Housing relocation is crap!

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Only chance you say?
What are you? A Psychic? Please..don't make me laugh.

Your words..not mine.

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Again your picking words out and not actually reading further it's like talking to a brick wall.

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Originally Posted by SorrowsEnd

Again your picking words out and not actually reading further it's like talking to a brick wall.

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Making excuses for something you said? How predictable.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Making excuses for something you said? How predictable.

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I've literally stated in further context what I meant if you can't read than unfortunately this is going nowhere have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by SorrowsEnd

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Speak for yourself? I never said this crappy system is perfect/good/best sh*t ever. In fact, I've been fighting the god damn system since housing was released. I just know when to give up and accept the fact that all SE ever going to do is throw a band aid over the actual problem rather then do it right and fairly for everyone. Do you think I like it when SE "twisting" my arm and forcing me to keep sub just so I can keep my house that I worked my ass off for (just like anyone else who got one)? I don't like it one bit. I don't like the idea of something I worked for and earned to be taken away just because I stop playing for a month or two while content is dry or that life happens. I think it utter bullsh*t that the demo system in place at all. I think it bs that this whole system out to punish every player who wants/has a house just because of SE own mistake.

But who am I to argue anymore. Not like SE really listening. Limited this, limited that, blah, blah, blah, not enough resources, blah, blah, blah.
It just how it is and we have to learn to accept what is and that SE not going to fix it or actually do something about it and at this point the only thing that could speak for us is our wallets and since nobody is going to stop paying their subs, well guess what? Learn to live with the bs system we have.

If someone not willing to use the system like everyone else to get what they want, don't come crying here. OP story kept changing although this. First her friend knew, then she didn't. Either way, for months it been talked about. If you want that dream house, your going to have to work your way up to it or otherwise deal with the slim to 0 chance of getting that plot you wanted if it open.

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Originally Posted by SorrowsEnd

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Players on Balmung get shade because of the attitudes they display and their complaints about situations of their own making. No one forced you to play on Balmung. Your friends would still be your friends even if you played on another server.

If you think the housing in SE is so bad, then provide examples of housing systems in other games that you feel are much better and state why. Don't bring up instanced housing because we already have instanced housing. It's called apartments. If you bring up the games where it costs additional real money on top of standard game fees to get anything better than a shabby apartment sized dwelling, you'll find few people agreeing that it's a better system. You could be thankful you're not playing a game like WoW where there is no housing and likely never will be.

There is available housing out there. It's not SE's fault that players aren't using it.

There is no contradiction in the timer. There are just as many houses available after someone relocates as there were before. The only time the amount of available housing decreases is when a new buyer makes a purchase. The system does cut down on resellers (though the one personal/one FC house per world restriction does have a greater impact).

The system is fair. Everyone who wants to buy has an equal chance to be the one standing at a placard when the timer expires. Just because only one person can win out of those competing for a limited resource doesn't make the system unfair.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

I don't like the idea of something I worked for and earned to be taken away just because I stop playing for a month or two while content is dry or that life happens. I think it utter bullsh*t that the demo system in place at all. I think it bs that this whole system out to punish every player who wants/has a house just because of SE own mistake.

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Demolition is a good addition. Even if you go away for 1 month (30 days) you're still good, 1.5 month (45 days) is when you lose your house and you get multiple warnings.

If we didn't have demolition in place, we'd just have full wards with inactive players. I don't want that again.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Demolition is a good addition. Even if you go away for 1 month (30 days) you're still good, 1.5 month (45 days) is when you lose your house and you get multiple warnings.

If we didn't have demolition in place, we'd just have full wards with inactive players. I don't want that again.

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Disagree. For servers like Balmung, sure. The demo should be in place for them but for smaller servers that don't have this issue, I think it should honestly be turned off. I'm on Goblin (I left Balmung actually just a few weeks ago), and there is a ton of houses open. No large, but handful of mediums and a ton of smalls. Two M opened in Shiro the other day, one still up for sale.

I've been on the end of the whole demo ordeal. I lost my large that I worked my ass off for due to life happening, it whatever, but it still shitty in the end. It was on Balmung so I just shrugged, knew I wasn't getting anything ever again on that server and decided to pack up and leave.

Point is, nobody should have to lose content just because they want to take a break when content is dry or if life happens. Tell me a game that take something away from you when you stop paying your sub? To my knowledge, there isn't an MMO out there that does that. It sure as hell shouldn't be like that here, not in this age of MMO's. And I mean it not just housing either, glamour system broken and limited, storage is still horrible, and the list goes on to all kinds of little things. If they couldn't have met the demands of all their player base when it came to housing, they should've never released it until they could. We'd not be here right now if they had and there be no need for a demo timer, buy timer, etc.

Again though it like I said, it is what it is and we're being punished for their errors.

Edit - I just want to add on the whole multiple warning thing. If I remember correctly not long after my house got demo, and yes, I did get the warnings but again, life happens and there was nothing I could do about it... SE screwed some people by not sending out warnings of their timer running down. Honestly, imo, I wouldn't even trust SE to send those multiple warnings or send them on time. I've heard cases of where people got the emails late.
As for wards also being inactive, they are no matter what. Even coming from Balmung, I rarely saw people in my ward.. Goblet I can understand but LB, even when I had my large after the relocation/new buying went in, I very rarely saw people about.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

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Sorry...but I'm going to be the evil Au Ra and tell you to "get over it"

You get 45 days.
45 DAYS....over a month....to step into your house... ONCE....to reset the clock.
For a limited resource...that is more than generous.

If it was so valuable to you...so important...I would think you'd bother to take care of your "precious" hard worked house.

But nope..you come here complaining about YOUR mistake.

Makes total sense.

Real life is important yes...but don't take it out on the system because you can't prioritize your life to your standards.
Make all the excuses you want....you had plenty of time to take care of it.

Bottom line - the house wasn't nearly as important to you as you made it out to be now was it?

The system is perfect in terms of recovery....people should take more responsibility for limited resources in game.
If they can't handle that...they shouldn't have access to it in the first place.

Yeah..life happens...but stop being a child in blaming the game for your inability to manage time.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

Disagree. For servers like Balmung, sure. The demo should be in place for them but for smaller servers that don't have this issue, I think it should honestly be turned off.

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So let see if i understand, you want demo on a busy server such as Balmung, but on a small server you don't? Huh?

Say all larges are being taken by players, not FC. They quit the game. Their larges will never be available for FC or other players. How is that fair?

I understand and can agree to some extent about losing your stuff but bottom line is you get 45 days to enter your house, that's fair i think, even if you have to stop logging in a for a time.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It is fair. It works the same way for every player. No one is treated differently. It's the very definition of fair.

Keep in mind that a lot of players settled for owning any house while waiting for their dream plot to open up. They've been waiting a lot longer for it than your friend. Why should your friend have first chance when she hasn't been waiting as long as they have?

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Exactly... I had to relocate TWICE to get the house I wanted. First I had a small in the Mist, then a grade 5 medium in the mist... then finally managed to relocate to a beachside grade 1 medium in Shiro (and spent quite a bit of cash to do all of this).

This is probably the best solution they've got right now, though, unless they go to fully instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

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Smaller servers can and do have this problem. It's how I lost my first house when I had to take an unexpected break prior to Stormblood's release. Where there had been a couple of dozen houses available when I stopped playing, there was nothing when I got back. Even when Shirogane was later added, I still couldn't get another house even though I was looking at Goblet since that's where my first house had been and where I knew my chances were best.

The only reason it's not a problem right now is because of the 4.2 ward addition. That was an additional 2880 houses on each world. Considering Coeurl is down to about 600 available houses right now (that could be off, I haven't in a few weeks), that's still over 2200 players and FCs that wouldn't haven't housing if the new wards hadn't been added.

Now imagine what will happen when the new expansion is released and there's a swarm of returning players not to mention new players. What's currently available will disappear all over again and once more there will be players looking for housing that can't get it.

Auto-demo is needed as long as housing is a limited resource. No limited resource should ever be controlled by people who have quit playing when it could be going to those who are actively playing.

You know when you buy that a house is something you're only allowed if you maintain an active sub. Don't buy it if you're not certain you're going to maintain your sub. Get an apartment instead. You can't lose an apartment if you stop playing for a while.

No game is ever able to meet all the demands of all their players. You're living in a dreamworld if you think game developers can do it. For all that can be accomplished with technology, there are still limitations and still resources to be considered. By all means make suggestions for things you think will improve the game experience but in the long run you need to accept the game as what the dev team provides. If you feel the game isn't living up to your expectations when it could, find a different game to play.

I think your all missing the point I'm making.
Just because I brought up losing my house doesn't mean I'm butt hurt over it. I moved servers, got another one. I could rarely give a flying f*ck. I didn't come here crying like the OP over the ordeal. I'm pointing out the fact that, it shouldn't be happening at all. Housing system is bad.

Nobody here has yet answered my question of: What other MMO take content away from it player base?

No, we're all focused on the, "Oh she lost her house, she's crying about it."

You know what, this is why I gave up fighting for fairness and a better system that everyone could have if they wanted it.
If you people would read, my first post to the OP was a lot like everyone else who replied with the, "To bad, so sad".
"Accept it or don't. This is how the system works." It doesn't mean that I agree with the way it handled or that the system is perfect as most of you like to rave that it is (lol).
I could give two damns about it. I have a house. May as well be like everyone else here.
"I have it. I don't give a damn if you don't or lost it!"

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Don't give a flying f*uck about losing my house seeing as I have one again.
Housing system is bad no matter how you try to defend it.
Nobody answers the actual question
To much stupid from Nephthys to deal with.

I'm done with this.

Edit - @Jojoya - You said no game is able to meet the demands of it player base, I'm not even talking about demands. However, here something for you to chew on.
To my knowledge, and just for I.E - AION has a housing system, it supports all it player base. Wildstar, while never played it, I do believe support all it player base. World of Warcraft, in all areas can support it player base. This is just to name a few, so please, list off the one's that can't support it player base in content and feel the need to take away that content from you if you aren't sub to their game.

So what SE excuse? Oh right, it running on what seems like at least 10+ year old servers...

Oh yes, and let use the "find a different game to play if this doesn't meet up to your expectations." Heavens forbid that I enjoy this game and would like to see it get better. Yeah totally, guess I'll just go to a new game.. *rolls eyes*

But whatever, don't care anymore o/

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Originally Posted by Cylla

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Which is why I think the demolition timer should be disabled as long a player is subscribed. The whole purpose of the subscription is to have access to server resources. As long as I'm paying it shouldn't matter to SE whether I login or not. Once a subscription expires then it is reasonable for a timer to start. I'd even be willing to shorten the timer interval to prevent people from gaming subscriptions just to reset the counter.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

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If you didn't give a flying frak...you'd not have mentioned it in the first place.
And your question is irrelevant because you knew what you where walking into when you got your house in the first place.

As for the demo timer being removed while subscribed? I disagree.

Too many people buy a house and hold them hostage...its not fair to anyone else who want a house..especially on crowded servers such as balmung.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Too many people buy a house and hold them hostage...its not fair to anyone else who want a house..especially on crowded servers such as balmung.

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Hold them hostage? That's nothing more than a euphemism for someone not doing what others like with their house. If someone buys a house it is nobodies business what they do with it. As for the crowded servers nothing is going to fix that other than SE providing a housing system that can support all of the players that currently and in the future want to own a home. Instead of biting the bullet SE just sits back and watches the players fight among themselves over what band-aid might give one disgruntled player a house, buying more time for SE to ignore the issue.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

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Finally someone talking a bit of sense. This I could get behind. Still just a band-aid fix but one that reasonable for those who are still paying their subscription but unable to login. If SE getting feed money, they shouldn't care if you step foot into your house or not. Another idea would've been giving personal housing the same treatment as FC's where in if someone else is sharing the house, they can reset the timer. I had someone sharing my large with me, but since personal housing doesn't get the same right, all he could do was watch the timer go down and take everything out of the house before the demo happened.

However, this will only still lead to problems and people whining that it unfair. Though suppose it doesn't matter at this point. Anything SE does is going to be unfair to a handful of the player base while "perfect" to those who have what they want and don't care about anyone else. Think at this point we've all come to accept that SE isn't going to better the housing system nor make it freely available to everyone who wants one.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

Hold them hostage? That's nothing more than a euphemism for someone not doing what others like with their house. If someone buys a house it is nobodies business what they do with it. As for the crowded servers nothing is going to fix that other than SE providing a housing system that can support all of the players that currently and in the future want to own a home. Instead of biting the bullet SE just sits back and watches the players fight among themselves over what band-aid might give one disgruntled player a house, buying more time for SE to ignore the issue.

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If you care so much...then you can be bothered to spend 5 mins to sign in...walk into your house..and log off.
Problem solved.

Once every 45 days is not going to kill anyone.
You people are utterly amazing with your utter selfishness.

For the issues that are present...the system is still better off than it was before.

In order for SE to fully fix housing, it would need a complete overhaul. They'd have to make everything instanced (though that would remove some things like being able to show off your yard to your neighbors).

Pretty much everyone agrees the housing system is bad. There's been multiple threads on it over the years so we're just beating a dead horse at this point.

They've made improvements, though. There are well over 100 houses open on my server, including mediums and occasionally a mansion. It has gotten much better.

The reason why relocation is allowed earlier is because you're giving up a plot to get a plot. That costs even more money because you're only getting 30% of the lowest price back. So you basically paid extra just to get a house you wanted. By the time I relocate to a mansion, I will have spent around 77 million gil just to get a 50 million gil house.

The system isn't perfect. Heck, its not even really good. But its as fair as they can make it right now.

At least we have housing in this game. 10+ years later WoW stil has jack.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

Hold them hostage? That's nothing more than a euphemism for someone not doing what others like with their house. If someone buys a house it is nobodies business what they do with it. As for the crowded servers nothing is going to fix that other than SE providing a housing system that can support all of the players that currently and in the future want to own a home. Instead of biting the bullet SE just sits back and watches the players fight among themselves over what band-aid might give one disgruntled player a house, buying more time for SE to ignore the issue.

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Neph have a point though, housing is limited. Auto demolition serves a purpose, if you leave the game for more than 45 days you lose it. It's fair game.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

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Damn someone is salty.

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Originally Posted by Cylla

What other MMO take content away from it player base?

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Can't say, havn't played other MMO since FF11 and took away inventory if you didn't play longer.

But i ask you AGAIN, how is it fair to rest of the player base that want house if you (in theory) bought a large or medium (since they are more in demand) and quit the game or were gone for a long period of time? It's not.

I never claimed housing is without it flaws but it much better than it was before. Were you even around for that?

Most people I know, including myself started out in a house we didn’t like. However, we were happy to have the house since it was something. When relocation was added we finally got the chance to get the houses we actually wanted or in the area we actually wanted, even then some still had to settle for something different. Most people don’t start out getting exactly what they want they just take opportunities as they come. This post honestly makes you and your friend sound greedy like you think you deserve something even tho everyone else has played by the system. You had the same opportunity the other person had, you chose not to do it. The person who relocated still spent gil on the house they had, they didn’t get to relocate for free.

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This alone is the key point....
If they can revoke the "Grandfathering" policy and force people who own more than one house to release said extra homes (Get 45 days to choose/get their furniture back/refund gil the works) then at least the scales will be better off in terms of balance.

Like it or not...this is what we have to work with....can only get better.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

This alone is the key point....
If they can revoke the "Grandfathering" policy and force people who own more than one house to release said extra homes (Get 45 days to choose/get their furniture back/refund gil the works) then at least the scales will be better off in terms of balance.

Like it or not...this is what we have to work with....can only get better.

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Dunno should only have max one house per account would seem appropiate, two if have FC of course but again that is FC, would suggest FCs to have at least 10 members or would lose FC house over 10 days or something.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Dunno should only have max one house per account would seem appropiate, two if have FC of course but again that is FC, would suggest FCs to have at least 10 members or would lose FC house over 10 days or something.

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How is that a fix to anything?

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Originally Posted by Cylla

Edit - @Jojoya - You said no game is able to meet the demands of it player base, I'm not even talking about demands. However, here something for you to chew on.
To my knowledge, and just for I.E - AION has a housing system, it supports all it player base. Wildstar, while never played it, I do believe support all it player base. World of Warcraft, in all areas can support it player base. This is just to name a few, so please, list off the one's that can't support it player base in content and feel the need to take away that content from you if you aren't sub to their game.

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I don't play AION or Wildstar so I can't comment on those since I don't know how they work.

I do play WoW. It doesn't even have player housing so it's not relevant though if you want to press the point, Blizzard has taken away things from the player base even if they were subscribed and those items had no impact on game play that was being adjusted. Ask anyone who had gone to the effort of earning Keymaster back in Wrath just to lose it all when Blizzard decided that keys were not only unnecessary but they shouldn't even exist anymore and everything related (other than the instances) was stripped from the game as if they had never existed. Ask players who were partway through epic and legendary quest chains when those were removed from the game so they were left with nothing for their efforts other than worthless quest items for quests that no longer existed.

I haven't played LotRO in a couple of years so I don't know if it's changed since but if you didn't log in and pay the housing monthly maintenance fee (or failed to have enough game currency when it was due), you'd lose your house so another player could buy it.

The weird thing is that you keep refer to losing content just because you unsub. You're not losing access to housing system content just because you unsub for a while. It's not a one-time only opportunity and then you never get to do it again.

Apartments are still part of the housing system and you can't lose your apartment unless you specifically relinquish it. FC rooms are still part of the housing system and you can't lose yours unless you're removed from the FC or relinquish it. You do get a chance to buy a house again subject to availability on the world you've chosen to play on. The content is still there for you to participate in.

Have you lost items that you had acquired as a result of participating in the content? Yes, but that's a known risk of the system and you have the ability not to participate in the system if you object to such loss.

I like the relocation policy, gives the people the opportunity who were forced to buy crappy plots an opportunity to get a better one, you're just salty because your friend didn't get it tbh.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

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Right motive...wrong idea.

It's too easy for FC's to snag houses as its the "new thing"

Maybe raise the bar on minimum requirements to get a house...I dare say population isn't enough...some semblance of activity measurement at best.

Themarvin - You must be new here....you can't have more than one house per ACCOUT per WORLD. (or something to that effect...in other words alts won't be excluded)

You can have 1 house on adamantoise...but if you have 3 toons - you still only get just-one-house.
You'd have to pay for a new account.

FC houses are an obvious given.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Players on Balmung get shade because of the attitudes they display and their complaints about situations of their own making. No one forced you to play on Balmung. Your friends would still be your friends even if you played on another server.

If you think the housing in SE is so bad, then provide examples of housing systems in other games that you feel are much better and state why. Don't bring up instanced housing because we already have instanced housing. It's called apartments. If you bring up the games where it
costs additional real money on top of standard game fees to get anything better than a shabby apartment sized dwelling, you'll find few people agreeing that it's a better system. You could be thankful you're not playing a game like WoW where there is no housing and likely never will be.

There is available housing out there. It's not SE's fault that players aren't using it.

There is no contradiction in the timer. There are just as many houses available after someone relocates as there were before. The only time the amount of available housing decreases is when a new buyer makes a purchase. The system does cut down on resellers (though the one personal/one FC house per world restriction does have a greater impact).

The system is fair. Everyone who wants to buy has an equal chance to be the one standing at a placard when the timer expires. Just because only one person can win out of those competing for a limited resource doesn't make the system unfair.

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Stop blaming the players for a situation SE can fix/ prevented. Apartments are not instanced housing, can you have an apartments that acts like a large house? or hell even a small? That is not a defense. Other games don't make you camp for an unknown amount of time for a house, other games do not have a shortage in housing.

Housing is unfair because it caters to people that can be logged in 24/7 and people that cannot are at a severe disadvantage. I got a small because I got lucky when they released the new wards. I feel really bad for all the people spaming buttons for 18+ hours at a time.

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Alright, but I'm talking about things lost when you don't pay your sub. I've played it since BC, anything that I've ever gained in my time of playing, I have not lost or had taken away just because I didn't pay my sub. I can go years without playing, come back one day and still have everything I earned. Also, yes, you're right, WoW doesn't have housing unless you want to count the garrisons which gave it WHOLE player base one. In the end, still the same thing.

And no, we're just losing our houses for no reason other then because SE can't supply everyone like they -should-. Again, punishing it player base for their error in releasing/not fixing the housing system right.

As I said earlier, limits this, lack of resources that, we've at this point we've learned to accept that the housing system will always be unfair.

And as for having a chance to buy a house on the world your on.... lool you may wanna talk to some Balmung people about that. I knew better. I knew once I lost my large on there, there was no getting a house again. I'm not going to lose sleep over such things or sit at board for 18+ hours clicking in hopes of beating the people next to me or seeing someone come in and relocate. Yeah no, sorry. I did the next best thing and moved to a low pop server and got a house. Which everyone seems to fail at missing that point.

Beating the dead horse repeatly I'm going to say this one last time:
I have a house now - does not mean I still agree with the way the housing system is or think that it even near perfect. I'm not like most people who sit here going, "I have what I want, why should I care if that person can't get it."
However with that said, and first time I posted here - OP story kept changing about her friend knowing about how the system worked, then says she didn't know. Regardless, this is how it is and highly doubt with my lack of faith in SE that it ever going to change for the better or make it fair for all. So you either settle for what you can get and work your way to what you want, move to a lower pop server, or sit a board for hours praying nobody comes in and relocate.

End of that.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Ask players who were partway through epic and legendary quest chains when those were removed from the game so they were left with nothing for their efforts other than worthless quest items for quests that no longer existed.

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Hey, speaking as someone who had just gotten their Eye of Divinity when Cata dropped and removed the Benediction questline without warning, and still has that stupid thing sitting in their bank, that was a really dumb move on Blizzard's part too (especially when the tunnel where the quest happens is still there). Just because it happens in other games doesn't mean it should and let's focus on this game - no other content in the game is restricted to a finite amount of people like housing is.

But the bigger question I have is why some people seem so hell-bent on arguing against any possible improvement to the system. Could you sit there and say that not everyone should be able to access a house, and why? It seems that any time someone suggests changes to the system the response is to scream "go to X server" which is fine FOR NOW but it's not going to be fine forever because more and more servers are filling up on houses. If it can't support everyone, it's a broken system.

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Hey, speaking as someone who had just gotten their Eye of Divinity when Cata dropped and removed the Benediction questline without warning, and still has that stupid thing sitting in their bank, that was a really dumb move on Blizzard's part too (especially when the tunnel where the quest happens is still there). Just because it happens in other games doesn't mean it should and let's focus on this game - no other content in the game is restricted to a finite amount of people like housing is.

But the bigger question I have is why some people seem so hell-bent on arguing against any possible improvement to the system. Could you sit there and say that not everyone should be able to access a house, and why? It seems that any time someone suggests changes to the system the response is to scream "go to X server" which is fine FOR NOW but it's not going to be fine forever because more and more servers are filling up on houses. If it can't support everyone, it's a broken system.

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There is some people out there that want to act like they are better then you from dealing with flaws and not complaining about it. Not something I agree with but it seems to me that is the only way of explaining why some people mock others of "complaining" and "salt". It was not too long ago I was posting in a thread where the tc still acted like they did nothing wrong with making a mock thread to insult someone on making a thread about the game feeling slow or dead. It is also possible some give in stronger to a human flaw of resisting change, the same effect you see when older people have issues with adapting to newer technology and the get off my lawn meme, so on.

Some others seem to feel in order to "like a game" means not allowed to point out flaws.

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There is some people out there that want to act like they are better then you from dealing with flaws and not complaining about it. Not something I agree with but it seems to me that is the only way of explaining why some people mock others of "complaining" and "salt". It was not too long ago I was posting in a thread where the tc still acted like they did nothing wrong with making a mock thread to insult someone on making a thread about the game feeling slow or dead. It is also possible some give in stronger to a human flaw of resisting change, the same effect you see when older people have issues with adapting to newer technology and the get off my lawn meme, so on.

Some others seem to feel in order to "like a game" means not allowed to point out flaws.

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Believe also that some people just don't care. They got what they wanted and could care less about anyone else not being able to get it. Or that they'd rather throw it in your face and dance around like it some big achievement. Some people's attitudes (won't name names but she knows who she is and sits nicely on my ignore list now) are beyond poor and would sooner tell you the system is "perfect" rather then agree that it still unfair and broken. However, yes, as you said it, people would rather just deal with the flaws rather then seek improvement. It amazing actually, so many people rant and rave about how this game is great, but they sure aren't out to help improve it! But that where in my mind, it leads me to believe that nobody cares and they are either set in their ways or just don't care about the community as a whole. They're in it for themselves.

Behavior of this community could be equally matched to WoW community at this rate. Even though since being back in WoW and XIV, I find WoW community a bit more relaxed, where in here, speak an opinion that someone doesn't agree with and your the bad person, not them. Or in my case, I spoke of losing my house to the demo timer and everyone jumped at it as me crying over the loss rather then actually getting the point. Trust me, if I was THAT hurt over it, I'd never came back to this game.

Friend did make a point yesterday though when talking about this. I feel as though SE really doesn't care about what NA community and what we have to say. If there a push for something to change, it because the JP community pushed for it. I haven't talked to a long time JP friend from XI to see what her opinion of the housing system is or how others in their player base feel, but I'm kinda curious to know if their ok with how the housing system is or have been pushing for a change.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out things you think would create a better game experience. There is a problem with insisting it can and should be done when we don't know the technical end of what SE is working with and then calling the game crap because things aren't exactly the way you want.

Like it or not, data storage and server space is an issue for every game to deal with. Some things require more space than other and to emphasize those thing too much means other content getting cut. FFXIV isn't a housing game so housing is not going to be at the top of the priority list for resources.

If you can't come up with specific examples of other MMOs that you have played where you feel the housing system is better and state clearly what makes it better, then you have no business saying that SE is doing housing wrong or that it's crap. I have yet to play a MMO where players felt the housing system was great. There's always been some complaint about the way it worked or the limited item space or how people had to pay additional real money to get access to something more than a shabby shack (assuming that getting that much didn't also cost real money).

Are things with this system perfect? No. But it's still a lot better than what I've experienced in most other MMOs with housing so I'm not going to sit here and scream that it's crappy and wrong because it's not exactly what I want. The only game where I've enjoyed housing more was RIFT with its Dimensions but those were locked behind real money outside of the tiny intro Dimension you get as a quest reward and many of the good housing items were locked behind RNG in real money loot boxes.

Again, if you have personally played a game where you think the housing is done better then name it and state what makes it better. Also be good and point out the flaws the system had because no system is perfect.

Imo, ESO has one of the better housing systems. The houses are instanced, but still part of the world. They can be bought with in game currency OR real life money (which would be a monetary gain for SE). The only thing you really miss out on is the neighbors... And I never see those anyway. I've been in Shiro for over a month now and haven't seen one of person in my ward, despite every house being owned.

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There have already been games named that are doing it better then SE is. It all going over your head and you're missing it by miles. Nobody said these games were doing it perfectly, what I did say is that they have systems that can supply it WHOLE player base. Which is the PROBLEM here. Good job reading and adding in things that weren't even said... *slow clap*

Honestly, there no point in answering you anymore.

P.S - No game is a housing game unless your playing Sim's.... but sure, go ahead and use that excuse to defend SE and make yourself feel good about a broken system. Whatever helps you feel better about it lol

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If you can't come up with specific examples of other MMOs that you have played where you feel the housing system is better and state clearly what makes it better, then you have no business saying that SE is doing housing wrong or that it's crap. I have yet to play a MMO where players felt the housing system was great.

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People have been naming examples on this forum since time immemorial of games that they felt did housing better and it's one of the major reasons why a number of us won't accept the current system as ideal: other MMOs have figured it out.

Wildstar is, probably, the perfect MMO housing system, at least to me. You unlock it fairly early on and are given a bundle of basic items to start decorating with. Items to decorate with are found from a variety of places with many different currencies. You are given an expansive yard as well as an actual house. Placement of items is unlocked across X, Y, AND Z axis, and all items can be freely scaled to be either enormous or tiny and rotated every which way. (I have a huge pine tree on my roof because I can.) Since it is instanced, everyone is able to get a house, nobody is left out. You can find all homes through a common menu. And you can place FABkits in your yard that provide benefits to the rest of the game (such as a small personal mine).

You could even change the sky box around your plot since, again, it was instanced - everything was customizable. The item limit was, the last time I played, several THOUSAND and you could put everything into its own storage. There are now of course items that can be purchased from the cash shop, but it's to my vague shaky understanding that there are ways in game of earning the cash shop currency. But even if you exclude those, there's an enormous wealth of other items to earn.

The only thing I didn't like with it was that the FABkits could only be placed in designated spots. And you had a limited number of building designs to pick from. But since you didn't have to actually put a "house" down people just made houses out of the items themselves.

You're right that none of us knows what's going on behind SE's curtain but with that argument, nobody should ever suggest anything. Especially with this game where it seems like basically everything "can't be done." (It gets done later - what a surprise.)

But I don't know why you seem to be expecting a perfect system. You said it yourself that no system is perfect, and it's true because no system will ever satisfy its entire playerbase. The goal is to satisfy the majority.

Honestly, I'd just settle for an apartment at this point. Houses are finite and limited cause FFXIV's team are bad at housing, period. Never had to complain about housing in FFXI as EVERYONE got a mog house of their own. FFXIV team waits 3 YEARS after relaunch to add apartments (which is like mog houses, cept you for some f**king reason have to pay for a small a** room) when they could have taken a hint from FFXI's team and added that first before the houses. Best bet is to get a crappy house in goblet and relocate to somewhere better, or just don't bother and buy a cheaper apartment. Unlike the crappy houses in this game, apartments last forever and they have no timer or demolish BS.


P.S: I think you guys need to chill and eat a snickers. Don't have to be rude to the OP just because she got shafted by the crappy housing system the dev team limped out of the barn with.



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I played Wild Star and SWtOR before FF and both of their housing set ups were way better than this. I got so spoiled with WS's housing that when I bought my first house here and started decoing I was like...uh wtf! Elamys is correct about the Fabkits but the rest of it was so awesome!