The Case for Spanish -- A Letter of Hope

Chato igual no te perdes mucho. >.>

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Originally Posted by AbBei

Sabes?no tenia que haberte dicho nada, porque ,no me importa nada,pero absolutamente nada,esas payasadas que montasteis los 2 bandos,no me extraña que no nos traduzcan el juego,viendo la que se lia despues....

Manda cojo.... que se este mirando de unirse y hacer algo por traducir,y tengas que venir tu a remover la porqueria que 4 personas montaron y que ni siquiera estan jugando.......

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Esos temas no tienen nada que ver en el por que no se traduce el juego. Y de unirse y traducir no vienen de la mano, se puede traducir, pero estando en distintos servidores es totalmente distinto. Yo preferiría que luego pueda escoger un servidor y ahi unirnos todos a que lo traduzcan.

Que se hablen de temas como este no tiene nada que ver que lo traduzcan, o que, nunca se pelean LS de habla inglesa o japonesa? Ah no, como hablamos español y discutimos no lo van a hacer porque somos conflictivos (?).

Acá, te digo en mi pensamiento del porque no se traduce. Puede haber mucha gente de habla hispana, pero no que jueguen. Por ejemplo, en la mayoría de los países de Sudamérica (si no son todos) no quieren y no compran cosas originales, hablando de juegos, prefieren comprarse una xbox o una ps3 flasheada o jugar a un juego f2p que algo original o con una cuota mensual. Les decís que el juego sale 300 pesos (70 dolares +/-) y lo sienten como una injusticia o que hay que pagar 10 dolares mensuales y se te ríen en la cara diciendo que ni loco lo van a pagar eso por un juego, cuando después gastan millones por cigarrillos. Ademas de esto, en el caso de un argentino, no va a no jugar a un juego porque este en ingles, aveces miro en meristation en la parte de los comentarios y los españoles le ponen "1" porque no tienen traducción, acá la verdad no interesa mucho si es traducido o no si esta bueno, lo vamos a jugar igual.

En cambio, lo que veo en España, es que hay si son mas de comprar consolas/juegos originales y de pagar una cuota mensual.

Un FF que no es mmo se pagan a traductores y ya, en cambio al mmorpg tienen que mantener a los traductores para cada vez que saquen nuevo contenido lo vayan traduciendo y al soporte técnico en español y no les parecerá rentable la cantidad de gente que se una al juego para mantener todo eso.

En conclusión, puede haber mucha gente habla hispana, pero muchos somos tercermundistas y no hay una costumbre en pagar mensualmente por un juego cuando se pueden bajar de internet juegos gratis o comprar piratas. Y aunque estaría genial que estuviese en español, no seria un factor clave el idioma para decidir si se juega o no y por esto no les seria rentable a ellos.

Y esta claro que la ley francesa de que solo permiten que se distribuyan juegos que vengan traducidos influyo en que se decida traducirlo en ese idioma.

Por cierto, me acuerdo de haber jugado al XI con vos Signy, eras de ballester o san martin no ?

Vax entiendo tu punto de vista yo tambein soy sudamericano y mucha gente q esta en mi linkshell lo es y pagan su cuota mensual y tiene amigos q les gustaria jugar pero no juegan por q el idioma es una dificultad muy amplia, yo entiendo el ingles no al 100% pero lo entiendo y me comunico muy bien con gente de habal inglesa, pero ponte a pensar q al traducir el juego mas gente se animaria a jugarlo por q ya no existiria la traba del idioma como excusa para no jugarlo y yo creo q cualquiera q aya seguido un curso de marketing sabra q mientras mayor sea el espectro de gente q pueda llegar un mensaje mayor sera la cantidad de gente q lo respondera.

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Originally Posted by RisaFuria

Vax entiendo tu punto de vista yo tambein soy sudamericano y mucha gente q esta en mi linkshell lo es y pagan su cuota mensual y tiene amigos q les gustaria jugar pero no juegan por q el idioma es una dificultad muy amplia, yo entiendo el ingles no al 100% pero lo entiendo y me comunico muy bien con gente de habal inglesa, pero ponte a pensar q al traducir el juego mas gente se animaria a jugarlo por q ya no existiria la traba del idioma como excusa para no jugarlo y yo creo q cualquiera q aya seguido un curso de marketing sabra q mientras mayor sea el espectro de gente q pueda llegar un mensaje mayor sera la cantidad de gente q lo respondera.

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Yo puse mi punto de vista, mas que nada en el argentino en si y venezolano en parte por un amigo que tengo del XI que le pasa algo muy similar con la gente que el conoce. Y hay gente de sudamerica que paga la cuota y no tiene problema, pero a lo que voy es, poniendo numeros totalmente incoherentes y ficticios. El 10% de norteamerica juega al XIV, el 10% de Japon, el 3% de España, pero en paises de sudamerica, la gente que lo juega no llega ni al 0,3%, somos realmente muy pocos.

Igual, me encantaria verlo en español, a menos que haya frases como "invitar a la fiesta" o cosas por el estilo xD. Y es todo manejado por el mercado, si no les rinde, no se hace. No se olviden que SE es una empresa y quiere ganar dinero, no quiere perder.

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Originally Posted by vax

Por cierto, me acuerdo de haber jugado al XI con vos Signy, eras de ballester o san martin no ?

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Ituzaingo. :P

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Originally Posted by Signy

Ituzaingo. :P

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Ah nada que ver xD, igual recuerdo haberte visto solo una vez en Qufim y hablamos un poco en esos momentos era lynk creo.

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Originally Posted by vax

Ah nada que ver xD, igual recuerdo haberte visto solo una vez en Qufim y hablamos un poco en esos momentos era lynk creo.

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Ahhh Lynk, si ahora si me acuerdo. ; ; No me hagas acordar de las partys de qufim. Que buenos momentos....

Focus Here SE!!!

Dominar el mundo owo !
Dominar el mundo owó !
Dominar el mundo òwó !
Y luego traducir el juego a español >:3 menos los objetos
bueno a mi me gustaría XD en mi servidor, ay mas gente que habla español, que alemanes y franceses

I love story so i love doing missions, i love doing quest and everything, i can imagine how frustrating could be not be able to read as fast as english gamers and then they push you to skip CS and chit chat from quest, and miss what you must love.... im pro to it, my language isnt english either, and i had my brother in XI quit it cause he couldnt understand it, i bet he not only one , SE would expand their customer base if they expand their language options in game too.

They need to add LANG files similar to several open source projects (i.e., phpbb web forum). This way users can create their own "language pack". Saves SE from doing the work, and the supported languages would skyrocket.

Well, IMO it's nice you guys posting in spanish here (since i speak portuguese i understand most of it) but having a topic with spam of spanish posts won't help much... ^^:

If you want to write in spanish, do like those who put it in EN and spanish because it's very possible that some of the community reps might not understand the posts (they actually don't "need" to understand right now since it's an english forum), not really helping much with the topic proposal...after all they can't help if they can't understand you.

But yep, it's what Brigandier said above...i don't want user-made language packs because it need to be something PS3 users can use too, but allowing the community to help translating to non-official languages would speed-up the cration of these features and, this way, all SE would need is someone too coordenate what to translate.

Well i really agree with this post and i would really like to have Spanish language added to the translation. Since well in my server i know of at least 1 "latino" linkshell and 1 linkshell from europe.
Myself being from Mexico :)

vax este hilo no es para eso

It is very odd that they let this out. I hope this does change so that more people can enjoy this game ^^

Hola, Soy XakaL XIV en Besaid y deberian hacer caso a los hispanos (para variar), quien sabe, quizas sea uno de los muchos impulsos que le hace falta al juego para que la gente se animen a probarlo.

Lo que veo claro es que si quieren tener mas ventas deberian pensar en Traducir el Juego, al menos la historia y las Quest. Muchos conocidos ni lo prueban al no estar en Español, ¿para que comprarte un juego en donde la gente te tiene que contar como es la historia y demas?.

Para los tipicos que dicen "aprende Ingles" por esa regla que no traduzcan el juego a ningun idioma y que todos aprendan Japones, ¿no?, ¿Que pasa que el dinero de los Hispanos es menos valioso que el de los Ingleses, Alemanes y Franceses?. Mirar las ventas del WoW antes de estar traducido al Español y despues de Traducirlo, sobran palabras.

PD: Si quereis este texto en Ingles usar algun Traductor y vereis lo mal que lo pasamos con la historia del juego y muchas quest.

S@lu2

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Originally Posted by Asgard

vax este hilo no es para eso

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Ya se que no es para eso, lo dije primero porque un argentino dijo que pensaba que el unico argentino en jugar FFXIV y bueno, dije que habia en otros servidores y mi version del porque estamos todos separados. Ademas de eso luego explique lo que yo pensaba del juego en español.

I am not a native Spanish speaker, but I would be a huge proponent of Spanish language intergration. I don't know about the world domination comments, (>.>; but there definitely should be auto-translate options, and gameplay options.

Conocimiento, Comunidad, Y Apoyar.

Spanish/Latino community is in this game a fact, we are everywhere and in every server, and this is not new at all for Square-Enix, who should mind already to know that most of us are not only loyal to this game, but we were also loyal to this company since back in Final Fantasy XI times...
We never got heard, helped or replied, and this is not only an In-game matter, because if we have any kind of problem and we need to contact SE, we are also facing the problem of how to explain ourselves properly in order to be understood.
Spanish-speaking players have always tried to catch SE attention.. we got signatures for over 2000 players that were interested on having the chance to play this game in spanish back before it was released, and still it was unheard.

For most of the companies, included SE, the Spanish/Latino community its not under their interest for who knows what reason, but hey, we are guilty for that also, as I mentioned before, we are very loyal, but we should stop and think about if it worth our money to be "used" like this by the companies.

Do we pay exactly the same for a monthly service? no, because we have no service, we have no support and they dont care. a service should be in the language that the costumer speaks , so the game should be translated too (they have a team who translates SE games to Spanish in London so...)

I would be happy just if SE replies to us and tells us why it is not translated. but i wont expect too much from them.

Good to see more Spanish speaking people are joining the game!

Saludos desde Argentina!!!

Number of native speakers of the top languages

1. Mandarin Chinese (1.1 billion)
2. English (330 million)
3. Spanish (300 million)
4. Hindi/Urdu (250 million)
5. Portuguese (220 million)
6. Arabic (200 million)
7. Bengali (185 million)
8. Russian (160 million)
9. Persian (149 million)
10. Punjabi (130 million)
11. Japanese (125 million)
12. German (90 million)
13. Javanese (80 million)
14. French (75 million)

Unfortunately Portuguese / Spanish ​​are two languages always set asaid even though they have more speakers that French and German together.

One exception is Blizzard who has always had the WOW version in Spanish and most recently in Portuguese.

Portuguese player.

No veo la hora para que se pueda hacer world transfer y juntar a todos los argentinos.

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Originally Posted by acidmax

Number of native speakers of the top languages

1. Mandarin Chinese (1.1 billion)
2. English (330 million)
3. Spanish (300 million)
4. Hindi/Urdu (250 million)
5. Portuguese (220 million)
6. Arabic (200 million)
7. Bengali (185 million)
8. Russian (160 million)
9. Persian (149 million)
10. Punjabi (130 million)
11. Japanese (125 million)
12. German (90 million)
13. Javanese (80 million)
14. French (75 million)

Unfortunately Portuguese / Spanish ​​are two languages always set asaid even though they have more speakers that French and German together.

One exception is Blizzard who has always had the WOW version in Spanish and most recently in Portuguese.

Portuguese player.

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This is in part still the culture of "only north hemisphere counts". The most of spanish/portuguese speaking nations are at latin america and africa, still considered by northern cultures as "not economically active markets" if compared to north america, EU and Asia. This culture is slowing going down, but i'd expect at least another 5 years before the official language choices reflecting their real market.

I do support the idea of having as many languages as possible ingame since a RPG can only be fully experienced if the player fully understand the texts. It would be great for SE to add more languages to their games because not only it would have even better acceptance for those who don't speak well one of the availble languages but also would be a great way to get closer to the playerbase.

After all, if the players are offering to help with this, why not accepting the help?

Please SE, listen to us, we are a huge community right now, but it could be giant if you transalte the game!
There is a lot of people who love final fantasy series and would play this game, but the language is a problem for most of them. And, even knowing the language, we lost many details of the story... and I think that those details are what makes a final fantasy, so we are loosing a big portion of the game experince :(

Porfavor SE, escuchanos, ya somos una comunidad enorme, pero podría ser gigante si traducís el juego!
hay un montón de gente que adora la serie final fantasy y que jugaría a este juego pero para muchos el idioma es un problema. E, incluso conociendo el idioma, nos perdemos muchos detalles de la historia... y yo creo que los detalles es lo que hacen a un Final Fantasy, asi que estamos perdiendonos gran parte de la experiencia del juego :(

SE please read our request, I soi member of Spanish blood in Besaid server. both Spanish and Italian should present in their translation time we are willing to pay a little more for the TRANSLATION. SE looks at the record sales of mmo Wow Spain because of its TRANSLATION. final fantasy all who came to Spain came translated into Spanish, because this is not final fantasy? Please read our letter

Español:
Creo que aunque no están obligados a traducir el juego, ya que están empezando con un nuevo proyecto (2.0) podrían traducir el juego por completo. No entiendo por que no traducen el juego cuando traducen el resto de Final Fantasy que llegan a europa.

English:
I think that they are not required to translate the game, they could translate all the game now that they are starting a new project (2.0). I don't understand why they don't translate this game when they translate the rest of Final Fantasy when they reach to europe.

My english isn't really good so I apologize.

Being a Spanish speaker myself, I can say that I am for the option of translating the game to Spanish, but not stop there. However, I don't think this is one of Square's concerns at the moment. Perhaps for the release of 2.0 we can see a Spanish/Dutch/Russian/Korean/etc translation, I just don't see it being at the top of Square's priority list.

Plus it'll encourage Russians/Spanish speakers to use auto-translate, because it's kind of annoying not being able to speak with them at all.

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Originally Posted by Nynnde

SE please read our request, I soi member of Spanish blood in Besaid server. both Spanish and Italian should present in their translation time we are willing to pay a little more for the TRANSLATION. SE looks at the record sales of mmo Wow Spain because of its TRANSLATION. final fantasy all who came to Spain came translated into Spanish, because this is not final fantasy? Please read our letter

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Soy Freyja Azyema de Besaid, miembro de Sangre Hispana y apruebo este mensaje!!!!!!!!
jajaja ^^ Nynn

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Originally Posted by Nynnde

SE please read our request, I soi member of Spanish blood in Besaid server. both Spanish and Italian should present in their translation time we are willing to pay a little more for the TRANSLATION. SE looks at the record sales of mmo Wow Spain because of its TRANSLATION. final fantasy all who came to Spain came translated into Spanish, because this is not final fantasy? Please read our letter

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¿Veis lo que pasa por usar Google translator?

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Originally Posted by Asgard

¿Veis lo que pasa por usar Google translator?

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Soy Freyja Azeyma =3 .... bueno tambien Apruebo este mensaje!!!!!! xD

Yoshi... te voy a querer más si nos cumples nuestro deceo ^.^b de poder entender aun más la historia tan maravillosa que contiene nuestro mundo Eorzea, te tal modo que me sacare un pasaje a Japon y te dare muchos besitos!!!!! =3

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Yoshi... I will love you more if you make our wish come true ^.^b, that way we will understand more this marvelous history that our world Eorzea have, and if you do so i will buy a ticket to Japan and give you a lot of kisses!! =3

Isn't it because most English speaking entertainment companies don't really do business in Spanish speaking countries except Spain? I'm under the impression that the situation in Mexico/Central/South America is a lot like China where piracy is the de facto method of media consumption.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

Isn't it because most English speaking entertainment companies don't really do business in Spanish speaking countries except Spain? I'm under the impression that the situation in Mexico/Central/South America is a lot like China where piracy is the de facto method of media consumption.

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If that's not a racist/ignorant statement, I don't know what is. Let's no go there. All SE titles outside of the two online ones have been translated to Spanish. Movies get dubbed and/or get subtitles....

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Originally Posted by Answa

If that's not a racist/ignorant statement, I don't know what is. Let's no go there. All SE titles outside of the two online ones have been translated to Spanish. Movies get dubbed and/or get subtitles....

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Indeed it was...but this is the very same culture i said at my last post...and will take time before this goes down. To most companies latin america and africa are just "discardable markets" with piracy excuses, as if only here we had piracy and as if online games didn't require a registration code, just like FFXIV does, that grants every single player an original account/game.

Also, this is correct regarding spoken content...at start subtitles do would be good enough.

maybe nobody... expected...

http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/0/0...QUISITION!.jpg

im so sorry i couldn't resist... >.<

but on the topic, i think it would be a good thing to implement seeing the numbers, i just hope it works out better than the german one for your sake... it may be just me but i cant play that at all without cringing. what has to be considered thou is that they plan to voice all major cutscenes in 4 languages already, i dunno if they are willing to add a fifth voice language considering the cost and work (they could scrap german voices for spanish for as much as i care... they are horrible no matter what media *shudder*)

I don't know abaut voice translation (not worth it till 2.0) but I support the idea of translating at least part of the text and implementing the auto-translation feature in other languages. It's always the same, no matter how awesome a game might be friends don't wanna pay for it if they have other options in spanish, i hope they will consider doing something because i don't know what numbers they get but most game companies don't consider the effort and cost worth it. Nevertheless i totally support any initiative regarding this.
Hope we get a response soon 八(＾□＾*) ﾀﾉﾑ!!

This game is in dire need of a Swedish translation. The Spanish will have to wait. :D

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Originally Posted by vax

Yo soy argentino y estoy en gysahl, aca tambien esta un amigo y tambien conosco a otros 4 que estan en Trabia. Estamos un poco divididos la verdad xD. Pero bueno, no es tiempo de echar culpas pero un poco la tuvo una cierta LS de Besaid que se creo de un foro muy importante hara un año y medio atras y que creo que ya no existe mas.

Estaria bueno verlo en español al juego, ademas que tendriamos un mejor soporte tecnico, pero la verdad no creo que esto suceda :(.

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Originally Posted by Signy

Even if i'm spanish speaking (from Argentina too :P) i really don't care right now for a translation, i mean almost all the current stuff we have will disappear and they will make new content for 2.0. Maybe will be possible some time after 2.0 is released.

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Originally Posted by Irana

Good to see more Spanish speaking people are joining the game!

Saludos desde Argentina!!!

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Ahhh. Gente de argentina y estamos todos en servidores distintos! De donde son? Yo de capital :D

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Originally Posted by Majidah

Ahhh. Gente de argentina y estamos todos en servidores distintos! De donde son? Yo de capital :D

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Santos lugares, zona oeste.