Early to Rise hairstyle drop rate

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Yeah, the fact that you can just buy the drops off the marketboard without ever setting foot in DR removes any sort of perceived "prestige" already.

Having the items just means you either got lucky or have gil to burn.

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Pretty much. I don't mind the token system solution. I have probably 60 runs under my belt, with no drops. Leave the RNG in place, but for people who can run it enough times, have another option available, aside from enriching lucky players with tens of millions of gil! ... or simply fix the drop rates.

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Originally Posted by Wissp

I'm curious to know what. I believe the most expensive thing in Eureka was the shiver emote and that dropped in price as soon as SE made Eureka easer to solo. I got one for 3 million gil, which I would say is quite affordable compared to the 25-40 million it want for back in the day. It's still not THAT easy to get, but easier than the old days.

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Well the pets for example, especially the Morbol one.

Also what will people do if the content is death and nobody sells it anymore? I just dont like hairstyles as rewards from such content. Especially when we barely just get any new hairstyle to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Also what will people do if the content is death and nobody sells it anymore? I just dont like hairstyles as rewards from such content. Especially when we barely just get any new hairstyle to begin with.

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I imagine they'd raise the drop rates like they do for lots of old content.
Like they do for mounts in past expacs EX raids.
Like they do for minions at the end of old alliance raids.
Like they did with 50/60/70 dungeons where they adjust the chests so less of them drop only accessories.
I don't think we should expect the hair to be an absurdly rare drop forever that just gets more inaccessible with time. There's very little content that doesn't adjust their drop rates over time, with NPC Triple Triad drops being one of the few I can actually think of.

I have done another 16 runs since I last posted here. Fourth relic weapon. Not a single drop. No hair, no barding, no mount. I am now at the point where I am burnt out of DR. I have run this so many times and gotten nothing but relic progress, despite there being actual semi-desirable drops. It is annoying; soul-crushing.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Ignore Vickii, they're one of the local forum trolls.

What baffles me is how people don't understand that adding items to a token system doesn't make them less rare than something you might get on your first run. If the hair and mount cost 999 silver coins or whatever it would be just as rare, if not rarer because it would still take over 50 runs and only the dedicated will get their hands on it. The only thing it does is add QoL so some unlucky person won't statistically get the short end of the stick and end up with nothing after 100 runs.

Rng is an old, outdated system. The people who like rng don't want rarity, they want to get lucky every so often and have a "rare" item without having had to work too hard for it.

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Case in point, the two Unreal mounts. Both still sell in excess of 15-20M despite having been available for months. Granted, I don't love the whole fox nonsense but the takeaway here is there's a consistent grind that will inevitably guarantee you the reward over time with RNG being a bonus instead of a hindrance. With the hairstyle, it feels blatant they know people will stop running it after finishing their preferred relic. So they made it obnoxiously low in the hopes of keeping them there, spamming it.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

With the hairstyle, it feels blatant they know people will stop running it after finishing their preferred relic. So they made it obnoxiously low in the hopes of keeping them there, spamming it.

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They reeled me in for two more relic weapons than I had planned, just because I wanted to make my money back after having bought the hair. I thought doing it 75+ times would have netted me something, but apparently not.

I'm pretty much at my limit now though. I'll start another relic quest, and just do it passively. If I get CT in roulette 15 times, and eventually get back to DR, I'll consider doing it again.

53 runs here. Got the barding on the 42nd (yay? I guess?). No mount, no hair. Spent all my essences too. I am very tired of it all by now. And no, I am not going to buy either of them from the market. And in fact, I feel stupid for doing so many runs. There is a reason I dont play chance games irl, lol.

The price already dropped to 8 mil in kujata

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Originally Posted by Kozh

The price already dropped to 8 mil in kujata

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I'ts around 9 mil in Aether atm. Still, spending that much on a hairstyle, specially after so many runs (too many for me, probably other people can be at it for much longer) would make me feel worse, so I rather don't.

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Originally Posted by Kozh

The price already dropped to 8 mil in kujata

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It's "only" 8 million instead of 20 (and that seems consistent across Elemental DC as far as I've checked), but that's still a huge amount of money to be asking from a player.

Affordable for people who've been around for a while, but far out of the reach of newer players - my alts are around late SB or into ShB, generally with a lot of rouletting and multiple classes raised, and that would be all the money they own.

I hope it will drop further, but I'm worried that it won't. Or it won't stay down.

I really dislike the pattern of locking hairstyles behind content as prestige items. Glamour and mounts, fine. But hairstyles can be such an integral part of a character design, and it's so offputtimg that some will be permanently locked behind these high prices and arbitrary grinds while others are free or easily obtained.

Oh finally, a drop other than just coins! ... oh wait, no nevermind.

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Rng is pretty low. I got it in 7 runs, but friends have done 40+ and not seen it.


Wouldn't mind it being buyable with silver or gold coins. Even a lot of them.

A friend was begging folks for the hair.... when an entire linkshell is running it repeatedly and nobody ever sees it drop, the rate is too low. I finally just bought it for her because I felt so bad. (Money can't by happiness, but it can be things which give happiness to other people, which is almost as good.)

Drop rate reminds me of the mount drop rates. 1% at most.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's "only" 8 million instead of 20 (and that seems consistent across Elemental DC as far as I've checked), but that's still a huge amount of money to be asking from a player.

Affordable for people who've been around for a while, but far out of the reach of newer players - my alts are around late SB or into ShB, generally with a lot of rouletting and multiple classes raised, and that would be all the money they own.

I hope it will drop further, but I'm worried that it won't. Or it won't stay down.

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Unfortunately, now might be the best time to buy these items. When people have had their fill of this content, the prices will likely jump right back up. Unless SE does something about this content and these drop rates, or cross-datacenter travel alleviates this - even then it would still likely be high.

I HATE that the best option is to buy it from lucky players. I, and others, have put the effort in, and gotten nothing for it. You don't get gil from this (unless you are one of the lucky ones). It's awful.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Unfortunately, now might be the best time to buy these items. When people have had their fill of this content, the prices will likely jump right back up. Unless SE does something about this content and these drop rates, or cross-datacenter travel alleviates this - even then it would still likely be high.

I HATE that the best option is to buy it from lucky players. I, and others, have put the effort in, and gotten nothing for it. You don't get gil from this (unless you are one of the lucky ones). It's awful.

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Yeah, I would buy them as soon as the prices bottom out...unless they have already. That's what I did with the mount, barding and minion. Don't really like the hair myself so I'm saving some gil there.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Rng is pretty low. I got it in 7 runs, but friends have done 40+ and not seen it.


Wouldn't mind it being buyable with silver or gold coins. Even a lot of them.

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Looks good on you. Personally I haven't bothered much since it's not that good on Au Ra sadly -.-

OK I am now pretty sure this hair dosnt exist and we are all just hallucinating it, those who have it have normal hair but we perceive it differently in the hope it's real.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I shouldn't have had to buy it after (so far) 56 RUNS! I STILL have not seen the hair, nor the mount, nor the barding drop. A party member in a DR I ran last night was telling me in 127 runs they saw it drop... ONCE! It's ridiculous! It really doesn't feel like they are expecting people to run it 15 times, rather they are expecting people to run it 255 times, and most should get a drop by then.

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God. It's Suzaku all over again.

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Originally Posted by DracotheDragon

OK I am now pretty sure this hair dosnt exist and we are all just hallucinating it, those who have it have normal hair but we perceive it differently in the hope it's real.

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It took me about 30 runs to get it.Rng is rng.People need to accept that.Also as of now prce on my servers is down to about 10 mil and dropping.The price will eventually drop down to much less.
If people had patience they can jsut wait til the price massivly drops to affordable price.
I think the bigger issue is people want the hair asap to show off to people before it becomes common and nothing more.
Otherwise whats the problem waiting seriously?

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Originally Posted by Iscah

It's "only" 8 million instead of 20 (and that seems consistent across Elemental DC as far as I've checked), but that's still a huge amount of money to be asking from a player.

Affordable for people who've been around for a while, but far out of the reach of newer players - my alts are around late SB or into ShB, generally with a lot of rouletting and multiple classes raised, and that would be all the money they own.

I hope it will drop further, but I'm worried that it won't. Or it won't stay down.

I really dislike the pattern of locking hairstyles behind content as prestige items. Glamour and mounts, fine. But hairstyles can be such an integral part of a character design, and it's so offputtimg that some will be permanently locked behind these high prices and arbitrary grinds while others are free or easily obtained.

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What will inevitably happen is they'll stuff it into the Moogle event token thing or whatever Eureka/Bozja equivalent they release in the next expansion. Then again, the HoH hairstyle has neither been put elsewhere nor seen a single buff to its drop rate. So... this hairstyle could become next to impossible to get by 6.0.

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Originally Posted by Metalwrath

Otherwise whats the problem waiting seriously?

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Wait for what? You can run it a million times and not see it once.

Once the content is old and people stop running it the prices will skyrocket again, DR is not evergreen content like PotD or HoH.

Unless they make it available somewhere else this will be unattainable to players eventually.

An additional thought on the price: the hairstyle is literally costing a player more gil than it takes (in fixed game pricing) to buy a small house and furnish it.

There's a serious inflation problem here.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

An additional thought on the price: the hairstyle is literally costing a player more gil than it takes (in fixed game pricing) to buy a small house and furnish it.

There's a serious inflation problem here.

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Just my two cents but if people are buying items at that high of a cost, it's basically going to set the standard. Like, and this is just an example, if I got the hair on Day 1 and found a buyer to grab it for 20m off the PF, then everyone else who was watching that sale go down will set theirs for a similar price because they know 20m is attainable. If you want things to be priced lower, people have to stop buying things are exorbitant prices. However, that most likely wont happen since there are many players out there who have been here since 1.0 sitting on hundreds of millions of gil. So, to them, 20m is a drop in the bucket.

Unless SE starts setting prices for things instead of leaving it to the playerbase, things will ALWAYS cost an arm and a leg for extremely rare drops when they first come out. The hair has dropped down to 8m I think in my server which is a massive drop from the 25m people were getting Day 1. Gotta deal with it and not get it, grind for as long as it takes or pay for it. Sadly, there isn't a 4th option.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

Unless SE starts setting prices for things instead of leaving it to the playerbase, things will ALWAYS cost an arm and a leg for extremely rare drops when they first come out.

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Sorry 6 AM brain in action, meant the FF14 staff, not SE.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

An additional thought on the price: the hairstyle is literally costing a player more gil than it takes (in fixed game pricing) to buy a small house and furnish it.

There's a serious inflation problem here.

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That's the second reason I won't buy it even after 53 fruitless runs (the first being, it would just add insult to injury). I won't ever buy a hairstyle that costs more than a house. It's a matter of proportion.

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Originally Posted by Yencat

Wait for what? You can run it a million times and not see it once.

Once the content is old and people stop running it the prices will skyrocket again, DR is not evergreen content like PotD or HoH.

Unless they make it available somewhere else this will be unattainable to players eventually.

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DR is evergreen content because of Resistance Weapons. Players will be farming for them in the future just as they are currently farming for Zodiac, Anima and Eureka weapons. There are other players who still go into Eureka to farm for its rare items that are worth millions on the MB. We'll see the same thing happen with this.

The only way the hairstyle will end up unattainable is if SE removes it from the game altogether.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

An additional thought on the price: the hairstyle is literally costing a player more gil than it takes (in fixed game pricing) to buy a small house and furnish it.

There's a serious inflation problem here.

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Inflation has nothing to do with it, nor should you be basing any such claims off the price of a house. Player controlled pricing and game controlled pricing work in different ways.

It's a supply versus demand issue. We see this happen with every new item introduced to the game that can be sold on the marketboard. Sellers set initial prices high based on expected rarity and demand. Prices then settle as buyers show what they're willing to pay.

This item is not Night Pegasus whistle rarity. It's Gyr Abanian Plait rarity. We're going to see the same price pattern emerge, with it fluctuating depending on how many players are actively farming content for their relics.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

DR is evergreen content because of Resistance Weapons. Players will be farming for them in the future just as they are currently farming for Zodiac, Anima and Eureka weapons. There are other players who still go into Eureka to farm for its rare items that are worth millions on the MB. We'll see the same thing happen with this.

The only way the hairstyle will end up unattainable is if SE removes it from the game altogether.

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Yes, but the difference is that DR is entirely optional after the first run, you can get Timeworn Artifacts elsewhere as well.

You can't do your Eureka weapon anywhere but in Eureka.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

DR is evergreen content because of Resistance Weapons. Players will be farming for them in the future just as they are currently farming for Zodiac, Anima and Eureka weapons. There are other players who still go into Eureka to farm for its rare items that are worth millions on the MB. We'll see the same thing happen with this.

The only way the hairstyle will end up unattainable is if SE removes it from the game altogether.

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Eureka sees less than twenty people on a given average nowadays. It's actually quite difficult to get Eureka weapons because so few people bother with the zone. How likely do you think twenty-four people will queue for DR when they're no longer pursuing a relic? Unlike the Zodiac and Anima weapons, you're reliant on other people to queue into content that can't be unsynced.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

This item is not Night Pegasus whistle rarity. It's Gyr Abanian Plait rarity. We're going to see the same price pattern emerge, with it fluctuating depending on how many players are actively farming content for their relics.

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Actually, it's somewhere in the middle. The drop rate is lower than Gry Abanian Plait and it takes substantially longer to clear DR than floors 20-30 of HoH but not as long as going down to floors 160-200 of PotD. There's a reason Plait dipped below the million threshold within two weeks whereas Early Rise still sits at almost 10M.

I just got it two days ago, could not sell it, despite loosing like 300k worth in 10k-ish steps. Yeah no... im not gonna no life the MB or hope to be lucky...

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Originally Posted by Iscah

An additional thought on the price: the hairstyle is literally costing a player more gil than it takes (in fixed game pricing) to buy a small house and furnish it.

There's a serious inflation problem here.

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To be fair, while I agree the droprate is too low and people are only really running DR for the relic which will skyrocket the rarity in the future, houses are far too cheap for what they are. Players also have no control over their price either.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

To be fair, while I agree the droprate is too low and people are only really running DR for the relic which will skyrocket the rarity in the future, houses are far too cheap for what they are. Players also have no control over their price either.

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People already circumvent the fixed prices of houses through private sales. And if we add hardly affordable prices to everything that is scarce, the only happy customers will be gold sellers and speculators.

I want the hair. But I'd never buy it on the marketboard, since even if I had infinite gil, I'd never spend the 8-10 million gil it goes for since I'm not going to make someone rich since they got lucky on RNG. If I get one... Yay, new hairstyle. Otherwise, I'm cool without it.

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Originally Posted by DreadCrow

I want the hair. But I'd never buy it on the marketboard, since even if I had infinite gil, I'd never spend the 8-10 million gil it goes for since I'm not going to make someone rich since they got lucky on RNG. If I get one... Yay, new hairstyle. Otherwise, I'm cool without it.

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I'm with you on that, as much as I would love having the hairstyle paying around 9.3mil (on my server) is a bit excessive, nothing worse than leaving it all down to RNG just to even get a chance on getting the hairstyle.

It really is a shame we can't exchange coins for the hairstyle but I guess they want to make it (exclusive) to make it drop from the dungeon, even then there is a limit to how many times you would want to repeat the same dungeon just for a "chance" on getting said item.

I might just hold off on getting the hairstyle until it goes for a lower price, if & when that will happen remains to be seen considering the rate it's going at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Inflation has nothing to do with it, nor should you be basing any such claims off the price of a house. Player controlled pricing and game controlled pricing work in different ways.

It's a supply versus demand issue. We see this happen with every new item introduced to the game that can be sold on the marketboard. Sellers set initial prices high based on expected rarity and demand. Prices then settle as buyers show what they're willing to pay.

This item is not Night Pegasus whistle rarity. It's Gyr Abanian Plait rarity. We're going to see the same price pattern emerge, with it fluctuating depending on how many players are actively farming content for their relics.

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The thing is, SE is in control of that supply versus demand. They've set the drop rates so those items are only coming onto the market at a trickle, and cost much more than, say, the also highly sought after items from the Ishgardian Restoration.

And inflation definitely has a lot to do with it, because older players increasingly are sitting on sufficiently huge amounts of gil that they will pay that much for a hairstyle - but it's miles out of reach for a new player. The higher prices are set, the longer a new player is unable to get it.

As I said before, putting this degree of rarity and prestige on hairstyles feels different to glamour or mounts. Those are desirable but you regularly switch outfits so it would just be one of many, but a hairstyle is visible on your character 100% of the time so it feels more central to their design and important for people to be able to use the style that they want.

Here to echo what everyone has said so far, and that after so many runs I still haven't gotten my hands on it and it's exhausting.

I could understand the mount being a rare drop, or a minion, but something as trivial as a hairstyle shouldn't be THIS hard to get.

Since there's no alternative way to buy it with Coins, you have to get lucky. There's nothing "prestigious" about getting lucky. If there was at least a price of 500 Silver Coins, you could go in hoping that you'll get it to drop, but you'd also know you're working toward a clear goal with a fixed number of runs. When I go in there now, part of me feels like I'm wasting my time because if it hasn't dropped in 40+ runs it might be another 40 till it does.

I remember when the Samsonian Locks came out in PotD and IIRC it was the first time SE had a hairstyle as an RNG drop and ZeplaHQ made a rant video about it, and she sums RNG systems pretty well; with RNG there's always going to be someone that doesn't get it, no matter how many times you try. You can run it for years every single day and you'll never get it. And unless you farmed until your eyes bled during the window where content was populated, people will move onto the new content when a new expansion hits and your organic chances hit an astronomical low ON TOP of the RNG.

I suspect we'll see an increase in the drop rate for 5.5 but I could be wrong.

Paid 9 million for it. That was all I had. Got tired of running the raid

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Paid 9 million for it. That was all I had. Got tired of running the raid

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Welcome to the club! If you paid 9 million, it looks like the price is going back up/settling at that number. Unfortunate, probably means when this item becomes more rare this hairstyle will probably be priced VERY high (not like it isn't already!).

I suspect even if they increase the drop rate in the future, the damage has already been done. Due to the nature and implementation of DR, plus a fickle playerbase, this item will always be priced high and very rare.

The only thing DR is for is getting the armor so that you can upgrade it to the 515 version from doing SDR. I'm actually kind of wondering if Savage DR is doing worse than Diadem 1.0.

I also joined the 'gave up and bought it' club.

The price has been stagnant for weeks, and DR is getting worse and slower. I was worried the price would start going up more.