[Critical] Male Viera height slider; tall option. Show your support.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

They've likely already landed on a height for the race, and trying to composite images had heights varrying pretty dramatically.... so it's more likely we just have to see where they landed. I also hope they're on the taller side, but no amount of petitioning is going to get them to redo all the work already done to make them taller if they are closer to the hyur/miquote height.

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Thing is, there's a scale, it could be adjusted if they really wanted to in like 5 minutes tops.
Personally I'm fine as long as some of them get the option to be taller than some fem viera.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

Thing is, there's a scale, it could be adjusted if they really wanted to in like 5 minutes tops.
Personally I'm fine as long as some of them get the option to be taller than some fem viera.

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They can only adjust so much, though. The thing with the height slider is it doesn't just change how tall you are, but actually shrinks and expands your entire character model (so thickness, hand sizes, etc) and that can only go so far before they have to remodel all the clothing and everything to fit the new larger or smaller size. I doubt that the viera men are going to be the exception to the creator on every other race and sex to get dramatically varying height options just because of the amount of work it would take on the dev side to support that. They likely will have a similar range of heights as other available options.

I'm closer to your perception, though, in that I would like to see the size options for male and female be identical. The females are a nice height generally speaking, and if they want to do a nice nod to the lore that at least a certain ages, it's difficult to distinguish the sexes, making them grow to the same height would just be another nice nod to how similar they are.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

They can only adjust so much, though. The thing with the height slider is it doesn't just change how tall you are, but actually shrinks and expands your entire character model (so thickness, hand sizes, etc) and that can only go so far before they have to remodel all the clothing and everything to fit the new larger or smaller size. I doubt that the viera men are going to be the exception to the creator on every other race and sex to get dramatically varying height options just because of the amount of work it would take on the dev side to support that. They likely will have a similar range of heights as other available options.

I'm closer to your perception, though, in that I would like to see the size options for male and female be identical. The females are a nice height generally speaking, and if they want to do a nice nod to the lore that at least a certain ages, it's difficult to distinguish the sexes, making them grow to the same height would just be another nice nod to how similar they are.

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Well granted going too extreme would look weird, but most races have an around average 15cm diff between min and max already, so say 20 wouldn't be pushing it even as much as femroe.

signed, as someone who REALLY wishes the au ra females were as tall as the males, I know how frustrating it would be to some

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Originally Posted by Penthea

The below image is of my boyfriend and I. He is a max height miqo and I'm a min height viera. As you can see the height difference between us is quite small.

I think it's safe to say that some male viera will be able to be taller than at least some female viera because I don't imagine SE would give male viera a height range that matches male miqos because frankly they would just end up looking like a different type of miqo instead of something more distinct.

I don't know if male viera would be able to be as tall as a max height female but I figured I would show this image to give an idea as to what might happen with their height range.

Personally I would like if the males cannot be as tall as max height females. I know that among mammals in our animal kingdom it is rare for the females to be larger...but it does happen, and there's no reason why viera can't be an outlier in FFXIV's world. It would also make sense given viera have a matriarchal society. But if it turns out the males can be taller I won't lose sleep over it. I'm just so glad they're even coming to the game.

https://i.imgur.com/tYO3bE4.png

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This picture shows what I've been meaning.

Just like the females, the male Viera will be tall, but not extremely tall.

Here's another picture that shows a minimum height female Viera standing next to a maximum height Miqo'te and Au Ra. As you can see, the difference isn't drastic.

https://i.imgur.com/cE6U6Cu.png

I'm expecting the same to be true for male Viera. The difference between a minimum height male Viera and a maximum height Midlander or Miqo'te won't be as dramatic as some may think.

People who want male Viera to be short don't really need to ask for it.

I don't think many people realize that, even if male Viera turn out to be taller than the females (like most of the races), they can still be pretty short if you set them to minimum height.

The way I'm predicting it, male Viera height will be between male Highlander and male Elezen (just like how female Viera are between female Highlander and female Elezen).

https://i.imgur.com/hiL9Ygi.png

This would land them in the middle, making them average height for males. Meaning if you made one minimum height, he'd end up being pretty short. A minimum height male Viera would be guaranteed to be shorter than any Roegadyn (male or female), any male Au Ra, any male Hrothgar, any male Elezen, and shorter than most male Highlanders and female Elezen (and most likely female Hrothgar too). You'll probably match height with tall female Highlanders and be a bit shorter than tall female Viera.

The thing is, they won't feel as short because a huge chunk of the playerbase (about half actually) plays either female Miqo'te, female Au Ra, male Miqo'te, or male Midlander (4 of the shortest races after Lalafell).

That's why a lot of people think that even a minimum height female Viera is very tall, but that's not the case.

If you run a roulette and you end up in a party with mostly catgirls, lizard girls, and catboys, you're often going to be one of the tallest, if not the tallest character in the group. And it's not because your character is so tall, but moreso because the most commonly played characters are short. It doesn't help that the tallest races (Hrothgar, Roegadyn, Elezen, etc) are a much rarer sight.

Overall, male Viera will provide a nice balance for male character options. He'll be capable of being pretty tall and short, but not-too-short.

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Originally Posted by Hunky

Overall, male Viera will provide a nice balance for male character options. He'll be capable of being pretty tall and short, but not-too-short.

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If you think about the max-minx height we have with the current races you make a good point.
But some (if not many) players go for miqo or highlander for the height range. If you don't want your character to get past 180cm (witch is to me a good middle ground) you don't have mutch choice (2 races if you don't want to smell the dirt). Male miqo at max height are already not that common (on chaos tho). Making male viera shorter than highlanders (so basicaly almost the same as female viera) will make ppl who play shorter race switch easier and maybe keep it. At the same time, players who like it tall won't feel that small thanks to all the miqo, female aura etc...
Female viera already feel fairly tall if you take max height tbh (191cm so taller than min male highlander), and you can see bunnys ears easly as well.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

If you think about the max-minx height we have with the current races you make a good point.
But some (if not many) players go for miqo or highlander for the height range. If you don't want your character to get past 180cm (witch is to me a good middle ground) you don't have mutch choice (2 races if you don't want to smell the dirt). Male miqo at max height are already not that common (on chaos tho). Making male viera shorter than highlanders (so basicaly almost the same as female viera) will make ppl who play shorter race switch easier and maybe keep it. At the same time, players who like it tall won't feel that small thanks to all the miqo, female aura etc...
Female viera already feel fairly tall if you take max height tbh (191cm so taller than min male highlander), and you can see bunnys ears easly as well.

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Yes, but as much as you argue that people who want short males don't have much of a choice (Lalafel, Hyur, Miqo'te), those of us who want a tall choice don't have much of a choice either (Orch shaped Roegadyn, hourglass lizard with horns and tails, an animal race called Hrothgar, and giraffe with small head Elezen). Elezen is like the only tall human those of us who want a tall human option have.

At least you have Hyur and Miqo'te for a serious fairly human looking option, Highlander as a bonus (you could say that's 3).

That's why I suggest to the devs to make Male Viera the middle ground with a femroe-like height slider, it would finally provide that tall option that isn't cartoony and gives short players another option.

I mean really this is what tall players have to deal this
https://i.imgur.com/mYnHIqz.png

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Yes, but as much as you argue that people who want short males don't have much of a choice (Lalafel, Hyur, Miqo'te), those of us who want a tall choice don't have much of a choice either (Orch shaped Roegadyn, hourglass lizard with horns and tails, an animal race called Hrothgar, and giraffe with small head Elezen). Elezen is like the only tall human those of us who want a tall human option have.

At least you have Hyur and Miqo'te for a serious fairly human looking option, Highlander as a bonus (you could say that's 3).

That's why I suggest to the devs to make Male Viera the middle ground with a femroe-like height slider, it would finally provide that tall option that isn't cartoony and gives short players another option.

I mean really this is what tall players have to deal this
https://i.imgur.com/mYnHIqz.png

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Wait.... you classify Lalafell as normal!?!?

Sorry, but I want dem Shorteez

https://i.imgur.com/N4bdF26.gif

I think people don't realize just how tall hyur are, like, max height fem au ra is a pretty average human lady height. Also what is this obsession with needing to be taller than fem viera that I keep seeing? I demand my height slider cap increased if they are.

I don’t necessarily want them taller then female Viera, would just like their heights to be similar. A mix of taller females and males and the same with shorter.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I think people don't realize just how tall hyur are, like, max height fem au ra is a pretty average human lady height. Also what is this obsession with needing to be taller than fem viera that I keep seeing? I demand my height slider cap increased if they are.

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Just having the option to be taller if they're on the shorter side isn't wrong though? Ideally they wouldn't be taller than max height viera tbh.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

Just having the option to be taller if they're on the shorter side isn't wrong though? Ideally they wouldn't be taller than max height viera tbh.

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But why is that ideal?

edit: slider isn't the issue, but I'm curious as to why being taller than female viera is the specific here.:rolleyes:

What do people gain by preventing males to be taller? All males in XIV are taller than females, as they imitate real life. When creating male Viera it shouldn't follow the Au ra design philosophy. The real topic of discussion is a wide range slider that allows for males to be short like Hyur but also as tall as Elezen or tall in general. Tall male options are very limited. Limited to orc, animal, reptile with horns, and 1 semi normal giraffe. There's no real normal option for us, male Viera would finally be the option for an attractive tall option just like female Viera was an attractive tall female option.

I know there's a lot of RP'rs around or people who want to fetishize being taller than the males but the game isn't played solely by RPrs. A lot of us just want the option to make characters that look like ourselves; on the tall side it's very hard to do that.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

But why is that ideal?

edit: slider isn't the issue, but I'm curious as to why being taller than female viera is the specific here.:rolleyes:

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Because people who want them shorter get to be shorter.... and people who want them taller can also get them to be taller?

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

I know there's a lot of RP'rs around or people who want to fetishize being taller than the males but the game isn't played solely by RPrs. A lot of us just want the option to make characters that look like ourselves; on the tall side it's very hard to do that.

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I'm literally just poking fun at the people who said viera were unattractive and gross for being so tall. I think it's funny that people wanted them to be shorter, thus more "feminine", but now it's Males Need To Be Tall. It's an interesting standard, no?

1: requesting this is fine but .. calling it "Critical" seems a bit much.

2: Is very likely way to late.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I think people don't realize just how tall hyur are, like, max height fem au ra is a pretty average human lady height. Also what is this obsession with needing to be taller than fem viera that I keep seeing? I demand my height slider cap increased if they are.

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In-game height doesn't equal real-life height. Yes, male Midlanders can reach up to 5'11" and female Au Ra can reach up to 5'2". In real-life, these would be common heights for people.

However, when you factor in that other races exist (Roegadyn, Elezen, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, etc) that reach well over 6'3", it makes male Midlanders seem short by comparison. While male Midlanders make up a good portion of the population, they're on the shorter side when it comes to the racial height chart.

If male Viera end up taller than the females (like most races in this game), they're still going to be average in comparison to the other races. Elezen, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, and Roegadyn would all be taller than male Viera. So just because male Viera may be taller than Midlanders and Miqo'te doesn't mean they're hulking tall men.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I'm literally just poking fun at the people who said viera were unattractive and gross for being so tall. I think it's funny that people wanted them to be shorter, thus more "feminine", but now it's Males Need To Be Tall. It's an interesting standard, no?

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I don't get why anyone would say they're gross for being tall, Imo Viera is a lot more mature choice than miqote or even au ra which are more of a anime schoolgirl aesthetic even going down to the emotes, so I dunno. I think since they're the same race however they should be more of a pair, I don't really care about their height compared to other races, and if they're around same-ish height then most people get to be happy.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Yes, but as much as you argue that people who want short males don't have much of a choice (Lalafel, Hyur, Miqo'te), those of us who want a tall choice don't have much of a choice either (Orch shaped Roegadyn, hourglass lizard with horns and tails, an animal race called Hrothgar, and giraffe with small head Elezen). Elezen is like the only tall human those of us who want a tall human option have.

At least you have Hyur and Miqo'te for a serious fairly human looking option, Highlander as a bonus (you could say that's 3).

That's why I suggest to the devs to make Male Viera the middle ground with a femroe-like height slider, it would finally provide that tall option that isn't cartoony and gives short players another option.

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True if you don't like thoose 4 you won't have a choice but i could say if you don't want a normal human (hyur), you are stuck to miqo.
I'm not saying your proposition wont work at all, it all depends on what is the mid size. If it's 190, max would be 205cm and min 175cm. It's okay for ppl who want small boys (if we forget about ppl who want aura size) but maybe not for ppl who want it very tall. If the mid is 200cm, max is 215cm (good size for tall players), min 185cm : already a turnoff for ppl who want it small.

And i'm not saying you should agree it's just another pov. In the end there's always be someone who won't like what we get but it's okay.

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

I don't get why anyone would say they're gross for being tall, Imo Viera is a lot more mature choice than miqote or even au ra which are more of a anime schoolgirl aesthetic even going down to the emotes, so I dunno. I think since they're the same race however they should be more of a pair, I don't really care about their height compared to other races, and if they're around same-ish height then most people get to be happy.

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It was a wild time, but thankfully most of those people have shut up at this point.

On topic: I agree with the previous poster that they are probably going to line up with the fem Viera sliders, and what is there in the reveal is set in stone. If they are taller it will be so tiny (like in the case of elezen) that it will barely register.

So after height, what is next on the SHOW YOUR SUPPORT thread? Chiseled Slider, Dong slider. You kinda seem like the poeple who get everything you point at from your mom and pop after making them get Tinnitus from your complaining.

There is some things I would also like other races looked like, but I accept I cannot get everything and make the best of what I am given. I was so fond of my F miqote moonkeeper I made in 1.0, that I simply could not replicate in ARR as they removed skincolor I used, and specially the voice I was very fond of. So, I just spent hours and even tweaking her until I decided to racechange and start a fresh new start as my ARR Altera was not and would never again be my 1.0. SHould I make a Show your Support thread to have them reintroduce 1.0 voices and skincolors etc? I have been all races, but settled in the end with Viera as they had most of the things I felt good with ;)

You are getting Male Vieras, and if some things about them isnt to your personal liking, tough luck.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I think people don't realize just how tall hyur are, like, max height fem au ra is a pretty average human lady height. Also what is this obsession with needing to be taller than fem viera that I keep seeing? I demand my height slider cap increased if they are.

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This is where I am on this whole thing. Kinda weirded out at the fervent NEED for some people to make it impossible for a woman to be taller than a man, even a fantasy race that could follow different rules (and are based off an animal that in fact follow the inverse height ratio, and whose design is based off of at least a stereotype of tall warrior women.)

Either way, all reasons i've seen people use to argue that male viera shouldn't be shorter than the females all end up in the same boring, homogeneous design that the game already satisfies in abundance, just maybe not to a single person's specific idea of "perfect".
So my vote is: Give them a varied height slider, sure, but, if you're gonna do that then expand female viera's to compensate as well and let their max be taller than the male's max.
Shorter males would give the race one more rabbit-like feature since we couldn't have permanent bunny-feet.
Shorter males would make them more successful at navigating and hiding in the forest.
And shorter males would make sense since they are thrown into the wilderness to do hard physical labor and away from a reliable food supply RIGHT at the peak of their physical development, which would cause stunted growth.
Oh and shorter males are cool, and not a trope currently represented in XIV, and if you don't want to play a race that cannot be taller than its own females, then you have literally every other race to play (Besides lalafell as I think they're on par) and if those aren't to your liking, suggest updates and options for them. :)

Though, I would prefer to see a bigger difference, on par with the other races (except for au ra), so that the tallest female was similarly taller than the tallest male, as, say, the tallest male miqo'te is to the tallest female miqo'te, the best compromise would be this.
https://i.imgur.com/CSnm57F.png

Where yes, the tallest male cannot be taller than the tallest female, because, like i've said, it's objectively rad. :cool:
BUT, in practice, most players will slam that height slider on their bunnygirl way down, so those who cannot bear to have a woman taller than them will be taller than most of their population if they crank their slider way up. (and will just have to deal with it or fantasia to another race / talk to a therapist if they can't deal)

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Originally Posted by HollowedDoll

Some people also have the fervent need to prevent ANY male from being taller than ANY female so there's both sides to this.
personally I don't see an issue with that height scale.

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I haven't seen a single soul push for every other existing race to invert their height ratios, just suggestions for a new dynamic to this new race option, so... huh??

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Originally Posted by Roda

This is where I am on this whole thing. Kinda weirded out at the fervent NEED for some people to make it impossible for a woman to be taller than a man

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Some people also have the fervent need to prevent ANY male from being taller than ANY female so there's both sides to this.
personally I don't see an issue with that height scale.

EDIT: Have a look at twitter where they call for them to be 1/4th of female viera or half height at max or calling anyone a coward who wants them to be taller at all, but go off.

Except that we're comparing the male heights, not the female heights.
I want to play a tall male (female Viera is short by male character standards):
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d6b4681c...m5go1_1280.png

The fact that people want to use female height standards for how tall male Viera should be is sad to say the least. Those of us who will actually play male Viera and who don't have a good tall male option don't want female Viera height; because females are short when compared to males.

When giving male options I'm thinking of male heights, not about the females.
The tallest female Viera is shorter than the male Highlander, that's not tall on the male side of things.

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Originally Posted by Roda

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I'm ok with them being same height and that's probably how they are, if not a bit taller.

If I'm agreeing with this thread is actually because I want ppl who want shorter characters a chance to have them...

But here you're stating your opinion as fact and calling every person who disagrees with it either misogynistic or mentally ill, you should read your post in deep before doing such claims.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Except that we're comparing the male heights, not the female heights.
I want to play a tall male (female Viera is short by male character standards):
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d6b4681c...m5go1_1280.png

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Then don't play a race whose current representative "isn't tall" enough for you.
I genuinely think you'd be much happier suggesting improved options for the races you currently like, as I believe from your previous posts, you wouldn't like playing a male viera anyway what with how soft the released designs are.

(Also lol at being over 6' not being "tall")
https://i.imgur.com/Sw3W0Db.png

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Originally Posted by Altera

So after height, what is next on the SHOW YOUR SUPPORT thread? Chiseled Slider, Dong slider.

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You underestimate these forums: We already had the dong slider thread.

I mean barring like au ra every other race has the option for taller female than male...

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Originally Posted by Renik

I'm ok with them being same height and that's probably how they are, if not a bit taller.

If I'm agreeing with this thread is actually because I want ppl who want shorter characters a chance to have so...

But here you're stating your opinion as fact and calling every person who disagrees with it either misogynistic or mentally ill, you should read your post in deep before doing such claims.

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And not reading the first part????

"Like at best, the request is a misplaced request for improvements to be made to existing races,"
Like,this is what I'm assuming first my dude. D; And it's only in reference to people completely refusing the notion that the males' max slider wouldn't be as tall as the females' at that. Nothing to do with wanting more customization options. Just people who specifically do not want that one specific scenario to happen.

I'm not pretending those motivations don't exist because, well i've been around the internet, and people, for too long to not know those are possibilities. But please understand that if my description doesn't apply to you, then it does not refer to you.
Like I ain't calling anyone out here, I just want people to know that like, that stuff can be worked through. :T I can edit the post if someone feels called out but like, that's super not the intent there.

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Originally Posted by Roda

Then don't play a race whose current representative "isn't tall" enough for you.
I genuinely think you'd be much happier suggesting improved options for the races you currently like, as I believe from your previous posts, you wouldn't like playing a male viera anyway what with how soft the released designs are.

(Also lol at being over 6' not being "tall")
https://i.imgur.com/Sw3W0Db.png

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1. I never claimed that male Viera are soft
2. I stated that there are many of us who actually play male races who would play male Viera. I am tall so I am advocating for a male race that looks normal and not like an animal (Hrothgar), an orc (Roegadyn), or a lizard with hourglass shape (Au ra). This game gives male players really bad options, specially if you want to be tall. A femroe height slider would satisfy both the small and the tall side of things.
3. 6' is not tall in FF male height. Somewhere between male Elezen and male Highlander is where the average is which is closer to 6'3-6'5 (77 inches).

There are already plenty of races where the male is taller than the female. This is all just fantasy, so it's perfectly fine to have races where the females are the taller ones. Which is exactly why they should do it, because that's exactly what makes fantasy interesting. When you get the opportunity to vary and go beyond real life, why wouldn't you? It's boring to just do the same thing over and over.

I support short boys!

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Originally Posted by MarsAstro

There are already plenty of races where the male is taller than the female. This is all just fantasy, so it's perfectly fine to have races where the females are the taller ones. Which is exactly why they should do it, because that's exactly what makes fantasy interesting. When you get the opportunity to vary and go beyond real life, why wouldn't you? It's boring to just do the same thing over and over.

I support short boys!

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as do we..... ur missing the point of the thread

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Originally Posted by Roda

Like at best, the request is a misplaced request for improvements to be made to existing races, at worst you're forcing people to enable unhealthy coping for your own body dysphoria, which, uh, if this is you please talk to someone about this? OR (BIG OR, not saying mental health issues means you're inherently a bad person) or it's an attempt at some seriously outdated and toxic "REAL MAN" conformity, which, ew.

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Oh and shorter males are cool, and not a trope currently represented in XIV, and if you don't want to play a race that cannot be taller than its own females, then you have literally every other race to play (Besides lalafell as I think they're on par) and if those aren't to your liking, suggest updates and options for them. :)

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Where yes, the tallest male cannot be taller than the tallest female, because, like i've said, it's objectively rad. :cool:
BUT, in practice, most players will slam that height slider on their bunnygirl way down, so those who cannot bear to have a woman taller than them will be taller than most of their population if they crank their slider way up. (and will just have to deal with it or fantasia to another race / talk to a therapist if they can't deal)
(But like no really, if having ONE RACE in a videogame where the males cannot be taller than the tallest female makes you even the slightest bit uncomfortable, please talk to someone. Suggestion posts on game forums is not how you work out these issues.)

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First of all, males not being able to be taller than females is not objectively rad. That's totally your opinion.

Secondly, despite this being a fantasy game with fantasy races, most of the races do follow with the real-life human dimorphism that males in general are taller than females. If you go to a country where the average male height is 5'6", the average female height ends up being around 5"2", like Thailand. If you go to a country where the average male height is 5'11", the average female height ends up being 5'7", like the Netherlands. It's just the way it works, and it seems like the game definitely emulates this physiological reality with its own fantasy races. So it is safe to assume that male Viera would end up being taller than the females.

Of course, there are exceptions. You yourself can make this exception by playing as a minimum height male Viera. You'll be shorter than max height female Viera. You'll be shorter than a lot of character types actually.

But you can't get mad and say, "I'm a minimum height male Viera. Why am I still taller than these max height Midlanders and Miqo'te?" Because you're playing Viera.

One of Viera's defining traits is their height, just like Elezen and Roegadyn. Granted, male Viera have never been revealed until now. But, it is logical to assume that give how races have been designed in this game, as well as the racial lore of the Viera, that the males would end up being taller, or at the very least, just as tall as the females.

Asking for Viera to be shorter is like asking for Elezen or Roegadyn to be shorter. Tallness is a part of what makes them distinct and unique. You can play as a short Elezen, but you're still an Elezen and it's only natural that you'll end up being taller than Midlanders and Miqo'te.

When female Viera were finally released, a lot of threads popped up requesting that they be made shorter. One infamous user even posted something along the lines of "tallness isn't feminine".

People wanted to take something that made Viera "Viera" and twist it so they can play the archetype they prefer. This is why female Miqo'te and female Au Ra reign supreme in terms of popularity. People wanted Miqo'te with bunny ears. But Miqo'te with bunny ears is not Viera. And I would say that this applies to males too.

And by the way, accusing people of being this and that and needing therapy and all that was completely unnecessary. There are other ways to make your point.

I prefer the male viera to be of same height or taller than the viera. I don't plan playing it if it is smaller than the female. I do support the option to choose whichever height the player wants it to be (short, normal, tall).

I don't see why we can't have the best of both worlds.

Would be pretty hype for females to be taller always, unless they are min height vs max height male. Males generally are always the taller ones. Would be nice to swap it around for a change and have them canonically the smaller ones. Overall, idc much either way. It's height.. how some of you get that up tight about it idk. I was a Viera for about a year and had to swap back due to lack of variety, namely every new and old hairstyle I cannot use.. and I did very much miss some of my hats. Hoping for more hair and for older races to get more faces etc. Some of them look so so bad.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

What do people gain by preventing males to be taller? All males in XIV are taller than females, as they imitate real life. When creating male Viera it shouldn't follow the Au ra design philosophy. The real topic of discussion is a wide range slider that allows for males to be short like Hyur but also as tall as Elezen or tall in general. Tall male options are very limited. Limited to orc, animal, reptile with horns, and 1 semi normal giraffe. There's no real normal option for us, male Viera would finally be the option for an attractive tall option just like female Viera was an attractive tall female option.

I know there's a lot of RP'rs around or people who want to fetishize being taller than the males but the game isn't played solely by RPrs. A lot of us just want the option to make characters that look like ourselves; on the tall side it's very hard to do that.

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Woah woah hold the phone. Are you serious saying men IRL ALWAYS ARE TALLER THEN FEMALES? Uhhhh I can find you many examples to prove you wrong. Is that the reason you want tall bun bun?

I’m really trying to understand in a fantasy game your reasoning why this is critical. As a 5’10” woman myself, I have zero issues playing small or tall races. Heck I’m playing a male highlander right now that looks a mix between Emperor Varis and George Washington ffs. I’ll be doing a male bun bun no matter the height. And my 6’2” sister is a male hrothgar with a fade.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Except that we're comparing the male heights, not the female heights.
I want to play a tall male (female Viera is short by male character standards):
https://64.media.tumblr.com/d6b4681c...m5go1_1280.png

The fact that people want to use female height standards for how tall male Viera should be is sad to say the least. Those of us who will actually play male Viera and who don't have a good tall male option don't want female Viera height; because females are short when compared to males.

When giving male options I'm thinking of male heights, not about the females.
The tallest female Viera is shorter than the male Highlander, that's not tall on the male side of things.

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Exactly this. Even if male Viera turn out to be taller than the females, the males would still be outsized by a good number of other male character types. A minimum height male Viera would end up being shorter than a lot of character types.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

1. I never claimed that male Viera are soft
2. I stated that there are many of us who actually play male races who would play male Viera. I am tall so I am advocating for a male race that looks normal and not like an animal (Hrothgar), an orc (Roegadyn), or a lizard with hourglass shape (Au ra). This game gives male players really bad options, specially if you want to be tall. A femroe height slider would satisfy both the small and the tall side of things.
3. 6' is not tall in FF male height. Somewhere between male Elezen and male Highlander is where the average is which is closer to 6'3-6'5 (77 inches).

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Thank you. Yes, six foot tall is not tall in this game. Please don't forget that Roegadyn, male Au Ra, Hrothgar, and Elezen exist.

And on a personal note, I agree with you. I too want to play a tall race that isn't an "oogly-boogly gorilla" type (btw that was hilarious, thank you for that). Not a fan of races with animal faces, Hrothgar is a no. Roegadyn are also a no because I personally don't like their proportions. The only other race I kinda consistently swap out with is Au Ra. Even then, I don't stay Au Ra for long because their horns and scales are too much for me. Too bad, because I love their broad shoulders and slim waists.

From what I can tell in the video, male Viera are going to be a happy balance between Au Ra and Elezen. And that's something I definitely look forward to.

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

Woah woah hold the phone. Are you serious saying men IRL ALWAYS ARE TALLER THEN FEMALES? Uhhhh I can find you many examples to prove you wrong. Is that the reason you want tall bun bun?

I’m really trying to understand in a fantasy game your reasoning why this is critical. As a 5’10” woman myself, I have zero issues playing small or tall races. Heck I’m playing a male highlander right now that looks a mix between Emperor Varis and George Washington ffs. I’ll be doing a male bun bun no matter the height. And my 6’2” sister is a male hrothgar with a fade.

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That's not what he said. He said males being taller than females in the game do so because they imitate real life. In general, it is true that women tend to be shorter than men. But that's not saying that men are always taller.

Think of it like this. When you go to the Netherlands, you'll notice Dutch women are tall on average (5'7"). The men in Thailand, on the other hand, clock in at an average of 5'6". But if you look at the average heights of the rest, you'll see what I mean. The average height for Dutch men is 5'11", and for Thai women it's 5'2". Just an example of how this works. If a Dutch woman is taller than a Dutch man, then one of two things is probably happening: that Dutch woman is exceptionally tall, or that Dutch man is exceptionally short.

That's how the exceptions work. If you make your male Viera minimum height, that'll definitely be the exception, because he'll be shorter than a tall female Viera.