Ongoing harassment in PvP FL

Someone rolled 99 on my eden weapon coffer
As a person who has been a victim of burglary and have had to attend therapy to get over my trauma, no longer feel safe in my home and cant go skiing because ski masks terrify me, this is harassment of the highest order

Please ban people from rolling higher than me on loot and stealing my items from me

I cant believe square enix is pushing this toxic atmosphere,I'm done paying sub money to this company

Even if I were to return after being a supporter of this game for several years, you better believe I am avoiding any dungeon, trial, maps or raid content until this gets fixed :mad:

A solid 5/5. Would read again.

I can't believe some these responses. Talk about acting like children that need to get over themselves. Sure this is "just" a game and your avatar maybe a cartoon character, but they are run by real people, with real feelings.

So you don't agree, then respond with some tact and show a bit of respect in response. No need to name call and kick them in the teeth, because you don't agree. Makes you wonder who's the bigger child after reading all this. No need to bully a fellow adventurer to inflate your egos.

If this person was traumatized by all this, then keep in mind that this person maybe 1 in millions suffering from depression, ptsd or the many other forms of mental illnesses that are online and under therapy. No need for you all to push them over the edge. No need for you to tell them to rush to therapy when they are there already. Learn to disagree without the harmful bullying! Is that who you are and is that who we are as fellow players of ffxiv? Talk about toxic.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

If this person was traumatized by all this, then keep in mind that this person maybe 1 in millions suffering from depression, ptsd or the many other forms of mental illnesses that are online and under therapy. No need for you all to push them over the edge. No need for you to tell them to rush to therapy when they are there already. Learn to disagree without the harmful bullying! Is that who you are and is that who we are as fellow players of ffxiv? Talk about toxic.

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I tend to take what people say on the internet with a grain of salt. People lie a lot and on the internet as it is way easy. How would you know if someone is really suffering or just making it up for attention or whatnot? If this person is really suffering from emotes in PvP they should just avoid PvP. In content where players kill one another emotions can get wild so it is not a place for sensitive people. The world doesn't owe them anything. Yes the world isn't nice and never was. People have to deal with it everyday and it is why therapists is such a lucrative business.

Only noobs has time to waste it for spamming emotes in pvp. :x

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

I can't believe some these responses. Talk about acting like children that need to get over themselves. Sure this is "just" a game and your avatar maybe a cartoon character, but they are run by real people, with real feelings.

So you don't agree, then respond with some tact and show a bit of respect in response. No need to name call and kick them in the teeth, because you don't agree. Makes you wonder who's the bigger child after reading all this. No need to bully a fellow adventurer to inflate your egos.

If this person was traumatized by all this, then keep in mind that this person maybe 1 in millions suffering from depression, ptsd or the many other forms of mental illnesses that are online and under therapy. No need for you all to push them over the edge. No need for you to tell them to rush to therapy when they are there already. Learn to disagree without the harmful bullying! Is that who you are and is that who we are as fellow players of ffxiv? Talk about toxic.

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But this game is being played by children.
Thats why you never take seriously on what is written online, there is a pretty good chance it is being written by a literal kid behind the screen.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

I can't believe some these responses. Talk about acting like children that need to get over themselves. Sure this is "just" a game and your avatar maybe a cartoon character, but they are run by real people, with real feelings.

So you don't agree, then respond with some tact and show a bit of respect in response. No need to name call and kick them in the teeth, because you don't agree. Makes you wonder who's the bigger child after reading all this. No need to bully a fellow adventurer to inflate your egos.

If this person was traumatized by all this, then keep in mind that this person maybe 1 in millions suffering from depression, ptsd or the many other forms of mental illnesses that are online and under therapy. No need for you all to push them over the edge. No need for you to tell them to rush to therapy when they are there already. Learn to disagree without the harmful bullying! Is that who you are and is that who we are as fellow players of ffxiv? Talk about toxic.

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They claim they were a R word victim and this is the thing that sets them off when the first dungeon of the game has sex slaves.
Don't get me started on stormblood.

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Originally Posted by xxvaynxx

They claim they were a R word victim and this is the thing that sets them off when the first dungeon of the game has sex slaves.
Don't get me started on stormblood.

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I never noticed those sex slaves until people mentioned it on these forums. When being new for people tend to rush you so it is hard to appreciate the surroundings in a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

I can't believe some these responses. Talk about acting like children that need to get over themselves. Sure this is "just" a game and your avatar maybe a cartoon character, but they are run by real people, with real feelings.

So you don't agree, then respond with some tact and show a bit of respect in response. No need to name call and kick them in the teeth, because you don't agree. Makes you wonder who's the bigger child after reading all this. No need to bully a fellow adventurer to inflate your egos.

If this person was traumatized by all this, then keep in mind that this person maybe 1 in millions suffering from depression, ptsd or the many other forms of mental illnesses that are online and under therapy. No need for you all to push them over the edge. No need for you to tell them to rush to therapy when they are there already. Learn to disagree without the harmful bullying! Is that who you are and is that who we are as fellow players of ffxiv? Talk about toxic.

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Shame we can only like messages once. Seriously people - there's no need for this sort of behavior.

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Originally Posted by Random0

Shame we can only like messages once. Seriously people - there's no need for this sort of behavior.

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I dunno dude, being hinted at being vile, demeaning and just about the same level of a rapist because you maybe teabagged someone, danced on their corpse once or twice or simply by just "condoning this behavior" isnt very kind either and is quite disturbing.

Let's ban crouching in first person shooters because this mean guy teabagged my dead body after he killed me.

That's what this entire argument sounds like.

If someone teabags me in FL I am more determined to kick their ass and do it right back. It's a good motivator.

There's a couple of details that, in the way you posted, just ring a red alarm on the your post.
Let's start with the obvious: stating the R card which just scream the bs alarm right away, it's rare for anybody to comes out instantly about it without wanting to use it as shock value or plain lie.
If it was the case, and that you're emotionally unstable when seeing certain behavior, you'd have issues with the game long before even reaching PvP (*wink wink* Sastasha), let's add to that you're playing on Balmung, server with an infamous reputation for it's quality role play.

The wording.

People get a kick out of making obscene emotes.
Obscene emotes over fallen bodies.
Very Obscene and insulting things.
etc..
Oh the agony.. they are burning the field Robert, they are tossing the children by the windows.. THE WINDOWS! and they are defiling the tombs with Bepsi!

You're exaggerating a lot there and since you're not posting or detailing what have been done then i'll take it you just got flustered over basic taunting from someone squatting for t-bag or dance.
If the emote was of a more serious nature (custom emote for example but not sure those show up in frontline) and is obviously abusive like Pewster Kickster spit on Andy Dandy cuz he ded like a weak then yeah it's aggressive/toxic and shouldn't be allowed to fly by without a warning. But if it's just generic t-bagging with the squat emote then who cares.. Taunting exist in gaming since the dawn of times and the beginning of multiplayer and anybody at some point did it to someone else and nobody fell from their chair (aside in anger due to poor emotion management). As long as it's not pushing boundaries and remain child-play then there's nothing wrong with it since angering the opponent is a valid strategy to get to some try hard.

Your post just feel like it's someones mom reacting on the facebook about what she saw when little Timmy was playing GTA or CoD, shooting all the innocent pixels and then bloods all over the screen, screams and gut spilling out, in short, exaggerating and blowing thing out of proportion...
Maybe some of this is true, and i'm sorry for you if it's the case, but this is the internet and the default stance is that you shouldn't take everything at face value. Your post lack proper example of what has been done regarding the issue making it hard to believe a lot of it, especially with the wording and the r card.

Let's not confuse obvious toxicity (Nice Job! spam) with generic taunting or child-play provocation (Squat - Dancing). If you're taking those things way too seriously or to a point you get emotionally annoyed by them, i'd take a couple step back on it and see how ridiculous you're being for overreacting over this.

This topics hilarious.
Funny about CoD, I was thinking that too lol.
theres like what only 5% of the hazing in ff compared to cod but ppl really cry over this?

Being taunted is simply part of being in a vs mode period. Watch football? like ever?
Ya sure, you see the OTHER team running right up and cheering when they get a TD against them hu. YA NO
This is apart of playing in anything vs others. Period.
Stop asking SE to do something about it. Just deal with it like every one game IRL or a video game or dont play. Its human nature, not gonna change.

Bait. Because actual traumatized victims don't go around shouting about their trauma. They especially don't go on a forum full of anonymous players and get upset by the responses.

You also play on an ERPing server. Quit letting your delusions spill over onto the forums.

I emote on my kills cause they took away my sparklers. Ill jump on them if they remove my emotes. That level of toxicity is all in good fun imo and it's part of pvp culture. Like. Its just pixels on a screen, I ain't egging your car. Calm down.

Jalin is an inept and stupid name for some reason my name is Jalin despite having no relation or history towards that name. I asked people on frontlines and they made fun of that name cause they think it is stupid so people ar eharrassing one another on frontlines it is bad

I went through many assaults in my past, and have been through a lot of physical trauma. I am diagnosed with PTSD, but even so, I did not not think about how teabagging could remind someone of being assaulted.

Yes you need therapy, and work through your issues, and I commend you for bravely being open about it. That shows strength and growth on your part, but I don't see why we are defending teabagging. It's not like it benefits the team in anyway.

It could have easily of been me, and I apologize directly for teabagging all the people that I have done it to. Characters we play in game are visual representations of ourselves that we connect to, and I believe that OP has a right to feel violated. I'm never teabagging ever again. Thank you for enlightening me by speaking up. I will never repeat my offending behavior. I wish I had known how such a simple action could drive a person to tears. That shouldn't happen in a place where we escape our daily lives. XIV should be healing and fun for all.

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Originally Posted by FuriousOni

Bait. Because actual traumatized victims don't go around shouting about their trauma. They especially don't go on a forum full of anonymous players and get upset by the responses.

You also play on an ERPing server. Quit letting your delusions spill over onto the forums.

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When I was first diagnosed I literally could not help it. Being strong and vocal helped me reset my boundaries and correct the ailments that were conflicting my mind. I have a feeling that OP is doing that, and should be given a little bit more sympathy. Establishing healthy behavioral patterns and boundaries is the first step after feeling like ruin. Let her reclaim her territory.

Trauma affects part of your brain, and sends high levels of chemicals throughout your body. When you have triggers you literally cannot function until you learn how to cope with them on your own. Sometimes trauma is so great people can never recover. I.e. veterans of Vietnam still suffer today, and it's often taboo to ask them questions.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

When I was first diagnosed I literally could not help it. Being strong and vocal helped me reset my boundaries and correct the ailments that were conflicting my mind. I have a feeling that OP is doing that, and should be given a little bit more sympathy. Establishing healthy behavioral patterns and boundaries is the first step after feeling like ruin. Let her reclaim her territory.

Trauma affects part of your brain, such as having a name Jalin and sends high levels of chemicals throughout your body. When you have triggers you literally cannot function until you learn how to cope with them on your own. Sometimes trauma is so great people can never recover. I.e. veterans of Vietnam still suffer today, and it's often taboo to ask them questions.

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Yes I agree the name Jalin made me a paraplegic and induced severe trauma for years before I was able to reclaim my sanity. The SE mod who made my name Jalin is a sadist and one of the most evil people in the world. Jalin is a dumb name that gives trauma equivalent to the amount OP is going through if not more.

I've literally never seen anyone doing anything to taunt dead players throughout my 60+ FL games, so I'm thinking it's likely just a small few individuals being immature like this.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I've literally never seen anyone doing anything to taunt dead players throughout my 60+ FL games, so I'm thinking it's likely just a small few individuals being immature like this.

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Get some more games under you belt and you'll see it eventually. I think the emoting took the place of the fireworks you can no longer use in matches. Although it doesn't seem anywhere near as common as fireworks usage was. But I'd agree that the vast majority of players do not engage is this behavior.

Is.... Is this a troll post? Are people honestly that upset by people using emotes/jumping on people/walking over people who die? If a ranged player was being particularly obnoxious with running and hiding, I occasionally jump on their dead body afterwards 2-3 times, is that really so bad and triggering? O-o

Ah, my bad, it is a troll post. Guess I am the poor fishie that got baited this time around.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Ah, my bad, it is a troll post. Guess I am the poor fishie that got baited this time around.

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You're not, don't worry. Bait posts like these are incredibly effective due to the sad reality that this presented mentality is only slightly exaggerated.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I've literally never seen anyone doing anything to taunt dead players throughout my 60+ FL games, so I'm thinking it's likely just a small few individuals being immature like this.

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It's usually Immortal Flames doing it, which is just one of the many reasons why they constantly lose.

I personally think this post is real, there are simply people REALLY like that in the world.

Yes dear, it is a terrible thing that happened to you, but it's up to YOU to move past it and get your life back. If you let it keep traumatizing you because of little things that happen in your life, then the person who did it keeps winning over and over again.

This is just a GAME, a silly game. Plus it is PVP, people are MEAN to each other in PVP, that is the whole POINT of PVP! No one is NICE there! Hell, I like to play white mage in PVP and I am SUPER mean to my fellow Mages, I kill them with impunity when I see them and I expect they feel the same about me.

Your character is NOT you, people are usually not doing things to you PERSONALLY. If someone mocks you in PVP, well, it's par for the course, everyone mocks everyone. Hell, I have mocked someone for trying REALLY hard to kill my poor WHM and failing.

You CANNOT expect to play a game with real life people at the other end of the characters around you and expect that real life thoughts and actions won't creep into it.
Anonymity breeds asses and people WILL be jerks, especially in PVP situations.

Just have a thick skin, laugh it off and move on when the game is done.

If I see someone in my GC do it, I just tell them to knock it off. Normally they do. It is indecent, but more importantly they are focused on their celebration and not the match.

I've even seen people die, while celebrating.

It's immature behavior, but that is all it is. This type of behavior has been around for a long time.

We need the flag of ownership so I can use it on people like the OP. There should be a snowflake effect when you plant the flag for bonus salt.

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Originally Posted by Ryphen

I think the emoting took the place of the fireworks you can no longer use in matches. .

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They did? I like the fireworks tho. Got killed my a group before and they used them on me. I laughed

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Originally Posted by Axxion

They did? I like the fireworks tho. Got killed my a group before and they used them on me. I laughed

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I forget which patch it was, but it banned the use of all items. Which was a sad day for max-potions. RIP.

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Originally Posted by Chiami

And in many countries if I could get the IRL identity of such a perpetrator and file with the police they would get a 7am visit from some folks in uniform as it is an act of sexual harassment.

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This really made me laugh sorry, in what countries is something like this classified as sexual harassment? That's completely absurd and sounds like a joke. "sorry mister but we have to take you to interrogation, you made a squat emote in a video game on top of dead body"

FBI OPEN UP

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Originally Posted by Ryphen

I forget which patch it was, but it banned the use of all items. Which was a sad day for max-potions. RIP.

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truth be told , that is the only time ill use them XD

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Originally Posted by Ryphen

I forget which patch it was, but it banned the use of all items. Which was a sad day for max-potions. RIP.

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It was such a bizarre decision, too. Especially when you look at the numerous PvP focused games out there that allow players to use items and emotes to celebrate victory over their opponents. I suspect the development team took the 'easy' route and/or they're just getting told the bad stuff rather than the good stuff on many fronts.

It is scary how horrible people behave today and what little compassion they have for others, it really is.

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Originally Posted by NekoHina

It is scary how horrible people behave today and what little compassion they have for others, it really is.

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It's scary how you can be compared to a rapist because you typed /squats on a player you've killed yet here we are.

I'm unapologetically as progressive as you can come but I also don't like being told I'm sexually assaulting someone because my virtual dress up doll is doing an emote on someone else's virtual dress up doll.

Stuff like this undermines the concerns, worries and stigma of victims. It's not a productive way of discussing how to help victims. It undermines the concerns by making them look 'snowflakey'.


The mods should've deleted this thread several pages ago.

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Originally Posted by Shinklet

It's scary how you can be compared to a rapist because you typed /squats on a player you've killed yet here we are.

I'm unapologetically as progressive as you can come but I also don't like being told I'm sexually assaulting someone because my virtual dress up doll is doing an emote on someone else's virtual dress up doll.

Stuff like this undermines the concerns, worries and stigma of victims. It's not a productive way of discussing how to help victims. It undermines the concerns by making them look 'snowflakey'.


The mods should've deleted this thread several pages ago.

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You seem to forget that there are real people behind the “virtual dress up dolls” as you put it, some who have gone through experiences that no one would wish even on their worst enemy. It is not just a game, it is not just for fun and you cannot justify it simply because emotes and gestures like ‘teabagging’ have been around for a long time. None of those excuses make the behavior acceptable in any way.

You cannot speak on whether or not the OP was sincere in what they said about their experience and the aftermath. You should not call anyone a “special snowflake” or that they were looking “snowflakey” by making the post and the comments they made. NO ONE should. It is a very bad insult even if it is not meant to be.

I agree with you that the mods should have shut down or deleted this thread way back, but not for the same reasons. The callousness of the responses is overwhelming to me and I had no part in any of it. I sympathize with the OP. To many of you the post might have seemed silly, trivial or even possibly trollish. But stop to think ... just for a moment ... that it was a real post, a real person with real feelings and real issues. What does it cost any of you to simply show a bit of humanity and common decency when making a response? Why add to this person’s pain and make light of her/his experiences?

Many of you told the OP to not play PVP or video games in general if they were going to be thin skinned. My question is why should we have to be thick skinned to play? Is it a requirement to act like a jerk these days when playing a video game, especially one that is NOT rated M, not a FPS, not a gorefest, etc.? FFXIV is a nice family friendly game for the most part with no real blood, gore, sex, nudity. Just good vs. evil and lots of side stuff to have fun with. No one should have to EXPECT such crude behavior, nor should it be on us to “learn to deal with it”.

I play PVP right now for the tomes. Overall I enjoy it. I have yet to encounter what the OP did and if it does happens, I will have a GM involved ASAP. That is harassment. For some it can be considered sexual harassment. It shouldn’t be taken so lightly. Think about what is actually being simulated. No, I am not a prude in any way. If I get killed in PVP and someone has the new mount that flashes the pumpkin face on you, I laugh because it is funny. If they use their drake to snort fire or something, again kinda funny. That is lighthearted to me. There is a big difference between that and teabagging or using emotes to simulate something sexual.

I know most of you won’t even read this far and even if you do, you probably will not give a rat’s behind about what I have said. I simply think that this thread is just a sample of the state of the world today. People only seem to care about themselves and how something will affect them. They have no care, no compassion for others...be it an in-game virtual doll or the real person behind that character. Simple kindness, humanity itself seems like too much to ask of most people today. That is a very sad and scary reality. The way people act with others in game is a very good indication of how they are behind the screen, in “real life”. If this thread is a true representation of people in general, then what has become of the world?

Being kind doesn’t cost you anything, whether it is toward a person on the street or a character in game. The rewards can be great though.

Thanks for letting me share my thoughts. I wish the best for you all.

Take care ~~ Hina

It's not like people don't understand that it's to your and your teams disadvantage to squat on a dead enemy in pvp, and also a rude/taunting thing to do. They do. This thread is full of people acknowledging that.

The reason why OP is getting callous responses is due to the wording and undue comparisons to despicable acts like rape or assault. OPs experience is valid and I believe that they did have a strong negative emotional reaction to the event. That is exactly why this thread does not belong here.

They chose to go to the OF and demand for emotes to be banned. If they had stuck with pausing gameplay for the moment and speaking to their mental health professional / trauma therapist about this, things that will actually have a direct positive impact on them, the outcome would be better for everyone.

In addition, people are especially sensitive to the topic of restricting player interaction in pvp since it's become progressively more policed, so there naturally is more pushback.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I solo-ed a WAR as MCH today. Then ran over his corpse repeatedly.

It was a fun time. For me, not him.

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No way did this happen. Unless he was playing with his face.

You're probably going to write some 2000 word essay on what I'm about to say, just know I'm not going to come back to this so don't bother unless your doing it for reputation on here? For w/e reason that be? hmm.

Anyways let me dive into this issue of yours as fast as I can.

If you don't like direct player conflict, don't play combat PvP. Why do I say such a thing? Because its common in Combat PvP. Your going to run into 100's or even 1000's of people like that, and its going to happen even after your reading this. It's best to just develop what I like to call, maturity. Adults don't cry and whine about things children/young adults or even other adults emote them over the internet.

I see this in almost any decent pvp game out there. Its funny tbh, if it hurts you...welllll stay away from it, cuz you cant change people. Good day.

No, they already took away firecrackers.

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Originally Posted by NekoHina

FFXIV is a nice family friendly game for the most part with no real blood, gore, sex, nudity. Just good vs. evil and lots of side stuff to have fun with.

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Are we even playing the same game?