Stop Making Heavensturn An Event

This Heavensturn would have actually been a good opportunity to give us a full set of armour besides just the helmet again wiith the inclusion of Stormblood/Kugane in the game. Plus having a mini game in the event that's based on the yearly animal theme would be alot nicer to have than just "Mochi Pound and Smash" again... Oh, and a new dog themed mount would've been better to add, too of instead just the statue and helmet. Not that I'm complaining about the staute. Its cute and would have been nice to have other multiple types with different dogs, too.

I enjoy this event because you can see who doesn't know what focus target is as they get smooshed into mochi over and over

I enjoy the event because it's not some annoying daily grind. A lighter, more temporary change of pace that still keeps me in the game.

On the other hand, I am kinda hoping that next year will have some outrageously difficult challenge to it just so enough of the people whining about it this year would get a response of "we thought you didn't like it last year, so suck it up losers, because this is what you asked for".

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

On the other hand, I am kinda hoping that next year will have some outrageously difficult challenge to it just so enough of the people whining about it this year would get a response of "we thought you didn't like it last year, so suck it up losers, because this is what you asked for".

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I'd rather have that than a "event" that takes me 5 minutes and consists of more cutscene than me actually doing something.

As others have pointed out, I'd rather have less events that last me a while (more than run 1 Fate and done) than an event every couple weeks that's so unremarkable that I won't know what it was about a week after. Quality over quantity.

At least it's slightly different each year, unlike in other MMOs where it's the exact same event EVERY year. No change in dialogue what so ever, no change in rewards, nothing. XIV so far is the only MMO that I've played that actually changes things up for each and every event, even if it's just a line or two.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

What's the difference between a lot of events and less rewards than a lot of rewards but less events?

Less variety. Not a good thing, in my opinion.

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They could design better reward (who will truly wear those helmets?) and give people something to do between patches. They could give us more rewards like instead of one bear we could farm for more. Also less but bigger events could mean better games too. Instead of just making it one fate you could have lots of interesting mini games. Yes those will get stale somewhere too but not as fast as one fate. Right now they are nothing more than simply: Go there, talk, watch a long cutscene and then do that one fate and get back. Sometimes you will be able to farm more items but that just means a handful of more fates..there is nothing fun it that for me..

In my view events could be used to give us something to do between patches but they are done so fast most of the time with barely any rewards that you are done in minutes..letting the events run for a longer time with more stuff to grind for could give us something to do and yet the main attractions could still be done in a reasonable time. (Kinda like the yokai or Garo event but with less of a grind and especially not fates..)

The helmets are a bit special as they don't mesh well with a lot of outfits.
Just scrap the helmet and give us what is on top, kinda like this.

http://78.media.tumblr.com/194853536...o1_r1_1280.png

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Originally Posted by Alleo

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I don't see them removing events, at all. They actually added Make it Rain because they felt the period between late summer (Aug/Sep) and Spring (April/May) was empty. So clearly they know what their resources are and how to spend them if they added an event rather than removed them.

I think your issue is that the event itself doesn't have much to do rather than the fact that there are too many events... I don't think the fact that we have a lot of events is a correlation to the reward we get, because these rewards are surely planned ahead of time. I think the only thing I can agree on is that the helmets aren't the best idea, but what can they give us otherwise? I'd rather a different reward than getting rid of the event altogether to add a reward to a different event.

While it is true the events are very lacking and not at all exciting like they used to be, but better then getting nothing is how i look at it.
I could also agree that some F2P games have better events as it stands.

I just did the event for the first time, and I agree it’s underwhelming - but I think it would have been better without the attempted storyline and just have been “hey guys, we’re giving out dog hats! Go join the mochi-pounding activity to earn it!”

Also strange - that they point out “Eorzea celebrates Heavensturn by ________, but in the East we celebrate it like this”... and yet we only actually get to see their celebration and not our local one? I realise they probably wouldn’t make a second simultaneous event, but I’d be interested to see it and any lore that goes with it.

I'm never a fan of these events because the rewards are never interesting. I don't think I've ever seen anyone glamour the helmets.

Those who enjoy the small distraction will be happy to do it. If you don't like it don't do it, no need to take it away from others.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I don't see them removing events, at all. They actually added Make it Rain because they felt the period between late summer (Aug/Sep) and Spring (April/May) was empty. So clearly they know what their resources are and how to spend them if they added an event rather than removed them.

I think your issue is that the event itself doesn't have much to do rather than the fact that there are too many events... I don't think the fact that we have a lot of events is a correlation to the reward we get, because these rewards are surely planned ahead of time. I think the only thing I can agree on is that the helmets aren't the best idea, but what can they give us otherwise? I'd rather a different reward than getting rid of the event altogether to add a reward to a different event.

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[Edit here: Sorry misread your comment ^^;] You are right I have a problem with the length of them.


You talk about the make it rain campaign and the first one was great. The story behind the murder was really fun if short. But the last one..you did one quest and on top of that you also did get the amount of MGP needed to buy all the prices with the quest..there was no single need to grind or do it twice because you got everything with that. How is that fun? These events are for people that log in once to do them and then log out again..

I want to have long events, that will take some time to finish and are fun to do so. And since its quite obvious that they cant give us that with the amount of events it would be better if we have less but longer ones. You would not need two events in one month if they were more than just a couple of minutes long.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Please dont speak for me.

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I'm not speaking for you. But your post wasn't clear enough for me. As far as events go, if you don't have a problem with how many there are, but want them to be longer, there's a rift between how to get there, because if their events are pre-planned, then they obviously know what they need to put out and how much staff they need to do it, and so on. It's not going to change unless something changes from their end, not ours.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

there was no single need to grind or do it twice because you got everything with that. How is that fun? These events are for people that log in once to do them and then log out again..

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How is a grind fun? Depending on the activity, it can be, but usually it isn't. FATEs are the problem here because it's all they fall back on. But let's say they do introduce a grind... how would you make it fun? Because fun for you might not be fun for someone else, granted, FATEs aren't fun for anyone, but at the very least it was a different way of doing the FATE for the Starlight Celebration, same with the FATE we had a while back for the Hatchingtide event.

So you are saying you want less events so that the resources go into bigger events, eg. All Saint's Wake, Starlight Celebration and Moonfire? I mean, Heavensturn and Valentione's Day don't seem to be big events for most people.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Quality is generally better than quantity. I prefer less of something but what we do get winds up being far more enjoyable and memorable compare to something I do and forget about because it fails to engage.

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Eh, most people seem unhappy with Heavensturn, from what I've noticed. They're generally okay with other events, but I find the issue is that FATEs are a recurring problem. We had a FATE for the Christmas event, we had a FATE for the summer event, we had a FATE for the new year event. It seems to me that because the content is a FATE, people become disengaged and just auto-pilot the event. I'm guessing really the only solution is replacing the FATEs with duties? I mean The Rising didn't use a duty but it was pretty nifty for this year's event with the 2D puzzle, I think the only problem was the mystery of it was ruined by sharing the answers online but oh well, it was fun when it was new.

It's not about fates, I don't even mind them when they are well made.
At launch, events included a quest chain with a (admittedly my opinion) well thought out small story to it. And you had a role in these events (Valentione day springs to mind with having to build pairs and trade chocolate, or Heavensturn with the sheep, last year's Starlight with its daily quests).
These days literally almost all events consist of 1 to max 2 quests tied together by cutscenes. You just rush through them within 5 minutes and don't really feel included in them anymore.
I know some events always seemed to receive more love from the devs than others, but lately the quality has really gone to an all time low.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

They could still make a smaller, instanced copy of Kugane to do the event in, then decorate the real one to look like it.

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I think that would ruin it for players when they actually do get to that city. It's like, oh, I've been here before. Besides, at least Ishgard is completely closed off lore-wise before, actually even after the start of HW since the WoL getting in there is an exception. And seeing as a travel to Kugane would take, if i remember this correctly, about two months, going there for some event seems odd too.
But mostly, I think getting to those cities should be something great you work towards, that feels rewarding when you finally get there, not something you already kind of get at level 15 when most people don't even know they will get there at some point, even if just for a brief amount of time.

I agree with OP....I was really disappointed it was the mochi event again....It was fun the first time.....I'd love something new.

Honestly, I’d rather them keep the event then remove it completely.

Yep. I was disappointed aswell. I dont think they should remove Heavensturn, but atleast make it something different. If their problem is not enough time to create another event, maybe turn Heavensturn into an event where the player has 2x exp, higher item drops etc, something that only requires them to either add or reduce the amount in the game.

The helmet being the only reward, instead of a emote or an outfit, doesnt help either.

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Originally Posted by Rakiria

I think that would ruin it for players when they actually do get to that city. It's like, oh, I've been here before.

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They could only do a smaller version of Kugane, like maybe just the tavern (minus the jump puzzle) and the Aetheryte Plaza and have the rest of the areas walled off. Give them a taste but not the whole meal.

I don't really think the event is a problem. I think that its the repetition combined with the pretty harsh content lull that makes people eh.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

I don't really think the event is a problem. I think that its the repetition combined with the pretty harsh content lull that makes people eh.

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I agree. The mochi FATE for the third time, along with the lack of content paired together isn't a good combination.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

The Rising didn't use a duty but it was pretty nifty for this year's event with the 2D puzzle.

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I do agree. Normally I'm not a fan of any FFXIV event due to them being mostly re-skins with a FATE thrown in for added boredom. I did however like that 2d puzzle dungeon and the year they did the Halloween haunted house dungeon. Just cause it was something new and different.

As far as New Years goes though, it's one of those holidays that probably would go over better if it was tied into a expanded Christmas event somehow instead of being its own event.

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Originally Posted by Aylis

...and the year they did the Halloween haunted house dungeon. Just cause it was something new and different.

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Well they reused the haunted house the 2nd time and they'll probably do it again this year. I don't think people complained about it though? Or at least the majority.

People just hate the mochi FATE because it's a FATE and there's no variety to it unlike the haunted house, so Heavensturn itself isn't the problem.

I’d like to see more inspired events in general. The Halloween dungeon was a really good event and I’d love to see more things like that. Like maybe a snowball fight pvp event for starlight.

I’ve no problem with them repeating events every year if the thing getting repeated is something unique and interesting and if they think of something new to add the next year then great. This is how ffxi did it. They had an event mission and every year that mission would return and sometimes they’d add something new alongside it, then the next year both would return sometimes with something new alongside them and so on.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

Well they reused the haunted house the 2nd time and they'll probably do it again this year. I don't think people complained about it though? Or at least the majority.

People just hate the mochi FATE because it's a FATE and there's no variety to it unlike the haunted house, so Heavensturn itself isn't the problem.

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I feel like the Haunted House returning went over better because it was like an extra thing after you finished the new event instead of the meat of the event itself.
The Mochi Fate has been the main part of the Heavensturn Event for three years in a row now.

For me it wasn't, or at least this year's because I can't remember the first 2. I did the mochi FATE and it only took about 3-5 minutes of my time. The storyline is definitely the main part of it which took more time unless you skipped the dialogue.

I don't see a problem with the event. What I can see is someone with a problem. Just move on and don't bother with it.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

I'm not speaking for you. But your post wasn't clear enough for me. As far as events go, if you don't have a problem with how many there are, but want them to be longer, there's a rift between how to get there, because if their events are pre-planned, then they obviously know what they need to put out and how much staff they need to do it, and so on. It's not going to change unless something changes from their end, not ours.


How is a grind fun? Depending on the activity, it can be, but usually it isn't. FATEs are the problem here because it's all they fall back on. But let's say they do introduce a grind... how would you make it fun? Because fun for you might not be fun for someone else, granted, FATEs aren't fun for anyone, but at the very least it was a different way of doing the FATE for the Starlight Celebration, same with the FATE we had a while back for the Hatchingtide event.

So you are saying you want less events so that the resources go into bigger events, eg. All Saint's Wake, Starlight Celebration and Moonfire? I mean, Heavensturn and Valentione's Day don't seem to be big events for most people.

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Sorry I misread your post (and seemingly edited to late since you still got my old quote). Yes the optimum for me would be the same amount of events that we have now but longer. But since somehow nearly every last event was really short I just get the feeling that SE is not able to give us longer events with the same amount that we have right now. Thus why I would find it better if we have less but longer ones. I know that this balance is not that easy but I still wanted to post my view on this.

I for example liked the Egg ones with the different kind of mini games. Or one of the old summer ones where we got different mini games too. (The one with the smei like dragon) Also I do enjoy the halloween one or the one with the murder.

I just find it bad that the make it rain event gave us everything with one quest...we did not even need to grind for that low amount of MGP..the winter one was often a daily event yet this time it was just fates again. Heavensturn was much more fun when we had go around and atleast do something more than clicking a pot in one fate..heck they also had just one item to buy (next to food) and this was with Gil.

I just want less cutscenes that take most of the time for the event and more time playing the event itself. I dont want grinds like the Yokai ones but I also want more time investment in an event than just one fate thus minutes. Give us the main price after maybe running the event five times. This way all those people that dont want to play it or have time to can still get the main thing. For example they could give us five mini games and you have to complete one each for the item. (And yes they should be mini games..not some fates...or at least some fun fates like the spriggan one) After that people can decide if they want to grind for other things. So give us more rewards, like minions, housing items, fire works and stuff like that but dont put them too cheap into this. (But also not too much) This would also at least explain why housing items are that expensive in the mog station..because they might have taken the people some time to get in an event instead of just putting a couple more minutes behind it and buying everything else already.

If we then had longer events people could still grind for that, we would have stuff to do and all those that dont care about it could still get their main price in a reasonable amount of time. But cutscene heavy events that last half an hour max are just not something that I find that fun. (But that just my opinion on this)

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Originally Posted by Mature

I don't see a problem with the event. What I can see is someone with a problem. Just move on and don't bother with it.

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Or people will write their opinions about this on the forum (which is the place to do so) with the hope that maybe it would get improved so that everyone could have fun with that. (Making it completely stop might not be the best idea but other people already got some suggestions) I am quite sure that you recently wrote in another topic that you disliked something. Why write that if you just can go on and just ignore it? ;)

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

Well they reused the haunted house the 2nd time and they'll probably do it again this year. I don't think people complained about it though? Or at least the majority.

People just hate the mochi FATE because it's a FATE and there's no variety to it unlike the haunted house, so Heavensturn itself isn't the problem.

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I love the haunted house even if they reused it because its just fun. Going into this, trying to solve the problems, having a good laugh at being turned again and you could go in there for a bit because they had at least some items to buy. So if they would introduce more of such houses with different themes and maybe different mini games I would be fine if they use them in the different events. Just change some mini games for some time or introduce a new one or something and it should be fine. Give us some nice amount of items to farm for and this would be near perfect for me.

I think events in general need an overhaul, they are very short, most can be completed in 15 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Or people will write their opinions about this on the forum (which is the place to do so) with the hope that maybe it would get improved so that everyone could have fun with that. (Making it completely stop might not be the best idea but other people already got some suggestions) I am quite sure that you recently wrote in another topic that you disliked something. Why write that if you just can go on and just ignore it? ;)

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It's like me saying: I'm don't like Xmas and celebrations should be cancel... That's how moronic and pathetic this complaint is. If you don't like it or have a problem with it get over it and move on. Don't moan about it

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Originally Posted by Mature

If you don't like it or have a problem with it get over it and move on. Don't moan about it

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And here you are moaning about other player's moaning. Double standard much? Perhaps you should take your own advice?

Back on topic, I can understand how players who have already experienced this event before will find it repetitive, but there are new players who haven't get to try it yet. However, I do agree that the event lacks depth (even from a first-timer's perspective) and could use some changes to reach the quality of the Halloween/Easter egg event.

If you don't like it don't do it. Not fair to campaign for it to be taken away from those that do enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

If you don't like it don't do it. Not fair to campaign for it to be taken away from those that do enjoy it.

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^ this. Rather than removing the event, why not request to make it more interesting?

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Originally Posted by Mature

It's like me saying: I'm don't like Xmas and celebrations should be cancel... That's how moronic and pathetic this complaint is. If you don't like it or have a problem with it get over it and move on. Don't moan about it

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And yet you complained about the squadron missions as not necessary and a waste of time and budget. So complaining seems to be fine its something oneself does not like. Anyway I am fine if its staying but I still find a lot of events in FF14 horrible and since feedback is the only way to change anything in this game I will continue to give it. :)