New Mog Station items?

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Originally Posted by Edax

People have a divine right to use their money for evil but we have no right to tell them right from wrong? What kind of message is this?

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Is buying a mount from a cash shop considered evil now? I think you need to take a look at things in your life if that's considered evil.

The cash shop directly helps the devs that's a fact, just look at how shb has done? And look at eso, sure it's pay to play, but it adds hella items to it's shop regularly, sells mini dlcs that are dungeons, sells houses, sells consumables, sells a crap ton of mounts and you can only buy vanilla horses with actual in-game gold, they still charge a lot for a chapter/expansion, and finally they have everyones favorite loot boxes!

You wanna see a bad cash shop there it is. Mogstation doesn't provide even half of that and rarely adds much if they do. It may look big atm, but they have added onto it since arr so ofc it looks like a lot.

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Originally Posted by OMG

How about we encourage them to put more items in game, instead of the cash shop *roll eyes*

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I mean, we do. But the Mogstation isn't going anywhere. So asking for new stuff you know the plan to do regardless doesn't actually hurt anything.

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

The cash shop directly helps the devs that's a fact, just look at how shb has done? And look at eso, sure it's pay to play, but it adds hella items to it's shop regularly, sells mini dlcs that are dungeons, sells houses, sells consumables, sells a crap ton of mounts and you can only buy vanilla horses with actual in-game gold, they still charge a lot for a chapter/expansion, and finally they have everyones favorite loot boxes!

You wanna see a bad cash shop there it is. Mogstation doesn't provide even half of that and rarely adds much if they do. It may look big atm, but they have added onto it since arr so ofc it looks like a lot.

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the issue is that eso plain sucks. eso stopped being good after orsinium, imperical city and when cash shop went out of control and that players used the cash shop to sell crowns for golds.
trade golds, in game currency, to buy crowns.... crowns buy you cash shop items. get it?
eso is a grave yard that relies on cash shop to stay alive. because the game is broken and has nothing to offers. its by far the worst example you could have used to add weight to this debate

these mogstation threads are always a mess

This should be required viewing for anyone looking to defend microtransaction monetization practices because they're "purely optional" and "companies need to make money."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14&t=794s

If for some reason you're not able to handle his crass presentation, this will serve as well and still covers the same scummy business practices behind mtx.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU

Here's the original talk without commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

This is what these corporations who exist to make money think of you. You are a psychological problem to solve to extract maximum money from your wallet.

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Originally Posted by Adrestia

This should be required viewing for anyone looking to defend microtransaction monetization practices because they're "purely optional" and "companies need to make money."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14&t=794s

If for some reason you're not able to handle his crass presentation, this will serve as well and still covers the same scummy business practices behind mtx.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU

Here's the original talk without commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

This is what these corporations who exist to make money think of you. You are a psychological problem to solve to extract maximum money from your wallet.

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It tickles me that these people get so bent out of shape over something that literally has no impact on them. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Adrestia

This should be required viewing for anyone looking to defend microtransaction monetization practices because they're "purely optional" and "companies need to make money."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14&t=794s

If for some reason you're not able to handle his crass presentation, this will serve as well and still covers the same scummy business practices behind mtx.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU

Here's the original talk without commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

This is what these corporations who exist to make money think of you. You are a psychological problem to solve to extract maximum money from your wallet.

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I mean, I get it. But I don't really see such business practices here. We don't have loot boxes or boosters (like increased gil gain, more exp per kill, etc), which is what most of this refers to. Would I love being able to obtain everything in game? Of course. But a mount or outfit here and there isn't that big of a deal. In the mobile gaming industry, they thrive off of people who want things now, and will pay whatever they can to get them as fast as possible. That is where this issue you've brought up is the most prevalent.

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Originally Posted by DonovanLifeweaver

the issue is that eso plain sucks. eso stopped being good after orsinium, imperical city and when cash shop went out of control and that players used the cash shop to sell crowns for golds.
trade golds, in game currency, to buy crowns.... crowns buy you cash shop items. get it?
eso is a grave yard that relies on cash shop to stay alive. because the game is broken and has nothing to offers. its by far the worst example you could have used to add weight to this debate

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Wait wait wait, I agree it sucks as I tried to get into it 5 times but the combat and shop turn me off. But you can use crowns for gold now in eso?

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Originally Posted by Adrestia

This should be required viewing for anyone looking to defend microtransaction monetization practices because they're "purely optional" and "companies need to make money."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14&t=794s

If for some reason you're not able to handle his crass presentation, this will serve as well and still covers the same scummy business practices behind mtx.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU

Here's the original talk without commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

This is what these corporations who exist to make money think of you. You are a psychological problem to solve to extract maximum money from your wallet.

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Are you really so ignorant to post something that has literally nothing to do with the Mog Station? Have you even watched those videos? They are speaking of predatory micro transactions and loot boxes. Neither of which you will find in the Mog Station.

Predatory meaning, they offer items that grant you the chance to progress or you're stuck, or a lottery type system to grant you an item, with a low percentage of getting anything good.

Holy moly that is just plain stupidity on your part to even link such things as if they've any correlation to the Mog Station. Ya, tell me how that decorative outfit for your glamour or how a mount breaks the game into your favor. Fantasia are actually wanted by others as well.

But wait, you'll bring up the job skip! That bypasses the content! Yes and no, it's mostly for those leveling jobs or having issues with it, honestly just a time saver and not much of one. And leveling said job doesn't give you any impact greater then the player who spent the few hours to level it instead.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

It tickles me that these people get so bent out of shape over something that literally has no impact on them. Ever.

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Heroin has literally no impact on me. Ever. I still think it's an important social problem.

Besides that, I don't believe at all that mtx shops have no impact on me. The entire industry is shifting and has shifted due to excessive monetization practices. Games today are designed in completely different ways specifically because of the allure of microtransaction profit.

I'm really hoping to see the summer stuff from last year or whatever. I hate that I missed them. The sandals, the top, the sunglasses, the booty shorts. I need them. Right now.

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Originally Posted by Adrestia

This should be required viewing for anyone looking to defend microtransaction monetization practices because they're "purely optional" and "companies need to make money."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14&t=794s

If for some reason you're not able to handle his crass presentation, this will serve as well and still covers the same scummy business practices behind mtx.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU

Here's the original talk without commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

This is what these corporations who exist to make money think of you. You are a psychological problem to solve to extract maximum money from your wallet.

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Hun the mogstation in no way acts like mobile mtx schemes... bit reaching there...

If SE added loot boxes you think people'd here defend it? They handle the store respectfully by not putting 80-95% of all cosmetics in it, unlike eso.

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Originally Posted by Adrestia

This should be required viewing for anyone looking to defend microtransaction monetization practices because they're "purely optional" and "companies need to make money."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S-DGTBZU14&t=794s

If for some reason you're not able to handle his crass presentation, this will serve as well and still covers the same scummy business practices behind mtx.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ywdh1on_HU

Here's the original talk without commentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNjI03CGkb4

This is what these corporations who exist to make money think of you. You are a psychological problem to solve to extract maximum money from your wallet.

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Sure I would agree with you if the mogstation was anything like the cash shops in AAA games but it isn't. All the items are cosmetic and gives you zero advantage, as well as you get what you paid for i.e random chance like loot boxes. If you want to buy items from the mogstation cool, if not cool. It doesn't affect me in anyway if someone goes out and buys a cosmetic outfit or a mount.

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

Hun the mogstation in no way acts like mobile mtx schemes... bit reaching there...

If SE added loot boxes you think people'd here defend it? They handle the store respectfully by not putting 80-95% of all cosmetics in it, unlike eso.

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They still add to it more than I would like, but yeah it could definitely be so much worse. ESO's cash shop is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I mean, I get it. But I don't really see such business practices here. We don't have loot boxes or boosters (like increased gil gain, more exp per kill, etc), which is what most of this refers to. Would I love being able to obtain everything in game? Of course. But a mount or outfit here and there isn't that big of a deal. In the mobile gaming industry, they thrive off of people who want things now, and will pay whatever they can to get them as fast as possible. That is where this issue you've brought up is the most prevalent.

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It's Just Cosmetic

We joke that glamour is the true end-game but there is some truth in it.

People want their characters to look cool/stand-out in a virtual world.

I'm ok with regional exclusives and previous event items being locked to the Mog Station but I do think in a game that you buy to play and pay to play, there should be an emphasis on earning such items through achievements in-game.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

Are you really so ignorant to post something that has literally nothing to do with the Mog Station? Have you even watched those videos? They are speaking of predatory micro transactions and loot boxes. Neither of which you will find in the Mog Station.

Predatory meaning, they offer items that grant you the chance to progress or you're stuck

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https://imgur.com/hgzRMm9

But wait, you'll bring up the job skip! That bypasses the content! Yes and no, it's mostly for those leveling jobs or having issues with it, honestly just a time saver and not much of one. And leveling said job doesn't give you any impact greater then the player who spent the few hours to level it instead.[/QUOTE]

https://imgur.com/ADdPi5s

They know job skips aren't competitive advantage. They're convenience. The top target in the same video where he explicitly states the vast majority of your (the game developer's) revenue will come from.

This applies perfectly well, you just have to be willing to think about it instead of snapping off how SE would never be like that.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They still add to it more than I would like, but yeah it could definitely be so much worse. ESO's cash shop is ridiculous.

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Oh my God yes! ESO's cash shop is horrendous, and makes me never want to play it. The only thing good out of the game is the sub, their sub is a decent value considering with the crafting bag, and access to all DLC w/o purchase. The lootboxes and "limited time cash grabs at ridiculous prices are scary bad. It's all based around buying more and more and more, you can buy the stuff you want out of the lootbox directly by like dismantling or whatever the stuff you got out of it, so the intent is to get you to buy more and more and more and more.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

It's Just Cosmetic

We joke that glamour is the true end-game but there is some truth in it.

People want their characters to look cool/stand-out in a virtual world.

I'm ok with regional exclusives and previous event items being locked to the Mog Station but I do think in a game that you buy to play and pay to play, there should be an emphasis on earning such items through achievements in-game.

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I respect your opinion and generally agree with it. But the fact remains that the cash shop exists, and they will continue to add to it as long as it remains profitable (so basically, for years and years). So...like it or not, it is here to stay. And they add way more to the game than the Mogstation with every patch. Obviously I would prefer they would add less, but so long as it does indeed remain largely cosmetic, I don't care. Businesses gonna business.

I see some posters are continuing their established track record of trying to turn everything into some sort of weird moral issue.

The game isn't going to crash and burn due to the presence of optional items. There's a lot of people, myself included, who are more than willing to throw extra money at the game for various reasons.

It's also our money to do with as we please.

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Originally Posted by Adrestia

https://imgur.com/hgzRMm9

But wait, you'll bring up the job skip! That bypasses the content! Yes and no, it's mostly for those leveling jobs or having issues with it, honestly just a time saver and not much of one. And leveling said job doesn't give you any impact greater then the player who spent the few hours to level it instead.

https://imgur.com/ADdPi5s

They know job skips aren't competitive advantage. They're convenience. The top target in the same video where he explicitly states the vast majority of your (the game developer's) revenue will come from.

This applies perfectly well, you just have to be willing to think about it instead of snapping off how SE would never be like that.

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Again your ignorance knows no bounds. The convenience aspect is specified, even in the videos, on limiting you to a dead halt. To then offer a pass with a minor cost.

Candy Crush and other mobile games is the focus of this. Run out of lives? For only a few cents we can get you going once more! Can't get the level? Try these bonus items that could help you get past it!... maybe...

I mean I hate to be rude and mean, but it's a field I've sadly had experience in, in the past. I know the definitions, how the exploit people of their money little by little. It's not something I'm proud of, but what you're doing is reaching for anything to try and look like you're in the right for your opinion, which is all it is, not a fact.

Edit: And again, the complaint of the video is loot boxes. Most of the items we can get from events, if missed the event can get in the store. When SE brings loot boxes in FFXIV, then I'll see a reason to complain.

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Originally Posted by Edax

People have a divine right to use their money for evil but we have no right to tell them right from wrong? What kind of message is this?

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What is evil about buying a mount?

This person literally thinks me having a White Devil is evil incarnate. Look at that.

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

Wait wait wait, I agree it sucks as I tried to get into it 5 times but the combat and shop turn me off. But you can use crowns for gold now in eso?

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trade crowns for gold to another players so other players can buy cash shop items, gametime or expansions that comes out every 3 weeks. rmt 101
its an encouraged behavior protected by zenimax and bethesda.
thats how the game stays alive and thrives as THE number one cash grab game on the market

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Oh my God yes! ESO's cash shop is horrendous, and makes me never want to play it. The only thing good out of the game is the sub, their sub is a decent value considering with the crafting bag, and access to all DLC w/o purchase. The lootboxes and "limited time cash grabs at ridiculous prices are scary bad. It's all based around buying more and more and more, you can buy the stuff you want out of the lootbox directly by like dismantling or whatever the stuff you got out of it, so the intent is to get you to buy more and more and more and more.

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ESO also lets you play the game for free if you want. So them trying to get you to spend a lot in the shop is really not that bad IMO. I do agree that the loot boxes are a joke, but that aside, I think a lot of the packages they offer are not bad deals.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

People here believe that buying things from the Mogstation is evil. They have literally lost their minds.

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It's interesting how those same individuals never seem to be willing to take a hard stance themselves by not supporting the game in any way. I doubt they feel as strongly about the issue as they claim, I suspect it's just an excuse for them to lash out at those who have a disposable income and/or a willingness to use it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's interesting how those same individuals never seem to be willing to take a hard stance themselves by not supporting the game in any way. I doubt they feel as strongly about the issue as they claim, I suspect it's just an excuse for them to lash out at those who have a disposable income and/or a willingness to use it.

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I'm going to choose to believe this. Its really the best way to give them the benefit of the doubt at this point.

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Originally Posted by HumanNinjaToo

ESO also lets you play the game for free if you want. So them trying to get you to spend a lot in the shop is really not that bad IMO. I do agree that the loot boxes are a joke, but that aside, I think a lot of the packages they offer are not bad deals.

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yeah free to play but you cant do squats if you dont spit real cash in the cash shop ;) dont hide facts to make your wasted points looks better.

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Originally Posted by HumanNinjaToo

ESO also lets you play the game for free if you want. So them trying to get you to spend a lot in the shop is really not that bad IMO. I do agree that the loot boxes are a joke, but that aside, I think a lot of the packages they offer are not bad deals.

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Last time I played I had to buy the game, pay for the expansion, pay for the next expansion, and they still nickel and dime with loot box garbage. They put stuff on the cash shop, then they take it away (granted they are up for awhile usually) and lock them in lootboxes or occasionally take them out and make it a high priced "limited deal" or whatever. It's ridiculous. It's false supply and demand, a big scheme.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

I'm going to choose to believe this. Its really the best way to give them the benefit of the doubt at this point.

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You're free to believe that, because it seems really popular for people to minimize this into some kind of a rich vs poor argument. To me, it's a quality of the game industry argument. Since I fell in love with video games over The Legend of Zelda in the early 90s, basically as soon as I was old enough to understand what I was doing, I've seen more and more things that used to be in-game rewards turn into cash shop money grabs. I've seen game designs overall shift towards patterns where a little "convenience" sounds like an amazing relief from grinds that have been intentionally made monotonous to encourage that spend. We called all of this back with Horse Armor and look, everything we shouted from the rooftops back then, that was decried as "doom and gloom," is coming to pass across more and more of the industry.

No, I don't think a person is evil for buying from the mog station. I don't know who that quote was attributed to. But I do think that it would be great if we weren't being cultured into asking for new cash shop items instead of asking for ingame content. Frankly astounding amounts of time and money have been poured into marketing, psychological and sociological study and manipulation, and normalization of mtx economies. It would be silly to think that a buyer is "evil" because marketing worked on them. That's the point of marketing.

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Originally Posted by Komarimono

No, it means if they feel they have disposable income, they are free to do whatever they want with it. They can use it to go out to eat instead of cooking at home, go to a movie, buy a car, spend money in the mog station.

If you lack the disposable income, does not warrant a reason to dislike them because they do. It's their job, life and choices, not yours. Hence god given right as the idiom.

Examples of Idioms: Seeing the Light, Raining cats and dogs, I'm all ears, kill two birds with one stone. If you do not understand it by now, then you are hopeless and need to spend a bit of time, a minute or two, or research it.

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God-given right
A special privilege or authority bestowed upon someone by a higher power. - https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/a+God-given+right

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Last time I played I had to buy the game, pay for the expansion, pay for the next expansion, and they still nickel and dime with loot box garbage. They put stuff on the cash shop, then they take it away (granted they are up for awhile usually) and lock them in lootboxes or occasionally take them out and make it a high priced "limited deal" or whatever. It's ridiculous. It's false supply and demand, a big scheme.

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Eww... makes me glad I didn't support them after the purchase. Worst 10 buts I ever spent...

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Originally Posted by Edax

God-given right
A special privilege or authority bestowed upon someone by a higher power. - https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/a+God-given+right

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And who are you to decide what religion they follow, if you're really so brazen to go down that path. If they are of the Christian, Catholic, Jewish and many other faiths, then yes it is their god given right to do whatever they want with their finances. And way to show the everyone who reads this thread how silly you look to even try and go that way as your argument.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Last time I played I had to buy the game, pay for the expansion, pay for the next expansion, and they still nickel and dime with loot box garbage. They put stuff on the cash shop, then they take it away (granted they are up for awhile usually) and lock them in lootboxes or occasionally take them out and make it a high priced "limited deal" or whatever. It's ridiculous. It's false supply and demand, a big scheme.

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Perhaps, but these days any game that allows for micro transactions has a hard time not being sleezy when it comes to what they offer you for that $$. I haven't gone back to the game in probably a year now. But I do like that you can pop in, for free, just to do your crafting dailies and things of that nature without having to pay for a whole month of service. Then if I want to play the new expansion, I pay the monthly sub fee and get access to all the new goodies. For the most part I've stayed away from ESO shop, but I do feel some of the more stable/available packs are worth some investment for people who do not pay the monthly sub.

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Originally Posted by Kaethra

People in this thread are showing another example of this community's low tier attitude of 'I don't want you to have what you'd like, so you can't have it."

If people want to purchase unique cosmetic items. Then they should be allowed to do so. Its their God given right to use their money how they wish. No one has any right to tell them they are wrong. Period.

If anyone is jealous or envious, they can bottle that up and shove it. No one cares.

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buying mogstation items for YOU. approved
buying mogstation items and sellling them to other players for gils: INSTANT BAN NO QUESTIONS ASKED. delete account, block credit card and block static ip

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Originally Posted by DonovanLifeweaver

buying mogstation items for YOU. approved
buying mogstation items and sellling them to other players for gils: INSTANT BAN NO QUESTIONS ASKED. delete account, block credit card and block static ip

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I never made a statement about selling them on the MB. It had nothing to do with the context here. My opinion on that would be irrelevant. Just as the opinion of someone suggesting I have religious connotations is also irrelevant. Both cases they are free to make fools about themselves and continue. That's their God given right. I'll take the high road and recognize that.

11 page poop-show from one innocent question.. it's like I'm on tumblr!

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

I really hope it's that floaty Korean dress. If it is, instant buy haha.

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According to Garlond Tools, The Far Eastern Officer and Maiden sets are next.

Yeah, I would prefer the "Floaty" Korean dress for my catgirl, too. But only for the shoes.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

We pay a subscription every month
this isn't a F2P game.

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F2P = P2W

Mega facts.

FFXIV's cash shop is the most non-threatening, non-predatory cash shop to ever exist in the MMO industry. And with that said, I find the items in that shop to be incredibly bland and boring. I bought the Nezha outfit cuz the jacket looked cool but that's just about it. Mogstation is very underwhelming.

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Originally Posted by LLSmoothJ

According to Garlond Tools, The Far Eastern Officer and Maiden sets are next.

Yeah, I would prefer the "Floaty" Korean dress for my catgirl, too. But only for the shoes.

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I'm being told we're likely never gonna get it... Which is a shame, it's a set I really really want.