I never understood the multi-character troubles until now. Things need account wide.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Nope, it's about priority. If you want alts, then you know it's going to be less convenient. That's just how it is.

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That's not how it has to be, though. Could always argue against qol with "that's just how things are"

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

That's not how it has to be, though. Could always argue against qol with "that's just how things are"

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It doesn't have to be, but it is now and for the foreseeable future. Hence, if you follow the discussion, you'll notice I began a sentence with: "In the meantime, ..."

EDIT: And I have given my reason for not wanting it to change (with exceptions, as I've noted). This is not a simple QoL that benefits everyone without any negative effect.

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Originally Posted by Eric_Riot

Oh I disagree with this completely. People with just one toon can earn a mount and proudly display it. I on the other hand play 7 alts why can I not display my mount that I earned just as much as you did on my alt? I'm not asking for anything that I did not earn. There are titles I will never get because I play 7 alts. For example I have enough comm between all my alts to get titles but I'll never get them because they are spread out between 7 alts. Why I do not have access to these titles is unfair. I earned them just as much as anyone else.

There are several reason's I play alts one is because I like to experience the game in so many way's RP, and I want to lock away my names as well. If I use a name change token I could lose my name that I have played with going all the way back to the UO days. I would HATE to lose my name, and EricGorn would NEVER hold a bow. EVER.

I just want things to be more balance. I think GW2 is killing it in that aspect.

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Except you're not truly RPing when you expect one character to automatically get what another character has earned. They're separate entities, especially when you're actively roleplaying.

The character did not earn it, therefore the character should not have it.

Alts are a time filler. They increase content longevity through the need to repeat the content on any character that you wish to have the associated reward. Make those rewards account wide and there's no reason to repeat that content. More players start complaining about a lack of things to do.

Look at what happened to WoW. There have been plenty of things going wrong with that game but player dissatisfaction surged right after Blizzard started making things account wide. People ran out of things to do because they already had what their wanted through the effort of just one character, leaving little for their alts to do. If they had to repeat that content on their alts, they would have had more to do and wouldn't have been as dissatisfied.

I don't have a problem with SE making Mogstation items account wide when those items were direct to Mogstation in the first place. Nothing earned through game play, even if it's a one time event, should ever be account wide. If the character is going to have the item, the character needs to earn it.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Except you're not truly RPing when you expect one character to automatically get what another character has earned. They're separate entities, especially when you're actively roleplaying.

The character did not earn it, therefore the character should not have it.

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That's not how RP works.
RP is play-pretend. You can just pretend they haven't achieved those if it's really an issue.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

That's not how RP works.
RP is play-pretend. You can just pretend they haven't achieved those if it's really an issue.

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You can also play pretend you have the mount/title/whatever even if you don't have it for that matter.

Or you can just go do the content with the character and earn it legitimately.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

That's not how RP works.
RP is play-pretend. You can just pretend they haven't achieved those if it's really an issue.

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If only that works. Then I won't have to argue with people about FFXIV zone design and load screen and invisible walls as breaking immersion when they play a game with a HUD that clearly show them it's still a video game.

I didn't realize there were such strict requirements as to what qualifies as proper RP and what doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Vipes

I use to be like most of you, saying "You only need one character, why make things account wide?". That was until a few friends of mine decided to come back to FFXIV. All of us are on different data centers, and I'm the only one in my friend group on Primal. Three are on Crystal, one is on Aether and two are on Chaos. Each of us are in various parts of the story. I know some people are going to say "just server transfer". It's not that easy. One the transfer fee, second being my friends have friends in their respective data centers, and lastly they're in FCs they don't want to leave. Now if cross data center was truly a thing we wouldn't have to worry. But it's cross world only. So we all made one character for each data center we were on. Sounds straightforward right? Well, not exactly.

All those event items they wanted to use? Locked on their main. Mog Station purchases? Locked on main. Achievements? On main. Hopefully you can see where I'm going with this. If not, here's a short list of what should be account wide

- Event/Limited Time Achievements
- All Mog Station purchases
- Event/Limited Time items (Mounts/Emotes/Glam/armoire etc)

I know this is most likely an unrealistic suggestion, but next time you see someone talking about the troubles of having more than one character, don't brush them off.

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I'll continue to brush them off in the same manner that my having only one character is just as insignificant to them. I honestly don't get why players feel the need to do this, especially with their added gripes that comes along with its restrictions (you know what you signed up for, and if you don't it's on you). However, it is also not my place to tell them how they should be spending their time in the game. Besides, the way I play the game is probably enjoyed the same way by probably <2% of the playerbase.

If you feel one character cannot encompass what you desire to do in the game, that is fine. I would just advise to choose your frustrations carefully when it comes to the restrictions. It's not a good idea to go into a donut shop that has a sign that says, "We are out of powdered donuts.", and then start griping about not being able to get a powdered donut.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I didn't realize there were such strict requirements as to what qualifies as proper RP and what doesn't.

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If you want to RP by yourself, there really isn't any requirement. But if you want to RP with a community, as the case with any group activity, there can be some (strict) requirements that you may have to follow if you want to fit in with a group.

In some communities, just having the "wrong" name could be considered a legitimate offense.

When i was playing Wow, one of the thing that did disturb me was having way too much things who were account-wide. I start a new character, he is level 1, nobody knows him, he is still a wimp, a rookie, a total beginner without any experience who has yet to prove that he is worth something as an adventurer... and he does get all these things like he was some sort of world renowned hero. At the time i whished that i could turn all that off, as it was getting on my way of feeling like starting from scratch again. And it has been among the reasons i didn't stay on this game.

That being said, if rare things were to be made account wide on FF14 too, wouldn't that horribly mess with stats like LuckyBancho ? Oh look, this Super Hyper Mega Perfect Legend title did suddenly become way more common... Did the playerbase become way more skilled at the game ? Oh wait, it is only because the title has been given to every alts on the accounts XD

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You can also play pretend you have the mount/title/whatever even if you don't have it for that matter.

Or you can just go do the content with the character and earn it legitimately.

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Or you know, pretend to not care if someone else wants their achievements on their alts especially when it'll affect practically nothing gamebreaking. Sounds like a reach to involve something like that with RP anyway.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

especially when it'll affect practically nothing gamebreaking

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As I've said, you can't be sure of that.

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Originally Posted by linayar

As I've said, you can't be sure of that.

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This is a feature that's present in other MMOs already and I haven't heard any issues of it being a problem unless I missed something.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

This is a feature that's present in other MMOs already and I haven't heard any issues of it being a problem unless I missed something.

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I'm talking about having the option to "carry on achievement" that you mentioned earlier.

As far as simply having things account-wide in general, I've already stated my reason why I don't want it as it actually affects my gameplay.

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Originally Posted by linayar

I'm talking about having the option to "carry on achievement" that you mentioned earlier.

As far as simply having things account-wide in general, I've already stated my reason why I don't want it as it actually affects my gameplay.

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...Affects *your* gameplay how again? Anyway I don't get why some of you are so worried. This brings me back to when people were so against the story/level skips because apparently it'll bring a list of problems into the game, and yet all it brought was some minor annoyances from others you can brush off and forget, but otherwise nothing very problematic.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

...Affects *your* gameplay how again? Anyway I don't get why some of you are so worried. This brings me back to when people were so against the story/level skips because apparently it'll bring a list of problems into the game, and yet all it brought was some minor annoyances from others you can brush off and forget, but otherwise nothing very problematic.

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It affects how I want to develop my character.

Story/level boosts are not the same thing at all because it's a paid option, not something you get automatically. It is also the same known set of change for everyone, not something that would depend on a player's previous progress.

If you want to use that as an example, then I'm also fine with having a paid option to copy some stuff to a new character (as long as it doesn't break things).

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Originally Posted by linayar

It affects how I want to develop my character.

Story/level boosts are not the same thing at all because it's a paid option, not something you get automatically. It is also the same known set of change for everyone, not something that would depend on a player's previous progress.

If you want to use that as an example, then I'm also fine with having a paid option to copy some stuff to a new character (as long as it doesn't break things).

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It being paid isn't the point. It's how it jumps a character's progress instantly, which also does unlock content, mounts, minions, emotes and achievements for you.

If anything story/level skips are more "problematic" than someone's main character's progression carrying onto the alt because the player themselves done/achieved whatever it was already, meanwhile the story/level skips are available for new players and not exactly "earning" that progression. Still, does that affect or hurt me though? Not really.

Also it's better if something like this is optional anyway. Having options is good.

I've leveled numerous alts in this game. Mostly for helping out with weekly restricted raid gear drops, so that me helping doesn't penalize their drop table. Also an RP alt or two. I've lost track of the amount of times I wished for things to be account wide. The big kicker is the achievements that have dramatically large spans of accumulated work, like do 5000 dungeons for this achievement etc.

I've done well over 5000 dungeon runs, but because it's spread across characters I don't have the achievement. I can understand that hardcore RPers want to be immersed with their characters new and old, but the characters aren't the ones earning the achievement, it is the player. There's no explaining away how your character knows exactly how to fight and beat something you've beaten before. Unless you purposely play poorly, then your new character is just as good as the old, or some cases better if the jobs you're doing for them come more easily to you. I think it's silly to want to deny account wide achievements, among other things, for personal fiction.

Of course, it would be impossible or impractical to have all achievements shared, due to the leveling achievements. But again, the player did earn them once already. Those kinds of achievements lose their value when I've gained the same achievement for maxing a job's level 5 times lol.

I think account wide achievements would be a great thing, because it would also make, "sprouts" who are just alts be more readily recognizable. I've also received undue praise for being good at the game, because people thought I was a newbie that was just a quick learner before. Most notably when I level my Balmung alt to 60 and jumped into tanking Nidhogg Extreme with i210 WAR with i220 accessories or whatever. Some people take advantage of that to sort of game groups, and if achievements were account wide, then you could at least know that someone wasn't a newb because they'd get no achievement and have no first time bonus etc.

That all said, I can't really fathom a way for them to change it from how it currently is to how it should be without some sort of weird grandfathering of achievements or possibly breaking current achievements and having to tear them down and rebuild the stuff from scratch.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

It being paid isn't the point. It's how it jumps a character's progress instantly, which also does unlock content, mounts, minions, emotes and achievements for you.

If anything story/level skips are more "problematic" than someone's main character's progression carrying onto the alt because the player themselves done/achieved whatever it was already, meanwhile the story/level skips are available for new players and not exactly "earning" that progression. Still, does that affect or hurt me though? Not really.

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The way I see it, in any group activity, you can be "carried," so as far as I'm concerned, a boost is just to save time even though I wouldn't personally suggest it, especially on your first playthrough. If people want to learn how to play the game, they will regardless if they used a boost.

(That said, as far as I'm concerned, the game starts with the first cutscene, and if you're going to pay to skip most of it, then you get what you get. If you enjoy it, great, if not, oh well.)

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Also it's better if something like this is optional anyway. Having options is good.

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Yes, the optional part is the key thing for me.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

A name change is worthless, a waste of money, unless you want to RP.

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My characters are specific characters. They have names. I want to see them addressed by their name.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

My characters are specific characters. They have names. I want to see them addressed by their name.

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Like I said, RP. That is a form of RP. Either way, since you have created and leveled alts a name change is worthless - you aren't making your main into a separate entity.

You avoided this issue, by paying the price in time.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

Because people like to play different characters? Constant Fantasia and name changes isn't cheap.

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What I'm saying is, I don't think your post is relevant.

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Originally Posted by RagingStallion

Please check your privilege. Some people have to choose between starving and abandoning mog station items. Not everyone finds mog station items "not that expensive".

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Man if these are your life choices you REALLLLLLLY should not be playing FF14.

Mounts being account wide should have been a thing since forever ago but Square had ff14 F2P for too long and kept some of the shady practices you see in F2P mmo's.