World Visit has been restricted in Ishgard Restoration

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

As a leviathan player, I was on Framfrit server all day helping them out and I don't even care about being locked out , because there are other ways to level. This is a big slap in the face for people helping lower craft servers.

Yes I'm upset

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So how were you helping them? The completed crafts are nontradble.. so unless you were going out.. gathering materials and then giving them to the low level players for free.. you weren't helping low level players.. you were helping yourself to turn-ins while waiting for a fate for yourself..

Good. So what if the lower population servers lag behind. As long as they'll eventually get to where everyone else is, it's fine.

I was disappointed I didn't get to see stage two yesterday, which I'm guessing was in part because it was so artificially rushed by other servers.

Hopefully things will be better now that servers can progress without interference.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Yes they were. There were some legitimate concerns, yes. But. There was plenty of "waaah" level responses as well.

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And as the ones with the data of who was world visiting, who was helping, who was just standing around and leeching the FATES, etc., SE gets to base this decision more on the legitimate concerns than the "waaah" level responses.

I mean, Yoshi-P said as much - they'd been monitoring the situation, have data on the number of crafters across servers, etc., and had a response ready to be implemented should they deem it necessary.

They just deemed it necessary.

Good, this is how it should be for the fate.

However, to encourage the feel of helping other realms with their progress.. another suggestion; if it hasn't already been made, allow people in other realms Firmament up until the progress bars completion. Put in an automated system that gives a warning that wanderers will be kicked after so many minutes after the progress bars completion.

Encouragement should come from a small percentage boost in scripts for turnings in on other realms to fill said realms progress bar. This should in affect increase realm camaraderie as well be a mutual boon to servers with less crafters as well giving said crafters extra scripts for their support.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

However, to encourage the feel of helping other realms with their progress...

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I know I'm only one person, but as someone on a med/low pop server I do not want this help at all.

If a content patch is approaching and the lower pop realms aren't where SE thinks they need to be on progress, then incentives like this may be helpful, but until then can't we just progress at a natural pace instead of being rushed through content? I was hoping to enjoy seeing it progress.

I don't get this "rush it" mentality, Ishgard won't dissapear next month, we have time. And tbh the stuff SE said about they looked at how many crafters and gatherers there are on the servers...that makes no sense at all since now literally everyone is crafting and gathering, even on low pop servers. So what's the matter if a low pop server don't get their goal done in one day?

It's not the end of the world and if people are so desperate to help those servers then transfer to them and help. The problem was that there were literally hundreds of players from other servers rushing around trying to get all fates in their datacenter, so i think sacrificing some players who really wanted to help compared to let thousands, who create even a discord to cheese everything out of this game, break the system.

And when players from their own server can't even join the place where they can do not only the fate but the whole content then this is a real problem when players can't do their content on their homeservers and players from other servers are even mocking them about it. If low pop servers can't progress SE can just lower the requirements for the goals there and the world is perfectly balanced again, as it should be.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Something about these statements seems incongruent.....

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Not at all. It's perfectly possible to find enjoyment in both the absolute chaos brought about by such situations whilst also engaging in good sportsmanship.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

So how were you helping them? The completed crafts are nontradble.. so unless you were going out.. gathering materials and then giving them to the low level players for free.. you weren't helping low level players.. you were helping yourself to turn-ins while waiting for a fate for yourself..

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Don't make me sound like a selfish prick when I'm not. I spent all day in Framfrit, gathered the mats from there, and craft the mats as well as turned them in on the Framfrit server, not my own. What, does turns in not count to that server when you visited another server? If so I did not know and if I would have known about that I would have gathered the materials and supply them to the Framfrit players for free

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

I don't get this "rush it" mentality, Ishgard won't dissapear next month, we have time. And tbh the stuff SE said about they looked at how many crafters and gatherers there are on the servers...that makes no sense at all since now literally everyone is crafting and gathering, even on low pop servers. So what's the matter if a low pop server don't get their goal done in one day?

It's not the end of the world and if people are so desperate to help those servers then transfer to them and help. The problem was that there were literally hundreds of players from other servers rushing around trying to get all fates in their datacenter, so i think sacrificing some players who really wanted to help compared to let thousands, who create even a discord to cheese everything out of this game, break the system.

And when players from their own server can't even join the place where they can do not only the fate but the whole content then this is a real problem when players can't do their content on their homeservers and players from other servers are even mocking them about it. If low pop servers can't progress SE can just lower the requirements for the goals there and the world is perfectly balanced again, as it should be.

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I think the problem is we all suffer from XIV's amusement park ride style and especially FOMO. So these two go hand in hand and everyone tries to do everything they can to stay current and experience it before heading back to their normal things.

The world visiting fates were a part of that where people wouldn't even craft but just force themselves into the world and just afk till FATE time. Though to be fair the concept of sitting and watching Netflix while other people do the hardwork for you to earn your scrips does sound tantalizing and it's plain to see why it happened.

It reminds me of back when blue mage came out and people were doing the job switching to exploit the system and were in turn interrupting other's trying to level the job normally by killing all the mobs too quickly. People doing anything to rush to finish line to keep up with the content before the shelf life wore off, I mean it's apparent now especially looking at PF for BLU related things.

With all that being said I'm glad they did decide to do this. I do miss the idea of hanging out with people, crafting on another world with varied people and shooting the shit waiting for a FATE to pop. But I can live with it if it means everyone else can experience the content as it should have meant to be originally. Like you said they can always do adjustments for the lower pop servers after a time and with this content lasting us the entire expansion it's totally fine to just hang back and go with the flow.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Well that sucks. I enjoyed hopping worlds while helping them craft. Didn’t have a problem getting into the place. It only gets full about 30 minutes before the fate. I mean if you weren’t there crafting in the first place then perhaps you didn’t care for the restoration at all? I’m sure this is temporary until the excitement dies down.

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Those of us who gather our own materials get screwed tho. I was unlucky thinking I could just come back after getting the needed materials.

I feel like congestion will still happen within the larger servers even after this, and people will be more inclined to watch over the progress more than ever because it'll be slower now without wanderers contributing to the effort, which will make the FATEs being somewhat more valuable for how long they take to spawn.
They should've made more than one instance so both congestion and wanderers wouldn't be much of a problem anymore, and so there's none of this cat-fighting happening on both sides. You girls are both pretty.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

I’m not so sure, with no access to their retainers or other content I’m sure it will just be a mater of time till they get bored and leave

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There's a summoning bell in the zone. Not much else, but there is one.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Well that sucks. I enjoyed hopping worlds while helping them craft. Didn’t have a problem getting into the place. It only gets full about 30 minutes before the fate. I mean if you weren’t there crafting in the first place then perhaps you didn’t care for the restoration at all? I’m sure this is temporary until the excitement dies down.

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Or you were in there crafting the entire day to push the progress bar and decided to head out to do something else for a little bit once the timer started...

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Originally Posted by aesteval

There's a summoning bell in the zone. Not much else, but there is one.

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You can't use it if you aren't from this world.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

So how were you helping them? The completed crafts are nontradble.. so unless you were going out.. gathering materials and then giving them to the low level players for free.. you weren't helping low level players.. you were helping yourself to turn-ins while waiting for a fate for yourself..

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Might want to read that again. Not low crafters. Low craft servers. It is implied that Jkap was helping other servers out as originally intended. I mean obviously I don't know the person, but let's be real here, not everyone playing is out for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Rasikko

Might want to read that again. Not low crafters. Low craft servers. It is implied that Jkap was helping other servers out as originally intended. I mean obviously I don't know the person, but let's be real here, not everyone playing is out for themselves.

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Yes thank you. Someone gets it. Not everyone wants to snag fates, especially when there's other ways to level.

I was helping Framfrit server because they were behind and I enjoy meeting people. It's exciting and very enjoyable for me, I was t being a prick, I wasn't being an asshole. I was just helping out. But everyone wants to paint a picture that all Wanders wants to steal fates.

I don't even care about fates but make it to where Wanders can still help other servers but unable to participate in the fates.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

People like you are why this was implemented. I got home Tuesday and was unable to even finish the quest. Wednesday I got in and finished it then went it gather the materials I needed, came back and it was full for the rest of the night, but I guess u didn't care about it as much as you right?. Do act like you were there to help with anything when you knew you were locking other out.

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You seem to be really frustrated to accuse someone you don’t know. I forgive you, but I did in fact craft as I waited in these worlds. So did others from other worlds. I did see many of the local world people AFK most of the time. In fact most of the local were AFK for almost the whole time the bar was filling up. Your anger should be directed at the ones who never moved their mouse. Can you blame them though?

The content was designed for such purpose by the DEVs. Though they had the right idea in their minds, they failed to remember that all of us will abuse the system and go for the quickest route. Perhaps if the design for anything the DEVs do wasn’t such a chore then people wouldn’t abuse or cheat the game.

As long as they dont delay the release of further stages till small servers "catch up" i couldn't care less.

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Originally Posted by Hash_Browns

Ah well. No more being told to get out of peoples servers and <wanderer> only parties anymore. :[

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That’s just mean. As a host of our worlds we should be more welcoming. Regardless if the area is full or not.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

I’m not so sure, with no access to their retainers or other content I’m sure it will just be a mater of time till they get bored and leave

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There’s a Summoning Bell inside the Firmament.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

There’s a Summoning Bell inside the Firmament.

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Which, again, can't be used by wanderers.

It wasn't about Natives having to leave the area to deal with retainers, it was about wanderers that were in the firmament before the fix.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Which, again, can't be used by wanderers.

It wasn't about Natives having to leave the area to deal with retainers, it was about wanderers that were in the firmament before the fix.

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My bad, I guess. No need to be rude.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Yes they were. There were some legitimate concerns, yes. But. There was plenty of "waaah" level responses as well. Unless you are just that patient and gentle to never see a tantrum as what it is, a tantrum.

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Woah, no way, in an online forum full of tons of different people, some of those posts might not be as constructive as the others!? NO WAY!?

I can't believe I never realized this, how long were you going to keep this life changing information to yourself!? Are you a sociologist? Cause this is some kind of ground breaking discovery you just made, it HAS to be!

I want to understand how people who say they were "helping" were actually helping. Evene leaving out the whole "people can't partecipate in their own world because of wanderers", by speeding up the progress you made the phases end faster than people were able to partecipate to. Especially considering that after the current phase we'll see none anymore till next patch, so basically burning the whole patch for everybody in a few days. I wouldn't call it helping, I'd call it ruining.

Gladly now i can access to my own server features without greedy people taking advantage of it.

Sorry not sorry for you babes.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

My bad, I guess. No need to be rude.

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Sorry I didn't mean to be rude there o/

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

I want to understand how people who say they were "helping" were actually helping. Evene leaving out the whole "people can't partecipate in their own world because of wanderers", by speeding up the progress you made the phases end faster than people were able to partecipate to. Especially considering that after the current phase we'll see none anymore till next patch, so basically burning the whole patch for everybody in a few days. I wouldn't call it helping, I'd call it ruining.

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I didn't see things that way I thought I was helping other world but in the end I helped burn the content in 3-4 days when it should have lasted 8 days. I'm really sorry for that.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

My bad, I guess. No need to be rude.

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This was not rude in the slightest. You adding the "I guess" after saying "my bad" really wasn't necessary either.

...I don't think necroposting just for the sake of correcting someone's wording was really necessary.

In any case, I hope this restriction remains in place for the forseeable future and if anything is selectively lifted just to help particularly slow or new servers catch up/

I wish it didn't have to come to that. Even in a game, different worlds can't be nice to each other -.-.

Funny thing about all this is how heat of the moment people got, because they wanted to rush rush rush to the end.

And if you're joining just now to participate, it's all over. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

They really only listen to 'easy things'

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

...I don't think necroposting just for the sake of correcting someone's wording was really necessary.

In any case, I hope this restriction remains in place for the forseeable future and if anything is selectively lifted just to help particularly slow or new servers catch up/

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I’d like to think that it will. A huge concern some posters had in response to this change was that smaller servers would struggle to complete the objectives. However, we saw that Phase 1 was completed in the course of a week/a week and a half for all servers, even those we know to be fairly low pop. So I don’t think smaller servers finishing way later than larger ones is too terrible of a concern. They may not finish first, but since there doesn’t seem to be any sort of award or prestige for doing so, that hardly matters. Plus, I’d think having the content last longer than seven days would be nice. Though, I know that’s a fairly steep thing to wish for, since people like to bum-rush new content.

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Originally Posted by Sesera

Sorry I didn't mean to be rude there o/

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It’s all good. Misreading tone in text happens all the time. My apologies for misinterpreting your intentions and SerLuke’s comment about the Summoning Bell.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

This was not rude in the slightest. You adding the "I guess" after saying "my bad" really wasn't necessary either.

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A+ necro, my dude. This wasn’t necessary to say in the slightest. That said, if you take issue with my wording, there is an ignore list for you to use.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Funny thing about all this is how heat of the moment people got, because they wanted to rush rush rush to the end.

And if you're joining just now to participate, it's all over. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Most people weren't trying to rush rush to the end. They were looking for a chance to get in to participate at all and those who were trying to rush rush locked them out.

In retrospect, we now know that no one really missed out on anything significant. The FATEs weren't inspired unless you're the type of player that thinks milking Dataqi sheep is engaging game play (click object, wait through long cast bar, move to next object to click and wait again). The Firmament had only a minor change in appearance. The day one look really isn't that different from how it looks now outside of the stalls replacing the scaffolding that had been in the same spots.

There's nothing stopping anyone from continuing to participate right now. We can still turn in collectibles for scrip, and I imagine a lot of players are going to be doing that so they will be scrip capped when the next part of the Reconstruction begins.