even after 60

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Originally Posted by Ilan

May i ask you something? Did you get all your class knowledge from PotD as a mentor?

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no I ask people for advice google for rotation and you tube for videos

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

Have you seen my character card honey?

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Again, gloating and boasting. You do realise your char card is meaningless? All that shows me, from your talk of PoTD, is that you have a whole bunch of 70s you near enough leeched up without the use of any skill and more than likely with no knowledge of how to actually use them. You can wave it all you want, point is, it means nothing.

Currently you speak like you're the only person who knows how to play in PoTD, when in actual fact you're clearly displaying that you don't even know how to. Traps can be harmful to the group, of course, but that's what makes PoTD even slightly enjoyable, reacting to them going off. You can't be timid with this content, just get in there, know how to survive and overcome all the setbacks, that's what makes you good at it. Being a coward and hanging back, slowing it all down is not always a good thing, if it ever is. You can go into PoTD 'all guns blazing' and still play it smart.

The best way to level if you're a DPS and you're alone, is to spam FATEs/complete challenge log as you wait for your queue to pop (Some dungeons and leave the roulettes for later, since they give proportional EXP based on my level). Tanks and healers can shine with instant/almost instant queues for dungeons.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

Have you seen my character card honey?

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Ah. So now we come to the REAL reason why you were trying to find out how to post with a character card. Bragging and gloating. You are one hilariously sad individual.

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Originally Posted by Selova

Ah. So now we come to the REAL reason why you were trying to find out how to post with a character card. Bragging and gloating. You are one hilariously sad individual.

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But still, it's nothing compared to their lodestone profile. Dem blog entries...

1. The best and fastest way to play PotD is just... run through. At 99/99 on floor 51-60, no traps are dangerous enough to warrant being cautious. Besides, if you did play PotD enough... you would know that just staying on the outside edges of a room skips all traps since traps don't spawn on the outer edges 99.9% of the time.

2. As for PotD being better for DPS. No. Just no.
The math has proven it is flat out wrong. Not only that, but waiting for your queue gives you a break (the queue) and nets more exp than just banging your head against PotD repeatedly. Watch a youtube video, paint your nails, do some crafting while you wait - it's more rewarding than hitting 1 over and over.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

All I can do is laugh hysterically at that. If you are so timid you have to stay back from everything, you're part of the problem for slowing it all down. Get some guts and use your tools to survive a trap if one goes off. They only deal roughly 50% hp, and every job has some form of heal... and brown chests just throw out potions if one is in your path.

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Not to mention the vender for potd sells potions that have a really nice regen, which are a godsend especially when soloing. I have never seen a bomb trap bring anyone to 0 health if they were at 100% hp. OP you claim you understand potd, but clearly you don't.... the numbers go against what you are claiming to be true.

If I have a job I don't want to do dungeons with at all, what is breakdown of where I should be leveling?

Guys, much as I agree Zexy can be a pain, do we really need to get riled up like this just because they posted an opinion piece? I agree the music and flow is better in POTD. The thing I’m most alarmed about is that they aren’t tanking/taking the lead because of green slimes... they should be protecting the healer so if someone does die like that, they can raise the fallen party member. Let’s focus on why you disagree rather than stooping to Zexy’s level and posting equally inflammatory responses.

Unless you’re posting /popcorn because seriously some of you are just as bad as Zexy...

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Originally Posted by Kisagami

Guys, much as I agree Zexy can be a pain, do we really need to get riled up like this just because they posted an opinion piece?

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That's not what people have been disagreeing about, it's this:

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

Potd gives ----->You gain 583200 (+50%) gladiator experience points. and still the best resource to gain exp after 60.

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He is stating false information as fact, and people have already replied with the maths to prove why it's a false statement. That line is not put as an opinion.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

When your roulette's, weeklies and dailies are done play Potd for exp

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For newer players, statements like this is harmful as they could take it as genuine help. They'll feel they should follow it for better exp, when in actual fact they're just making themselves grind over and over tons of times on something when about 3-4 dungeons would have done it.

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

That's not what people have been disagreeing about, it's this:



He is stating false information as fact, and people have already replied with the maths to prove why it's a false statement. That line is not put as an opinion.

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I’m talking about the ones trying to trigger Zexy into slinging more mud about the novice network. I have no quarrel with anyone disputing the math. If you read my post, I said “Let’s Let’s focus on why you disagree rather than stooping to Zexy’s level and posting equally inflammatory responses.”

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Originally Posted by Settiesama

That's not what people have been disagreeing about, it's this:



He is stating false information as fact, and people have already replied with the maths to prove why it's a false statement. That line is not put as an opinion.



For newer players, statements like this is harmful as they could take it as genuine help. They'll feel they should follow it for better exp, when in actual fact they're just making themselves grind over and over tons of times on something when about 3-4 dungeons would have done it.

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you are so wrong when my PLD hit 60 I had done all my dailies, weeklies, and roulette's to get there the next dungeon is at 61 and I had 4.8 million exp to go. You want me to do fates? ughhh leves? ughhh no I would rather do fun potd's for good music, stress less playing, and varying team mates, and i spam emotes for fun. I would tell any new person and have on faeries Novice network only to get kicked starting a Kicking war.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

you are so wrong when my PLD hit 60 I had done all my dailies, weeklies, and roulette's to get there the next dungeon is at 61 and I had 4.8 million exp to go. You want me to do fates? ughhh leves? ughhh no I would rather do fun potd's for good music, stress less playing, and varying team mates, and i spam emotes for fun. I would tell any new person and have on faeries Novice network only to get kicked starting a Kicking war.

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Ok, first off, specify you mean 60-61, since your initial post suggests 60-70.

Secondly, stop pushing your opinions as if it was fact. Just because you prefer PoTD over the other ways, doesn't mean everyone must. You liking PoTD over them does not in any way make it better. This is why people with your mindset should not be mentors, you try to shove your preferences off as false facts.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

you are so wrong when my PLD hit 60 I had done all my dailies, weeklies, and roulette's to get there the next dungeon is at 61 and I had 4.8 million exp to go. You want me to do fates? ughhh leves? ughhh no I would rather do fun potd's for good music, stress less playing, and varying team mates, and i spam emotes for fun. I would tell any new person and have on faeries Novice network only to get kicked starting a Kicking war.

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While PotD may be stress free, and may have good music, those are both subjective opinions. Opinions do not equate to fact.

I personally will always direct new players who want to gain a decent understanding and decent practice of their job to dungeons. PotD is more so for “test runs” to get a taste of what a job has potential to do, but things die far too quickly in there for anyone to get any decent practice on any job—tank, healer, or DPS.

Experience wise, at-level dungeons will always give the most experience after daily roulettes. That has always been the case, even when PotD was first released. The only difference is in queue times—DPS will always have longer queues, hence why I always encourage them to do other things while they wait, be it stuff in-game or something outside of the game, like reading a book.

To be fair, when someone is discussing subjective matters it's a given it's an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

To be fair, when someone is discussing subjective matters it's a given it's an opinion.

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Yeah, I meant to say “subjective matters” instead of “subjective opinions”. @.@ I’m a bit tired after my finals. lol

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

If I have a job I don't want to do dungeons with at all, what is breakdown of where I should be leveling?

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Depends how fast you want to level it and what job it is.

If you don't care that it takes like 3 months, you can just do daily hunt bills and Beast Tribe quests every day.

You can also do Trial/Alliance Roulette and Weekly Challenge Log bonuses.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

This...is toxic?

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This? Really?

There should be a most overused word award of the year cuz toxic seems to be thrown for just about anything.

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Sooooo much this. Toxic means absolutely nothing at this point because people apply it to situations like this.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

Depends how fast you want to level it and what job it is.

If you don't care that it takes like 3 months, you can just do daily hunt bills and Beast Tribe quests every day.

You can also do Trial/Alliance Roulette and Weekly Challenge Log bonuses.

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It's tanks and when I said dungeons I meant all duty finder stuff, though PotD is tolerable though always long queues for me.

Currently they are a bit low for hunts.

Didn't see a whole lot of math on the subject but I was bored so here is a little.

For Level Summoner 66:
Clearing any set of floors between 51-90 yields 583,200 exp
Clearing floor 91 - 100 yields 842,000 exp
Doing a run of Bardam's Mettle yields 2,176,073 exp

Chain running floor 51-60 is about an average clear time of 16 minutes
EXP/Min = 36,450

Running POTD 51-100 was a total of 92 minutes including queue times, roughly 18.4 minutes average per set
EXP/Min = 34,513

Queuing for Bardam's and finishing the dungeon took 43 minutes (20 minute queue, 23 minute clear time).
EXP/Min = 50,606

Some notes, I did nothing while waiting for the dungeon queue so if one were industrious enough, they could do FATEs or something to bump up the experience per minute. In order for the dungeon run to roughly equal running POTD 51-60, you would have to wait in queue for 37 minutes without doing anything. Alternatively if you could cut down POTD 51-60 to 11 minutes per run, that would equal my dungeon run.

My clear times of POTD for the 51-100 set not including queue times were, 16, 15, 15, 17, and 20. For the most part, it was different people in my groups with minimal pomander usage. If you could cut down on queue times for the higher floors, 51-100 would begin to outpace 51-60 spam.

I am more surprised that POTD experience gain is so little compared to running it in the upper 50's. Around level 58 completing a non floor 50 or 100 floor set grants something around 830,000 exp while floor 50 and 100 grant around 1,300,000 exp.

In conclusion, POTD is not the best experience gain after 60, dungeon running definitely pulls ahead.

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Originally Posted by Bumdogs

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Applause to you, this is exactly what I was hoping to find at the start of this thread. Based on your 20 minute queue time, I assume you were on a DPS job too, driving the point home even more. If one was on a tank or healer, this wouldn't even be a question.

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Originally Posted by Spirlia

Applause to you, this is exactly what I was hoping to find at the start of this thread. Based on your 20 minute queue time, I assume you were on a DPS job too, driving the point home even more. If one was on a tank or healer, this wouldn't even be a question.

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Oops. Yes this was all on my Summoner. Definitely no question for tanks and healers with very short queues.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

you are so wrong when my PLD hit 60 I had done all my dailies, weeklies, and roulette's to get there the next dungeon is at 61 and I had 4.8 million exp to go. You want me to do fates? ughhh leves? ughhh no I would rather do fun potd's for good music, stress less playing, and varying team mates, and i spam emotes for fun. I would tell any new person and have on faeries Novice network only to get kicked starting a Kicking war.

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Ok...let me address your points one at a time.First off, aside from the 'fun' factor as you put it, why are you using POTD as a PLD? You actually gain so much more experience in the same amount of time that you could run POTD 51-60 twice by running the level appropriate dungeon in SB. It was mentioned in another thread, but alliance roulettes literally give you millions of exp upon completion. For the information I just stated, that's not including the adventurer in need or daily bonus from queuing into it. You still gain more experience just by doing roulettes as tank thank you would using POTD.

As far as you getting kicked is concerned, what you're saying in largely incorrect. Posting what you said on here is one thing, but posting it in the NN is definitely a no-no because it is most certainly the wrong information. Novice players should be more focused on doing MSQ, and then dailies. As I stated before, tanks should not be using POTD if they are only trying to level up. They're missing out on exp, to be honest. Healers, too. DPS should still be queuing for roulettes unless the queues are ridiculously long, like 30m. But with alliance roulettes, the wait is more than worth it.

What you are posting on the forums in one thing, because people can debate you on it. If what you're posting here on the forums is the same thing that you're posting on the NN, then yeah, you are in the wrong.

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Originally Posted by Bumdogs

In order for the dungeon run to roughly equal running POTD 51-60, you would have to wait in queue for 37 minutes without doing anything.

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sadly, I have been in that position too many times. 40 mins, 45+ mins. wondrous tails was out of the question for a long time, just about everything on the list saw you facing an hour queue. I've often ended up just getting sick of waiting and logged off having done zero but wait. The only saving grace has been the new alliance raid roulette.

today, a friend and myself spent 20+ minutes waiting for deltascape before they had to leave - and the unlimited crystalloid is a whole 2 days old. Rabanastre, 30 minutes, even with the weapon upgrade now available.

My biggest problem with PotD is that it teaches almost nothing about whatever class/job you're currently leveling. Sure, you can google rotations, and how to's for high end content, but at the end of the day you have to practice it yourself in order to get it down. If you're grinding to 70 with PotD you're not learning the basics on how to play the game, or even the more intricate elements to the game. PotD is such a snooze fest that, it's only really challenging when you're either by yourself or when someone hits every possible trap imaginable. The more challenging content is, the more it pushes players to explore what works for them, and slowly perfect what they play. Sure, you could level up faster with PotD (which, in of itself, is debatable) but you're learning nothing about how to play the actual game. I ask that you please refrain from spreading misinformation for new players.

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wondrous tails was out of the question for a long time

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If you haven't tried, PF is great for Wondrous Tails. Especially on the first couple of days you'll see all of the trials up for WT groups. Also, if you can get a small FC group together, you can unsync most of the content with ease.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

Potd gives ----->You gain 583200 (+50%) gladiator experience points. and still the best resource to gain exp after 60.

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Blatant misinformation.

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Originally Posted by Bumdogs

Actual facts to disprove the above

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Thank you for taking the time! Great insight. :)

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

It's tanks and when I said dungeons I meant all duty finder stuff, though PotD is tolerable though always long queues for me.

Currently they are a bit low for hunts.

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low as in Lv 30? if you're that low and you're never going to DF the only thing you can do is FATEs and PotD.

Lv 60 PLD can kill Lv 69 hunt mobs.

Understandable.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

low as in Lv 30? if you're that low and you're never going to DF the only thing you can do is FATEs and PotD.

Lv 60 PLD can kill Lv 69 hunt mobs.

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I have 70 nin/sam, 56 rdm. All others are 35-40. Think all the tanks are 40.

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Originally Posted by Ilan

May i ask you something? Did you get all your class knowledge from PotD as a mentor?

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That’s insulting to potd. You can button mash in potd and still be a better player than zexy lol.

Such condescending tripe. Get out of here. I've been to floor 200 multiple times, Palace of the Dead is garbage for xp post 60, it is not fun in the slightest once you know how it works, and all it is good for is trying out level 60 jobs.

"Look at my character card, honey". I'm not all that familiar with this so called NN drama, but I can see why people hate you. Levels and gear don't mean shit in this game, you wanna waste your life in PotD? Then be my guest, just don't use that as your right to talk shit to people who clearly know better than you.

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Originally Posted by DiamondOrion

Potd gives ----->You gain 583200 (+50%) gladiator experience points. and still the best resource to gain exp after 60. This is because the runs are easy and less stress than traditional dungeon. The music is great and teams vary in their differences and styles and you get to meet more people than in any other venue. When your roulette's, weeklies and dailies are done play Potd for exp :)

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Thank you captain obvious....now go get your cape [and don't bother coming back].