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Originally Posted by Zaphod

You both seem like intelligent people. You shouldn't be arguing. I don't think Xoo's criticizing the game Char, she just misses FFXI. Don't feel offended.
http://www.cracked.com/article_19468...you-think.html
Specifically, #5.

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That link was actually quite interesting, thanks!

Awesome, I'm glad someone else found that interesting. Love cracked.

As to your original post, whenever I miss FFXI, I just Youtube the ole' West Sarutabaruta theme.
It's funny, now that I'm a grown-up, I'm /amazed by the sheer volume of hours I spent in Vana'diel.. But somehow it makes me sad knowing that people can level up jobs so quickly now. I just remember that feeling of having reached Lv. 30 for the first time. Funny, It doesn't even affect me. I wouldn't do it again, yet it still feels wrong. Talk about flawed logic! ;)

When I could finallly hit 20 and could finally shout for someone in the dunes to guide me to Jueno. Was a fun run, and running through the cave in Qufim lol.

Oh my gosh, Matt, those effin' sand bats!! And yeah, that run to Jeuno, I remember actually breaking a sweat. And then you get to the city, the Final Fantasy equivalent of what I'd imagine the first steps on an Ivy League campus must feel like.. I loved Jeuno. I felt so cool. /shame

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Originally Posted by Zaphod

Awesome, I'm glad someone else found that interesting. Love cracked.

As to your original post, whenever I miss FFXI, I just Youtube the ole' West Sarutabaruta theme.
It's funny, now that I'm a grown-up, I'm /amazed by the sheer volume of hours I spent in Vana'diel.. But somehow it makes me sad knowing that people can level up jobs so quickly now. I just remember that feeling of having reached Lv. 30 for the first time. Funny, It doesn't even affect me. I wouldn't do it again, yet it still feels wrong. Talk about flawed logic! ;)

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I'm sure the difference you feel is knowing you were doing something worthwhile because it actually was difficult.

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Originally Posted by Zaphod

Oh my gosh, Matt, those effin' sand bats!! And yeah, that run to Jeuno, I remember actually breaking a sweat. And then you get to the city, the Final Fantasy equivalent of what I'd imagine the first steps on an Ivy League campus must feel like.. I loved Jeuno. I felt so cool. /shame

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I remember having to find a way around those stupid bats in the cave near the very first EXP camp in Valkurm Dunes. Nostalgia +1.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

I remember having to find a way around those stupid bats in the cave near the very first EXP camp in Valkurm Dunes. Nostalgia +1.

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And then there was that walk of shame all the way to La Theine Plateau with two sand bats and a Goblin Leecher behind you. And that moment of triumph when you'd zone on the next screen with like, 14 hit points left. Nostalgia +2.

I remember being trapped on the other side of the bat cave for 2 days straight. My HP was set at the craig I braved the dunes to get, which at lvl.9 was a completely unnecessary act in hind sight. 7 hours of my life standing there pleading and begging the unseen powers that some PT would happen by and kill them for me or some high level would have mercy and clear the path. At one point I AFK'd to take a must required bathroom break and when I came back I noticed in the chat log someone had stopped an asked why I was just standing there and if I needed help to get through. I flew to the /tell command to reach out to my salvation. A few minutes later he showed up having turned back from RONFAURE and guided me through safely back to Sandy.


Gave me a link pearl. The same one I was in 3 years later when I was traveling through that white hot hellhole to catch a boat when I saw a Mithra just sitting in the sand staring at the same cave lol Helping her through that 20 seconds of aggro noob seeking cave of death felt better then getting my relic cape to drop.

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Seriously, i stand by my argument. Level 50 is like level 37 in FFXI,
and you're not going to see any really epic things until 2.0
At least the second part is a fact. The first is just some simple math if the eventual cap is as has been stated numerous times, 99.

Speaking of tunnels...

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There is nothing difficult about FFXI now. You can solo farm in dynamis, get Lv99 in a day or two. The only difficult activity I can think of in FFXI is time consuming activities like the upgrading weapons trial quest. Even doing that takes less than a month tops with friends. I know, because I made the Lv90 sword Almace, with the help of my friends.


Lv50 now in FFXIV is just the middle mark, it just need more content.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

You can also complete AF quest fine in 2 days at FFXI considerin you have help. You won't be able to complete all AF quest in 2 days on FFXIV too if you do not have any help.

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Funny thing is....

I found AF a lot easier in XI than in this.

Edit: Some of them, anyway.

Wow, just wow.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

...with an ever-growing urge to just return to FFXI, get a much-needed nostalgia fix, and play all the jobs I used to love from Lv1 solo. This, just before I log out of MMORPG's for the last time. /melodrama.

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There is a dedicated FFXI official forum you know. Perhaps this would be best posted there.

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FFXIV, to me, just keeps becoming more restrictive, blurred, and just down-right not fun.

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This is mind blowing. Your entire post is about how FFXI is a "man's game" and how it was full of "challenges" and "difficulty." All FFXI ever was and still is, was just a giant time sink of masochistic restriction after masochistic restriction. To say FFXIV is RESTRICTIVE is a great dishonor to the game. The game has become increasingly LESS restrictive (which is a GOOD thing). Any class can participate in any content, and you have a wide range of areas and options to level up, which is soon to increase even more with Hamlet defense. XI was nothing but restrictive and full of giant wastes of time. To see you calling XIV "restrictive" is just calling yourself a huge hypocrite, especially if you're lauding XI as exciting or fun.

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I actually think I had more fun with the battle system as it was near release than the way it stands today.

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I have no words for this. You probably don't deserve to post on the forums if you think this system was fun, exciting, innovative, or any praiseworthy words. I am just floored by this statement. Quite possibly the most obscene thing I have ever read on these forums.

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SE has gone overboard with Easy Mode in the form of Combos - with bright flashing circles that scream, "Click me to not suck"!! And I have every reason to believe it's just going to get worse.

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If you follow these combos with a mage everytime, you will suck. Just because they are highlighted doesn't mean it is the appropriate action to use. You clearly don't know how to play if you don't understand this. The combos themselves are lack luster however, which is something I will agree with.

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I don't want what FFXIV is now and what is apparently going to grow up to be: Beyond Casual - A slacker's game made for slackers. It's really heartbreaking to think of all this game could have been, but I suppose it just makes better sense to milk the cow and market the milk.

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You're ignorant if you cannot see that this game has both casual and "hardcore" content. God forbid SE actually wants us to have fun in this, rather than punishment after punishment ala XI.

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World of Warcraft, may you rot and burn in Hell.

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Yes, god forbid WoW for RAISING people's MMO standards to where "fun, exciting, and challenging," actually meant "fun, exciting, and challenging," all while keeping a wide variety of players happy and content.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

I disagree and i'ma flame the OP.

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The thread is to the point of people just reminiscing and you need to be a jackass? I'm sorry you didn't like XI, but you shouldn't be able to defend XIV as it stands now. Maybe after 2.0. Its fine to disagree with someone's thoughts, but all you did was attack and name call without being provoked in the slightest. If you got called out, insulted, ignored, or ANYTHING then I could see your attitude, but you weren't. If you are just lookin to start an arguement in here that you could already find elsewhere, then my apologies, feel free to make yourself look like a jerk. If all XI is was masochism then gtfo and leave us sadists to remember the times fondly.

Edit: PS; I believe you meant XI was sadistic and we the players were masochistic. I just remarked sadist to conform to your description of XI.

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Originally Posted by Answa

I think you're overreacting.

FFXI didn't really have any difficulty to it. It just took fucking forever to get anything done. Or to wait for an NM to pop so that some other team would claim it. Or to wait 72 hours to be able to go to Dynamis again so that your relic armor doesn't drop. I could go on.

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lol did you play CoP before the nerf that? That shit was almost impossible and when you beat it you felt awesome and accomplished. and ou got a badass ring that lasted even when cap was 90. It sucked that they made cop so easy they everyone had them and didnt feel special after all the hard work now that some Abyssea burned asshole can solo CoP.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

Yes, god forbid WoW for RAISING people's MMO standards to where "fun, exciting, and challenging," actually meant "fun, exciting, and challenging," all while keeping a wide variety of players happy and content.

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You were on a roll, Tibian, and then you had to go and do this. You know, I'm sure somewhere there's a WoW forum where this comment would be better suited; A place where my eyes would never have to read such horrid blasphemy.

And, it's okay Peptaru, he's only responding to my opinions as if they were facts that he must vehemently defend.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

You were on a roll, Tibian, and then you had to go and do this. You know, I'm sure somewhere there's a WoW forum where this comment would be better suited; A place where my eyes would never have to read such horrid blasphemy.

And, it's okay Peptaru, he's only responding to my opinions as if they were facts that he must vehemently defend.

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He is correct (although I am ashamed to admit it).
WoW has set the current bar for mos, it must be fun, exciting and challenging or so many ppl would not be playing it. It has smashed every other mmo ever in existence for subscribers think.

*shakes head is disgust* and all with horrible scooby doo graphics too.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

The thread is to the point of people just reminiscing and you need to be a jackass? I'm sorry you didn't like XI, but you shouldn't be able to defend XIV as it stands now. Maybe after 2.0. Its fine to disagree with someone's thoughts, but all you did was attack and name call without being provoked in the slightest. If you got called out, insulted, ignored, or ANYTHING then I could see your attitude, but you weren't. If you are just lookin to start an arguement in here that you could already find elsewhere, then my apologies, feel free to make yourself look like a jerk. If all XI is was masochism then gtfo and leave us sadists to remember the times fondly.

Edit: PS; I believe you meant XI was sadistic and we the players were masochistic. I just remarked sadist to conform to your description of XI.

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The purpose of my post is to voice an opposing side to XI loyalists. I do not want to see XI's masochistic tendencies in 2.0 at all, even in the slightest form.

The OP is clearly deluded by his or her nostalgia for XI and claims XIV is bad because it isn't taking the antiquated concepts from XI and implementing them.

It is also very RARE that you see any of my posts defending XIV, because I in fact think the game is still in a very sour state and will continue to be until 2.0. With that being said, the current state of XIV is by far, more enjoyable to me than XI ever was due to its non-masochistic concepts.

Did XI do some correct things? Certainly, but the OP does not mention those concepts and instead focuses on what I consider the worst part of XI -- the mind numbing, persistent, body aching grind of time and monotony, and then wants to see it directly in XIV. So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics are a good idea.

Please express opinions all you want, but all you did was call the person many names for having a differing opinion while expressing your own that they may or may not agree with. Its not what you said, its how you said it. Name calling is stpuid, this post of yours is written in a much better way, save for saying the OP is deluded instead of the OP's memories are deluded. That's a small thing, though.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

It's all about what I personally enjoyed and preferred. Challenge it may not necessarily have had, but if XI was easy, then this game is for mongoloids. No offense to any mongoloids in the community.

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I think my main problem with this game right now is the lack of variety the new jobs offer. I mean, if you take a look at bard for example, by the time you got bard to level 50 in FFXI,you had a slew of songs and ways to caste them at your disposal. Now, I get that some of them were kinda useless, and I also get that jobs arent meant to be their own thing, but rather a much more narrow version of the class they come from. But to me (cue my opinion) the jobs right now don't cut it. They are simply a few extra skills and a way to wear af on a class. When i see others play bard, I dont see a bard, I see an archer with some bard abilites (5 to be exact, which is pathetic). All of the jobs feel this way to me right now. I get that they will add to them in the future but, for those of us playing right now that have been waiting for a while for this, its kind of a let down.

Sorry to rant all over you OP Xoo, but you started it with your crazy FFXI nostalgia :p

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Originally Posted by Tibian

The OP is clearly deluded by his or her nostalgia for XI and claims XIV is bad because it isn't taking the antiquated concepts from XI and implementing them.

It is also very RARE that you see any of my posts defending XIV, because I in fact think the game is still in a very sour state and will continue to be until 2.0. With that being said, the current state of XIV is by far, more enjoyable to me than XI ever was due to its non-masochistic concepts.

Did XI do some correct things? Certainly, but the OP does not mention those concepts and instead focuses on what I consider the worst part of XI -- the mind numbing, persistent, body aching grind of time and monotony, and then wants to see it directly in XIV. So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics is a good idea.

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Good gameplay is antiquated? Man, if that ain't the truth. You say XIV is "still in a very sour state", yet you play it, and then have the audacity to come down on those 'FFXI masochists'? Hah. Hey, if WoW was such a great game, go back to it? Apparently both XIV and XI aren't up to your high standards... lol.

How am I to point out things you favored in a game you say you didn't even like? Your last paragraph begins with nonsense, immediately followed by blatant lies (I never mentioned grinding at all - you just threw that in there for some generic XI bashing), only to end up pulling random, imaginary people and a large percentage of their imaginary opinion out of thin air to support your claims.

I appreciate your attempt, but honestly Tibian, you make a very poor case for your argument.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Good gameplay is antiquated?
Man, if that ain't the truth. You say XIV is "still in a very sour state", yet you play it, and then have the audacity to come down on those 'FFXI masochists'?

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Unbeknownst to you, I was not registered when subscriptions went into play because I did not think the game was fit to play. The only reason why I am subscribed right now is because I wanted to leave the server I was on for a more English populated server, my decision has been a very good one.

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Hah. Hey, if WoW was such a great game, go back to it? Apparently both XIV and XI aren't up to your high standards... lol.

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I am concurrently subscribed to WoW. After this patch and mergers I have enjoyed XIV to the point where I may still stay subscribed. 2.0 has much promise, and the development of XIV has certainly been a miraculous turn of events as far as "failed MMOs" come. I am willing to give games second chances if they improve, XIV certainly has.

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How am I to point out things you favored in a game you say you didn't even like?

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You don't have to. You pointed out the things I have no desire to see in XIV, so I voiced my opinions against yours.

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only to end up pulling random, imaginary people and a large percentage of their imaginary opinion out of thin air to support his claims.

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Please learn to read sufficiently.
I'll requote just to give you another chance.

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So yes, I will be loud, critical, and very adamant against most of what the OP has to say in hopes that the CR team does see that people (such as myself) dislike 70% or more of what XI stood for and do not think that implemented XI mechanics is a good idea.

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No where did I mention a false percentage of "people." 70% is what I attribute to the majority of the game that I think is garbage. I did not state anything about a false percentage of "people".

i want to sympathize with you in this thread, op, but your gross lack of game experience makes me seriously doubt your clout as a character witness.

whether the game is easy or not (and it is- though you miss the mark on why), how do you even know? how could you begin to?

lol, oh well. moving on then.

I dont know what you all smokes about FFXI, WOW, SWTOR, or any MMOs, IMHO for me after playing years with RO, Lineage, Lineage2, GW, WoW, SWTOR, i feel so refresh with FFXIV and the communities i play with. There are always some jackass in any MMOs i played but for me, i've been loging in more and more into FFXIV :3

Hell who cares what says about other games, they are old and getting the old vibes, let's memories be memories mate, other games are good at their own pace, even FFXI which i never really played before(Have the urge to try it out, but the billing system that time suck so bad it didnt let me play).

Each game to their own taste, leave FFXIV alone will you! >:O

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Originally Posted by fusional

i want to sympathize with you in this thread, op, but your gross lack of game experience makes me seriously doubt your clout as a character witness.

whether the game is easy or not (and it is- though you miss the mark on why), how do you even know? how could you begin to?

lol, oh well. moving on then.

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I have seen this stance taken by so many on these forums. What then would you classify as an acceptable level of experience one would need then to have an opinion about the game? Should I go out and level all my jobs to 50? Say I did that, and made a comment; some douche would then just say "well yeah but your haven't done the dungeons yet". So then say I did that as well. I would then have some asshat say I didn't know what I was talking about until I had completed all the achievments. We could play this retarded nitpicking game all day actually, but the fact remains people like that will never be satisfied with other opinions that don't mesh with theirs mostly because they are too stupid to grasp the concept of what an opinion actually is. I could play this game for all of 35 seconds and decide it sucks with zero basis for my argument besides not liking the character models, and it would still form a sound opinion because opinions are like assholes Fusional, whether you like it or not, best to just accept it and move on.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

What then would you classify as an acceptable level of experience one would need then to have an opinion about the game?

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do you think healing in a leveling party is the same as healing moogle? do you think dpsing in a leveling party or in solo leves is the same as dpsing in AV? for that matter, do you think doing anything in darkhold is the same as in CC? are ifrit and moogle the same? are av and cc the same? do you think dh and av/cc are the same? do you think because you've fought ifrit you could oneshot moogle? do you think because you beat batraal you could faceroll through av speed clears?

the point is- i take this stance because i get tired of people experiencing a very finite section of a game and assuming they can make a 100% accurate judgment about everything else in the game as a result. it's absolutely stupid, for the same reason it's stupid when people start playing WoW and get run through wailing caverns for the first time then assume every endgame raid is that way.

speaking from experience is fine, as long as you speak about that which you actually have experience with. if you don't have experience with something, either don't address it or do so prefaced with "i haven't actually done this, but my assumption is _______" so it's very clear you're contributing your largely baseless opinion.

and opinions are fine. we can have those. we can share those. i'm just saying- having an opinion on Simurgh, whether valid or not, doesn't mean you have a valid opinion on King Behemoth. if you've experienced both, though, and want to share your opinions on either or both- fine. completely and totally fine.

but that's not what people are doing, and it's dumb, and i take issue with that.

I never understand why people come into threads about opinions and start attacking them.
You won't change someone's mind.. Their opinion is their opinion.
There's no need to come raging into a thread going on and on about how "wrong" someone's opinion is and name-calling/throwing around insults. Accept that you don't agree. No need to get all aggressive. It just doesn't make sense. State yours if you will, but there's no reason to argue.

Man if I argued with every person I disagreed with I would be arguing with every person in the world.
Accept that everyone is different and thinks differently. Agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

I never understand why people come into threads about opinions and start attacking them.
You won't change someone's mind.. Their opinion is their opinion.

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i'm not raging about anything. i'm simply pointing out that if you have an opinion about something that you've never experienced, that's cool- but it's absolutely meaningless. go ahead and tell me whatever you think about neuroscience, but i'll trust the experts.

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"I think sexual pleasure it's over rated"

I wouldn't compare FF14 with FF11, talking about dificulty, content etc, when FF14 is not even finished yet. I understand the nostalgia and even feel it too sometimes, but you can't just compare an unfinished game with a finished one and with many expansions running for years. Yes, FF14 failed at launch. Yes, it still fails at some aspects and has a lot to do still. But Yoshi-P could easily have closed all servers and redo the game and open again for 2.0. But he left servers open and running, started to charge a monthly fee which isn't even the one planned, so we could still be here while he fixes everything. He even listens to the community when things are not working as planned or should be changed.
In my opinion, things are now as they are (easy, not much time needed etc) so we can enjoy on a short run what there is to offer, have some easy fun, don't break our heads with 18man battles, until everything is done for 2.0.

Once the new game is out, then we might be able to compare it with another finished game, and once it has been out for years, with the likes. Until then, you have nostalgia? I have it too, I spent amazing years back in Vanadiel, and if a conversation comes up, I will always remember my newb days running from the orcs and getting killed by a ram on the way to Valkurm. But I will give this one a chance, and start comparing once it's finished.

Kinda late, but:

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Dude, seriously. I used to play 10hrs. each and every day (except weekends) until about 3 weeks before 1.21 when I finally got back to work. However, now I work 52hrs. per week and odd shifts. I don't have the time anymore. I never finished Darkhold (after my reroll) because nobody was doing it and I was leaving it until that random opportunity came along.

Any more of my personal life you'd like divulged to satisfy your bloodthirst? I really don't care what you think of me, Signore. Really don't.

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You're that busy, yet you want to ditch FFXIV to play FFXI? Which is way more time consuming than FFXIV?

Just curious. Really.

QQ boo hoo QQ

I agree though if you miss FF11 that much you should go and play that instead, this will never be anything like FF11 and that I am thankful of.

/cheers for WoW

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Originally Posted by Xoo

A better point, as far as difficulty, would be to ask: Did you cap all your battlecraft jobs in 2 months? Did you cap every class in the game in 5 months or less? Did you complete all the AF quests in 2 days or less?

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Nope I did not but if you look at my sig, I haven't capped the same in 18 months playing this game either.

Some people just spend 10 hours a day levelling classes and then complain that there is nothing to do and that everything is easy, well you need to pace yourself sir.

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Originally Posted by ArnoMorley

FFXI was difficult on it's own, I saw full alliances wipe on gods back in 2009. XI was difficult and time consuming, in spite of what seem people seem to believe time consumption is a good thing, it keeps you from burning through the entire game's content in 5 minutes. People were getting all AF sets in 2 days, that's ridiculous.

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Yup and others are taking months (100+ fights) to get 7/7 on Ifrit, some have gone 100+ and still not got the weapon they want.

Sounds like a bad case of picky choosy and tunnel vision if you ask me.

Lets not forget here also that Job and AF quests were tuned for the respective level of the quest, we are all lvl 50 and steam rolled thought it, again I'll just pick out the stuff that makes my argument work kind of mentality.

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Originally Posted by Stanislaw

You're that busy, yet you want to ditch FFXIV to play FFXI? Which is way more time consuming than FFXIV?

Just curious. Really.

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I believe the first sentence of the OP says something to the effect of, "I'll go back to FFXI and play all the jobs I used to love from Lv1 solo".

Solo means I can play at my own pace. :)

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Originally Posted by fusional

i want to sympathize with you in this thread, op, but your gross lack of game experience makes me seriously doubt your clout as a character witness.

whether the game is easy or not (and it is- though you miss the mark on why), how do you even know? how could you begin to?

lol, oh well. moving on then.

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Hello Verily,

Now that that's outta the way...

Are you to tell me that you don't, and therefore nobody, can form an honest and experienced opinion about a particular subject after being exposed to it for an average of 40hrs. per week during a 18-month span? Sorry, some of us aren't that slow.

/picks up a stone, lurches backward and hurls it at the world's population, amazingly, hitting Verily himself/herself square between the eyes.

I have to agree with what others have said in that most of the difficulty in XI came from unfun game mechanics such as long pop timers/lockouts, low drop rates, and a lack of instancing. I would prefer more character customization but I think combat is in a good spot right now. I think that the "click me to not suck" reaction abilities blinking when they are available is actually a good thing because you have a lot of skill options and they have small windows of availability. FFXIV after all the recent patches is really moving in a good direction and I think Yoshi-P knows what he's doing with them game.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Which is the bigger picture I'm getting at - FFXIV is neither challenging nor time-consuming.

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Ooohh I found your problem by checking your lodestone profile. It seems you have a lack of completion of any remotely difficult content, a common problem. No mog... No Cutters Cry.

I'm not saying the game is super hard. I am saying your opinion as an uninformed one and you seem to think time sink = difficulty. Oh, i went 1/1 on each Maat fight btw. I was suprised you stated that as a difficulty in ffxi. Good luck in the future.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

/picks up a stone, lurches backward and hurls it at the world's population, amazingly, hitting Verily himself/herself square between the eyes.

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That's just mean .. :(

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Originally Posted by Destain

Ooohh I found your problem by checking your lodestone profile. It seems you have a lack of completion of any remotely difficult content, a common problem. No mog... No Cutters Cry.

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On that char ... that person is not me and I am not them, but I did look it up on the lodestone, read the blog ...

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Originally Posted by Destain

I'm not saying the game is super hard. I am saying your opinion as an uninformed one and you seem to think time sink = difficulty.

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I've remade my chars(2) over and over ever time I leave and come back after what I believe will be a significant patch. That doesn't mean I don't have experience in things, it means that on the 1 char your seeing on the lodestone I don't show much. Yeah I played from beta on, pre-ordered CE and played from it's launch date, but I quit after 2 months because it was garbage and not shaping up fast enough for me to waste more time on it in that state.
After a number of patches I returned, think it was for the one that introduced the much needed auto-attack. I started over from scratch but XI was still my primary time sink and this still didn't warrant a change. Que > quit > return in 3 months > restart.
All told ~8 months play time yet not 1 50job, not 1 significant Dungeon, and few achievements, and if/when I get sick of some of the broken mechanics present now I'll quit again and return after yet another patch to start over again.

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Oh, i went 1/1 on each Maat fight btw. I was suprised you stated that as a difficulty in ffxi. Good luck in the future.

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Really, how long did you sit outside Jeuno spamming for skillups? Scripted or did you actually do it yourself? The first time I ran for Maat (~2004) it was a pure massacre and I can't remember anyone back then or up until Aby that can say they didn't get raped their first time through. Well can say it, but really ...

The simple fact in all of this is that most people share the opinion that this game is still very weak-sauce, it is improving, and needs to continue to improve, we all seem to agree on that so why are we all attacking each other and ranting?

WoW set a standard by attracting 9~12 year olds, that were super impressionable and imprinted on WoW like a bird just coming out of it's shell. I say this not to be a dick but because a friend 9yr old had ~15 friends in school that played w/ all their friends and she refused to let him play. Seriously whole servers of pre-teens ...
FFXI was for adults, FFXIV tried (and failed) to combine grindcore players with softcore players.
I miss my menus, I want to have all 6 elements at my disposal on BLM both single target and AoE for each that are useful. I want to have 22 WSs on DD jobs. I want to have 90 spells at my disposal if I'm on a mage job. The reason WoW and it's clones have such limited numbers of skills is because children struggle to remember that the ones they can't see in from of them are still there.

Before anyone rants about my exp. Yes I've played WoW, Rift, LotR, Lineage2, Beta'd GW, STO, and quite obviously FFXI and FFXIV. This is the only thought non-team-skill(meaning my skills open weaknesses for yours, skillchains, magic bursts, etc.), action bar, mash 1~= and you WILL win (seriously even should you die you get back up and still win) more often than not game that I continue to play, because I believe it has potential and I'll always give SE a fair shake, since somewhere ~1995/6 when I played Mystic Quest which was simply atrocious.

I don't remember even getting 1 full set of AF in XI in a day, and if you were doing it when it was level appropriate it took a full party to farm keys ...

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Originally Posted by Destain

Ooohh I found your problem by checking your lodestone profile. It seems you have a lack of completion of any remotely difficult content, a common problem. No mog... No Cutters Cry.

I'm not saying the game is super hard. I am saying your opinion as an uninformed one and you seem to think time sink = difficulty. Oh, i went 1/1 on each Maat fight btw. I was suprised you stated that as a difficulty in ffxi. Good luck in the future.

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Wait, Moogle/AV/CC are difficult now? About as much as Ifrit, before the vids, I presume. You folks are starving for an argument if you're going to persist with this belief that one hasn't played FFXIV until one clears the aforementioned content. Ridiculous.

And, I never said anything about Maat. Sheesh.