What do you do with a Blacklist full?

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

If it's no ones business, why are they posting about it in a public forum?

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They were asking alternatives to the 200 person blacklist limit not for a diagnosis

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

They were asking alternatives to the 200 person blacklist limit not for a diagnosis

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Awha

As someone with many issues, it is not the responsibility of strangers to assume such things and plan their responses accordingly.

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Sure it isn't, but at the same time I think we should all take time to word our responses to people with a bit of patience and kindness and attempt to understand when interacting with total strangers, For example what one person would consider normal banter in a game another might get deeply hurt over, maybe even suicidal.

I'm just saying understanding why someone might be over-sensitive is a lot better than just going "you have a problem, get over it"

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Then they should be asking the developers, not making a post about it in general discussion. This is a place where players come to... discuss things. Last I checked, none of us will be able to give them additional blacklist space. The only thing we can do is offer advice about how THEY can handle the problem differently.

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Actually the in game notes for the Suggest a Feature section in Active Help recommend posting suggestions to the FFXIV General Discussion section of the forums.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Then they should be asking the developers, not making a post about it in general discussion. This is a place where players come to... discuss things. Last I checked, none of us will be able to give them additional blacklist space. The only thing we can do is offer advice about how THEY can handle the problem differently.

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I thought I'd mentioned it in my OP, maybe I didn't. But I did try to contact SE via the in game Support Desk. This was not filed under harassment or cheating, it was done under contact a GM followed by submitting a general inquiry. To which I got a beep boop robotic response of them being unable to help with in game features and not at all related to what I asked. Followed by, "Speaking with other members of our community can also be helpful. In addition to having in-game conversations, you are also welcome to use our Official Forums."

I came here not for psychology, nonchalance and accusations. I came here for theorizing solutions, possible solutions and suggestions/feedback from those who could have had a similar problem. Even in the minor pool that is the forum community.

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Originally Posted by Gula

There are many a children in /shout and for hunts/fate spawn call outs, I shouldn't have to keep a whole form of player communication off because some kids are being dumb.

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well that's your problem right there, the blacklist tool shouldn't be your go to solution for the common rabble or to not to see people calling out for hunts or fates, and I doubt SE would actually increase the number since its quite a low priority and not that many people actually fill their entire list

(also whats dumb about that? I mean I rather like to see call outs for hunts or players asking for help for a fate or those want to create / find a fate-train than dead silence and confusion....)

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Originally Posted by Gula

I thought I'd mentioned it in my OP, maybe I didn't. But I did try to contact SE via the in game Support Desk. This was not filed under harassment or cheating, it was done under contact a GM followed by submitting a general inquiry. To which I got a beep boop robotic response of them being unable to help with in game features and not at all related to what I asked. Followed by, "Speaking with other members of our community can also be helpful. In addition to having in-game conversations, you are also welcome to use our Official Forums."

I came here not for psychology, nonchalance and accusations. I came here for theorizing solutions, possible solutions and suggestions/feedback from those who could have had a similar problem. Even in the minor pool that is the forum community.

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Thing is, you've been given alternatives. Not liking the solution does not mean it's not a solution. Some of the replies could be phrased more diplomatically, but the answer is the same. The internet helps the way the internet helps. Sometimes that's a blunt type of help.

No offense but if you're blacklisting that many people then you may want to consider if the problem lies with you.

I suppose they never considered this scenario where 200 is not enough. I’ve played since the beginning and my blacklist is tiny as I’ve only blisted a small number of trolls and RMT, but they are two things that go away and I can unblacklist because trolls get bored and bots get eliminated and later replaced by a new one you want to blist.

It is very rare that you come across the same obnoxious player twice, unless you’re in the same community. So I don’t blist everybody that rubs me the wrong way, I might just leave it for especially bad people or those I am more likely to reencounter.

I have to wonder when I see players who comment that their blacklist is full.

I’ve been playing for 3.5 years, and my blacklist has maybe 20 people on it—very few stay on there. Most are from shoddy PF runs, and I just don’t want them joining my PFs for a while after dealing with them, but they eventually get cleared out. I have about 5 people that actively stay on there each time I clear it out, and that’s only because I can specifically remember why I added them in the first place. If I can’t remember why the person is on my blacklist, it’s likely they’ll be deleted from it.

If you’re blacklisting any sort of RMT sellers, there’s no need. They disappear fairly quickly. If you’re blacklisting obnoxious people in say/shout/yell chat, might I suggest just making a separate chat tab that hides these channels from view? I have one channel that only has my FC, LS, and party/alliance chat in it for that specific reason. Likewise, you can blacklist them for the day, and then remove them before you log off for the day so as your blacklist isn’t full with needless clutter. If you can no longer remember why a specific individual is on your blacklist, it would probably be best to delete them from it and clear out space for people that you can actually recall why they’re on there in the first place.

I shame the Futa rp'ers in Shout chat to get them to blacklist me of course.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

I shame the Futa rp'ers in Shout chat to get them to blacklist me of course.

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Kinda arbitrary though?, ERPers don’t tend to do it in public and is not an indicator of a bad player or a toxic person. Sure it may be a bit weird to most people, but eh, I don’t see them doing no harm and to each their own. Even as an RPer who isn’t a part of the ERP community this isn’t a problem I run into, so I expect even less of a problem for everybody else. Maybe I’ve only ran into it once in the many years I’ve played this game, where somebody was publically ERPing.

If you fill 200 names in your blacklist so fast, maybe the problem isn't the blacklist.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Then they should be asking the developers, not making a post about it in general discussion. This is a place where players come to... discuss things. Last I checked, none of us will be able to give them additional blacklist space. The only thing we can do is offer advice about how THEY can handle the problem differently.

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Oh please... Tryhards responding with "The problem's not the blacklist but you" are not discussing in any shape and manner. They are simply obnoxious and probably proud of their oh-so witty/funny/snarky comment.

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Originally Posted by Mahoukenshi

Oh please... Tryhards responding with "The problem's not the blacklist but you" are not discussing in any shape and manner. They are simply obnoxious and probably proud of their oh-so witty/funny/snarky comment.

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Comments like yours are of less help than people pointing out that the issue may not be limited space of the blacklist. Your comment appears to have no other purpose than to rile people up, to be confrontational.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

If you fill 200 names in your blacklist so fast, maybe the problem isn't the blacklist.

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I don't have 200 people on my blacklist. Was my OP not clear on that? Or maybe I worded things that alluded that I did, to which I do not. And for that, I apologize.

I came up with this theory as I watched the chat while waiting for FATES as well as NN. I am not speaking from a subjective POV either, people were posting ToS breaking comments. What people find offensive is subjective, yes. But I'm not referring to snark that can be taken either way. I am talking about actually messed up things that while I would like to parrot, I'd prefer to avoid a ban.

And thus, I sought answers in game. I got none. What I'm seeing is some chain reaction from comment to comment that have given me some crazed mentality to others and my words taken the wrong way.

[Edit] Inb4 that's proof of me being too sensitive. Look up yonder for the whole discussion on mental illness.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I don't have 200 people on my blacklist. Was my OP not clear on that? Or maybe I worded things that alluded that I did, to which I do not. And for that, I apologize.

I came up with this theory as I watched the chat while waiting for FATES as well as NN. I am not speaking from a subjective POV either, people were posting ToS breaking comments. What people find offensive is subjective, yes. But I'm not referring to snark that can be taken either way. I am talking about actually messed up things that while I would like to parrot, I'd prefer to avoid a ban.

And thus, I sought answers in game. I got none. What I'm seeing is some chain reaction from comment to comment that have given me some crazed mentality to others and my words taken the wrong way.

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I usually leave NN at first opportunity. I know on Siren, it's basically a clique of mentors who have a gaggle of sycophants. Not much help happens in the NN on Siren. I've heard much the same about most other worlds' NN.

As for thinking you have a crazed mentality, I personally would not say that. I think your approach isn't the best one, but I don't think you're crazy or unbalanced (at least no more so than the rest of us :p ). That's why my advice included considering perspective as something to change.

If your blacklist is full, learn to get along with other people better.

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Originally Posted by Gula

I don't have 200 people on my blacklist. Was my OP not clear on that? Or maybe I worded things that alluded that I did, to which I do not. And for that, I apologize.

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You do not need apologize.

The one-liner I gave is meant for something much long to say: if you (not "you", let's say "someone") find 200 names in the black list too few, the problem is to be searched elsewhere than the length of a list. Do really someone had to deal with so much people he don't want be sure meet again anymore?
Then the approach is maybe not correct. Some behaviour is reportable to SE (so, no need of blacklist), some other is not, and here the black list helps him a bit.

If someone want blacklist all and everything player who /shout anything he deem inopportune but it is not rule-breaking, his best option is turn off shouts. Or, live in a community and let them pass. If they are not bad things towards him, let them pass.

If I don't like jogging, I cannot walk in a park and tell everyone who does to stop.

And if someone still want keep on his crusade against all and everything he don't like and he fills the 200 spots, he still can delete the old names to make room for the new ones.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Kinda arbitrary though?, ERPers don’t tend to do it in public and is not an indicator of a bad player or a toxic person. Sure it may be a bit weird to most people, but eh, I don’t see them doing no harm and to each their own. Even as an RPer who isn’t a part of the ERP community this isn’t a problem I run into, so I expect even less of a problem for everybody else. Maybe I’ve only ran into it once in the many years I’ve played this game, where somebody was publically ERPing.

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The problem lies with the fact its just people on alts pretending to be RP'ers to Troll. Like they make a stereotypical character (or what they think the FFXIV rp'ers RP) and do it to troll.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Sure it isn't, but at the same time I think we should all take time to word our responses to people with a bit of patience and kindness and attempt to understand when interacting with total strangers, For example what one person would consider normal banter in a game another might get deeply hurt over, maybe even suicidal.

I'm just saying understanding why someone might be over-sensitive is a lot better than just going "you have a problem, get over it"

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This is coming from someone like yourself who suffers from a myriad issues. I agree it would nice, but it is all extremely unrealistic and so sort of a moot point in all of this. Here is the issue we do have problems, and in the grand scheme to most who do not know or suffer from said problems personally it is simply a get over it issue. Since that is how most people without our problems handle it by getting over it. Asking the general public how we with problems should handle something is honestly insane, and expecting the general public to cater their responses to us and consider our problems which many do not understand is selfish in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Awha

This is coming from someone like yourself who suffers from a myriad issues. I agree it would nice, but it is all extremely unrealistic and so sort of a moot point in all of this. Here is the issue we do have problems, and in the grand scheme to most who do not know or suffer from said problems personally it is simply a get over it issue. Since that is how most people without our problems handle it by getting over it. Asking the general public how we with problems should handle something is honestly insane, and expecting the general public to cater their responses to us and consider our problems which many do not understand is selfish in my opinion.

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Welp, thanks for calling me selfish and insane, so much for trying to have a reasonable, level headed dialog without resorting to insults.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Welp, thanks for calling me selfish and insane, so much for trying to have a reasonable, level headed dialog without resorting to insults.

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Sorry, this comes with my own issues I do not view calling the actions someone takes and crazy as a personal insult. For example I enjoy skateboarding, and I tend to do dangerous things, my family tells me all the time that was crazy, I do not take that as me being crazy unless they outright say I am crazy. Just how I am, and often forget others are not the same. Did not mean you were insane or selfish just the action itself is insane and selfish.

In short I only view statements that were personally made at me as an insult, and for some odd reason I do not tie an action to a person but that may have to do with my past and how shady my family is. Either way I apologize was not my intent for you to think of it as an insult, I was referring to your actions not as a person.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Sorry, this comes with my own issues I do not view calling the actions someone takes and crazy as a personal insult. For example I enjoy skateboarding, and I tend to do dangerous things, my family tells me all the time that was crazy, I do not take that as me being crazy unless they outright say I am crazy. Just how I am, and often forget others are not the same. Did not mean you were insane or selfish just the action itself is insane and selfish.

In short I only view statements that were personally made at me as an insult, and for some odd reason I do not tie an action to a person but that may have to do with my past and how shady my family is. Either way I apologize was not my intent for you to think of it as an insult, I was referring to your actions not as a person.

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Apology accepted, and honestly its not so much that I want to be treated this way, I'm not in that place in life anymore and I'm thankful for it, its that I've been in that place, I know how it made me feel when people talked to me that way, I don't want others to go through it, sure I know asking people to be kind and understanding is idealistic and naive, but I its how I try to be my life and how I try to interact with others in the game in hopes my kindness shown to them might extend to others and so on and so forth.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

I shame the Futa rp'ers in Shout chat to get them to blacklist me of course.

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If you ever see public ERP that is so describing that you can tell what they have under their smallclothes, report it instead and do the entirety of Balmung a favor, no one likes public ERPers, not even other ERPers.

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Originally Posted by SerLuke

Apology accepted, and honestly its not so much that I want to be treated this way, I'm not in that place in life anymore and I'm thankful for it, its that I've been in that place, I know how it made me feel when people talked to me that way, I don't want others to go through it, sure I know asking people to be kind and understanding is idealistic and naive, but I its how I try to be my life and how I try to interact with others in the game in hopes my kindness shown to them might extend to others and so on and so forth.

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I get where you are coming from, but I still stand by my mindset that A) if the OP does suffer from certain issues coming to a general forum expecting help that does not boil down to get over it is insane (in the sense of shocking; outrageous). B) Expecting otherwise is extremely selfish. That is just my view on the matter, though the way I got stable with my issues differs from some, I simply came to terms with that fact that the only person I have control over is myself everyone else is outside my bubble. As such only things that I "try" to let impact my mood and state of mind are things that are in my control and I am personally able to take action to change.

Clear the list and start over...
Why do you have so many people blacklisted?
I think I have 4 and they are RMT that got onto Balmung. That I just never cleared off after reporting them and waiting a day or 2.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

Clear the list and start over...
Why do you have so many people blacklisted?
I think I have 4 and they are RMT that got onto Balmung. That I just never cleared off after reporting them and waiting a day or 2.

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zoop badoop

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Originally Posted by Gula

I don't have 200 people on my blacklist. Was my OP not clear on that? Or maybe I worded things that alluded that I did, to which I do not. And for that, I apologize.

I came up with this theory as I watched the chat while waiting for FATES as well as NN.

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I’ve played MMOs long enough to say with 100% confidence that if your blacklist is full, the problem is probably you.

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If blacklists kept you from getting queued up with people on them in roulettes, I could see needing a greatly expanded one.

As it is though., I can only imagine you'd have to be the kind of person who is either offended at everything or who instigates in an attempt to get responses.

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As for "blatant transphobic posts", I can't take accusations like this seriously considering that anyone that doesn't automatically agree with someone saying they are trans is labeled as transphobic. It's been tossed around to the point it has no meaning.

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Yeah, Ive found the "offended by everything" crowd and the "if you dont fully support every thought and action I take you're an X-ist and should be murdered irl and/or never have a job again" crowd have a fantastically large overlap.

One thing that I would love to be added is 'delete all from black list'.

I black list bots regularly to reduce the spam on the screen when looking at marketboards etc and used to not clean out the black list until I noticed it was full. By the time the list is full perhaps 90% of the names on the list are banned/removed and the rest aren't a concern any more.