Can we get an immersive mode without teleport?

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Originally Posted by RushRiviera

It would just be nice not to have the temptation and actually be restricted to a different playstyle. Seems like it might be really easy to add so why not?

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I always add support for features that make someone else's game better for them, but have no effect on me. So, +1.

In the meantime, for 99% the same experience, drag the teleport button off your action bars. Turn the 1% temptation to drag it back into some kind of RP thing where the teleport action is addictive and your character is recovering from that addiction, vowing never again to touch that teleport. You remember the chirurgeon saying 'one more time and your liver's just going to up and quit,' but your hand trembles as you resist the temptation. You instead grip your '7 Days No Teleports' chip and remember your friends and acquaintances that are fighting the same battle.

You turn and head towards the nearest Tel-Anon meeting.

/shrug

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I never played FFXI but it sounds like the vessel is traveling through game world assets that already exist for other purposes?

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In essence, when you take the ferry or airship in FFXI, it loads you into what is essentially like our Ocean Fishing instance, except the vessel appears to be moving with landmarks below you can see. You can't jump off or otherwise arrive earlier or at a different location.

You simply sit on the boat and just wait until you arrive at your destination. The only thing that makes it interesting is that you can fish on the ferry, and occasionally special events might happen like a pirate attack or special monster might pop.

It's good in that it encourages socialization while you're stuck waiting, but it's a very different game than FFXIV in that there really was a lot of time wasting just waiting around for stuff.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I never played FFXI but it sounds like the vessel is traveling through game world assets that already exist for other purposes?

The problem here is much of the "world" doesn't exist as game assets. There is no seamless world we're traveling through, just isolated zones and our characters is "skipped" across blank space between them.

I like immersion but I also have more time on my hands than the average player. The vast majority of players will always opt for fast travel because they simply don't have the time more immersive travel would require.

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FFXI had a world map like a classic FF rpg would have, which airships and boats would travel on. Originally there was one planned for FFXIV too, though that was like.. 10 years ago lol.

You could have an incident in FFXI like missing the boat which causes you to miss your airship which causes you to not be with your group who travels to a content, then you die on your way.. or something. Not always but it /could/ take upwards of 30 to an hour to get what you were intending to do. Yeeeehaaaa... lol

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Are you asking for a no teleport mode or are you asking for an entirely new form of game play.

No teleport mode already exists as others have said. You simply don't put the teleport options on your hotbars/keybinds. I have a friend who plays once of his characters that way (along with a few other self imposed restrictions). He only travels on foot (no mount) and doesn't use transportation options unless it's the only way to get to another place (for instance, needing to use the Vesper Bay ferry to get from Vylbrand to Thanalan).

It just takes a little self-discipline instead of asking SE to waste developer time programming a specific game mode almost no one would use because foot travel takes too long when players only have a few hours a day to play.


I never played FFXI but it sounds like the vessel is traveling through game world assets that already exist for other purposes?

The problem here is much of the "world" doesn't exist as game assets. There is no seamless world we're traveling through, just isolated zones and our characters is "skipped" across blank space between them.

I like immersion but I also have more time on my hands than the average player. The vast majority of players will always opt for fast travel because they simply don't have the time more immersive travel would require.

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Which is fine i still feel they can input it as an instance transportation for those who wish for it (completely optional thst could have its own possibility for rewards)

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Originally Posted by Shougun

FFXI had a world map like a classic FF rpg would have, which airships and boats would travel on. Originally there was one planned for FFXIV too, though that was like.. 10 years ago lol.

You could have an incident in FFXI like missing the boat which causes you to miss your airship which causes you to not be with your group who travels to a content, then you die on your way.. or something. Not always but it /could/ take upwards of 30 to an hour to get what you were intending to do. Yeeeehaaaa... lol

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Yeah I guess it would be for the next MMO, however, developing them has become expensive to the point where I don't think we'll see something like that again. And XI was awesome, but to be frank, 30 to an hour was an insane amount of time. So it doesnt need to be that extreme, in XIV I perceive an overcorrection of this though. Where if you simply flew or even traveled by land you can get anywhere within 10 minutes, and thats very tolerable even for time sensitive people IMO. What I dislike is the teleporting being everywhere and super cheap, I mean, you can even port to a city, so you can port next to the most important buildings because you don't want to walk 10 seconds. They have teleports for the teleport hubs.

And so dont use it, but the thing is if I could just talk to an NPC to get raid gear for free on the spot I would just do that instead of doing the fights, and I don't think the game would be better for it. If you could lie to the NPCs about having completed the dungeons and move on with the MSQ all the instances would be dead for the most part, people would just do that, but it wouldn't be a better game for it and it'd be pretty dead if you ask me.

But yeah its too late for any of this. Best case scenario I would just +1 a slow travel server (personally I think this would be on the easier sides of implementation, just disable teleporting in general). No need to change everyones game. I would be curious if it would thrive.

To be truly immersive, rather than the 20 minutes that EQ had, or the time FFXI had, it should take you months to get where you are going. Then while travelling, you suffer from a debilitating disease because there's not enough healthy food on the ship.

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Originally Posted by RushRiviera

It would just be nice not to have the temptation and actually be restricted to a different playstyle. Seems like it might be really easy to add so why not?

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wouldnt you just be tempted to turn the mode off then?

Sure, i'll just board this rocket to the moon; it shouldn't be a problem. :)

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Originally Posted by Neoyoshi

Sure, i'll just board this rocket to the moon; it shouldn't be a problem. :)

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Are you saying that adding a toggle in setting that just disables an ability, would be as complicated as boarding a rocket to the moon? I mean if it's really that complicated then disregard the idea entirely, I wouldn't want this prioritized over anything else. I just thought it might be really simple and easy to implement since it's literally just, disabling an existing ability, and adding a new entry on the settings page. Not sure how that equates to boarding a rocket to the moon, but if it's that difficult of course don't even bother with it. Was just a suggestion/idea, nothing more

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Originally Posted by Lihtleita

wouldnt you just be tempted to turn the mode off then?

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Yeah, but at least that way it doesn't interfere with the game in any way for those who don't want it. It's literally just a tiny quality of life type of thing, nothing to think too deep into. I wouldn't want significant effort or anything put into it, I just thought it might possibly be really easy to implement, without affecting anybody's experience who doesn't want it. It's just idea, I'm not asking them to delay the game for it or cut other content or anything, if it's not as easy as just adding a line of text in the settings and simply adding a few lines of code to disable the ability then it's not even worth it. Just thought it might be super simple

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Originally Posted by Poporito_Popoto

To be truly immersive, rather than the 20 minutes that EQ had, or the time FFXI had, it should take you months to get where you are going. Then while travelling, you suffer from a debilitating disease because there's not enough healthy food on the ship.

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True! nothing is more immersive than a boat like in old fashion way of 1500!! (please no...dont remove teleport)

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Originally Posted by Fellgon

True! nothing is more immersive than a boat like in old fashion way of 1500!! (please no...dont remove teleport)

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Lol I wasn't asking to remove teleport, just an immersive mode that pushes you to walk around and explore a bit more by only teleporting between aetherytes. Just a switch in settings to turn it on. Not permanent, totally optional, can be completely ignored or switched back off at any time (for those saying it's pointless if you can just switch it back off then add an NPC that you need to talk to switch it off, or if that's still too easy add a gil fee or whatever you prefer I don't really care).

I know it's not much different than just not using, but having teleport actually disabled, or harder to access ("Remember: Optionally") creates an added sense of authenticity, urgency, and depth to the world. Not a big deal at all, just a nice feature

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Yeah I guess it would be for the next MMO, however, developing them has become expensive to the point where I don't think we'll see something like that again. And XI was awesome, but to be frank, 30 to an hour was an insane amount of time. So it doesnt need to be that extreme, in XIV I perceive an overcorrection of this though. Where if you simply flew or even traveled by land you can get anywhere within 10 minutes, and thats very tolerable even for time sensitive people IMO. What I dislike is the teleporting being everywhere and super cheap, I mean, you can even port to a city, so you can port next to the most important buildings because you don't want to walk 10 seconds. They have teleports for the teleport hubs.

And so dont use it, but the thing is if I could just talk to an NPC to get raid gear for free on the spot I would just do that instead of doing the fights, and I don't think the game would be better for it. If you could lie to the NPCs about having completed the dungeons and move on with the MSQ all the instances would be dead for the most part, people would just do that, but it wouldn't be a better game for it and it'd be pretty dead if you ask me.

But yeah its too late for any of this. Best case scenario I would just +1 a slow travel server (personally I think this would be on the easier sides of implementation, just disable teleporting in general). No need to change everyones game. I would be curious if it would thrive.

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It's true new mmos are quite an undertaking, but they do come out, they're just slower :p. I imagine SE will make another, just not yet.

Also totally agree on the insanity yet there is some level of desire from here (FFXIV) to there (FFXI) and, imo, more particularly desire for other gameplay elements to marry around that. Like, and I know some people who are really leery of the idea only hear "take more time to get places, it'll be great" and roll their eyes and pound the fist down :p, but I mean it as a whole, from every direction to make navigation, movement, transportation, the act of 'moving' through the environment as a gameplay concept discussed at the design floor. It is very clearly something that some games do put element to, from your parkour games, to Journey-likes, Death Strandings, GTA/Red Deads, etc. Most games put some extra thought into it, just some more than others lol. FFXIV for example has the aether current system to prevent destroying the open world's ability to "communicate" with the player at least initially. but you know you get flying and the very plentiful teleports and everything is like hold w hold space bar... get reward. It's not awful, this is by far from some awful game I dislike to experience- it's just about 5 minutes after unlocking flying I can feel the treadmill come into view. And I know if it was no flying it would be even worse lol! So that's why I say it's more than just "make stuff longer". It's the collision, movement, animation, monster and terrain world design, how mounts function, the pacing of teleports, etc- they all come together to support the idea (like if you had really fun mounts with cool ways they change how you interact with the world but the entire world is a huge desert with nothing from point a to point b then it was all pointless).

On an aside I've always longed for the open world like design but with the FF very detailed 3d environments and animation / abilities. Like that scene in FFIX where the dragoon Freya jumps up the ruined castle walls... what would it be like to do that yourself. FFXIV is not a massively rigid game, but my heart always wishes for a game where they have both the gorgeous potentials an animations right next to the systems that allow them to exist within the players control. For example Freya gets to be your party member but you never get to 'experience' that action she did, it plays out like a movie for you maybe (Chocobos in special locations like FFX, those feather marks).. but you don't get to be that cool yourself. Always wanted to have a FF game that let me "be" that cool without having to constantly ask permission or wait for the magic words lol.

That said I did see their crazy parkour game and am very hype :D. FFXV looks cool too, but I'm hyped for that because the primal power vibe and combat look fun- not sure how they're going to do movement if it'll be the classically rigid type or not (also please make that FFXV concept into a job, thanks ~!).

Also why I say I think a new mmo could do this so much better too though.. I'd love to see a FF mmo capture that grand world journey, that which FFXV was getting hints at with road trips and camping, sprawling living space (open world would be nice here too), but all these things are impractical or potentially negatives to add if not done as units. Huge fan of FF environments, strongly wish to see the interactions and allowance of time expanded on them as not just a set piece but to be seen as another major character in the story (with all the implications that comes with, which an sRPG could definitely do but I do think an MMORPG has an interesting opportunity to go really big). Final aside to the pile of asides made, I think airships (both npc and personally owned like classic sRPG) would make a great part of the equation with the variables of more empowered mounts (example with GW2 movement), and some teleports still (as I DO NOT WANT 30min + travel, AT ALL - I am too old for that! lol). Besides they're classic elements of the series, I think they could avoid less teleports feeling like abuse while still giving the world this constantly appreciable sense of scale.

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Originally Posted by RushRiviera

Lol I wasn't asking to remove teleport, just an immersive mode that pushes you to walk around and explore a bit more by only teleporting between aetherytes. Just a switch in settings to turn it on. Not permanent, totally optional, can be completely ignored or switched back off at any time (for those saying it's pointless if you can just switch it back off then add an NPC that you need to talk to switch it off, or if that's still too easy add a gil fee or whatever you prefer I don't really care).

I know it's not much different than just not using, but having teleport actually disabled, or harder to access ("Remember: Optionally") creates an added sense of authenticity, urgency, and depth to the world. Not a big deal at all, just a nice feature

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yes.

thinking about the year of 1500...you leave the dock with 20 years old, and come back to dock with 30. write a letter to someone, wen it arrives in the address, the writer its already dead. Life's was really short, would be lucky if live long enough to be 30. And a girl of 14 was already grandmother. No vaccines, no sunblock, a salty hair.... a 30 man would be looking like a 60. a cold or diarrhea would be fatal!

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Originally Posted by Ath192

And so dont use it, but the thing is if I could just talk to an NPC to get raid gear for free on the spot I would just do that instead of doing the fights, and I don't think the game would be better for it. If you could lie to the NPCs about having completed the dungeons and move on with the MSQ all the instances would be dead for the most part, people would just do that, but it wouldn't be a better game for it and it'd be pretty dead if you ask me.

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Exactly this. You've summed up my thoughts perfectly with that analogy.

Squeenix: We're raising the cost of teleporting by a few hundred gil.
Players: Boo! His!
This Guy: No, no, no, no, no! Make teleporting cost infinity gil instead! Waaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!

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Originally Posted by Jennah

Squeenix: We're raising the cost of teleporting by a few hundred gil.
Players: Boo! His!
This Guy: No, no, no, no, no! Make teleporting cost infinity gil instead! Waaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!

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Relax, take a deep breath. It was just an idea, nobody is crying, don't take it too seriously.

Seriously, some people sound offended that someone would raise an idea that they don't like. Don't get offended, I'm not suggesting the game isn't good without this. I think the game is great, it was simply just an idea that I decided to share. Again, no need to get offended, I'm not saying teleporting is bad, and I'm not saying I don't like the game. The game is perfect, it was just an idea that's all, don't take it too seriously.

I know it's been mentioned before, but an immersive mode without teleport is possible by just removing the teleport button from your hotbar. This acts 99% the same as a teleport toggle. Don't attune to any Aetherytes outside of the one you need to for your first quest, and you'll be fine, and there won't be any temptations.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

I know it's been mentioned before, but an immersive mode without teleport is possible by just removing the teleport button from your hotbar. This acts 99% the same as a teleport toggle. Don't attune to any Aetherytes outside of the one you need to for your first quest, and you'll be fine, and there won't be any temptations.

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Unfortunately, it appears SE actually expects you to at least attune to aetherytes in each zone, because the game's client uses aetherytes as a kind of fail-safe function in case there is any issue during gameplay where the game crashes and it cannot verify your current location when restoring your character data's current status, it will instead default to sending you automatically to the last visited or nearest aetheryte you've attuned to.

This happened to me a few years ago when I was doing a vanu beastquest in the Sea of Clouds, I went to click on the target I needed for the quest when the screen suddenly glitched, everything went black and a 'server 90000 error' popped up. Logging back in I found the game had loaded me at the aetheryte in Camp Cloudtop instead of the Gauntlet where I had actually been up to the point the game crashed, and my current completion status in that quest had been reset to the start of it, meaning the game had automatically rolled my character data back 5 minutes or so (the last aetheryte I teleported to was Camp Cloudtop). Not having an aetheryte attuned in that area would have probably then defaulted back to sending the player to the very first aetheryte they have to attune to in their starting city, causing further frustration.

So there is a very good reason for attuning to every aetheryte as you find them, they're not just for teleporting to but the game uses them as a kind of fail-safe anchor in case of a crash.

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Originally Posted by RushRiviera

It would just be nice not to have the temptation and actually be restricted to a different playstyle. Seems like it might be really easy to add so why not?

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Everything is nice but seriously if the developers catered to all the little niche requests on this forum they'd get nothing else done. You already have the ability to not use teleport so don't use it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Everything is nice but seriously if the developers catered to all the little niche requests on this forum they'd get nothing else done. You already have the ability to not use teleport so don't use it.

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Why so aggressive? If the developers have too many other niche requests and not enough time they won't even bother with it. They are big boys and girls you know, you don't need to defend them, if they are too busy they won't even consider the idea and you don't have to worry.

You act is if it's rude of me to bring up an idea that doesn't rate high enough on your scale of importance. Sorry if that somehow offends you, it was just an idea though, don't think into it too much and don't let it stress you out.

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Originally Posted by RushRiviera

Why so aggressive? If the developers have too many other niche requests and not enough time they won't even bother with it. They are big boys and girls you know, you don't need to defend them, if they are too busy they won't even consider the idea and you don't have to worry.

You act is if it's rude of me to bring up an idea that doesn't rate high enough on your scale of importance. Sorry if that somehow offends you, it was just an idea though, don't think into it too much and don't let it stress you out.

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I'm not being aggressive just stating my feelings on the issue. I'm not offended and I'm certainly not defending them so please don't infer my feelings on the issue. Sorry if it doesn't meet with your wishes and YOU appear to be OFFENDED by my comments.

You don't want to teleport you don't have to it's pretty simple. I'm not the only one in this thread who has commented in that matter. Did you honestly think everyone would jump on board with this idea?

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Why do you need a special mode for that when you can just not... teleport?

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Well, why should there be any hard battle content either when you can just... not use your high level abilities?

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I'm not being aggressive just stating my feelings on the issue. I'm not offended and I'm certainly not defending them so please don't infer my feelings on the issue. Sorry if it doesn't meet with your wishes and YOU appear to be OFFENDED by my comments..

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Sorry I didn't mean to infer anything, just thought your comment was worded aggressively. My mistake.

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Originally Posted by RushRiviera

Well, why should there be any hard battle content either when you can just... not use your high level abilities?

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Thats a pretty weird comparison.

My point - thats been echoed quite a bit here - is that what you desire its basically already ingame since you can choose not to teleport if you dont want to or only use it with your self set limitations (like you're only allowed to teleport when you're close to an aetheryte). Personally I refrain from using teleports during (storyheavy) questlines. Not clicking the teleport button is a pretty simple thing to do - if you lack the willpower to do that without any artifical limitations I feel kinda sorry for you, since that seems to be a deeper, personal issue...

I really dont see a need for a setting like this, when there is a solution already at hand - not using the teleport system. Going forward you could even refrain from unlocking any further aerthytes you encounter, there is only a limited amount thats mandatory in the first place.

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Originally Posted by RushRiviera

Well, why should there be any hard battle content either when you can just... not use your high level abilities?

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The difference here is that hard battle content is already entirely optional. It's mostly instanced. You already have to opt into it. And can already opt into making it even harder by, yeah, deliberately limiting yourself. Like silencing echo or ilvl syncing.

You also already have the choice to opt out of fast travel in this game. The choice is already there.

There's also the fun (mostly semantic imo) debate between what counts as convenience vs what counts as content but I mean, that's its own ugly can of worms.

I appreciate that you think this is needed, but as has been pointed out, you already have this in game.

what you are really asking for, is to make it so you can more easily resist the temptation. but what if you are unable to resist even with this setting? whats the next request going to be?

If you really want to take away the temptation, remove the teleport and home button from your hotbars. honestly thats probably about as close as you will get to a setting. instead of one click you'll have to look at a map, thats fairly immersive for you right there ^^

you're welcome

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

what you are really asking for, is to make it so you can more easily resist the temptation. but what if you are unable to resist even with this setting? whats the next request going to be?

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XD You're thinking way too far into this. It was just an idea, I didn't say it was needed, or necessary, or important. It was just an idea for a small feature that I thought would be enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by RushRiviera

XD You're thinking way too far into this. It was just an idea, I didn't say it was needed, or necessary, or important. It was just an idea for a small feature that I thought would be enjoyable.

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and you can do it completely yourself without dev time by removing the buttons for immersive teleport by map if you choose ^^

easy fix. just figured you may not have thought of that

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Originally Posted by RushRiviera

XD You're thinking way too far into this. It was just an idea, I didn't say it was needed, or necessary, or important. It was just an idea for a small feature that I thought would be enjoyable.

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To be fair, it's an idea that would cause the devs to take time implementing and balancing it when they could be working on other things for something very few people are likely to use. Furthermore, if something like this would be considered, it would lead to 100s of other request for similar things and it would get out of hand very quickly. It wouldn't be as easy as you think to implement, for sure.

Survival mechanics eh? That'd be pretty cool imho but I doubt it'd be feasible :D

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Originally Posted by Reiryuu

To be fair, it's an idea that would cause the devs to take time implementing and balancing it when they could be working on other things for something very few people are likely to use. Furthermore, if something like this would be considered, it would lead to 100s of other request for similar things and it would get out of hand very quickly. It wouldn't be as easy as you think to implement, for sure.

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You're probably right that it wouldn't be as easy to implement as I think. I have no game development knowledge so what seems easy to me is probably much more complicated in reality.

If the world was truly open world like wow, yes. It could be actually interesting.
But in instanced zones it's boring. Besides, you can do it on your own without having the option

Put all your gil on your retainer.

There, ability to teleport nuked.

It’s funny that clearly most of you have not played FFXI in a long time. Currently there are more teleport points available in FFXI than FFXIV. They got around to improving the lengthy travel time there as well and it’s an almost 20 year old game. Adding punishment mechanics here is more or less not a good use of development time. Even if they made a special server for it I feel it would honestly die out pretty quickly, MMO playerbase got old and our free time is not what it used to be. There is a reason all these quality of life improvements became popular.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

Put all your gil on your retainer.

There, ability to teleport nuked.

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If you put all the gil in my retainer then I promise you there wont be any temptation issues. . . . :3

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Originally Posted by Wobi

It’s funny that clearly most of you have not played FFXI in a long time. Currently there are more teleport points available in FFXI than FFXIV. They got around to improving the lengthy travel time there as well and it’s an almost 20 year old game. Adding punishment mechanics here is more or less not a good use of development time. Even if they made a special server for it I feel it would honestly die out pretty quickly, MMO playerbase got old and our free time is not what it used to be. There is a reason all these quality of life improvements became popular.

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I really should remember to state old FFXI, sometimes I forget that the game has RADICALLY changed (since I obviously don't play it anymore, only memories I have are of it being hardcore lol). Months to go from level 74 to 75, weeee...

I think seeing them, or at least if they're sold (since some people can see anything as another thing), as punishment mechanics already show it's not on the ideal foot. If the world took a bit longer to go through but you had loads of interesting ways to do so, it's actually gameplay- if the world takes longer and nothing else is improved then I suppose it's more of (but not necessarily always) a punishment mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

It’s funny that clearly most of you have not played FFXI in a long time.

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I've never played it, how is that funny?

Is it funny that you haven't played Jojo's Bizarre Adventures in a long time?

Weird.

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Originally Posted by Rowde

Walking everywhere is a different "playstyle" lol...

No, there's no drama without temptation. Practice self-control. Stream your antics. Become a millionaire. Change your life.

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Just out of curiosity, how is that not a different playstyle? By not using a feature, which is usually heavily used, you are playing the game in a different style. It is a different style of playing by forcing you to traverse the land manually, instead of instantly teleporting. Different style of playing = different playstyle.

I didn't realise that could be a hard concept for someone to understand, but you can really call it whatever you want, playstyle was just the term I thought most easily summarised what I was trying to say lol.

@Op: I get you. I know what you're after and it really just boils down to self control rather than an actual developed systems.

I did a similar thing in Skyrim and Horizon Zero Dawn where I refused to use fast travel and the games were much more fun for it, in my opinion.

It works where you're derping around on your own, with no real rush to get anywhere...but again, it just simply doesn't need development resources.

...Rather, maybe you're looking for a social circle who has similar interests (RP maybe?), so you can travel around with like minded friends.