[DEV] Remove full party bonus to increase difficulty

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Originally Posted by GabbaGabba

while i understand that this game is aimed towards casuals

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Stopped reading there. This mentality is what makes me ashamed to play video games.

by removing the bonus they would have to rework all the mobs in the game, there hp, evasion and all stats will b so high u wont b able to kill them, imagine a HNM u cant hit, where would the fun in that be?

The encounters are balanced with there being a full party buff. Simply removing the buff does not mean more difficult battles. Future encounters would be balanced with there not being a full party buff. The result is a zero net change in difficulty.

The ONLY thing that determines difficulty, is the developers arbitrary choice of mechanics and gameplay elements incorporated into a specific encounter.

I'm all for making fights a bit longer, as exp fights are way too short, rate of exp is fine.

Removing full and light party bonuses would technically make fights longer and a bit harder but I don't think it's the way to go because as a system it's a nice reward for filling you party.

remove bonus increase darklight drops.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

In other words, yeah I can't imagine anyone could have fun that way.

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Well that sums up my entire post above, you just don't understand that people are different than you.

Some people find reward in a sense of "Achievement" and I'll leave it at that because you obviously don't care what anyone thinks if it's not in your closed little world.

No. FFXI was gear based, but it worked. In FFXIV, the idea you are proposing will be materia based. Having good materia gear doesn't revolve around being able to kill x enemy y amount of times and being good at the game. No. Having good materia gear revolves around you A) Having a lot of money and B) having high craft classes or being able to pay A LOT for people to meld it for you.

Essentially, the idea you are proposing is an unnecessary time sink that will just lead to more elitism (as if we don't have enough of that already) and I for one do not approve of your idea.

Maybe Rokien is Gifthorse? :D ah its been awhile matey ^^.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Maybe Rokien is Gifthorse? :D ah its been awhile matey ^^.

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When,wait, what... huh? -.-?

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Well that sums up my entire post above, you just don't understand that people are different than you.

Some people find reward in a sense of "Achievement" and I'll leave it at that because you obviously don't care what anyone thinks if it's not in your closed little world.

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I don't care what people think when they start demanding others cater to their play style by removing game mechanics, you're right.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

I don't care what people think when they start demanding others cater to their play style by removing game mechanics, you're right.

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It will create a lot more different play styles, instead of maxing out str or whatever you will have to put acc in it. and what not. Right now, it's limiting play styles

A troll that says a troll is a troll of a troll, thats just trollable funny! :D

Troll mode of.

The bonus was made so people would make big parties, it is the reason the game isnt completely solo. Its a bonus, not something you lose because you play solo. Ive gotten into many parties and gotten many ingame friends thanks to it. Dont remove it.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

I don't care what people think.

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Good for you.

Nice selective editing there. Who cares about context, right?

Seriously, that was kinda bad, what you quoted wasn't even half of the sentence -and- you punctuated it differently than he did

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Originally Posted by GabbaGabba

im a troll for asking a legitimate question and making an honest suggestion? if you say so...

how bout instead of having the bonus for a full party, why not give the abilities to increase the stat points to a class/job and give them more utility?

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understand this as i have large percentage of players are casuals and small percentage are hard core . they will make more changes towards the larger % because of monthly rev in se pockets so give up and join them because cant sure beat them

I personally would LOVE to see content that would be like SKY Sea Dyna and HNM's like vrtra Etc.. but the way its going we will surely have lightsabers by 2.0 LMAO

play with a party of 7 but if light party bonus is too much play with 8 people not in a party.

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

Seriously, that was kinda bad, what you quoted wasn't even half of the sentence -and- you punctuated it differently than he did

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Does it matter it's still in the exact same context he said, he doesn't care what other people think. I could add the rest of the sentence and the point remains.

He doesn't care what other people think if it doesn't fit into his view on things he hasn't really been covert about that fact. He flat out doesn't "Understand" why some people could find something fun nor does he seem to care to even listen to someone who does enjoy what he finds a stupid limitation to the game.

I could tear his argument appart that states "It's only utility you don't HAVE to use it guys~!" mentality but there is no point to it as he wouldn't even consider what I say. I'm just telling him that it's great that he has his own ideals and he thinks everyone else is wrong unless it makes him have a life changing epiphany.

Nothing about my shortening (and adding a period) of his statement is out of context. he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

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To be fair if he tells me that he does actually care what other people think I will remove my prior post and edit this one.

But as far as I can tell he doesn't care wether I or anyone else think something he doesn't find fun is fun.

It's akin to saying something like... "I can't understand why people like blue, red is a superior colour."

I may misunderstand his intent but he doesn't seem willing to debate, let alone try to understand one another. It's not only him alot of people on these forums (and everywhere) are like this, on both sides of the fence no less.

tear down the fence!

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Does it matter it's still in the exact same context he said, he doesn't care what other people think. I could add the rest of the sentence and the point remains.

He doesn't care what other people think if it doesn't fit into his view on things he hasn't really been covert about that fact. He flat out doesn't "Understand" why some people could find something fun nor does he seem to care to even listen to someone who does enjoy what he finds a stupid limitation to the game.

I could tear his argument appart that states "It's only utility you don't HAVE to use it guys~!" mentality but there is no point to it as he wouldn't even consider what I say. I'm just telling him that it's great that he has his own ideals and he thinks everyone else is wrong unless it makes him have a life changing epiphany.

Nothing about my shortening (and adding a period) of his statement is out of context. he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

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To be fair if he tells me that he does actually care what other people think I will remove my prior post and edit this one.

But as far as I can tell he doesn't care wether I or anyone else think something he doesn't find fun is fun.

It's akin to saying something like... "I can't understand why people like blue, red is a superior colour."

I may misunderstand his intent but he doesn't seem willing to debate, let alone try to understand one another. It's not only him alot of people on these forums (and everywhere) are like this, on both sides of the fence no less.

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Are you done with your soapbox speech?

You can be filled with all the self-righteous indignation you want, I still have yet to hear a single objectively positive thing that would come from removing this bonus from the game.

And no, slapping noobs in the face with your e-peen...excuse me "sense of accomplishment" for nothing else but hitting the *current* level cap is not a reason.

In theory though, shouldn't the battles be balanced around NOT having the full party bonus?

If the battles are balanced around it, then it's not a bonus, it's just...average. A bonus in this case would imply that you gain something from having a full party.

Is the "bonus" for having a full party the +10% edge the mob was supposed to have over you? It just seems kinda pointless/redundant if the encounters were designed with the bonus in mind.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

In theory though, shouldn't the battles be balanced around NOT having the full party bonus?

If the battles are balanced around it, then it's not a bonus, it's just...average. A bonus in this case would imply that you gain something from having a full party.

Is the "bonus" for having a full party the +10% edge the mob was supposed to have over you? It just seems kinda pointless/redundant if the encounters were designed with the bonus in mind.

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SE has a habit of doing redundant things, and being nonsensical in they way they "balance" their MMO content. Either every battle in this game is geared around having the full party bonus, or SE REALLY went overboard on their accuracy nerf.

(I'm frankly shocked my character can walk 5 feet without slamming his face into the nearest wall as bad as his accuracy is.)

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Originally Posted by Colino

It's not the idea itself, it's just how he put it.

I actually agree that full PT bonus should be toned down. It's a bit ridicolous that with full PT Acc bonus I never miss a single arrow on my BRD and I don't have a single acc bonus on me (in fact I'm using the songbow which reduces acc).

But if this were to be done I wouldn't ask for it to "increase difficulty", it's just a part of balancing that should always be going on, not suddenly done because someone wants the game to be harder. It's funny because if I recall PT bonus was supposed to be implemented to push people into partying to level up and get the incentives, not necessarily for endgame content where the EXP bonus does them no good.

Also stating that the game is "for casuals" doesn't really help him prove a point.

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Totally agree. I honestly wouldn't mind if the party bonus left the game. The acc bonus is crazy. If it was gone, people would want bards more often, as well as, proper acc gear and food. Right now it just feels like everyone is just winging it whenever they go do an event as a group.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

You can be filled with all the self-righteous indignation you want, I still have yet to hear a single objectively positive thing that would come from removing this bonus from the game.

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Wrong you just haven't heard a single thing that you want to hear about it.

I don't goad my accomplishments over others, I just enjoy their being a challenge to them.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

In theory though, shouldn't the battles be balanced around NOT having the full party bonus?

If the battles are balanced around it, then it's not a bonus, it's just...average. A bonus in this case would imply that you gain something from having a full party.

Is the "bonus" for having a full party the +10% edge the mob was supposed to have over you? It just seems kinda pointless/redundant if the encounters were designed with the bonus in mind.

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This. It's a pointless bonus and I really don't understand why it's in the game. I guess the question is, and it's been asked, do they balance dungeon/primal content around the bonus or not?

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Originally Posted by Bustercucumbers

Totally agree. I honestly wouldn't mind if the party bonus left the game. The acc bonus is crazy. If it was gone, people would want bards more often, as well as, proper acc gear and food. Right now it just feels like everyone is just winging it whenever they go do an event as a group.

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OR they could buff enemy stats to counter it since the buff is here in the first place to encourage partying rather than soloing.

I wish they would bring back bonus exp for different types of monsters, I miss when Efts and Beastmen would give a bit more bang for the difficulty.

...but now beastment and Efts are as strong as marmots!

Jig is up Gabbagabba is my second account, joke on you guys :D



jk ^.^

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Originally Posted by Dragon

OR they could buff enemy stats to counter it since the buff is here in the first place to encourage partying rather than soloing.

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Yeah that could work too. Right now things are just so easy. If it wasn't for the sluggish servers, everyone would cruise control through this game like ffxiii-2.