Same fate happened to JP popular streamer

The game should lock people out of sending any tells, invites, etc while you are in the initial tutorial. A fairly simple fix, have it set to auto busy until your into the full world.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

Pekora is part of Hololive. I think they might have recently started showing interest in FFXIV because one of the things that came through my FFXIV search was another Hololive member Fubuki watching i believe the recent launch trailer for Endwalker. I don't think atm any of them has streamed an open world MMO before as they tend to do offline games, normal multiplayer games, or minecraft on their own private server. Not really things their fans can just show up on. So I suppose streaming an MMO for the first time when already being a well known streamer was probably overwhelming.

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Fubuki seems to have been playing Shadowbringer and talked about it on stream(but not playing) and recently did a stream of the live letter. Another is Ina from Hole-EN who seems to be ready for Endwalker and has cleared Ultimates.
Some time ago Hole-ID gen1 did stream the game, but not nearly the same dogpile.

It will be interesting what happens with Irys, will she experience the same problems when she starts streaming it.

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Originally Posted by Kisshu

Fubuki seems to have been playing Shadowbringer and talked about it on stream(but not playing) and recently did a stream of the live letter. Another is Ina from Hole-EN who seems to be ready for Endwalker and has cleared Ultimates.
Some time ago Hole-ID gen1 did stream the game, but not nearly the same dogpile.

It will be interesting what happens with Irys, will she experience the same problems when she starts streaming it.

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I think the English Vshojo group has streamed FFXIV a few times. But I don't think they did so while trying to play game content. I believe they just did a sort of fan party event in game as a group to interact with their viewers.

In Pekora's case though I think it was more of a shock than anything else. Kind of similar to those situations in the past where a super popular radio personality decides to do a live event somewhere for the first time and gets mobbed by fans at the venue.

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

... It has nothing to do with intentional harassment (although it certainly is disruptive behavior). ...

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Ummm, it does. There was a group of FF14 players that were calling on everyone to mass report Asmongold when he started playing. They claimed he is toxic and didn't want him in the game. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Nekaru_Infitima

Who. Cares.

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Indeed.

ITT: "Famous people draw crowds, and some individuals in the crowds... are jerks. Film at 11."

But wait, I show my age. Sorry bout that, how embarrassing. Silly boomer.

Ahem.

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Mhmm.

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Originally Posted by Setesh45

I don't like vtubers either, I'm yet to see one that's actually funny. All I see are weird, stiff 2D gifs making weird noises, baiting people to watch using obscenity.

I don't need to bully anyone though, if I don't like it I don't watch it, problem solved. I don't get why people feel the need to stalk them if they don't like them.

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one of them mentioned that taiwan is a country, you can guess how a certain part of the fanbase reacted - and how the company behind those vtubers obviously catered to those people instead of standing behind their idol ;)

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

one of them mentioned that taiwan is a country, you can guess how a certain part of the fanbase reacted - and how the company behind those vtubers obviously catered to those people instead of standing behind their idol ;)

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Hard to be right when China is right.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

one of them mentioned that taiwan is a country, you can guess how a certain part of the fanbase reacted - and how the company behind those vtubers obviously catered to those people instead of standing behind their idol ;)

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That was quite the debacle but the company ended up siding with their talents fortunately and I'm pretty sure they're blacklisted from operations in China now. One however did eventually retire this year and people like to gossip that it's fallout from the incident last year.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

That was quite the debacle but the company ended up siding with their talents fortunately and I'm pretty sure they're blacklisted from operations in China now. One however did eventually retire this year and people like to gossip that it's fallout from the incident last year.

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they sided with the talent only when the rest of the fanbase complained a hecking lot, plus, said talent got noticeably less advertisements and collaborations with the others after the drama happened, something which clearly affected her a heckton - just look how many followers her non-holo vtuber persona got after she "retired to focus on a behind the camera role"

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

they sided with the talent only when the rest of the fanbase complained a hecking lot, plus, said talent got noticeably less advertisements and collaborations with the others after the drama happened, something which clearly affected her a heckton - just look how many followers her non-holo vtuber persona got after she "retired to focus on a behind the camera role"

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True, my main point was that they did side with the talent even if it was because of fanbase backlash. Most companies say screw the fanbase and cater to the Chinese market instead.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

True, my main point was that they did side with the talent even if it was because of fanbase backlash. Most companies say screw the fanbase and cater to the Chinese market instead.

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true true, though I asked a friend who's heavily into vtubers and he said that they still do content and cater to the chinese market, despite coco and fubuki being harassed for weeks/months by said groups, so I wouldn't particularly say that they've stopped doing business there :P

Whats wrong witih talking about the sovereign nation of Taiwan or their western province of China?

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

true true, though I asked a friend who's heavily into vtubers and he said that they still do content and cater to the chinese market, despite coco and fubuki being harassed for weeks/months by said groups, so I wouldn't particularly say that they've stopped doing business there :P

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They did cease their CH branch, and cut ties with their talent there who may or may not have spurred harrassment against Coco. Smart move, considering how much EN exploded.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

They did cease their CH branch, and cut ties with their talent there who may or may not have spurred harrassment against Coco. Smart move, considering how much EN exploded.

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China's market actually isn't holding the weight it used to because the growth or expansion of their economy has slowed considerably in recent years. So choices like that may become more common going forward.

Wasn't Coco also attacked repeatedly by those Reset Era or Cancel Culture people as well?

probably, those groups hate everything that doesn't fit their narrow world view

I remember some people from that realm trying to start something over Gura, but not Coco.

Apparently, Pekora's continued playing offstream, and got to around Tamtara Deepcroft. Also, bans are being doled out to players who were stream sniping her. So there's that, at least.

IRyS is going to be streaming today, and folks have been warning her about steps she can take to curtail this. Hopefully folks have taken the hint by now, though.

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Apparently, Pekora's continued playing offstream, and got to around Tamtara Deepcroft. Also, bans are being doled out to players who were stream sniping her. So there's that, at least.

IRyS is going to be streaming today, and folks have been warning her about steps she can take to curtail this. Hopefully folks have taken the hint by now, though.

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Honestly I'd say Pekora's biggest issue was streaming right from the start at character creation. Starting out fresh it's really easy to figure out where she's at since there's 3 starting locations and its chosen by the job selected at creation. And starting out you don't even have access to the teleport ability. If she'd played a bit first to unlock some of the game's features gated behind the MSQ the swarming might not have been as bad or at least she would have had options for running away. Limsa tends to be crowded to begin with. A massive swarm of fans following you around while trying to do the initial ARR MSQ line and + symbol sidequests to unlock things would definitely have an extremely high annoyance potential. But after progressing a bit I could see fun to be had with viewers doing trials, 8 and 24 player raids, bozja, eureka, super fates, etc... It would probably take someone with her popularity just to get enough ppl to show up in order to do some of the earlier super fates. Though in her case it would probably overpopulate the area creating the lag fest we all experienced when new ones were added with an expansion launch.

Honestly surprised they haven't consulted the actual resident XIV player on-staff for advice on setting up the HUD and stream elements to hide identifying info to make it harder to swarm the others.

I think Ina mentioned that she won't help them with any early level stuff due to her being a triple legend and wanting them to play the game as first timers
plus, if someone would set their stuff up it might mean less content :P

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

I think Ina mentioned that she won't help them with any early level stuff due to her being a triple legend and wanting them to play the game as first timers
plus, if someone would set their stuff up it might mean less content :P

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For some reason... I feel like Ina should be somewhere on Ultros... >.> lol

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

I think Ina mentioned that she won't help them with any early level stuff due to her being a triple legend and wanting them to play the game as first timers
plus, if someone would set their stuff up it might mean less content :P

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Yeah I just think it'd be prudent to ask a seasoned player on setting up their HUD and other settings to minimize the ability to stream snipe, not so much helping them actually play cause yeah that'd be a handhold-y nightmare for her I'm sure. Menu navigation wouldn't be content anyway, at least not to me and best done prior to going live.

Did the shork mention any interest in joining 14?

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Originally Posted by Neri

Did the shork mention any interest in joining 14?

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Same-desu has not traditionally played MMO's AFAIK and has not expressed interest in any streams I've seen. .. would be fun to have them all in one party though.

IRyS appeared to have people following her while playing on her stream, but they were at least giving her space and not dogpiling like they were doing on Pekora's

I think no streamer/vtuber is expecting for no one to follow them when playing a mmo, but to be followed and to have a clown fiesta all over you hindering your gameplay experience are two very different things

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Originally Posted by Bhearil

I think no streamer/vtuber is expecting for no one to follow them when playing a mmo, but to be followed and to have a clown fiesta all over you hindering your gameplay experience are two very different things

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Yeah. Also appears SE has been handing bans out to the nuisance stream snipers that were on Pekora's stream. These are probably just temp bans but I think they go on past the early access or launch of EW as there have been comments about it being kind of dumb to get yourself banned for something like that right before the launch. Someone in my FC decided to confirm if she was on our world or not and went to the spot she was at on her stream at the time and saw it empty. On 1 hand it would have been kind of cool to have a well known streamer on our world. On the other it was also breathing a sigh of relief that our world wouldn't be suffering from daily server congestion. XD

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IRyS appeared to have people following her while playing on her stream, but they were at least giving her space and not dogpiling like they were doing on Pekora's

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This was good to see. However she did take an absolute boatload of precautions before getting to the online world so people couldn't spam her from the getgo.
It's a bummer they gotta do that.. but good to see that once she got in and they found her they behaved mostly.

Well unfortunately being a virtual "idol" means you are still a celebrity and fans want to see you.

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I don't think most have malice of the vtubers however and wait till you see or rather don't see Yoshi-P in game because of the crowds. Irys' stream was pretty behaved however.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

I don't think most have malice of the vtubers however and wait till you see or rather don't see Yoshi-P in game because of the crowds. Irys' stream was pretty behaved however.

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I think it's because the NA players already learn the lesson from Asmongold's first day, while JP barely watched him.

I guess the ban wave from Pekora's stream will give a lesson to them as well...

I think the majority of FFXIV players, and nousagi alike want her to have a good time playing- nobody's going to mourn if the snipers get some bans for harassing her, and following her around preventing her from doing anything for her whole stream is pretty clear harassment.

Lucky us, SE's one of the only company's that'll actually take action against snipers.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

I think Ina mentioned that she won't help them with any early level stuff due to her being a triple legend and wanting them to play the game as first timers
plus, if someone would set their stuff up it might mean less content :P

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Doesn't really have to hold their hands to point out which UI elements to disable so they don't give their home server away right from the start, but eh...

If I were to guess though, in addition to the precautions recommended by Ina, Irys' viewership is a couple magnitudes smaller than Pekora's and being US/EN based the bans from Asmon's debut stream were still fresh in their minds I'd wager, hopefully Pekora's viewers have learled their lessons too.

yeah, I somehow didn't read the UI part of the post I responded too lmao, I completely agree with you and silverobi about that

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Doesn't really have to hold their hands to point out which UI elements to disable so they don't give their home server away right from the start, but eh...

If I were to guess though, in addition to the precautions recommended by Ina, Irys' viewership is a couple magnitudes smaller than Pekora's and being US/EN based the bans from Asmon's debut stream were still fresh in their minds I'd wager, hopefully Pekora's viewers have learled their lessons too.

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That too. I think Pekora is the 2nd most popular female streamer in Japan. She apparently watched some of Asmon's debut stream to try getting an idea what to expect. However it seems like that wasn't enough to fully prepare her which most likely is due to her influence being a considerable amount larger than his coupled with having her server and character name come out right on the stream as she streamed the actual creation of her character with her viewers.