. With regards to FCs, yes all the members of an FC can place bids on a single property. Larger FCs can therefore place more bids on a single property than smaller FCs or individual players. HOWEVER, from what I understand of the proposed system, each person belonging to that large FC, who places their bid on that property, effectively ties up their right to make any further bids on any other properties. This takes them out of the marketplace until that property has been awarded to someone. So yes, Let FCs go buck wild on trying to ensure that they get their dream house. It just means less competition for other players for other properties until that property has been awarded.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

I mean, he only spent 3 days of 8 hours non stop camping! What's so tough about that, it's so easy!

That should be the bare minimum one should do if a player wants a house real bad, sure beats just dropping your name in the lottery plot and not having waste your time and energy spamming a placard in the hopes of getting a house against the many bots clickers out there. [/Sarcasm]

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He got a house, didn't he? Did you win the most recent raffle you participated in? You get two chances in the housing patch. Once for Ishgard, then once for the houses the relocated house owners left behind. I've been saying for years this is a bad idea but it's coming so I hope people will enjoy never getting a house.