New lv1 crafting gear is female only!?

Honestly at this point I'm with the guys. Give them some nice things to wear. Or hideous monstrosities. Just stop making cheesecake for a while and make more beefcake.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

So are we going to see a thread like this everytime female only outfits are released ? Poor devs :(.

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Yes, because these poor indie devs can't understand that if they do a female outfit there should be a male counterpart.

Also consider this is the first time the obligatory lv1 gearset from the patch it's only for one gender, in other patches there is at least male or unisex gear too.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Not sure but wasn't all the veteran reward outfits all from male characters and not one from a female one. I know won't be crafting one don't like looks of at all. Top of it looks to weird and skirt is way go big. Might look good on a lala.

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Those outfits can be wear by female characters. This isn't about the style of the gear, Square can make masculine or feminine outfits as they please, and actually I think there is a good balance between both. The issue is that female characters have more options because many masculine outfits can be wear by females too, while feminine outfits can only be wear by female characters.

I've all but given up on any kind of glamour parity. The devs seem pretty set in their patterns at this point. It doesn't seem to matter how much wailing and gnashing of teeth takes place, we get 1) a nice (or at least original) female gender locked glam and 2) some Pants(tm) that are not gender locked but might have a much better model on female characters *cough spring shorts cough*. This time we didn't even get a new pair of Pants(tm)!

You could say that SE is trying to cash in on the tendency of people (mostly young, straight men) to spend ridiculous amounts of money on dressing up female avatars when it comes to the overall quality disparity, especially when talking about the cash shop. And I would agree with you.

But the quantity gap is baffling to me. There's no extra money to be made by having more craftable female sets than male. That's just unspoken employee bias becoming evident in the game itself, which is poor form for a game that has a fairly even gender ratio of players.

Some people have said that SE mentioned a male set would be released later... where is that recorded? And is it going to be a male set or another unisex set?

never really bothers me when i'm on my male character.

just mimics real life in my experience. See women in men's clothes all the time but the reverse is exceedingly rare to the point it's a named fetish

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Originally Posted by Nihility

See women in men's clothes all the time but the reverse is exceedingly rare to the point it's a named fetish

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Always reminded of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQChkSgPCJ4

And re: real life. Ah yes, real life. Where you walk down a street running into catgirls and dragon waifus, and talk to a huge conscious crystal!

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Originally Posted by Jaibamon

Yes, because these poor indie devs can't understand that if they do a female outfit there should be a male counterpart.

Also consider this is the first time the obligatory lv1 gearset from the patch it's only for one gender, in other patches there is at least male or unisex gear too.

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At first I was kinda still supportive towards you.Talking disrespectfull towards hard working devs for not getting your little piece of gear is very childish. Some of you guys will never be satified even if they bring equality towards gear and some will start complaining about something else.

I know this will be a very unpopulair opinion.

I have never seen people complain so much when it comes to in-game clothes in all my time playing MMOs geez... Maybe I don't have a problem with it because I don't play FFXIV to play dress up so i'm not that bothered when they release glamour. Also like I said during the 4.3 patch notes reading they said they will add male glamour so just wait.

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Originally Posted by Jaibamon

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Male character do not need the following.

They do not need dresses
Bra or panties
things that make them look like they are cross dressing.

They want that stuff pop a fantasia if you wanted to play a male because you liked a male character it doesn't make sense you would want to dress like a female because you are a girl playing a male character.

the excuse I see is cause I like playing male then why do you want to dress like a female? that just ruins the argument.

I have nothing against the way you want to dress that's cool but others on the game they don't wanna see that stuff you could argue the fact and say well that is insensitive to my feelings well goes the same way.

you could say girls get guy gear but it isn't true.

I say both female and male have had equal stuff given to them.

But if the day comes where guys begin dressing fully like a girl in girls outfit I hope I can get a option to shut off glamour.

I know people going to chew me out for this it aint right you are a bad person, I am not a bad guy just don't like seeing that stuff as you might like it that's cool I don't have a issue what you like personally but I don't like it in games I play and yes I know people do try to girl their male characters up but I try to not pay attention and its not that bad but full blown girl stuff no thanks.

But just to clarify.

Some stuff is ok lets say a girl armor is pretty cool and looks well done and would probably look awesome on a male character to I probably wouldn't even care.

but that scrunchy dress you asking to be put on guys that's wayyyyy overboard.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Not sure but wasn't all the veteran reward outfits all from male characters and not one from a female one. I know won't be crafting one don't like looks of at all. Top of it looks to weird and skirt is way go big. Might look good on a lala.

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The Cascadier Uniform had male and female variants, and was the first one you unlocked back in the day. The later sets were unisex.

Additionally, outside of the veteran rewards, you had a few times that different outfits were added for both sexes. Yuna and Tidus, and Snow and Lightning come to mind as thoughts where this happened. I won't argue that they couldn't have made a Tifa or Aeris set for female characters instead of giving them Cloud, and a Rinoa instead of Squall, but the thing is, female characters weren't locked out, and the outfits still look appropriate on female character models. Those who have male models simply want options as well.

I support the sentiment of still keep some sets gender locked, and just give different sets for each, or more items that change their model based off what sex the character is. The Foestriker's set altered slightly for male and female models, and I think that was good enough.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Male character do not need the following.

They do not need dresses
Bra or panties
things that make them look like they are cross dressing.

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The issue is about equality. We live in a society where it's aceptable for women to wear pants but not for men to wear skirts; I personally don't like this part of our culture, it's simply not fair.

But this is a game, a game about a fantasy world, with its own culture and behaviors, made by a company who likes to satisfy their clients. Why does this game should give certain characters more options than others? Why a player should feel like a second class citizen just because they picked a character race or gender that can't use as much gear than others?

So, if the developers make a Samurai armor, both genders should be able to wear it. If they make one summer set, then both for males and females. If they make a Maid outfit for females, then make a Butler outfit for males, and if they decide that female characters can wear such Butler outfit, then it would be fair that males can wear the Maid outfit.

Look at the bunny outfit. It's female only, and there was no male counterpart, so many male players felt this was unfair. Now, if SE decides to just adjust the bunny suit to fit male characters (like they did) or they made a gearset that looks like the bunny outfit but more manly (pants instead of fishnets, for example) that's their decision about what would be aceptable for males to wear, but either choice is ok because the devs are giving both characters the same amount of choices.

In the case of the topic, the new lv1 crafting gear is a cute dress that clearly was made for females in mind. It looks too feminine, and it's, unfortunately exclusive for females. This is an injustice because there is no male counterpart. It's not about having the same dress (I wouldn't mind, tho), but about having a lv1 gear set for males.

BTW: While I understand your preferences about what males are allowed to wear or not, but Square Enix (and in some extension the Final Fantasy franchise as a whole) has been very open to how their male characters can wear. It's a fantasy world after all. From extravagant clothes like Keftka, Kuja or Seymour; to actual gear made for this game, like subligars, longkilts, coats, robes thongs and even skirts. In other words, this franchise is know for being very open about men's fashion and if you keep playing these games you may feel uncomfortable, I may suggest a more "manly" MMO, like The Elder Scrolls Online.

As someone who was overjoyed when they said they were going to release the bunny outfit and got it as soon as it was available, and as someone who is an avid treasure hunter, I don't see what the fuss is about.

I totally get the desire for equality, expression and stuff like that, but I feel like this thread is misguided. For one, the dress doesnt even look that good on girl characters, and there's a bunch of other threads complaining about how junky the set is in general. I feel like there's way better items male characters could be getting on both the masculine and androgynous/feminine side than this dress.

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Originally Posted by Kradus

As someone who was overjoyed when they said they were going to release the bunny outfit and got it as soon as it was available, and as someone who is an avid treasure hunter, I don't see what the fuss is about.

I totally get the desire for equality, expression and stuff like that, but I feel like this thread is misguided. For one, the dress doesnt even look that good on girl characters, and there's a bunch of other threads complaining about how junky the set is in general. I feel like there's way better items male characters could be getting on both the masculine and androgynous/feminine side than this dress.

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It's not that we necessarily want the dress, it's that they added a female only item and didn't add a male (or even unisex one). if they can only add one item a patch then it really needs to be unisex.

Though it will be interesting to see the reaction when a Male only Hien or Gortesu item is added to the mog station.

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

It's not that we necessarily want the dress, it's that they added a female only item and didn't add a male (or even unisex one). if they can only add one item a patch then it really needs to be unisex.

Though it will be interesting to see the reaction when a Male only Hien or Gortesu item is added to the mog station.

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Fair enough, but they did say that they'd add our equivalent pretty soon after, and considering how many sets I do like in this patch such as the healer/ninja sets from the new dungeon, I am quite content with waiting my turn, especially since the new uznair dress doesn't even look that great anyway.

Edit: In fact, sometimes guys even get the better equivalent!

For example: In 4.1 girls got a super generic dress while guys got a really nice long sleeved shirt.(the thavnairian wool pieces)

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Originally Posted by Kradus

Fair enough, but they did say that they'd add our equivalent pretty soon after, and considering how many sets I do like in this patch such as the healer/ninja sets from the new dungeon, I am quite content with waiting my turn, especially since the new uznair dress doesn't even look that great anyway.

Edit: In fact, sometimes guys even get the better equivalent!

For example: In 4.1 girls got a super generic dress while guys got a really nice long sleeved shirt.(the thavnairian wool pieces)

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I'm not really expecting us to get a turn to be honest, and I thought that dress was one of the nicer dresses they'd done so far. I'm glad your liking the jumper though

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Originally Posted by Kradus

For one, the dress doesnt even look that good on girl characters,

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Whether or not you or I or anyone like the item is irrelevant. The issue is that female characters -yet again- got another new thing, while male characters-yet again- got nothing. This is a pattern that has been going on for years now, and people are understandably upset - loyal players have left the game over it, even! This wouldn't be a big deal if it were a one-off thing, but it's not, and letting it go back when we thought it was a one-off thing with the spring/sailor sets is how it got to be this bad in the first place, so we can't afford to let it go anymore.

I'm not personally crazy about the set as-is, and would probably prefer something more masculine be made as an equivalent. However, I would also be fine with SE doing a straight 1:1 unlock of the item, as they've previously done for male sets such as the Thavnairian bolero and Sailor set. Regardless of personal preferences, the latter would ultimately be the best and fairest solution, since it would result in giving everyone the same options rather than arbitrarily locking options based on a single cosmetic choice.

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Originally Posted by Kradus

For example: In 4.1 girls got a super generic dress while guys got a really nice long sleeved shirt.(the thavnairian wool pieces)

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Oh, you mean when they gave female characters a complete outfit while male characters got half of one? Again (and the fact that this has happened multiple times now should really speak for itself)?

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

At first I was kinda still supportive towards you.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

So are we going to see a thread like this everytime female only outfits are released ? Poor devs :(.

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Oh, you mean when they gave female characters a complete outfit while male characters got half of one? Again (and the fact that this has happened multiple times now should really speak for itself)?

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What? In 4.1 guys and girls got EXACTLY the same amount of glamour pieces from uznair, one chestpiece for guys, one chestpiece for girls, and one unisex chestpiece that had a unique look for M and F. You're making stuff up now.

A dress is a compete outfit. A shirt is not.

Another thing that wouldn't be an issue if they didn't make a habit of shortchanging male characters.

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Originally Posted by Jaibamon

In other words, this franchise is know for being very open about men's fashion and if you keep playing these games you may feel uncomfortable, I may suggest a more "manly" MMO, like The Elder Scrolls Online.

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No thanks and guess what you are wrong about fashion.

You could not wear the gear they set for those character that is why they are called Non playable characters you don't get their gear and I ain't leaving the game cause I don't agree with your fashion style and SE isn't gonna give you what you want.

I even knew you would bring up the bunny suit lets see a couple of years I believe begging for the costume then flip around and say oh SE made bunny suit which I might add that looks horrible, that it can be ported over because they added it to the game which I betcha anything most will only use the ears.

I could say the same for you as well, if you don't like that they don't put female gear on the game for guys move along, though you'll continue to say its not fair well guess what?

the fair only comes once a year.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

No thanks and guess what you are wrong about fashion.

You could not wear the gear they set for those character that is why they are called Non playable characters you don't get their gear and I ain't leaving the game cause I don't agree with your fashion style and SE isn't gonna give you what you want.

I even knew you would bring up the bunny suit lets see a couple of years I believe begging for the costume then flip around and say oh SE made bunny suit which I might add that looks horrible, that it can be ported over because they added it to the game which I betcha anything most will only use the ears.

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I've seen lots of people use and love a lot more than the ears of the bunny suit, not everyone wants to put all male characters in an armored burqa. After all, a lot of women and non straight guys play the game too, as hard as that seems to be for some players to grasp.

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Originally Posted by Kradus

What? In 4.1 guys and girls got EXACTLY the same amount of glamour pieces from uznair, one chestpiece for guys, one chestpiece for girls, and one unisex chestpiece that had a unique look for M and F. You're making stuff up now.

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He probably means other patches. The one with the bunny suits are good examples, also the Spring set.

We should probably consider the first Summer event too, as males got only two color variants while females got a way more variety.

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Originally Posted by Jaibamon

He probably means other patches. The one with the bunny suits are good examples, also the Spring set.

We should probably consider the first Summer event too, as males got only two color variants while females got a way more variety.

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I don't know how you'd consider the first summer event as there was and is an equal amount of swimsuits from that event.

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Originally Posted by Kradus

What? In 4.1 guys and girls got EXACTLY the same amount of glamour pieces from uznair, one chestpiece for guys, one chestpiece for girls, and one unisex chestpiece that had a unique look for M and F. You're making stuff up now.

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She means that a head-to-ankle dress is a full outfit compared to just a shirt. Even though yes they are technically equally 1 item, the dress can count as "chest and leg". While shirt is just "chest".

I don't think it's really fair to nitpick on that though... That's just how long dresses are. Now the real offender is the Witch attire. The guys got screwed over big time.

Whelp, for now it seems like yet another 2 steps back after 1 step forward. Not entirely surprised. Gonna quote somebody from a similar thread/discussion because I honestly believe this is likely the reason why female characters keep getting exclusives:

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

It didn't use to be that girls had more than guys when the glamour system was introduced- only over time did it become apparent that SE was more interested in playing Barbie with their female avatars and leaving men as an afterthought.

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I know a certain male NPC's outfit is coming (to the Mogstation) but that really doesn't quite set things right; the Mogstation NPC outfits just maintains a tug-of-war between the ratio at best.



I'm fine with gender-locked outfits, but not when it's pretty-much always skewed in favor of female characters. I'll believe them giving more male-only outfits (unisex, "1-for-each" doesn't count) next patch when I see it.

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I don't think it's really fair to nitpick on that though... That's just how long dresses are. Now the real offender is the Witch attire. The guys got screwed over big time.

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Yeah, I even said in the post Kradus was responding to that it wouldn't be an issue if there weren't the underlying issue of male characters getting constantly shafted in the glamour department. The Witch attire is certainly a worse offender (especially since despite being a reused model, it's a unique color and can't quite be matched by dying!), but that doesn't negate the fact that they just couldn't be bothered this time (even if the result would have been yet another samey pair of slacks).

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Originally Posted by Cidel

I know a certain male NPC's outfit is coming (to the Mogstation) but that really doesn't quite set things right; the Mogstation NPC outfits just maintains a tug-of-war between the ratio at best.

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Well, considering the same source that confirmed the male NPC's gear also confirmed that the next glamour is TWO sets, one a dress (which will doubtless be female-only, even for the hat and gloves) and one a suit (which may or may not be male only), it looks unlikely that anything is changing. Best case scenario is both are gender-locked and the ratio stays exactly the same, worst case male characters get +1 outfit while female characters get +2.

They should just make all glamours unisex. Christ... if males want to wear a freaking dress, let them. If females want to be Papalymo, let them. What someone else wears shouldn't matter to anyone besides them.

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Originally Posted by Kradus

I've seen lots of people use and love a lot more than the ears of the bunny suit, not everyone wants to put all male characters in an armored burqa. After all, a lot of women and non straight guys play the game too, as hard as that seems to be for some players to grasp.

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Pulling the *woman and non straight* card. Didnt know you speak for all non straight and female. Most people just dont care you know and wont even visited the forums with al these *topics*. They just use what the game offers them and make it the best they can and it has nothing to do with being female or non straight. They just wanna have fun and play.

@HipiraVon-Horrificus
Which I totally agree. But will they stop complaining ?

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

They just wanna have fun and play.

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Maybe it isn't a priority for you, but dressing up your character is a major part of the fun for many people. There's a reason the reward for just about everything is new clothes.

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@HipiraVon-Horrificus
Which I totally agree. But will they stop complaining ?

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If they unlocked every currently locked item we'd certainly have a lot less to complain about.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

Didnt know you speak for all non straight and female.

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And then you went and did exactly that.
The fact remains that not everyone enjoys things catered to the 'male gaze' and options should be kept equal. Right now, they are not. As paying customers of a P2P game, we're entitled to voice our concerns, and some have even voted with their wallets and left outright. And then they gave us the bunny outfit. So maybe - maybe - this isn't just a Sisyphean struggle, as much as it sure feels like it.

I have a feeling the next male set, will just be unisex. Because that's what happens. Males can't have nice things...

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Originally Posted by Lollerblades

I have a feeling the next male set, will just be unisex.

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And that wouldn't be an issue at all if the current gear was unisex too.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX

Pulling the *woman and non straight* card. Didnt know you speak for all non straight and female. Most people just dont care you know and wont even visited the forums with al these *topics*. They just use what the game offers them and make it the best they can and it has nothing to do with being female or non straight. They just wanna have fun and play.

@HipiraVon-Horrificus
Which I totally agree. But will they stop complaining ?

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Alright, but I wasn't trying to speak for everyone, you're deliberately taking that out of context. The person I was replying to said SE shouldn't add things that he, personally, doesn't enjoy looking at. My point was that not everyone that plays the game enjoys looking at the same things that he does.

This video I think will provide some insight on the matter.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

This video I think will provide some insight on the matter.

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Well...

If they built the system and implemented it with the intent to allow androgynous male characters based on known hair and face combos, and consider the creation of those types of characters a design flaw worthy of rectifying via more restrictive and shittier glamour options than females, then SE far more incompetent than I ever dreamed possible.

It's more like the company itself, somewhere in the development process, is failing us. Whether it's lack of artistic talent, lack of resources, lack of priority, unfair design principles/guidelines, personal agendas interfering, mandates from the top down, or any combination thereof, we are being treated as second class.

And to those who keep asking when we'll kindly shut up and go away and stop making a handful of threads out of hundreds to complain... tell SE to listen to us and start being equal with glamours again. They can begin with making sure gender locked gear always has a male/female set going forward. No, female/unisex doesn't count. Either both sets are locked or neither of them are.

I feel like some of the replies here are a fair bit too harsh towards the development team, and that they're less likely to listen to us if we call them "lazy" or "incompetent" over a couple of sets. Surely there's a more constructive and mature way to express our desires?

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I think Square has enough talent to make gear that looks masculine. Most of the Disciples of War gear are like that. The issue is about glamour restrictions, but that's a subject for another time.

The issue I see is that:

• Square Enix simply doesn't care, as they are a Japanese company, and inherently care more about female character looks, the "waifu" culture and such.
• Even if they are good for making manly armors, creating casual clothing for males may be difficult
• They are against having a "middle ground" where female characters can wear manly clothes but male characters can't wear feminine clothes, probably because cultural reasons (in the real world, it's acceptable for females to wear pants but not for males to wear skirts, for example).

Either way I think they should put a little bit of effort to avoid making male players to feel like second class citizens. I think the bunny outfit was a step in the right direction but there is more to go, and with this patch we got another female-exclusive...

You do realize both Japanese men and women wear Yukata and Kimonos, which are essentially just dresses with a pretty sash, right..? Also, Scotsmen, most Middle Eastern cultures, the Aztecs, the Greeks and Romans, Germans and several other cultures have long history of wearing dresses and skirts.

I say this right now, I would much rather see SE give cool armor out examples would be.

1. Holy armored out
2. Evil looking armor skulls damaged looking
3. hero looking status armor something that sticks out like a hero should.
4. maybe some kick back clothing when you aint fighting