Quality of tanks in duty finder

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10-28-2019, 01:01 PM
Hyperia

Most of the more experienced tanks are either:
A) Taking a break
B) Playing another job

They will come back for the patch.
10-28-2019, 01:09 PM
RyuSaarva

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Last night in LOTA I mentioned to our tank that he should be pulling the adds to the platform for the 4 people there to kill them and not tanking the boss. He got all hot and bothered and had a couple friends with him trying and defend the fact that he didn't have a clue how to tank the duty. We didn't wipe was he big response. Gets pretty old seeing duty after duty with tanks who really don't know the mechanics. It's expected I suppose but at least listen to those trying to help.

actually it's a lot better if healer spams aoes when the add spawns and then tank and kills it with other people on th platform and tanks just hit the boss.
10-28-2019, 02:29 PM
Arrius

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

Most of the more experienced tanks are either:
A) Taking a break
B) Playing another job

They will come back for the patch.

Or, they aren't bothering with random groups anymore that puts them on standards that they don't feel for having themselves. Fully glad I am for those ilevel requirements in dungeon now.
10-28-2019, 05:50 PM
LaylaTsarra

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

actually it's a lot better if healer spams aoes when the add spawns and then tank and kills it with other people on th platform and tanks just hit the boss.

How do you spam AOE's when you're on a platform well away from where the adds are spawning? Can't even heal the tank or dps who are dpsing the adds that spawn at the boss circle. The tank should be bringing the adds to with in reach of the casters/healers (more than halfway) who are mostly those who are on the platforms so they can kill them or else half the party does nothing during that part of the run.
10-28-2019, 07:33 PM
RyuSaarva

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

How do you spam AOE's when you're on a platform well away from where the adds are spawning? Can't even heal the tank or dps who are dpsing the adds that spawn at the boss circle. The tank should be bringing the adds to with in reach of the casters/healers (more than halfway) who are mostly those who are on the platforms so they can kill them or else half the party does nothing during that part of the run.

aoe heals for maximum enmity so you can tank it as a healer and tank does not waste his time bringing it to the platform.
10-28-2019, 07:41 PM
LaylaTsarra

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

aoe heals for maximum enmity so you can tank it as a healer and tank does not waste his time bringing it to the platform.

You can't do that from the platform if ranged are on the platform and melee up front. Glad you have a new system but that's not how it's played or been played.
10-28-2019, 07:49 PM
RyuSaarva

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You can't do that from the platform if ranged are on the platform and melee up front. Glad you have a new system but that's not how it's played or been played.

yes you can, I always do it, what is stopping you from doing that?
10-28-2019, 07:50 PM
LaylaTsarra

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

yes you can, I always do it, what is stopping you from doing that?

Well good for you but that's not how it's done. After all is said and done 4 of us sat on that platform with nothing to do.
10-28-2019, 10:19 PM
odintius

Had a tank uses hollow ground to pull a boss then proceeded using their def cool downs on top of it. I tried saying they didn't need to do that their response was they were trying to give me breathing room for the fight. Then they proceeded never to use said cool downs throughout the rest of the fight if I could smack someone it would be this person. This is rare but a truly special moment to remember!
10-29-2019, 03:38 AM
Makeda

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

Ugh, leveling DPS at the moment can’t wait to go back to tanking. Tired of slow tanks. You can pull more than one add you know. The healer was able to do our taxes.

When I'm tanking I set my pace by my health bar. If the healer isn't keeping me up well, I slow down.

I've seen plenty of healers that DPS to the exclusion of healing.

When I'm healing... I heal to the point of trying to keep the tank able to pull to just slightly above my comfort zone. But I see plenty of tanks that run past the limit of my range, don't use any mitigation, keep half a pull on their backside, ignore mobs that are focusing me or a DPS down (in places like Amurat for example with those adds that have a line to one person... I have found myself as a healer having to solo that thing as it tears into me - and I have let a tank die because the choice was that or heal myself from the drain that line-mob was putting on me...

What I notice in both of these scenarios is that it is extremely easy to get judgmental about the player on the other role... I don't know what's going on on their screen, but I can sure make a whole lot of assumptions.

The good thing about having all three roles maxed out and at or above iLevel 450 is that I can 'check myself' if I start making all kinds of presumptions about other people... halfway through my "this jerk sucks" mental analysis... I can remember basically the run I was in 5 minutes ago on that other role... and the stuff I was dealing with there... and usually that makes me realize a lot of the criticisms I noted above... might have a reason I don't see from this side of the group right now...
10-29-2019, 03:40 AM
Rasikko

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Originally Posted by odintius

Had a tank uses hollow ground to pull a boss then proceeded using their def cool downs on top of it. I tried saying they didn't need to do that their response was they were trying to give me breathing room for the fight. Then they proceeded never to use said cool downs throughout the rest of the fight if I could smack someone it would be this person. This is rare but a truly special moment to remember!

The BlowAllCDsBeforePull tanks truly are magnificent specimens.
10-29-2019, 03:50 AM
Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by Dirwen

I get my share of bad tanks in trial roulette too but doesn't compare to ally raid obviously. I don't know when the trend started but both tanks always have tank stance on when swapping is not even needed in most trials. Worse is when I opt to OT and have stance off only for other tank to turn it off and refuse to pull only to turn it on and provoke after I start to pull instead. I don't understand where these tanks are getting these ideas from. It is not even about being bad it is why they are even doing it?

This is the biggest problem I come across a good bit of the time in Alliance Raid Roulette, and is also why I don't rush in anymore despite being more confident in myself. It's not worth starting a tank war over. If the other tanks want to fight over hate then they can go ahead. I will have no part in it. It's so dang annoying. I will take over if needed though, or if the other tanks are just sitting there waiting to pull.

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Originally Posted by Nemmar

Were you unable to clear the content? Probably not.

So, does it really matter? Not everyone needs to be pro. I don't see the point of this thread except to vent.
We cannot change other people. Only they have that power and i can guarantee you they don't read the forums.

I don't expect perfection. Heck, I don't even expect people to be skilled. I know that people have varying skill levels and that is fine. What I DO expect, however, is other people using at least a small portion of their brains to turn their tank stances off if they aren't MTing and stop using provoke.
10-29-2019, 04:33 AM
CazzT

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Originally Posted by Kusanagi7

as someone who plays tank what annoys me is when im tanking in 24 man raids for some reason another tank will try and provoke the boss leading to it turning around seriously if a tank is tanking stop useing provoke.

A million times this.
I've seen tanks using Provoke like it's part of their rotation. And I scream internally every time.
10-29-2019, 01:06 PM
RyuSaarva

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Originally Posted by CazzT

A million times this.
I've seen tanks using Provoke like it's part of their rotation. And I scream internally every time.

it is now, it increases your enmity generation but it's useless because they also greatly increased tank enmity gain this expansion.
10-29-2019, 01:57 PM
Hasrat

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

How do you spam AOE's when you're on a platform well away from where the adds are spawning? Can't even heal the tank or dps who are dpsing the adds that spawn at the boss circle. The tank should be bringing the adds to with in reach of the casters/healers (more than halfway) who are mostly those who are on the platforms so they can kill them or else half the party does nothing during that part of the run.

Nobody should be hitting the adds except those back on the platform. There's no reason for the four up front to hit them at all, focus on killing the boss, because they're the only four in range to do so.
When the adds spawn, they get put on everyone's aggro table (I think, been a bit since I've been here). By being in a party, and everyone being on the table, the healer casting any heals at all will genrate enmity. As long as nobody up front has bothered hitting the add, because they shouldn't and should be focusing on the boss, the add will immediately head straight for the healer and remaining dps, who will quickly burn it down, with no need for tank involvement.

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Originally Posted by RyuSaarva

it is now, it increases your enmity generation but it's useless because they also greatly increased tank enmity gain this expansion.

It doesn't increase any generation if the tank already has aggro.
10-29-2019, 05:08 PM
Vulcann

maybe because all the good tanks refuse to do duty roulettes with randos who run to the forum to complain.

so you're stuck with whats left.
10-29-2019, 05:37 PM
Zomkei

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

It doesn't increase any generation if the tank already has aggro.

this is incorrect, as of 5.0 it actually does. read the tooltip.
10-29-2019, 05:48 PM
Nedkel

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Originally Posted by Makeda

When I'm healing... I heal to the point of trying to keep the tank able to pull to just slightly above my comfort zone. But I see plenty of tanks that run past the limit of my range, don't use any mitigation, keep half a pull on their backside, ignore mobs that are focusing me or a DPS down (in places like Amurat for example with those adds that have a line to one person... I have found myself as a healer having to solo that thing as it tears into me - and I have let a tank die because the choice was that or heal myself from the drain that line-mob was putting on me...

If you have this one specific mob focusing you please pull this mob to the tank and dont force the tank to dance with entire pull because you are lazy.
There are ranged mobs in those pulls that tank has to stand next to them because they dont move, if you stand still expecting tank to kill it then it cause only a mess, these mobs have a lot of aoe spells and moving them around just brings chaos in the party.
10-29-2019, 06:18 PM
Rosekitten

I just wish tanks would use cool downs... had a run last night in the 73 dungeon I thought my buddy and i was going to have to just bail on... tank kept dc'ing .. even with the buff on my fc mate kept pulling agro. I didn't know that was even possible.
He was hit like a flippin truck. The guy was a 80, had gear but geeze..I was ready to just hang up the towel and call it a night after the dungeon nearly timed out due to all the stupid.. .___. didn't help the other dps was bad .. i couldn't even begin to think to help dps cause if i stopped healing the tank he'd die.
10-29-2019, 06:44 PM
Gemina

I actually haven't had a bad PUG tank for some time now. I remember it was really bad for a while prior to ShB. But I also don't slap a bad tag on tanks just for screwing up. That happens all the time. I put that label on them when they leave an impression that they just don't care. I had a Titania run the other night, and the tank faced her towards the group and she cleaved everyone. We had to reset because all healing and rezzes were knocked out. The tank immediately apologized though, and round two went without a hitch. It was an honest mistake that could have potentially got ugly.

It's been much less of a hit or miss lately where I've actually regained some trust in DF tanks. I used to tank the majority of my roulettes because I just couldn't deal.

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