What's your first impression of Eureka?

Much like all of the previous relic steps people often complain loudly before making a -serious- attempt at the content. It's going to be a grind for sure but I imagine Level 20+ Elemental mobs, with large EXP chains, combined with the islands Fate's and Notorious Monsters are going to make this go by way quicker then it seems.

People screaming about it in Kugane, how they've wasted their time.

One FC member said it was boring. A grindfest.

Sigh--this can't be a good sign...

First Impressions is what sells people on content and I'm seeing a lot of negative First Impressions.
I will wait and see but right now the reward doesn't seem to fit the grind.

Also it seems like if you do get it on this 1st wave of people doing it. In 8 weeks time if you haven't completed your upgrades the content will be dead like so much that se spends time on, unless they force or give people a damn good reason to do content next patch it's behind us.

say it aint so :( I saw a few of the glowy weapons , and they looked gorgeous. And to know that I'm just going to be killing mobs for the rest of my life to get them breaks my heart.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

Much like all of the previous relic steps people often complain loudly before making a -serious- attempt at the content. It's going to be a grind for sure but I imagine Level 20+ Elemental mobs, with large EXP chains, combined with the islands Fate's and Notorious Monsters are going to make this go by way quicker then it seems.

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I hope your right! Maybe it'll be funner further down the road.

its for relic a grind fest was always going to be that way, plus the relic is only a really great weapon when this expansion wraps up. I don't know maybe the EU/NA community and JPN community and dev team ideas have branched off so much that they can't seem to hit the mark nowadays.

I’m at work right now, so basically this is a super heavy grind for an i355 weapon with 5 materia slots? Is there a gathering aspect like Diadem?

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

A) the eureka gear is designed for outside eureka, not inside. It is a reward for doing the content, not an aid for within the content.

B) We dont know what drop rates are like at higher levels and from better mobs, and the strategy might change at higher levels.

C) People need to stop presuming they know the entirety of the content from spending 5mins inside. Its fine if you don't like it, but don't presume to know the impact that it has on the rewards or the rest of the game from such limited experience.

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A - Sure, I get that, and I said it would be useless outside as well giving the ilvl you can get for the amount of stuff you have to grind.

B- We may not know, but when have you ever seen FF14 giving you upgrade related token by pack of 100+? Basically the protean are spoils from diadem, lockboxes are surely the same thing as well. I'm assuming it, but I don't think I'm going to be far from the truth here.

C- I never said I knew all, just that it's poorly design for the time we had to wait for it.

Throw away content like Diadem. Only thing is they're forcing those who want a relic to do it while it was only subpar gear in Diadem... Now we get both! A relic and subpar gear... woohoo. This will probably be the only relic I don't keep up with sadly.

Waiting for nerfs already. I don't want to spend hours zerging monsters for rare drops for a weapon that isn't any better than my Byakko. To be fair I usually did relic for glamour but again... no thanks...

So having a previous relic weapon does not help you like it did with HW? That is lame

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

I don't want to spend hours zerging monsters for rare drops for a weapon that isn't any better than my Byakko.

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Speak for yourself, the DRG relic is better than the 360 tome lance...

I'm doing it for Krile. But that's about it. The relic armor is lack luster and still weaker than current gear.

Managed to get to level 3 after over an hour of soloing & partying. Its mind-numbingly slow exp right now because of groups just piling on each other and zerging the same mobs, so I logged off for a bit. It feels almost like Abyssea from FFXI but with an annoying elemental wheel that will get you absolutely murdered if you pull hate in a party and its set to maximize DPS. Never got to do Diadem at all but I imagine its fairly similar to how that was at one point if what I read was right.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

Speak for yourself, the DRG relic is better than the 360 tome lance...

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I was speaking for myself. Sorry if I gave you the impression when I said /my/ byakko weapon that I said /your/ tome weapon. I'm pretty sure I didn't! Sorry again. :rolleyes:

Just like others have said, it IS Diadem all over again. End of the story. They've taken forever to release this, under the premise that it would be worthwhile and "nothing like Diadem", but alas. I'm not disappointed, this is exactly what I was thinking it would be, so. Yoshi lied to us, once again.

Honestly, I feel that way too many folks set their expectations farrrrr too high for this. I was expecting a grind fest, and lo and behold, it's a grind fest. Set realistic expectations, peeps. Low bar = little disappointment when the content actually drops.

We sacrificed one dungeon per patch for this. To receive a DELAYED patch with a simular looking map, with no new monsters, with a terrible, boring grind for gear that isn't that good and doesn't even look new inside a void world.

Nicely done, SE.

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Originally Posted by KaivaC

Honestly, I feel that way too many folks set their expectations farrrrr too high for this. I was expecting a grind fest, and lo and behold, it's a grind fest. Set realistic expectations, peeps. Low bar = little disappointment when the content actually drops.

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They say if you lower your expectation enough, you won't even try it.

Look at pvp. People expect it to be so terrible.

I'm okay with it so far. Mostly because it tickles my FFXI nostalgia more so than Diadem. It also helps that the crystal (Atma 4.0) has a chance from dropping from any enemy and not from after doing a FATE. The drop rate increases the higher your kill chain is, too (seems to guarantee a drop at 30, which is when it resets).

Speaking of, low rank/level enemies aren't HP sponges like the ones in Diadem. So you can grab up to 5-10 mobs and AoE them down pretty quick (DPS, tanks will actually love you if you pull mobs for them, unlike in dungeons). Got 18-19 crystals in around an hour. Got to level 2 (and a half) in an hour, too. Higher mob level = higher drop rate chance it seems, so crystals will probably drop more frequently if you manage to hit level 20 and farm those level 23 mobs in the caves (did not touch. Got KO'd by a level 9 Bhoot because their Terror Touch hits for 23-40k. They auto-attack for 10-15k).

I know people said they wanted FF11 again, but did y'all ever consider there were people who didn't?

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Originally Posted by Sindele

I know people said they wanted FF11 again, but did y'all ever consider there were people who didn't?

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Honestly even most of those people are probably now realizing they had their nostalgia glasses on when they asked for that.

And honestly XI was more interesting than this.

I got to level 2 before being bored. 48 xp per mob and 2300 for a level while everything being locked behind them? No thanks.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

I was speaking for myself. Sorry if I gave you the impression when I said /my/ byakko weapon that I said /your/ tome weapon. I'm pretty sure I didn't! Sorry again. :rolleyes:

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well good morning to you too...

went in with 5 ppl, ran away from the mobs of zergs and we camped us some IT++! Life is gud! =D

I got the mapping achievement after getting smacked for 17k to as high as 70k depending on the enemies at level 3. I cant handle this at 3 AM without sleeping. I'll see what transpires after waking up but this kind of grind is a no-go for overnight.

So far, it seems like the type of content that I wanted. Something to do iwhen all the normal stuff is complete. My only real complaint is that the relic weapon and armor are just recolors..... its a lot of effort for a recolor

As someone who can't play for more than a couple of hours after work, this is worrying me. I feel like this content will have a player drought pretty soon and unless I tag to check and do some of it now, I won't have a chance week or two later. Shame you can't solo explore it. I'm reserving my comments and opinion after I give it a try tho.

Worst patch ever, they delayed, delayed, and delayed Eureka with promises that it would be different. Yet its such a grind fest that the levels take -forever- to get, anyone with any sanity what so ever wouldnt even bother to grab the armor/weapons because its not even worth it due to the ilevel and number of protean needed to even obtain the items. Its basically an even worse Diadem 1.0, i see them losing subscriptions for this.

Don't forget the sandals that allows sprinting for longer times in cities

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Honestly even most of those people are probably now realizing they had their nostalgia glasses on when they asked for that.

And honestly XI was more interesting than this.

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I would have been fine with something coming from FFXI. Except as it stand this is nothing like FFXI.

Here we have :

- Pointless grind for items that aren't better than what you can get elsewhere,
- Mobs that could be a bit more dangerous than their counterparts in other area, but because anybody can hit them at the same time, they can be zerged down,
- NMs that aren't more interesting than the fates/hunts you can do in other areas from the game because they can be zerged by all the map at the same time.

If it were like FFXI, with the tagging restrictions ensuring mobs couldn't get zerged down, then it would have been interesting (even though in that case the area should have been fully instanced and limited to your group).

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Originally Posted by MuseTraveller

As someone who can't play for more than a couple of hours after work, this is worrying me. I feel like this content will have a player drought pretty soon and unless I tag to check and do some of it now, I won't have a chance week or two later. Shame you can't solo explore it. I'm reserving my comments and opinion after I give it a try tho.

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go in with a premade party, the zerging actually just gets in the way of XP farming

I'm struggling to find something redeemable about any of this, but I'm just.. not. Why was this delayed? Who thought this would be fun? Unless this changes entirely at high Elvl I don't see why any of this even exists.

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

So far, it seems like the type of content that I wanted. Something to do iwhen all the normal stuff is complete. My only real complaint is that the relic weapon and armor are just recolors..... its a lot of effort for a recolor

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Aren't the first two-three steps usually always recolours? I recall ARR Relics being recolours until the Zodiac step came along.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

I'm struggling to find something redeemable about any of this, but I'm just.. not. Why was this delayed? Who thought this would be fun? Unless this changes entirely at high Elvl I don't see why any of this even exists.

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It exists because people were requesting grindable content with long term rewards, and that is what we got.
I don't like Savage raiding, so I don't do it. If you don't like this type of content....

firs impressions
6800 "tokens" to get all the gear upgraded to +2 ( wpn +armor )
the npc speaks about more than +2 but we cant see it now
we farmed during about 2hours and got 6 "tokens" !! (with 4 ppl )
step one seems longer than the whole HW relic
i guess our best bet is to make it with a full group , as the drops depend of the killchain
also , the max we can see is the +2 gear , i350 with 5 slots so some nice melds in perspective
its a long and casual content so i personnally enjoy it but we can forget to make 2 relics at the same time like we could do in Arr and HW

If only the gameplay was more action like,you could do that for hours,but here,the gameplay is slow,so just get boring quick
2/10

i like the xploration style,no mount and no flying

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

go in with a premade party, the zerging actually just gets in the way of XP farming

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Noted! I got some friends to go into it after work. :)
We'll see how it is when we try it.

When you get to Lv.3, stop everything you're doing and go see Krile. Then, start an "expedition" to head towards the direction she tells you. You'll be able to get your second Magicite.
Magicites are pretty much mandatory, as the bonus they provide is huge.

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Originally Posted by KittyPr

firs impressions
6800 "tokens" to get all the gear upgraded to +2 ( wpn +armor )
the npc speaks about more than +2 but we cant see it now
we farmed during about 2hours and got 6 "tokens" !! (with 4 ppl )
step one seems longer than the whole HW relic
i guess our best bet is to make it with a full group , as the drops depend of the killchain and from what i read it gets better after 30 kills
also , the max we can see is the +2 gear , i350 with 5 slots so some nice melds in perspective
its a long and casual content so i personnally enjoy it but we can forget to make 2 relics at the same time like we could do in Arr and HW

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After 30 kills the chains resets.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Honestly even most of those people are probably now realizing they had their nostalgia glasses on when they asked for that.

And honestly XI was more interesting than this.

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No nostalgia glasses here, can grind xi style in beautiful xiv graphics. So far got to level 4, chain pulled for my party as a Whm and crowd control is useful again.