There needs to be a way to remove dungeons from roulette?

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Honestly, I've seen more struggles with giant pulls when people forget they're synched down to i440

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The trick for the first groups is:
The healer stays behind until the shadow Exergon locks onto another target. Then the healer sprints in and insta heals the tank. Tank needs to use CDs to bridge the gap.
If you do this, the healer doesn't get the debuff and the mass pulls are nice and easy.

Only mass pulls that hit a bit harder are the ones before the last boss but CD usage takes care of that.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

It's far more likely queues would become unbearably longer for certain dungeons than increase. If you could veto five dungeons from Leveling, I can all but guarantee which ones would be picked.

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What if you couldn't pick 5?

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And therein lies the problem. Four of them are story required, which means new players could be waiting hours. Amaurot would have a similar problem simply because of the ilvl sync.

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There are ways to get around this, I mentioned one in the second half of my quote. It's really only a problem in your example because the number of vetos you used is enough to cover all of the most unpopular dungeons, and that's assuming the dungeons you listed really are the only ones people would avoid. As with the Alliance Roulette, players will queue for leveling expecting different things. Some people only care about getting the reward, they might choose to skip The Vault or Doma Castle over Sastasha and Copper Bell.

I like the idea of having *one* exclusion option. Main reason is myself and my friends are doing MSQ together but have different schedules. When they're not free to continue, I jump around solo. But multiple times I cannot run the levelling roulette (or trial roulette, or whatever) because I might get the one for the next step in the MSQ and have to drop. I've seen several others have the same issue, where their alt jobs catch up to a level where the 'pause' duty is now available and they have to stop running stuff solo until others catch up.

So yeah, being able to veto a single option to stop yourself getting the duty you promised others you'd wait on them for, or just cannot stand, shouldn't be that big of a deal. After all, even if it's the latter, better to have. A slightly longer wait time while you can be doing hunts or side quests or crafting or whatever, than get in and have someone drop instantly and then have to wait out that extra time inside the duty.

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Originally Posted by GojuSuzi

I like the idea of having *one* exclusion option. Main reason is myself and my friends are doing MSQ together but have different schedules. When they're not free to continue, I jump around solo. But multiple times I cannot run the levelling roulette (or trial roulette, or whatever) because I might get the one for the next step in the MSQ and have to drop. I've seen several others have the same issue, where their alt jobs catch up to a level where the 'pause' duty is now available and they have to stop running stuff solo until others catch up.

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I think a simpler solution for this scenario than a single dungeon exclusion would just be having roulette only put you into duties you've already cleared once. Then you'd be able to do leveling roulette without hitting the duty you hadn't yet done and were waiting on them for.

I'm kind of torn on this as removing anything from a roulette would kind of go against the idea of it being a roulette, after all - would also go against the idea behind making roulettes with rewards available in the first place, which is to fill up parties for instances that would otherwise take much longer to fill.

However at this point, I'm getting so sick of getting Labyrinth of the Ancients every single time for alliance roulette that I can't really say I disagree with this suggestion. Maybe have the option of removing a one or two instances?... Please, just let me get something Other than LotA already. /cry

I actually agree. Would be nice if we could tick off one dungeon per roulette we didn’t want. I’d even take less rewards if that’s the trade off.

People, if you get the same dungeons/trials often it probably means there are still a lot of people doing those for progression.

If people were able to "disable" the "annoying ones" then the entire point of the roulette would be defeated as the idea is that it exists to help players outside the initial expac rush, to catch up with the rest of us.

You think that "just allowing us to disable one dungeon" is harmless because you are thinking of yourself and not how many would do the same or similar moves.

The system is simply working as intended.

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Originally Posted by AHelpingPaw

People, if you get the same dungeons/trials often it probably means there are still a lot of people doing those for progression.

If people were able to "disable" the "annoying ones" then the entire point of the roulette would be defeated as the idea is that it exists to help players outside the initial expac rush, to catch up with the rest of us.

You think that "just allowing us to disable one dungeon" is harmless because you are thinking of yourself and not how many would do the same or similar moves.

The system is simply working as intended.

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Yet I had a group of all level 80s and got Sasha lol out of all the dungeons we could have got or every day the entire alliance walking around in 60+ gear but you always get laby lol

I'm sorry but I honestly don't believe its because people are single qing for it you can tell that when they are watching the Cs at the start are their level more or less =s the dungons level which rarely ever happans its just massively rng and nothing else

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

Yet I had a group of all level 80s and got Sasha lol out of all the dungeons we could have got or every day the entire alliance walking around in 60+ gear but you always get laby lol

I'm sorry but I honestly don't believe its because people are single qing for it you can tell that when they are watching the Cs at the start are their level more or less =s the dungons level which rarely ever happans its just massively rng and nothing else

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Getting satasha with all 80s is just a matter of luck.

Getting LotA in alliance roulette all the time is because people cheese the system to always get it by removing gear and lowering their ivl below the requirements of other alliance raids. This is why it can be very difficult to get into certain alliance raids like orbonne monestary because people are using loopholes to get out of it, undermining the purpose of roulettes.

I don't know who the heck would ever want to get Orbonne in Alliance Raid roulette, that one is worth leaving if someone else does so you don't get a timer.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I don't know who the heck would ever want to get Orbonne in Alliance Raid roulette, that one is worth leaving if someone else does so you don't get a timer.

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It's the best Alliance raid so far. All the rest are boring now.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

It's the best Alliance raid so far. All the rest are boring now.

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You are going to sit here and tell me people actually use the alliance raid roulette for "fun"? At least copied factory gives me a token I can use to upgrade some deepshadow gear for a random alt class. Orbonne is just pointless in every way. Definitely not fun.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You are going to sit here and tell me people actually use the alliance raid roulette for "fun"? At least copied factory gives me a token I can use to upgrade some deepshadow gear for a random alt class. Orbonne is just pointless in every way. Definitely not fun.

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Why yes, I do indeed run alliance for fun. Imagine playing a game for fun, of all things!
And that's precisely why I'm not running it lately, getting LotA for weeks in a row is just incredibly dull and no amount of tomes would make it any less so.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You are going to sit here and tell me people actually use the alliance raid roulette for "fun"? At least copied factory gives me a token I can use to upgrade some deepshadow gear for a random alt class. Orbonne is just pointless in every way. Definitely not fun.

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Ivalice raids will be required for the new upcoming relic chain.

2nd, Orbonne has echo and the last few runs were non-eventful.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

Why yes, I do indeed run alliance for fun. Imagine playing a game for fun, of all things!
And that's precisely why I'm not running it lately, getting LotA for weeks in a row is just incredibly dull and no amount of tomes would make it any less so.

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Odd.

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Originally Posted by technole

Ivalice raids will be required for the new upcoming relic chain.

2nd, Orbonne has echo and the last few runs were non-eventful.

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Upcoming, as in, not now?

I don't know what this second point is about.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You are going to sit here and tell me people actually use the alliance raid roulette for "fun"? At least copied factory gives me a token I can use to upgrade some deepshadow gear for a random alt class. Orbonne is just pointless in every way. Definitely not fun.

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To be precise, all roulettes can be fun if one is lucky enough to end up with nice people in a random instance. The alliance thing itself just suffers a lot under being way too often the LV50 content - and the fact, that many players have zero idea how mechanics in any 24-people-instance work, doesn't help for the later raids.

Speeeaaaking about it:
Orbonne used to be my absolute favorite alliance-instance in 4.5 - especially when everybody got the hang of it. The runs were smooth and nobody rage-quitted.
But guess what happened when 5.0 came in. Suddenly, there were waves of people who had never done the Ivalice-raids before - because they were either returners who hadn't played for a long time or were entirely new players. And said people are the reason why clearing Orbonne turned out to be almost impossible (usual place to give up: Cidolfus) before SE permanently activated Echo for the instance.
That being said, I can still enjoy an Orbonne-run (even after said disaster in last summer) -- when people prove to me, that they either know the raid or are at least capable of understanding mechanics, that is.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Upcoming, as in, not now?

I don't know what this second point is about.

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A) If you haven't cleared the Ivalice-raids,you have no access to the new relics.
B) Orbonne got, as I mentioned in my former comment, permanent Echo to make up for the 'difficulty'. And Technole has given you that point to explain why the instance is running smoother in the last weeks.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I don't know who the heck would ever want to get Orbonne in Alliance Raid roulette, that one is worth leaving if someone else does so you don't get a timer.

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Orbonne is the best alliance raid in the game and it's not even close. It's not even hard so I don't see what your issue is.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

To be precise, all roulettes can be fun if one is lucky enough to end up with nice people in a random instance. The alliance thing itself just suffers a lot under being way too often the LV50 content - and the fact, that many players have zero idea how mechanics in any 24-people-instance work, doesn't help for the later raids.

Speeeaaaking about it:
Orbonne used to be my absolute favorite alliance-instance in 4.5 - especially when everybody got the hang of it. The runs were smooth and nobody rage-quitted.
But guess what happened when 5.0 came in. Suddenly, there were waves of people who had never done the Ivalice-raids before - because they were either returners who hadn't played for a long time or were entirely new players. And said people are the reason why clearing Orbonne turned out to be almost impossible (usual place to give up: Cidolfus) before SE permanently activated Echo for the instance.
That being said, I can still enjoy an Orbonne-run (even after said disaster in last summer) -- when people prove to me, that they either know the raid or are at least capable of understanding mechanics, that is.

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Honestly, I don't really understand why Cinderella was so hard for groups. He literally telegraphs all his moves.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

A) If you haven't cleared the Ivalice-raids,you have no access to the new relics.
B) Orbonne got, as I mentioned in my former comment, permanent Echo to make up for the 'difficulty'. And Technole has given you that point to explain why the instance is running smoother in the last weeks.

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Upcoming, as in, not now? I am talking about the point in wanting to do it in the roulette right now. Better off taking the 30 minute penalty - much better use of time.

I wouldn't know. I haven't done Orbonne since. I can't remember.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Upcoming, as in, now now? I am talking about the point in wanting to do it in the roulette right now. Better off taking the 30 minute penalty - much better use of time.

I wouldn't know. I haven't done Orbonne since. I can't remember.

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:facepalm: EDIT: I still think eating the penalty isn't immediately necessary. See the first boss a ka how the alliance performs and then consider leaving--- before that point, it isn't fair to instantly abandon the groups.

When entering Orbonne, the Echo-icon is on even before players are allowed to move around. So, when the roulette throws Ivalice-part-3 at a player, it should be the first thing to notice for everyone who did the instance 'the old way'.

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Originally Posted by MelodyCrystel

:facepalm: In case it's a regular requirement, you just need to have cleared the Ivalice-raids - no matter if that was yesterday or when they were new. (And IF the devs expect a fresh clear, then that'll be when the relic-patch is out, but I personally don't see that being a thing.)

EDIT: I still think eating the penalty isn't immediately necessary. See the first boss a ka how the alliance performs and then consider leaving--- before that point, it isn't fair to instantly abandon the groups.

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So, for anyone who isn't queuing directly for Orbonne, or the other Ivalice raids to specifically complete them for the first time, doing it again through the roulette is a pointless waste of time? Agreed.

I'd rather get into LoTA, get outta there in 15 minutes, than spend 45 minutes in some trash tier raid for the same reward. That's just me though, and I'm a realist.

I'd rather do anything in the roulette than Labyrinth or Syrcus again. They're just so friggin' boring. But that's all that comes up, so I just don't do that roulette anymore.

From a subjective viewpoint, yes please. If i never do thousand maws again it will still be too soon for me.

From an objective viewpoint, nah. I think its great that older/outdated/annoying content is added to roulettes. There are still plenty of first-timers that want to experience that content at least once or even need to, that might not have access to large FCs or statics to try out that content. Heck, i wouldnt have been able to experience some of the ARR and HW optional/end game content if it wasnt for roulettes. Matter of fact, i'm annoyed that roulettes dont seem to pick up all the old content. Ive sat in queues as a Tank for optional Extreme trials (like limitless blue) for over an hour without so much as a nibble. But i dont have an excessive friends list or a 200+ member FC to pick parties up in. How many people actually want to do sastasha? Now imagine it was only newbies that ran it? Those queue times would probably triple imo, and that would turn alot of potential future fans away.

/my2cents

EDIT: Plus, its fun imo running some of the cooler dungeons. Like somebody else said, imagine actually having fun every once in a while... (Sarcasm)

An endgame dungeon that cannot be cheesed with ridiculously high item levels? Scary, frightening even. Just the very prospect of doing that dungeon again sends shivers down my spine /s.

Don't want the ever present threat of getting Amaurot? Don't do the roulette. You only need to run Expert Roulette, which you can roll your face across the keyboard because insanely high item levels, once a day 5 times a week to cap tomestones anyway.

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Originally Posted by AnonymousBard

From a subjective viewpoint, yes please. If i never do thousand maws again it will still be too soon for me.

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The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak needs to just be completely reworked. I myself don't mind doing that dungeon but, the design of that dungeon is probably the worst out of all dungeons in the entire game. It seemingly drags on forever. The extreme linearity, more extreme than Sastasha or Copperbell Mines, adds to its feeling of absolute and abject boredom, and misery for some people. The green pools that constantly slow you are very annoying, the slow isn't too bad, but the constant "debuff" and "debuff expiring" sound effects are, I shouldn't have to mute the game in order to not go insane.

Yeah, no. Removing Amaurot and anything else related to the main story from the roulette would be insanely stupid considering players need those for their story progression. And no, they shouldn't have to play a boring single player run with npc's in an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

Don't want the ever present threat of getting Amaurot? Don't do the roulette. You only need to run Expert Roulette, which you can roll your face across the keyboard because insanely high item levels, once a day 5 times a week to cap tomestones anyway.

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Exactly. You can literally cap in a few hours or less just from spamming expert, it really isn't hard.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak needs to just be completely reworked. I myself don't mind doing that dungeon but, the design of that dungeon is probably the worst out of all dungeons in the entire game. It seemingly drags on forever. The extreme linearity, more extreme than Sastasha or Copperbell Mines, adds to its feeling of absolute and abject boredom, and misery for some people. The green pools that constantly slow you are very annoying, the slow isn't too bad, but the constant "debuff" and "debuff expiring" sound effects are, I shouldn't have to mute the game in order to not go insane.

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Not to mention that 67.4% of the time (all made-up statistics are 108.2% more amusing if arbitrarily precise to at least one decimal place) someone tears off at a sprint and the party follows, only to realize much later that in that mad dash one magitek photocell got overlooked somewhere back along the path, and so you end up having to backtrack to grab it.

Odds are I missed it, but did anyone ask OP what Roulette they are running?
Because Amaurot has been out of Expert Rotation for abit now. And I doubt Leveling is putting them there

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I'd rather do anything in the roulette than Labyrinth or Syrcus again. They're just so friggin' boring. But that's all that comes up, so I just don't do that roulette anymore.

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Missing out on some easy tomestones there captain

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Missing out on some easy tomestones there captain

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Expert gives 90 tomes per run. It's not that much more interesting, but at least I get my full skill kit. I can cap tomes in five days, even without also running Eden's Verse. Not really missing out on anything.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Odds are I missed it, but did anyone ask OP what Roulette they are running?
Because Amaurot has been out of Expert Rotation for abit now. And I doubt Leveling is putting them there

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It was Amaurot in the 80 roulette. I run all the roulettes daily mostly for gil and I do actually like the social interaction, even if nobody says anything. I just find group content fun. If I just want tomestones, I'll run with trusts or just do expert.

But lately it seems like every time I queue for the level 80 roulette, I get Amaurot. It's at least been the last four times, maybe more. I'm just tired of it, and I dislike the fact my gear is synced down to 440. I've started taking the advice from others in this thread and have just stopped queuing for 80 roulette.

And new players can run Amaurot with Trusts for the story. That's why SE made Trusts to begin with, so players can do MSQ dungeons and progress through the story without delays or stress.

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Originally Posted by Lium

It was Amaurot in the 80 roulette. I run all the roulettes daily mostly for gil and I do actually like the social interaction, even if nobody says anything. I just find group content fun. If I just want tomestones, I'll run with trusts or just do expert.

But lately it seems like every time I queue for the level 80 roulette, I get Amaurot. It's at least been the last four times, maybe more. I'm just tired of it, and I dislike the fact my gear is synced down to 440. I've started taking the advice from others in this thread and have just stopped queuing for 80 roulette.

And new players can run Amaurot with Trusts for the story. That's why SE made Trusts to begin with, so players can do MSQ dungeons and progress through the story without delays or stress.

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Didn't run a single SHb dungeon with trusts. Nice try though.

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Originally Posted by technole

Didn't run a single SHb dungeon with trusts. Nice try though.

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That's your choice. The option to use trusts is there.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Not to mention that 67.4% of the time (all made-up statistics are 108.2% more amusing if arbitrarily precise to at least one decimal place) someone tears off at a sprint and the party follows, only to realize much later that in that mad dash one magitek photocell got overlooked somewhere back along the path, and so you end up having to backtrack to grab it.

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Reminds of Halatali. Forget that one chain winch at the beginning of the dungeon and a backtrack we go.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Expert gives 90 tomes per run. It's not that much more interesting, but at least I get my full skill kit. I can cap tomes in five days, even without also running Eden's Verse. Not really missing out on anything.

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But Expert + Eden + Alliance + maybe pvp will help you cap quicker
Then thats more time in the week for other content

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

But Expert + Eden + Alliance + maybe pvp will help you cap quicker
Then thats more time in the week for other content

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PVP isn't my thing, and as I mentioned before, Crystal Tower roulette is excessively boring. Skipping it means I have more time for content I'd rather do. I'm not gonna tell you how to get your tomes, because there's a frankly silly amount of ways to do it, I'm just gonna skip the optional stuff that doesn't interest me.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You are going to sit here and tell me people actually use the alliance raid roulette for "fun"? At least copied factory gives me a token I can use to upgrade some deepshadow gear for a random alt class. Orbonne is just pointless in every way. Definitely not fun.

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Imagine not enjoy the game you play.
Yes, Orbonne is fun. Has some of the better mechanics, and I love FFT.
Basically every other Alliance Raid is dull, with Lighthouse being the next best one.
I simply won't run Alliance roulette unless there's some serious incentive, such as mog tomes and there's an Item I have to have.
But hopefully the next round of mog tomes will be on the Ivalice Raids anyway.

There needs to be a way to remove content entirely so I can only have the one instanced encounter to do over and over again with no variation, or else it's too much for me to handle!

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Originally Posted by Lium

Because I really, really, REALLY hate Amaurot. I hate running it and I get it all the time. I never want to set foot in that place again.

Ever. Seriously.

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If you aren't willing to run ANY duty in a roulette then don't queue for it. Go to the other tab and pick the one you want to do.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

PVP isn't my thing, and as I mentioned before, Crystal Tower roulette is excessively boring. Skipping it means I have more time for content I'd rather do. I'm not gonna tell you how to get your tomes, because there's a frankly silly amount of ways to do it, I'm just gonna skip the optional stuff that doesn't interest me.

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Lol its up to you have you get your tomes per week.
I personally like to get it asap so I dont have to worry about it later. Then the last 5 days I can spend doing other stuff. :)