Am I missing something, or are Dark Knights just terrible?

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DRK sucks leveling.
DRK is strong currently in the raids in magical focused TBs and especially in TEA DRK is the best tank with 50% of the fight it doe more damage than all other tanks due to having the best multi-target damage output.
That being said, yes, Living Dead still sucks, and the sky is blue.

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Originally Posted by Tranquilmelody7

Ideally, invulnerability skills should never be used as 'OH SHIT' buttons, and DRK just so happens to have the only Tank invulnerability that's so bad that you want to strive to avoid even planning for it in most situations.

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Wait, what? Says who? I use LD all the time in a variety of groups. Simply letting the healer know before hand is all that's required. Same with Superbolide.

While DRK isn't the most interesting experience in leveling content I'd say calling it terrible is quite far from the truth. We got through all of the leveling content when shadow wall was a 3 minute cooldown, reprisal was single target and we didn't have arm's length. If we were still talking of having nothing but Rampart and Shadow wall for the mostly physical mobs of dungeons I'd get behind this but we have 2 more role action cooldowns for mobs now.

The AOE is different but it's completely free and spammable. Yes, the second AOE at 72 turns DRKs AOE into black magic with mana and blood generation but spamming 150 potency Unleash and throwing a few 300 potency ocgd floods in there before that level is far from terrible. Remember what we used to do in content below old Abyssal drain? Some 50 potency unleashes, 1 drk passenger for 140/280 potency depending on DA and then single target.

Enemies in leveling content are dying much faster now while you have more mitigations than you used to. Just to repeat it: DRK might not be the best tank in leveling content but terrible? No, just no.

Until just this morning I would have said it's just you, but I have been leveling GNB on another server the last few weeks.

I did a leveling roulette this morning as DRK on my main, was in Shisui, and all I could think the entire time was "I HAVE NO MORE COOLDOWNS TO USE, BECAUSE DARK MIND IS NOT GOING TO HELP AND I DON'T HAVE TBN YET" repeatedly. It really felt like the lack of the two extra physical cooldowns was a major hindrance. I felt bad for my healer.

Now, I've been playing DRK since HW dropped, and this is the first time I had this particular feeling. Before it was always something more akin to "BWUAHAHAHA PULL AND KILL EVERYTHING I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU". Actually putting more time into a different tank made some of the pre-70 issues more painfully obvious.

DRK doesn't feel terrible for lack of mitigation for me, but rather the lack of identity, monotonous new Delirium mechanic, everything feeling like it's built around TBN, abyssal drain being nerfed into the ground... etc. It doesn't feel dynamic anymore, you're just a literal meat shield.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

Until just this morning I would have said it's just you, but I have been leveling GNB on another server the last few weeks.

I did a leveling roulette this morning as DRK on my main, was in Shisui, and all I could think the entire time was "I HAVE NO MORE COOLDOWNS TO USE, BECAUSE DARK MIND IS NOT GOING TO HELP AND I DON'T HAVE TBN YET" repeatedly. It really felt like the lack of the two extra physical cooldowns was a major hindrance. I felt bad for my healer.

Now, I've been playing DRK since HW dropped, and this is the first time I had this particular feeling. Before it was always something more akin to "BWUAHAHAHA PULL AND KILL EVERYTHING I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU". Actually putting more time into a different tank made some of the pre-70 issues more painfully obvious.

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The loss of the Quietus/Blood Price/DA+AB feedback loop makes big pulls during sub-70 dungeons a bit more challenging than it used to be. Even after the MP gain on BP was nerfed, it was still enough in a large pull to self-sustain via DA+AB combined with the MP gain on Quietus. I really miss Blood Price sometimes.

They should make "living dead" a passive ability. It gets activated at 1% health or on the verge of being KO'd, the ability will have a cool down for 6 mins.

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Originally Posted by Zol_blade

They should make "living dead" a passive ability. It gets activated at 1% health or on the verge of being KO'd, the ability will have a cool down for 6 mins.

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Why would you want to nerf living dead?

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Originally Posted by Hierro

Why would you want to nerf living dead?

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Well, I don't...it's just that...it sucks :/

what if while we are under the "walking dead" status we could push the living dead key again to heal ourselves 100% of our hp at the cost of putting living dead into a 7 min cooldown?

That way we could use ld every 5 min as always and if worse comes to worse we could up ourselves but with a big cost of +2 min cd.

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Originally Posted by Quor

The loss of the Quietus/Blood Price/DA+AB feedback loop makes big pulls during sub-70 dungeons a bit more challenging than it used to be. Even after the MP gain on BP was nerfed, it was still enough in a large pull to self-sustain via DA+AB combined with the MP gain on Quietus. I really miss Blood Price sometimes.

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Popping Blood Price and spamming Dark Arts and Abyssal Drain into giant packs of enemies was one of the things I loved the most about DRK. :(

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Originally Posted by PeacefulEdge

what if while we are under the "walking dead" status we could push the living dead key again to heal ourselves 100% of our hp at the cost of putting living dead into a 7 min cooldown?

That way we could use ld every 5 min as always and if worse comes to worse we could up ourselves but with a big cost of +2 min cd.

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Just give DRK mad Lifesteal after getting Walking Dead Status.

Not to the point a DRK can heal themselves up to full but enough to make it easier on the healers.

In my opinion, TBN is not as OP in large trash pulls as some people in this thread claim it to be. Sure you can use it often, but in large trash pulls it gets broken so fast that you are still losing health at an extremely rapid pace and will die if your healer isn't very good at healing. TBN consumes a whopping 3000 mp, feeds a resource for the DRK by breaking, which is a level of resource management none of the other tanks even need to deal with. You can't spam TBN as it's on a short cooldown and consumes a ton of MP. How does DRK regain MP? Do your AOE combo on pack of mobs. Does your AOE combo have self-heal? NOPE. Only your single-target combo has that. Are you going to be single-target attacking when you have pulled a large pack of mobs? You'd be an idiot if you were. Oh, and don't forget to keep your Darkness gauge up (more gauge-watching busy-work).

If your healer isn't that good at healing, your MP gain through AOE is going to be too slow to keep up with TBN spam, of which breaks almost immediately and offers very little reprieve from damage, and you aren't even self-healing in the process because you've locked yourself usually in the AOE rotation. In contrast, one Clemency on yourself as PLD and 50% of your life is immediately filled. You can do this multiple times in a mob pull giving everyone around you far more time to AOE kill the mobs. Sure it forces you to stop doing DPS but a dead Tank does zero-DPS and zero aggro, so I think it's a fair trade-off.

In my personal experience, DRK is far more reliant on other team members to stay alive than PLD. I personally do not like that. THis is my biggest gripe against DRK. DRK is absolutely, hands-down amazing in a great party that works together and all are mid to high-level players. Not as much in low-skill level parties. Don't even get me started on Living Dead (DRK tank buster defense) which pretty much requires a healer to be around and watching you like a hawk. SO stupid.

DRK's have Delirium > Quietus spam for groups, which is fun to watch. But PLD's have Requiescat > Holy Circle which is basically the same type of spam, even if it damages a bit less.

OP, take all opinions here (including mine) with a grain of salt. The majority of people in this thread only play with friends or a dedicated group (often end-game Static). They are giving you their biased opinion from that viewpoint of always playing in a coordinated, well-honed party. Very few people on this forum will be giving you an opinion based on being in crappy PUG roulette groups which, if you're anything like me, will be the vast majority of your groups.

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

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you asume to much, ppl playing DRK better that you and don't having the amount of problems you seems to have doesn't mean they are playing with pro friends, no offense but the amount of problems you seems to have and remark in every post is very suspicious.

btw requiem cast window does more damage that delirium.

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Originally Posted by shao32

you asume to much, ppl playing DRK better that you and don't having the amount of problems you seems to have doesn't mean they are playing with pro friendss

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Except, I never said they were all "Pro". I literally said most people play in a dedicated friend group, and that DRK is amazing in mid to high-level groups. "Mid" does not equal "Pro". See my quoted text below, literally taken from the post you are directly replying to. Also, every poll ever conducted on Reddit and the forums say the vast majority of people group with their FC or friends on a regular basis. People playing this game solo, only pugging content are the minority. But thanks for turning my argument into something I did not say.

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

DRK is absolutely, hands-down amazing in a great party that works together and all are mid to high-level players.

The majority of people in this thread only play with friends or a dedicated group (often end-game Static).

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Originally Posted by shao32

no offense but the amount of problems you seems to have and remark in every post is very suspicious.

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Two threads about DRK today and one thread a month ago is suspicious?!? I'll keep that in mind next time. :rolls eyes: I enjoy giving my opinion on comparing PLD vs DRK. Very few other posts in this forum interest me. That's not suspicious at all. Not everybody is here to pad their post count on as many threads as possible.

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Originally Posted by shao32

btw requiem cast window does more damage that delirium.

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Nice! Even more reason to choose PLD over DRK. :)

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Originally Posted by shao32

you asume to much, ppl playing DRK better that you and don't having the amount of problems you seems to have doesn't mean they are playing with pro friends, no offense but the amount of problems you seems to have and remark in every post is very suspicious.

btw requiem cast window does more damage that delirium.

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people already say dark knight has a low skill ceiling,

tbh, i dont think its possible to be good at dark knight or any other tank thats not paladin, its either ur really good BUT ur class is easy so ur actually not, or your really bad BUT the class is not good so its not ur fault like if these forums are anything to go by its not possible 2 b a good tank

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

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look the thing is tanks have to much mitigation right now, DRK don't fall behind anyone, with rampart 20s, shadow wall 15s, arm's lenght 6/15s, reprisal 10s and TBN negating a good chung of damage every 15s it's imposible to strugle even with bad healers and i can tell you by my experience with pugs since i meet every type of healer in this game over 6 years playing that DRK don't strugle with bad players if you know what are you doing even on mass pulling.

what i mean with supicious is by what you tell us you seems to don't know how to play properly and i don't telling you this to criticize you in a bad way bcs you are claiming DRK is bad with lower skill level partys when is not true and i can tell you DRK is a wall if you play it properly something is not hard to do.

it's fine to have you own opinion but that doesn't mean a job or whatever is bad bcs you own experience and say the rest of the players here play with friends bcs they seems to don't have you problems, meaby it's time to start thinking that you don't play DRK properly instead of say things like this:

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

OP, take all opinions here (including mine) with a grain of salt. The majority of people in this thread only play with friends or a dedicated group (often end-game Static). They are giving you their biased opinion from that viewpoint of always playing in a coordinated, well-honed party. Very few people on this forum will be giving you an opinion based on being in crappy PUG roulette groups which, if you're anything like me, will be the vast majority of your groups.

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Originally Posted by John_Milter

people already say dark knight has a low skill ceiling,

tbh, i dont think its possible to be good at dark knight or any other tank thats not paladin, its either ur really good BUT ur class is easy so ur actually not, or your really bad BUT the class is not good so its not ur fault like if these forums are anything to go by its not possible 2 b a good tank

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DRK is a low skill ceiling job, with WAR are the most brain deads jobs of the game when you understand how to play them.

if you do you dps rotation and aoe rotatio + manage properly you defensive kit and play the boss mechanics properly you are a good tank on my diccionary, wipes don't make you a bad tank since can happen for many reasons and save a run doenst make you a good tank unless you are doing the first thing i say for me.

If I'm being honest, DRK doesn't seem to be in a bad place like in SB. While players who are new to DRK, and others, may love it, I just can't get there. I'm nostalgic for a return to HW DRK style play with an AoE loop reminiscent of SB. The skill ceiling is too low. There is no real joy in "getting it right" bcs it's so easy. I don't think the removal of tank stance really made a huge difference in that. There is no depth.

Side note that mitigation is great, and drk has a chunk of it, but does the extra mitigation make a difference in most cases? May give the healers and extra cd to dps, but when the healers can easily cover for the other tanks' lesser level of mitigation I'm left scratching my head and wondering what's the point? To give healers an extra CD to dps? Maybe that feels rewarding for some. The amount of mitigation drk can put forward above the amount the other tanks can is not on par with the amount of self sustain it lacks compared to other tanks.

I'm sure someone can point to a general circumstance it is worth it but on the whole the disparity seems off.

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Originally Posted by Danelo

If I'm being honest, DRK doesn't seem to be in a bad place like in SB. While players who are new to DRK, and others, may love it, I just can't get there. I'm nostalgic for a return to HW DRK style play with an AoE loop reminiscent of SB. The skill ceiling is too low. There is no real joy in "getting it right" bcs it's so easy. I don't think the removal of tank stance really made a huge difference in that. There is no depth.

Side note that mitigation is great, and drk has a chunk of it, but does the extra mitigation make a difference in most cases? May give the healers and extra cd to dps, but when the healers can easily cover for the other tanks' lesser level of mitigation I'm left scratching my head and wondering what's the point? To give healers an extra CD to dps? Maybe that feels rewarding for some. The amount of mitigation drk can put forward above the amount the other tanks can is not on par with the amount of self sustain it lacks compared to other tanks.

I'm sure someone can point to a general circumstance it is worth it but on the whole the disparity seems off.

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I miss HW so much.

Parries leading to low blow and reprisal procs, the sound of reprisal
DA-DD and DA-DP for evasion on hero pulls
Blood Price being great (it sucked in SB)
Pulling wall to wall in every dungeon
Scourge
Our other combos, loved the visuals of Delirium
Spamming AD

Salted earth is so weak now it feels like a waste of time

Is DRK terrible? No, at least if you enjoy being a one trick pony with TBN and the rest of it's kit having been nerfed to oblivion. RIP AD and Quietus spam, and screw you delirium rework.

Is it a shadow of what it was and not worth the time to play anymore too? Yep

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Originally Posted by Dragonkat

Is DRK terrible? No, at least if you enjoy being a one trick pony with TBN and the rest of it's kit having been nerfed to oblivion. RIP AD and Quietus spam, and screw you delirium rework.

Is it a shadow of what it was and not worth the time to play anymore too? Yep

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According to your quote you can thank the 96% of the player base failing at 98% of the content consistently enough to warrant homogenization amongst all tanks not named Gunbreaker.

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Originally Posted by Esphyxia

According to your quote you can thank the 96% of the player base failing at 98% of the content consistently enough to warrant homogenization amongst all tanks not named Gunbreaker.

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Even though I didn't play at that time the nerfs were decided, you are welcome :).

Yeah, DRK is annoying at low levels, but I discovered by sheer luck that fending gear makes ALL the difference in survivability when I had two pieces of the aetherial reinforced steel set drop for me on a roulette. Yes, the body piece is a hideous tin can. yes, body and leg pieces occupy extra slots so you can't put anything on your head or feet. BUT it was a lifesaver for me as a noob tank who is a FFXIV noob and I've been able to tank flawlessly ever since I donned the set and glamoured the chest because it is causing me physical pain to see my horns somehow jammed into that metal abomination instead of clipping out as usual all the way until I finally hit the sweet 50 mark. And I intend to hold onto my fending pieces and exclusively upgrading to other fending pieces the rest of the way.

I guess I'll keep everyone posted as I progress DRK because I'm currently taking a break so I can finally get out of HW content.

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Originally Posted by kujoestars

Yeah, DRK is annoying at low levels, but I discovered by sheer luck that fending gear makes ALL the difference in survivability when I had two pieces of the aetherial reinforced steel set drop for me on a roulette. Yes, the body piece is a hideous tin can. yes, body and leg pieces occupy extra slots so you can't put anything on your head or feet. BUT it was a lifesaver for me as a noob tank who is a FFXIV noob and I've been able to tank flawlessly ever since I donned the set and glamoured the chest because it is causing me physical pain to see my horns somehow jammed into that metal abomination instead of clipping out as usual all the way until I finally hit the sweet 50 mark. And I intend to hold onto my fending pieces and exclusively upgrading to other fending pieces the rest of the way.

I guess I'll keep everyone posted as I progress DRK because I'm currently taking a break so I can finally get out of HW content.

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It's great that you're hitting your stride as a tank, and that you have, as a new player, been adventurous enough to take on tanking in the first place. However, you don't really have a choice to don non-fending gear as a tank... so when it comes to gearing until you reach endgame, just keep an eye on that ilvl.

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Originally Posted by purgatori

It's great that you're hitting your stride as a tank, and that you have, as a new player, been adventurous enough to take on tanking in the first place. However, you don't really have a choice to don non-fending gear as a tank... so when it comes to gearing until you reach endgame, just keep an eye on that ilvl.

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Pre-50, if you don't know any better or are not getting any useful drops, there is plenty of Disciple of War gear that drops that is equippable that isn't really made for tanking. That would be my guess as to what may have happened based off his post.

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Originally Posted by Sawamura

Well for me is like
Self healing rank
PLD> WAR> GNB> DRK

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This would imply you are self healing with clemency, which is a huge DPS loss to do so.

2nd straight expansion we suck.

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Originally Posted by Falar

2nd straight expansion we suck.

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SB was better than HW. Sucks we lost the masterpiece SB drk was, but WAR's still fun, therefore ShB DRK's still fun.

Get over your nostalgia for HW DRK and live in the present.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

SB was better than HW. Sucks we lost the masterpiece SB drk was, but WAR's still fun, therefore ShB DRK's still fun.

Get over your nostalgia for HW DRK and live in the present.

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WAR sucks, and even I don't main WAR, but I read the tooltips like the nerd that I am and I just go "Uninformed fanboys are going to defend the downgrade of WAR" just like how I read the tooltips on DRK and actually got a feel for it's level 80 gameplay and I cannot defend the downgrade.

Stormblood DRK didn't get better until 4.3 which was pretty pointless going into 5.0, and if they more or less said "oh yeah we're basically downgrading DRK in the next expansion" before being too close to 5.0 launching, the numbers would have plummeted faster, which is why people are still subbed albeit until the next media tour info dump for the next expansion and people who caught on that the company isn't even listening will just vote with their wallets and leave. But all know that the useful idiots who don't know the difference between a good product to mediocre product are going to waste their money on the mogstation because they wanted a "pimped out character" even though they have no clue how to play the game.

Learn how the game works, know how to play the game, and THEN work on "pimping out" your character.

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Originally Posted by Falar

2nd straight expansion we suck.

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DRK DOES SUCK this expansion, and so does WAR.

Been leveling DRK as my 1st tank job.
Lv50-60 felt a bit iffy for me so I unlock GNB at 60 just to compare.
While I much prefer DRK, I feel more secure tanking as GNB in SB dungeons.

Leveling DRK sucks.
End game... DRK is fine but Delirium is the biggest issue to me (outside of Living Dead ofc) its a slapped on WAR clone that kills DRKs potential where instead of doing something unique with Delirum its just a copy paste job.
DRK however plays overall better than WAR due to it being faster with less down time than WAR but goodness it should do more damage than a PLD with the amount of work you put in compared to PLD.

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

Leveling DRK sucks.
End game... DRK is fine but Delirium is the biggest issue to me (outside of Living Dead ofc) its a slapped on WAR clone that kills DRKs potential where instead of doing something unique with Delirum its just a copy paste job.
DRK however plays overall better than WAR due to it being faster with less down time than WAR but goodness it should do more damage than a PLD with the amount of work you put in compared to PLD.

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Did mention how much I hate Trick Attack? Because that's mostly DRK's problem is that it needs Trick Attack to be somewhat good for most of it's offensive toolkit...

Salted Earth is pathetic with it's short duration, weak DoT effect, and unreasonably long re-cast timer, all because it's ground targeting...

Carve and Spit's potency is weak compared to GNB's Blasting Zone's potency or even NIN's Dream Within a Dream's combined potency...

Edge of Darkness/Shadow and Flood of Darkness/Shadow are hindered by the fact that they replaced multiple cooldowns but suffer because of those cooldowns being gone(Darkside, Dark Arts, and Dark Passenger), and are glorified GCDs because they are oGCD but share a recast timer with each other "to prevent double weaving", and they cost 3k MP like The Blackest Night...

Speaking of The Blackest Night, there are people who believe that it should be neutral if it breaks and a loss if falls off, which I disagree with because of the DPS meta that everyone is so fond of, which means The Blackest Night needs to be a DPS gain on break and neutral on falloff...

But my biggest issue Living Shadow... I do not care how cool it looks, if I cannot maintain through Darkside or even Dark Arts, then it is a failure of an ability and doesn't even need to be a apart of the "Darkside Gauge"...

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

Leveling DRK sucks.
End game... DRK is fine but Delirium is the biggest issue to me (outside of Living Dead ofc) its a slapped on WAR clone that kills DRKs potential where instead of doing something unique with Delirum its just a copy paste job.
DRK however plays overall better than WAR due to it being faster with less down time than WAR but goodness it should do more damage than a PLD with the amount of work you put in compared to PLD.

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don't say that, remember when ppl say the same on SB DRK? this will like asking them to make the job even more braindead, and be sure they could do that.

I don’t think it’s wrong to say you should be rewarded for completing a more complicated rotation with higher dps. Unfortunately all the complexity has been drained away and current tanks vary only slightly.

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Originally Posted by Danelo

I don’t think it’s wrong to say you should be rewarded for completing a more complicated rotation with higher dps. Unfortunately all the complexity has been drained away and current tanks vary only slightly.

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There is nothing wrong with this. Unfortunately the DPS increase is incredibly miniscule. So basically as a DRK you're managing these extra resources just for the "fun" of it, with very little tangible gain when compared to the overall toolkit of other tanks.

One thing I NEVER see anyone mention. Every time I waver and decide that DRK will be my new main tank, there is one annoying factor that always infuriates me: the fact that I have to have an enemy tab targeted in order to do my AOE skills. Why? I'm in the middle of a pack spamming AOE combos and DPS kills the enemy I am targeting. All of a sudden my AOE skills cease to function unless I tab target a new enemy. This is jarring as hell. As PLD, I don't need to have anything targeted to do an AOE skill. I just Spin-to-Win.

Am I the only person who has noticed this?

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

Am I the only person who has noticed this?

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Probably, since Unleash and Stalwart Soul don't require a target. Not sure what your issue is. Don't think you need one for Quietus, either, although I could be wrong. On an alt that doesn't have DRK leveled at the moment. Flood of Shadow definitely, though.

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Originally Posted by BarretOblivion

Leveling DRK sucks.
End game... DRK is fine but Delirium is the biggest issue to me (outside of Living Dead ofc) its a slapped on WAR clone that kills DRKs potential where instead of doing something unique with Delirum its just a copy paste job.
DRK however plays overall better than WAR due to it being faster with less down time than WAR but goodness it should do more damage than a PLD with the amount of work you put in compared to PLD.

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Originally Posted by shao32

don't say that, remember when ppl say the same on SB DRK? this will like asking them to make the job even more braindead, and be sure they could do that.

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Leveling DRK sucks because we no longer have any fun abilities to use and DRK is just a boring chore without those fun abilities(a better Darkside, a better Dark Arts, Spinning Slash, Power Slash, Dark Passenger, Dark Dance, Sole Survivor, a better Blood Weapon, Blood Price, a better Salted Earth, a better Quietus, a better The Blackest Night). Spamming 1-2-3 until you have full MP is not fun/all cooldowns are up is not fun for tanks...


Being a mindless zombie drone is not fun, otherwise I would be playing a Green DPS-I mean- healer...

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Originally Posted by Danelo

I don’t think it’s wrong to say you should be rewarded for completing a more complicated rotation with higher dps. Unfortunately all the complexity has been drained away and current tanks vary only slightly.

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mmm no i don't say it's a wrong thing, im more saying that SE interprets this to be something like "it's to complex for what they do, make it more simple" or something like that based on how they dumped down DRK gameplay this expansion. in resume im a bit skeptical when someones mix "having to do to much" with job performance independent if they are actually complaying about the gameplay or just the numbers since the way it's sounds can be missinterpreted when you can simply say DRK needs to do a bit more without mention the number of buttons you have to press.

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Originally Posted by Alaeacus

There is nothing wrong with this. Unfortunately the DPS increase is incredibly miniscule. So basically as a DRK you're managing these extra resources just for the "fun" of it, with very little tangible gain when compared to the overall toolkit of other tanks.

One thing I NEVER see anyone mention. Every time I waver and decide that DRK will be my new main tank, there is one annoying factor that always infuriates me: the fact that I have to have an enemy tab targeted in order to do my AOE skills. Why? I'm in the middle of a pack spamming AOE combos and DPS kills the enemy I am targeting. All of a sudden my AOE skills cease to function unless I tab target a new enemy. This is jarring as hell. As PLD, I don't need to have anything targeted to do an AOE skill. I just Spin-to-Win.

Am I the only person who has noticed this?

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unleash, slatwart soul, salted earth and quietus don't need target to be used properly, only flood and abyssal drain need one so it's imposible all your aoes skills stop working.

It seems we are speaking past each other. Not sure if I phrased something wrong. I agree with your last response to me.

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Originally Posted by Malmstrom

Probably, since Unleash and Stalwart Soul don't require a target. Not sure what your issue is. Don't think you need one for Quietus, either, although I could be wrong. On an alt that doesn't have DRK leveled at the moment. Flood of Shadow definitely, though.

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Originally Posted by shao32

unleash, slatwart soul, salted earth and quietus don't need target to be used properly, only flood and abyssal drain need one so it's imposible all your aoes skills stop working.

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I don't know what's happening than. Maybe it's solely Flood of Darkness that is killing my combo than. Flood is supposed to be the multi-target darkness gauge refiller, and I NEED to use it during my AOE combos if my gauge is getting low, but if I have no enemy tab-targeted, my combo stops cold and skill up-time screws up.

Still, I don't even have to worry about this type of thing with PLD, as that job doesn't even have that extra resource to begin with. Less headache by default.