Genderlock reminder to SE

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

let me start a thread on my interests and start calling anyone who disagrees with me "petty" because my thread doesn't personally interest them.

wanting the genderlock removed is putting your personal wants above mine.

we are all FFxiv's players.

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No one asking for the genderlock to be removed is asking for the things you care about to be neglected though. You're just assuming that would happen, but we have no reason to believe it would.

Probably safe to assume they're painfully aware of this now.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

No one asking for the genderlock to be removed is asking for the things you care about to be neglected though. You're just assuming that would happen, but we have no reason to believe it would.

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I wasn't aware Square was allocating an infinite budget to this project. The more you know.

"but we have no reason to believe it would"

Well..... see the above. Making things costs money. Assuming their budget has a limit. Doing something with the money means it can't be spent on something else.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Probably safe to assume they're painfully aware of this now.

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How about them Eureka threads?



Only their response will tell, in the end. but rather than focus on one race or another, there is a doscussiom to be had about genderlocking can affect more than just character creation and cut unto the race's society and the player's perceptions of each race as the writers and devs have to justify their limitation over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

No one asking for the genderlock to be removed is asking for the things you care about to be neglected though. You're just assuming that would happen, but we have no reason to believe it would.

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actually, we do. Listen to the reasons why Yoshi said we don't have both gendered races ready for Shadowbringers. He said "there wasnt enough time to add everything" [paraphrasing, there were many interviews about this] . we can then infer it takes quite an effort to develop the models, animations, assets, character creation, equipment models...etc.

So yes, I do think we have reason to believe this will take away dev time from other projects they have planned for Shadowbringers. Removing genderlock is not like flipping a switch, its literally creating 2 new character models.

Every time a gender lock thread is made Yoshi-p kills a kitten.

https://tinyurl.com/y2ctddvd

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

actually, we do. Listen to the reasons why Yoshi said we don't have both gendered races ready for Shadowbringers. He said "there wasnt enough time to add everything" [paraphrasing, there were many interviews about this] . we can then infer it takes quite an effort to develop the models, animations, assets, character creation, equipment models...etc.

So yes, I do think we have reason to believe this will take away dev time from other projects they have planned for Shadowbringers. Removing genderlock is not like flipping a switch, its literally creating 2 new character models.

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Or SE could allocate more budget/staff to the project so that Yoshi could do it without impacting the rest of the project. That would be the ideal solution here. We're hoping that the fan outcry will let Yoshi request the additional resources from SE. We're not expecting them to cancel other parts of the game to remove the genderlocks. That's just silly.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Or SE could allocate more budget/staff to the project

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Or SE could allocate more budget/staff to the project so that Yoshi could do it without impacting the rest of the project. That would be the ideal solution here. We're hoping that the fan outcry will let Yoshi request the additional resources from SE. We're not expecting them to cancel other parts of the game to remove the genderlocks. That's just silly.

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Are you for real? I'm not joking, really asking this.
We are 2 months away from the expansion and you want them to allocate more resources and deviate from the planned release , working schedule?
Do you even realize what you're asking, or just think that if you "build it, they will come" scenario is at hand?




Dear god, we have reached the pinnacle of entitlement.

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Originally Posted by cougarel

Are you for real? I'm not joking, really asking this.
We are 2 months away from the expansion and you want them to allocate more resources and deviate from the planned release , working schedule?
Do you even realize what you're asking, or just think that if you "build it, they will come" scenario is at hand?




Dear god, we have reached the pinnacle of entitlement.

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Where did I say I wanted it done in 2 months? That's just crazy. Removing the genderlocks is a long term goal. No way it is happening in time for Shadowbringers launch, might not even happen before 6.0. Please stop assuming things.

Then my friend, when you start something, you see it to the end.
You come and provide detailed feedback, not just make a straw man poll and then go cry that people assume something and you clearly are going that way.
And no, i'm not assuming, read what you wrote.

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Originally Posted by cougarel

Are you for real? I'm not joking, really asking this.
We are 2 months away from the expansion and you want them to allocate more resources and deviate from the planned release , working schedule?
Do you even realize what you're asking, or just think that if you "build it, they will come" scenario is at hand?




Dear god, we have reached the pinnacle of entitlement.

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You need to read comments properly. Take your time.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

You need to read comments properly. Take your time.

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Yea, don't get where she got I wanted it done before launch. Sounds like she just wants something to overreact to. lol

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Maybe not the majority, but a large enough number to be significant at least. The majority is probably indifferent. That's how it usually works. Very few people actual support the genderlock though, because why would you? More options is good for everyone. The only people who vocally support a genderlock are doing so out of pettiness, because they know people want something they don't care about and want to trash it. :v

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Orrr…. we acknowledge that the all female Viera and all male Hrothgar are being implemented without being able to show headgear, which means they barely had enough time to get them out by expansion release, and with that in mind we'd' much rather the dev team focus on other things that actually affect gameplay. We also acknowledge how much time and hard work they go through and commend them for it instead of condemn them for lack of completed races, which we find to be far more petty.

Comments like yours that make assumptions is exactly where those who support genderlock (i.e. support the dev team's decision) get the impression that you lot are just a bunch of self-entitled, bickering babies who can't actually post anything of merit. What we see is that many players want more options, and we indeed did get two more of them, and many of you are still unhappy. But that within itself is ok. It's ok to be disappointed that there are no male Viera and female Hrothgar. However, mongering comments such as yours make you come off as severely unappreciative of what the devs have to go through and the very game you're playing.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Sounds like she just wants something to overreact to. lol

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i feel a lot of people would share this feeling about this entire thread and similar threads.

but in case my joke didn't land [yoshi drinking wine], SE allocating more resources to Yoshi is less likely to happen than Yoshi shuffling things around down the pipeline so that they can add these races at some point in the future. what else will get delayed to make this happen? no one knows but the dev team. I stand by not complaining about losing things that were not given, so I we'll get what we get when we get it. and to throw my 2c in, I'm really looking forward to female viera and what creation options we have.

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Originally Posted by zeylos

playerbase wants genderlock to be removed as soon as possible.

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I thought I'd read something different from this thread. I would have supported you if this was a reasonable request. But nope, you want to push them to do that as soon as possible (i.e. take out resources from other content to do what you want). And as Seraphor said:

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

But even then, the earliest we'll see it happen is in 6.0 in two years time.

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You know when I think what if SE DID put both races and genders and took out a chunk of content from ShB to do so, how many of you crying for that now would be crying "this expansion is the worst! I wish they only did one race [insert preferred race here] instead of [insert other race here] and gave us more content!!".

Could this thread by an April's fools joke??

oh, you don't like it when someone reacts that way , huh?
Yes, it was an overreaction to prove something that wasn't taken into account.
Players feedback are taken into account as they stated , but it's also the fact that we have too many threads on the same thing which breaks the actual impact of the matter.

If you want to be taken seriously on something, create a detailed feedback thread with all the replies on the issue and respect the others if in turn you are asking for respect.
Calling people petty just because they don't share an opinion is a long way to be taken in consideration for anything.
Also yes, i did read all the replies and the threads and never did i say something against it, just stated gaps in logic.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

i feel a lot of people would share this feeling about this entire thread and similar threads.

but in case my joke didn't land [yoshi drinking wine], SE allocating more resources to Yoshi is less likely to happen than Yoshi shuffling things around down the pipeline so that they can add these races at some point in the future. what else will get delayed to make this happen? no one knows but the dev team. I stand by not complaining about losing things that were not given, so I we'll get what we get when we get it. and to throw my 2c in, I'm really looking forward to female viera and what creation options we have.

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I just see it as a long term goal, nothing else. Yoshi being able to point to fan demand for something can't hurt if he has to ask for more resources to make it work. That's why I don't see anything at all wrong with people complaining. If that makes people entitled, so be it. We're paying for the game as much as anyone else is.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I just see it as a long term goal, nothing else. Yoshi being able to point to fan demand for something can't hurt if he has to ask for more resources to make it work. That's why I don't see anything at all wrong with people complaining. If that makes people entitled, so be it. We're paying for the game as much as anyone else is.

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Well... by virtue of not being a majority, you aren't "paying for the game as much as anyone else is".

I would prefer Square focus on delivering quality content first and foremost.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Well... by virtue of not being a majority, you aren't "paying for the game as much as anyone else is".

I would prefer Square focus on delivering quality content first and foremost.

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Every individual is paying for the game as much as anyone else is.
No one IS a majority, but they might contribute to a majority if there's any way of discerning one.
You're both entitled to your views, and to suggest your preferred outcomes.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Every individual is paying for the game as much as anyone else is.
No one IS a majority, but they might contribute to a majority if there's any way of discerning one.
You're both entitled to your views, and to suggest your preferred outcomes.

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"Every individual is paying for the game as much as anyone else is."

Sadly, also not true. Retainers... mogstation. Everyone is paying different amounts than everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I just see it as a long term goal, nothing else. Yoshi being able to point to fan demand for something can't hurt if he has to ask for more resources to make it work. That's why I don't see anything at all wrong with people complaining. If that makes people entitled, so be it. We're paying for the game as much as anyone else is.

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Going to take a lot more then this gender lock issue to convience SE to put more money into the game. Yoshi looks at feed back and measures how much we want it, SE looks it and measures how many dollar signs its going to pop up. Dont need to work for SE to know this issue is not popping up near enough dollar signs.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Sadly, also not true. Retainers... mogstation. Everyone is paying different amounts than everyone else.

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I feel attacked in my Eastern Garb and motorcycle mount.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

"Every individual is paying for the game as much as anyone else is."

Sadly, also not true. Retainers... mogstation. Everyone is paying different amounts than everyone else.

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I didnt know feeding more money to SE makes me a VIP.

Lets be honest, even with the finite resources, we are getting our quality content. And a male Hrothgar/ female Viera additional to that. Lets not act like the expansion looks emptier while it does include new (half) races.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

I didnt know feeding more money to SE makes me a VIP.

Lets be honest, even with the finite resources, we are getting our quality content. And a male Hrothgar/ female Viera additional to that. Lets not act like the expansion looks emptier while it does include new (half) races.

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Never suggested that it made anyone a VIP. Just stating that using the statement "Every individual is paying for the game as much as anyone else is." as a justification for pushing Square to make Male Viera / Female Hrothgar is a fallacy.

Personally I'm quite happy with Female Viera. I also wouldn't have been upset with no new races at all. Just make the Raids shiny and I'm happy.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

I feel attacked in my Eastern Garb and motorcycle mount.

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I've got a Whale mount >.>

I'm attacking myself as well ;-;

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Going to take a lot more then this gender lock issue to convience SE to put more money into the game. Yoshi looks at feed back and measures how much we want it, SE looks it and measures how many dollar signs its going to pop up. Dont need to work for SE to know this issue is not popping up near enough dollar signs.

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I'd think fantasia sales would be a pretty good incentive too though. Out of all the things you could add to the game, new race options have the most potential to get people spending money on the mogstation. I mean, the gays have plenty of money to spend on fantasia. Most don't have screaming kids to support. Male Viera alone should have SE seeing $$$. :v

Just a reminder some people are okay with genderlocks.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I'd think fantasia sales would be a pretty good incentive too though. Out of all the things you could add to the game, new race options have the most potential to get people spending money on the mogstation. I mean, the gays have plenty of money to spend on fantasia. Most don't have screaming kids to support. Male Viera alone should have SE seeing $$$. :v

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Oh so this is a gay issue? I had no idea is was the gay community pushing to have the genders unlocked?

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Just a reminder some people are okay with genderlocks.

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I disagree with you.

It's Most people are okay with genderlocks. :p

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Never suggested that it made anyone a VIP. Just stating that using the statement "Every individual is paying for the game as much as anyone else is." as a justification for pushing Square to make Male Viera / Female Hrothgar is a fallacy.

Personally I'm quite happy with Female Viera. I also wouldn't have been upset with no new races at all. Just make the Raids shiny and I'm happy.

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But in a way he is correct, everyone does pay the same minimum amount of money to play this game. Everyone is free to pay more, but it doesnt give you more "voice" than someone who doesnt.

And thats the point I wanted to say. As long they use their resources wisely just like they did on mHroth/fViera, I dont see a big problem to see opposing genders in 6.0.
But many try to tell me that these missing resources would affect their gameplay - while same can be said that mHroth/fViera might affect 5.0.

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

But in a way he is correct, everyone does pay the same minimum amount of money to play this game. Everyone is free to pay more, but it doesnt give you more "voice" than someone who doesnt.

And thats the point I wanted to say. As long they use their resources wisely just like they did on mHroth/fViera, I dont see a big problem to see opposing genders in 6.0.
But many try to tell me that these missing resources would affect their gameplay - while same can be said that mHroth/fViera might affect 5.0.

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Which pulls back around to my original argument that the gender unlock crowd is not in fact the majority, and as such represent less revenue. They are simply highly vocal about this, while the satisfied players rarely feel the need to speak up.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

I disagree with you.

It's Most people are okay with genderlocks. :p

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Fair enough, I know when I’m wrong!

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I'd think fantasia sales would be a pretty good incentive too though. Out of all the things you could add to the game, new race options have the most potential to get people spending money on the mogstation. I mean, the gays have plenty of money to spend on fantasia. Most don't have screaming kids to support. Male Viera alone should have SE seeing $$$. :v

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I dunno. Your average mogstation item seems much more lucrative if you ask me. Even considering the fantasia addicts, won't they most likely continue switching races even without male viera/female hrothgar? Actually, isn't there a chance that the new race clicks so well that some former addicts just stick with the new race?

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Which pulls back around to my original argument that the gender unlock crowd is not in fact the majority, and as such represent less revenue. They are simply highly vocal about this, while the satisfied players rarely feel the need to speak up.

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I think most people outside of the OP realize that the people asking for the genderlocks to be removed aren't the majority. That doesn't mean there isn't a significant number of people requesting that though. Just look at the likes on the threads. You're never going to get the majority to become involved in something like this, but a good enough number of people requesting something can still accomplish things.


The majority didn't care about genderlocked miqote and roegadyn either and look where we are now. People just have to be persistent.

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Originally Posted by Mutemutt

I dunno. Your average mogstation item seems much more lucrative if you ask me. Even considering the fantasia addicts, won't they most likely continue switching races even without male viera/female hrothgar? Actually, isn't there a chance that the new race clicks so well that some former addicts just stick with the new race?

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In general, just adding more races gives people more reasons to fantasia. When you add a highly requested race you're going to get lots of people suddenly wanting to fantasia that might not have wanted to originally.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I mean, the gays have plenty of money to spend on fantasia. Most don't have screaming kids to support.

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So they can't have other priorities in life that require money? Gay people are just like anyone else, they may or may not have kids (which shouldn't even be factor) but that doesn't mean they all have lots of money. What a ridiculous way to stereotype....

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Originally Posted by Kurando

So they can't have other priorities in life that require money? Gay people are just like anyone else, they may or may not have kids (which shouldn't even be factor) but that doesn't mean they all have lots of money. What a ridiculous way to stereotype....

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I just know I'm sick of hearing straight people's screaming kids on discord.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I just know I'm sick of hearing straight people's screaming kids on discord.

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I'm curious why is then that gay people want Male Viera so bad? Can you elaborate on that for all of us? I'm somewhat amazed that you would actually turn this into a gay related issue.

As I stated in multiple other threads that should've all just been one big thread so as to consolidate feedback, it appears as though these 'majority' complaints are mostly from the NA/EU datacenters, and from the amount of back and forth on all threads, all this new thread does is show the dev team exactly how split the NA community is about genderlocks. There is no cohesive 'we', and every genderlock thread seems to have just as many supporters as detractors. So, these threads just show how divided the playerbase is, and how there is no such thing as a 'majority' - especially when you look at how low the number of actual FFXIV players are who visit and frequent the forums.

Then again, while I'm in the NA, I'm Japanese and so have a different cultural view as all of this, much along the lines of what is the societal and cultural norm for most JPN and SEA. While it would be nice to have more options, it simply isn't possible yet given their relatively short time to launch, as Yoshida has mentioned they were already low on time/resources just doing the races they're implementing now. We need to have patience, and accept graciously what we're getting while hoping for more later, instead of demanding things happen right now or 'soon' when doing so would hinder already time and resource strapped developers.

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Originally Posted by WaterShield

Which pulls back around to my original argument that the gender unlock crowd is not in fact the majority, and as such represent less revenue. They are simply highly vocal about this, while the satisfied players rarely feel the need to speak up.

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Funny how people get to assume that the majority is for genderlocks but those assuming they are against it have to prove it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I'm curious why is then that gay people want Male Viera so bad? Can you elaborate on that for all of us?

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Because they expect them to look good Layla, why else? Why are you playing a tiny au ra waifu? I'm assuming because you think it looks good?