Seeing hate toward "refugees from other MMOs?"

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

Different strokes for different folks. You prefer they say it behind your back, I prefer to know they're scum right then and there.

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For what reason? If they're enough of a scum to break the ToS, then they should be reported. Otherwise, it's largely irrelevant as you'll likely to not encounter them often enough to matter much unless you're both stuck doing the same niche contents, which is where the ignore function should be used if available.

The idea that people could be openly toxic means there is a lack of rule enforcement, which is bigger concern than knowing whether someone is a scum.

In addendum to my earlier statements. I would also say sprouts are largely irrelevant, as most are not likely to ever be of use to you or make it to end game. Best to be indifferent, because 90% aren't going to open their eyes and read anything you say to them.

My sis and I both played WoW before coming to FF14. I could care less about what other games you have or are playing.

As someone wh has played most every mmo on the market, and still does ill say this:

Every game thinks they have the best community.
Every game thinks that every other game is way more toxic.
Every game thinks that all its problems are caused by the converts from other games.
Every game shares about 80% of their player base with everyone else.

If you are being harassed because of your love for something please report them and don't think you are the problem. but realize if you say for instance"Destiny 2 is way better than wow" wile playing wow you will get hate, don't be that guy. and if you are a ffxiv only player judging someone for enjoying other games take a step back and look at it subjectively, how can you call this community the best if its built on that amount of hate.

Have kindness for anyone you play with, we are all here to relax and have fun, and its up to us players to make that happen.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Is this a genuine sentiment among the community? I worry of being ostracized or worse if I even bring up the fact that I used to play WoW while in a duty with people.

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There are people like this in every gaming community. People who believe that you are no "true" fan and are something to fear/deride just because you played a different game.

It's not unique to FFXIV.

Every MMO (and I've played a lot for a long time) have people like this. They just need that mob, us VS them, dynamic to feel good about their choice.

Ignore and enjoy. Plenty of pleasant players to balance them out.

To be honest, I only ever see the WoW hate/comparisons on the forums and on reddit. in-game, it's usually pretty chill.

That being said, welcome to the game. I hope you have lots of fun! :D

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

So I am going to show Naaura how it is done to put someone on ignore. I will go first

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gcbtw :rolleyes:
sad that you didn't even try to argue and went straight to this, totally not toxic, by the way!

Honestly the only sentiment I've seen is how happy people are about the influx.

I may have some mixed feelings for one internet personality in particular that hails from World of Warcraft; but at the end of the day, all revenue that goes towards Squire-Enix is good revenue.

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Originally Posted by MPK

This games player base is a lot more smug than wow's if you haven't noticed already

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The so-called Triple Legends are the worst, avoid them at all cost ;)

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

... and it has me very concerned that in every other alliance or full-party duty I play, there's someone complaining about all the "WoW refugees."

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Funny, the only time I ever have a Conversation about anything is in the MSQ Roulette, where the longer cut-scenes allow for typing in party chat. And those conversations aren't about WoW refugees. Bad puns, the weather, comments about glamours, sure. WoW? Never.

Alliance Raids and 8-person duties are typically spent running from point to point, dealing with mobs and bosses in a timely manner and No. Conversation. Whatsoever.

How you can actually type in chat while the tank is running to the next set of mobs, let alone hold cogent conversations with fellow party members, is beyond me. In the short amount of time you've been playing, you certainly ran into a plethora of chatty party members. Unlike. Everyone. Else. In. Game.

Have fun.

dont judge the people in game, any game, not just FFxiv, by the people in its forums

if someone is judging you by what other games you have played in game, report them. there is no call for that. it will typically be dealt with.

welcome to FFxiv by the way. I have played a lot of different mmo's, WoW included, and have never seen any hate towards me. treat people as you want to be treated and all is generally good.

world of warcraft ''"'"''´´``influencers"´´`"``"' and "''"`"'`"'`content creators''"`'`"'`'"`'"`"`please go and stay go

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Is this a genuine sentiment among the community?

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No, this is not a real thing.

More players is a good thing. Keeps the lights on and I have way more fun with people that make mistakes than someone who's run a dungeon x^3 times anyway.

That being said, I find WoW's add-on system unbelievably bad game design and I hope we'll never get anything like that. That's just an arm's race that never ends.

Other than that I'm happy about the influx of new players. More the merrier.

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

gcbtw :rolleyes:
sad that you didn't even try to argue and went straight to this, totally not toxic, by the way!

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Why would it be toxic to ignore someone? People are not making any sense with calling everything toxic, same thing with referring to gcbtw.

I could care less if you came from a different mmo. I just call anyone that tries to faceroll something and ignore all mechanics then dies and says the fight needs nerfed a WoW scrub.

A lot of old content can be steamrolled yes, but I've seen too many attempts to ignore stuff that results in enough wipes to go through value packs of toilet paper in more current content.

More players is good. But bringing up that you used to play WoW has nothing to do with FFXIV. Its like playing Call of Duty and you bring up that you used to play battlefield. It doesnt matter.

Just come in as a new player. Dont come in openly comparing everything to WoW and bringing it up in chat. It gets very annoying.

Sometimes you know they are a WoW refugee if they use provoke to pull.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Why would it be toxic to ignore someone? People are not making any sense with calling everything toxic, same thing with referring to gcbtw.

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This why I did not respond to him and put him on ignore. Like in all my years of playing MMO's (Rift, Star Wars, WoW, Guild Wars, and here in FFXIV) I have never been called toxic for putting someone on ignore. Like this is a first. but I also have experience spotting trolls from afar. His first was attacking Naaura just for asking about parsing, then when he responded to my post to her and blatantly said I would not even "Argue" about it, then lastly called me toxic cause I put him on ignore. Sorry but he is a troll if ever saw one.

I love a mature conversation. I really do. But I won't argue with trolls. I did enough of that in WoW and on Mmo-champion. It is literally exhausting. I don't think I am breaking any rules by saying all I want is to relax and enjoy FFXIV. Like no toxicness and craziness. I just want to make friends and chill and enjoy this game to it's fullest.

No one called out Titanmen (in the first three pages at least). That's a shocker...

I actually ran into this playing on DRG in The Aery (heavensward). The tank was just CONSTANTLY moving around during boss fights, and driving me crazy since I didn't even come close to my positionals. I asked him "Could you please not strafe and move around so much? When you tank, don't have to move that much" He replied with "Pfftt deal with it weeb."

I dismissed the insult and sheer ignorance. I proceeded to tell the tank, "If you move the boss I can't hit my positionals and my DPS will suffer." The other DPS agreed even though they were a RDM.

He again replied back... "Dude wtf?" "I have been playing MMO's for 10 years and I don't need you telling me what to do!"

I then asked which MMO?

And the tank said "WoW, I think I know how to tank"

I then said well this is FFXIV and the combat is VERY different, I hope you understand you will be kicked from Extremes/Savage/Ultimate tanking like that.

He then said. "O I C you're just telling me this because I a stupid WoW refugee!"

Then I replied "No i'm telling you this because you're driving me crazy by moving the boss all over the place and I can't hit my positionals." Now I have the mentor crown on, but that doesn't mean anything. But the healer was an FC mate and he chimed in too.

The healer said this "Hey man, we get it you know how to play a game, but please listen to (myself). He has been tanking in our FC for years, has every tank to 80 and might know what he's talking about."

I have never felt so humbled in all my days playing XIV.


Now with all that said it should NOT be this hard to get people to cooperate. WoW or not....you won't see FFXIV veterans acting like that. I can't explain it, but FFXIV veterans are just more respectful. I to also played WoW for many years, but I NEVER understood why WoW players think this is acceptable behavior. I'm not saying everyone that plays WoW is a horrible person, but there were some real bad apples when I played. And they acted just like this guy.

He shaped up after everyone in the party got on him. I sort of felt bad afterwards and sent him a tell "Hey man, just trying to make you a better tank, no hard feelings"

He just said "Thanks"

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

Interesting. I am also a WoW Refugee (Thank God) and I have been playing FFXIV over 3 weeks now. I have gotten nothing but kindness and niceness from everyone. Like Everyone. My kindest moment comes from a person who random open traded with me and gave me 5 pets and asked me if I was a new person to FF. I told them yes and they told me "Welcome" and to keep the pets since I was new and told me if I needed help then ask them.

I have had nothing but great experiences from telling people that I was a mythic raider from WoW. And that I wanted to play FF from now. The people here have been so nice to me. So nice in fact that I find it cool and strange all at the same time. I have been so reclused and introverted in WoW that the challenge for me in FF is learning to talk and chill with people who are doing nothing but being nice. I am loving FFXIV. It is a awesome and great community/

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This has been my experience almost note for note!

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

He again replied back... "Dude wtf?" "I have been playing MMO's for 10 years and I don't need you telling me what to do!"

I then asked which MMO?

And the tank said "WoW, I think I know how to tank"

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That kind of play would be terrible there, too. WoW also has positional elements, even if generally more subtle (outside of skills like Backstab) and some very scary cleaves that would need to be aimed out, atop stuff being left on the floors, etc., all of which require the melee to have a good sense of where the tank will be going. That in turn obliges the tank to move smoothly and understandably for best party performance.

There is some kiting at times, but that's only at the range out of reach of enemies. Tank spazzing is arguably even more crippling for melee DPS there than here.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Why would it be toxic to ignore someone? People are not making any sense with calling everything toxic, same thing with referring to gcbtw.

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I do find someone jumping into a discussion without knowing the context and assuming things that aren't there to fit their narrow narrative quite toxic :rolleyes: (them, not you btw)
also, I thought it was quite obvious that me calling them toxic was more or less a joke because of said context, same with gcbtw
on the other hand, I also do agree that it is not toxic to ignore someone, hell, it's the first thing I tell people when someone is bothering or harassing them and it's the only way to deal with the situation without going to a 'higher instance'

plus, you know, saying he isn't going to argue with a 'troll' but basically doing just that in his post when he quoted yours, knowing that he totally won't read my post... :p
I find it funny tbh, seems like he cares a lot about it
maybe we'll run into each other at one point and they see that this 'troll' is everything but that :>

idk if this is related to the current conversation, but I've been annoyed recently with the huge influx of youtube videos that include "wow refugee reacts to this" or "wow refugee tries this" or "wow refugee does that", it's obvious they include that in their titles because they draw a lot of views. And FFXIV players will click on them every time because they constantly want to be validated with their game of preference.

Weird ... every duty I enter into, no one ever says anything.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

idk if this is related to the current conversation, but I've been annoyed recently with the huge influx of youtube videos that include "wow refugee reacts to this" or "wow refugee tries this" or "wow refugee does that", it's obvious they include that in their titles because they draw a lot of views. And FFXIV players will click on them every time because they constantly want to be validated with their game of preference.

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Being a WoW "veteran", or "refugee" is treated like a career. I stopped getting those awhile back when I started clicking "not interested" or "don't recommend channel" on my YouTube recommendations. :)

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Being a WoW "veteran", or "refugee" is treated like a career. I stopped getting those awhile back when I started clicking "not interested" or "don't recommend channel" on my YouTube recommendations. :)

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Yeah, I typically avoid videos with those in the title unless I know the creator and like their content...which is a very short list to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, I typically avoid videos with those in the title unless I know the creator and like their content...which is a very short list to begin with.

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It's just kind of funny to me, because it reminds me of videos like "Musician reacts", or "Paramedic reacts", etc.. which are actual fields of expertise, as opposed to "WoW Veteran/Refugee reacts". :rolleyes:

My YouTube recommended is for animal videos, and ASMR. :o

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Being a WoW "veteran", or "refugee" is treated like a career. I stopped getting those awhile back when I started clicking "not interested" or "don't recommend channel" on my YouTube recommendations. :)

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It's not about being a career, but it is similar in that it's supposed to show you their experience and point of view. If they say "WoW veteran", than supposedly they're used to the various WoW incarnations and may still like WoW but also might be looking to try something new. On the other hand, "WoW refugee," while having an unfortunate connotation, does imply that they do not like the current WoW.

YouTube video titles are supposed to be catchy (as a neutral term rather than "clickbaity" which I feel people tend to misuse to label videos they don't like), and short, descriptive terms usually work better.

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Originally Posted by linayar

It's not about being a career, but it is similar in that it's supposed to show you their experience and point of view. If they say "WoW veteran", than supposedly they're used to the various WoW incarnations and may still like WoW but also might be looking to try something new. On the other hand, "WoW refugee," while having an unfortunate connotation, does imply that they do not like the current WoW.

YouTube video titles are supposed to be catchy (as a neutral term rather than "clickbaity" which I feel people tend to misuse to label videos they don't like), and short, descriptive terms usually work better.

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I understand why they do it, I just think it's funny how it's portrayed. Not that I care to see dozens of these "experts" watch the EW trailer. Then again, I also don't watch any actual FFXIV creators either. :o

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

• There have been WoW refugees since the game relaunched in 2013. You could say it started with WoW and FFXI refugees.
• A majority of people with the crown icon (veteran players) used to play WoW years ago, or still do occasionally.
• WoW refugees have been falling into this game for a really long time. Many people you meet played it at some point.
• Don't misunderstand! The game attracts people brand new to MMOs, friends of people who play, people who like the FF series generally, people from other MMOs, it even seemed to get a lot of people from Overwatch. There is just a massive crossover of people who have played both FFXIV and WoW.

In an alliance raid, it's not worth taking what people say seriously unless it's targeted at you specifically. If they specifically mention your name, you should report them for being rude to you.

If they are just saying meaningless things and not attacking a specific person, it's not worth taking it seriously. They aren't really that mad. Wiping and dying in alliance raids is normal. It's normal for half the alliance to wipe and get resurrected 5 times and that's even fully expected in the design. If the entire alliance wipes sometimes, that's just how it is.

If someone is salty about a wipe like that, they usually aren't taken seriously and probably aren't as mad as they come across. If you still find it offensive or they target you specifically, offending people is against the rules and they do act on it if you report it.

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Yeah, I haven't played WoW since 2016. Before then, I played all sorts of MMOs from 1999-2016. Since Overwatch launched, that was where I'd been (except for a little nostalgia with City of Heroes: Homecoming) until about two weeks ago when I jumped into FF14. Just got sick of Overwatch and PvP games in general, finally. They were never my thing before OW, anyway.

It's been awesome seeing places like Ul'dah, which used to be a ghost town on my server, be absolutely flooded with new players! New players that came from wow come into the linkshell I'm in and we have nothing but positive experiences!


They're coming to a new game they think might be the right one, and we should welcome them with open arms!

Take everything with a grain of salt, OP.
Most people don't care who joins, as long as you aren't overly toxic. A stereotype doesn't represent the individual.

Imo, having new people join is way better than not having people at all, more people means more lively cities in the end. Everyone has their own goal and endgame for FFXIV that doesn't always end up being raiding. Some people just play for fun and some to hang out with others. Some even have Triple Triad as their endgame and that's fine too.

Truthfully? It’s more of a few bad apples spoiling the barrel.

Most people just don’t really care where you came from and are happy to have you along. There’s a huge chance you might even find a FC full of refugees that you can share “war stories” with from WoW. If you do meet someone who’s a jerk, they’re most likely just trying to get a rise out of you.

Wait, is this not another thread by Titanmen? I tought i had learned to recognize 'em Just by the title.. maybe i Need to go back to studying

IMPORTANT NOTE: FFXIV Forums, Community on steam and subreddits can be really toxic but our community in-game is not. You may find some idiots here and there but they are not everywhere. As a single player, my preference is to avoid any contact at all cost.

I don't really see a lot of hate towards "wow" refugees. There is bound to be a huge amount of crossover, since most mmo players have tried WoW at some point. While I welcome all players to come and enjoy the game I am a little apprehensive about people bringing a toxic mentality common in competitive end game content for MMOs. Despite being around for so long, for the most part the in-game community in FFXIV is not jaded. You can say hi in groups and people say hi back, new people can make mistakes without being mistreated, etc...

If there is animosity, I think that's one area it come from.

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Originally Posted by Elissar

IMPORTANT NOTE: FFXIV Forums, Community on steam and subreddits can be really toxic but our community in-game is not. You may find some idiots here and there but they are not everywhere. As a single player, my preference is to avoid any contact at all cost.

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I totally agree. Forums and social media are full of toxic's who want to imply the game is the same way. It's not at least not the one I'm playing.

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Originally Posted by Garten

Wait, is this not another thread by Titanmen? I tought i had learned to recognize 'em Just by the title.. maybe i Need to go back to studying

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Certainly appears to be another one of his alts. Some just love to stir the pot.

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Originally Posted by Rhus

The so-called Triple Legends are the worst, avoid them at all cost ;)

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I tried looking that up via Google, and i couldn't really find what that refers to; at first i thought it was the in-game titles, but I'm not sure now. xD