Inventory issues still exist. Why keep adding gear to the game and not room? Glam log

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

People that say there is no inventory issues clearly do not know crafting.

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Clearly people that don't craft never have item space issues at all. Clearly.

Everyone handles crafting differently. Who are you to say that it goes without speaking that EVERYONE who crafts has an issue with item space? You don't speak for people who stay quiet you know

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Remove useless items, now that glam prisms are GC, they can be made into a currency or at least 1 type of glam prism for everything. (think how crafting dyes are handled)

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Yes, lets make everything into a currency! No normal items ever again!

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

WE REALLY need removing duplicate purpose of crafting materials, ALL BRANCHES, remove them, this is not "dumbing down" crafting, it is removing repetitive use items that does not need to be in a game with inventory problems. Durium Sand/ Palladium Sand? remove one, use the other to replace the use in synths, it comes from the SAME NODE and is a sand, no reason to have 2 different items for the same purpose and from the same source.

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So, Princess, do you know what Alloys are?

al-loy
noun

A metal made by combining two or more metallic elements, especially to give greater strength or resistance to corrosion.

Lets get rid of every alloy in game and make it the same ones over and over! Alloys exist so we can get different metals. Do you know what Stainless Steel is IRL?

Also I'd like to add that there are metals that can be found in the same locations. Did you know in the states many states can actually dig up more than one type of metal? Seems pretty logical to me that you could find differing metals in the same location.


Hell, you're from Balmung, why do you want to break immersion?

Glam log will sadly never happen with Square *insert server excuse here* Enix

PS3 limitations, waitwut?!

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Originally Posted by Rocco

PS3 limitations, waitwut?!

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Too much stress on the servers.

Aka: the new ps3 limitations

When it comes to Glamour pieces,I narrow them down to limited quantity.
Here is my rule - only stock up the newest/Lastest gears with specific amount in my retainers's inventory.
15 Hat pieces
20 Body pieces
2 Hand pieces
15 Leg pieces
10 Shoe pieces.
2 Accesories pieces.
I don't need to hoard more than this.
No need to save Outdated glamour pieces more than 1 or 2 pieces,in my case its only spring dress that worth keeping.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Okay whatever you say lol. You keep looking at lodestone to judge how I play the game and what my inventory looks like.

Although I cant help but wonder what uses up all of your 1,400 retainer slots, 140 inventory slots, 520 armor slots, and 160 selling slots(if you use those to save).

Do you store mats in your mail too?

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If you are going to insult people for being a horder I am going to explain why you are wrong. I doono why you are attacking my loadstone comment when you stated yourself you do not do much. You have no room problems because you do not do much.

I do not hold on items that are 20 gil by npc or whatever, and in fact I am tried of having to make Tama-hagane Ingot from making Oroshigane Ingot that takes Iron Ore for no reason. Why do I have to go to a NPC each time to craft things?

Also take a look at this:
http://www.garlandtools.org/db/#item/20725
36 spaces

Something I made, yellow scripts are just as crazy , you do not craft to make the comments you did otherwise you would know how much it demands of inventory. Stop insulting me because I do things you do not. 5 spots to trade is also a joke, I did favors where I needed 15-20 slots because to craft one thing takes too many items. No reason whatsoever one piece of gear takes 15-20 slots of materials to make.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

If you are going to insult people for being a horder I am going to explain why you are wrong. I do not hold on items that are 20 gil by npc or whatever, and in fact I am tried of having to make Tama-hagane Ingot from making Oroshigane Ingot that takes Iron Ore for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

They do not, and loadstone is proof of it. Not even a crafter and maybe a casual gather.

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How about you tell people what your main character is if you're gonna go around stating everyone is wrong for every reason you can think of, as well as stating things that you believe are absolute facts, instead of your barely touched character that looks like a pink loli maid that's barely been touched. You're the one making general assumptions left and right and getting aggressive in yet another thread while glancing at peoples' lodestone pages to talk down to them, yet you don't show your own. You really like to talk big.

And again, I ask that you look up what 'alloys' are. It's 'no reason at all' that older ore are being used in new recipes. Alloys are there to strengthen the base materials and add beneficial traits, unless you'd like to once again ignore what I said.

I would also like to point out that the lower level items might be there as an incentive for lower level players to gather/craft items as well. Everyone needs a way to make some kind of money in game and if people don't want to gather/craft when they could just buy then a lower level person might be able to get said cash flow.

As for the FC house you posted, yes it's 36 slots... but that is technically for a group to do since you need four people to advance things along. Sure you CAN do everything yourself and that is fine but that is something you take upon yourself and really that is not the inventory systems fault.

As for the trading part, isn't it the same reason we can't trade more than one million gil at a time?

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

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Oh my! What have I done to strike such a nerve? Please, tell me, and show me where I said "I don't do much in this game". Show me this. Then show me where I assumed everything you had and actually insulted you in my posts.

You keep harping on my supposed proof I voluntarily gave to you, well why don't you show us your inventory? It would really help out. You know... take a ppek at the 1,400 slots and 140 inventory and all 520 gear slots too. Oh, and the FC Chest as well. AND the storage since you need space so badly.

Heck I might even post mine since I'm just lazy casual with one main who doesn't craft and casually gathers too..

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Originally Posted by Bacent

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Oh! What another great point! I didn't even know about this because I never dipped into your Lodestone.

So Ms. Lodestone, where is your main?

oi oi cant have you guys geting more inventory space or a glamour log. go buy some more retainers instead you ungratefull bastards!!

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Can always just gather the mats as you need them. Didn't take my FC long to gather the 1200ish logs, 500ish ore and so on for the housing crafts.

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I did this when I leveled white mage and bought a house and it is tedious and I hated it. As a multicrafter I am hurting for space.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Then get those gloves again.
It's very easy to just stop hoarding gear.

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Yeah, lemme just casually run Ultimate Coil again to get that one weapon I threw away because I should throw away stuff and get it again because "It's very easy to stop hoarding gear".

At this point, we should have already gotten a very basic glamour log. I'm with 8 retainers, granted there's a lot of empty slots between them, but four are almost filled to the brim with literally glamour gear. Nothing else.

When you have a phat warrior glam but also have a phat drk glam you like with your best tank gear... ... ..... Wut do? SE Help pls.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Oh my! What have I done to strike such a nerve? Please, tell me, and show me where I said "I don't do much in this game". Show me this. Then show me where I assumed everything you had and actually insulted you in my posts.

You keep harping on my supposed proof I voluntarily gave to you, well why don't you show us your inventory? It would really help out. You know... take a ppek at the 1,400 slots and 140 inventory and all 520 gear slots too. Oh, and the FC Chest as well. AND the storage since you need space so badly.

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No, you do not know what is important to me, you just want to insult, you do not know what I keep for glam, and so on, what "nerve" you struck was you choosing to be insulting and calling me a hoarder when I am not.

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Originally Posted by razzgrizz3

oi oi cant have you guys geting more inventory space or a glamour log. go buy some more retainers instead you ungratefull bastards!!

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8 retainers is not enough, for what i pay for them, it costs more then my sub, they should be giving more room then this (but be better if the game has better inventory management) there is too much bloat in the game though raw materials for reasons I listed, and currency bloat. I do realize the amount of space count is a lot for .. most games.. like wow has no where near it, and people do not have problems there because 1. when people have a personal guild on an alt, it gives them ton of room, here it is nothing, 2, has a glam log, and can send stuff to your alts. It feels like SE tries to purposely give you bloat (esp with currency and duplicate raw material purpose) to try get people to pay for more retainers.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

How about you tell people what your main character is if you're gonna go around stating everyone is wrong for every reason you can think of, as well as stating things that you believe are absolute facts, instead of your barely touched character that looks like a pink loli maid that's barely been touched. You're the one making general assumptions left and right and getting aggressive in yet another thread while glancing at peoples' lodestone pages to talk down to them, yet you don't show your own. You really like to talk big.

And again, I ask that you look up what 'alloys' are. It's 'no reason at all' that older ore are being used in new recipes. Alloys are there to strengthen the base materials and add beneficial traits, unless you'd like to once again ignore what I said.

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I do not know what your point is with "'alloys" are so I did not comment on it, people should also not be insulting me because they only started to touch what the game has to offer as far as crafting and glam.

If that alloy comment was meant to be addressing realism, um SE already item trimmed doing away with it for functionality, like removing nails and bolt heads or something (forget the names) but 1.0 had all crafts like cooking and it was crazy. For some reason they trimmed all crafts but cul (do not get why it needs it) realism is cute and nice but when it interferes with glamelay, then realism takes a backseat, since it is no longer wanted since the issue gets i the way of fun. I do not have fun with all this lack of room stress. I hate doing retainer ventures because it gives me clutter I got to deal with when they give junk....

I was hoping 4.1 did more then it did with currency changes to help with inventory, and it is the only reason I renewed my sub. However not seeing currency like the current deltascape stuff and primal tokens, gather tokens, in it was really disappointing. Also now that prisms are by GC seals, there is no point in having the different types and should be like dyes since the different types are just inventory clutter now.

Now that you can recall materia from gear, people shouldn't be able to simply sell it and instead can go into a currency tab or simply get rid of materia all together and just let you add it like how the materia catalyst was removed. A lot of materia is useless anyway, like main stats outside str/vit... why? so you can meld NQ gear that is useless and how this game has HQ as the requirement anyway?

Just for the record I am not suggesting to literally remove materia, i know people like it but... it can use some changes to give some item bloat relief. The point was to explain the count of all the different ones in the game are hardly needed, like anything lower then IV is pointless unless a crafter/gather because how caps work. For battle though, you really don't use anything lower then IV, even to level in I spam Vs and IVs because this game throws them at you and that is what you need for it to matter.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Heck I might even post mine since I'm just lazy casual with one main who doesn't craft and casually gathers too..

Oh! What another great point! I didn't even know about this because I never dipped into your Lodestone.

So Ms. Lodestone, where is your main?

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I can't say due to GM's privacy reasons. This is actually my main, I post for someone else because she can't post due to forum name being a privacy violation and GMs keep telling her there is nothing they can do about it. Here is who I am posting for though:
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https://i.gyazo.com/3e0e17a13b30a6e3...a8536e8291.png
You do not know what the game is like when you are an outlier main crafter, constantly crafting things while trying to glam each job. As in WHM/SCH/AST and others that "share" gear are geared differently to have different glams. Even with doing gear like that, all jobs at 70 are 310 or higher.

How about stop harassing me and belittling me?

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

BRD and MCH at lv70(They have separate armor too), SMN at 70, BTN and MIN at 70, Leveling DRK, AST, WHM, and DRG. I'm fine :)

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See? you said your self you are just stating the game, so ofc you do not have inventory issues. You shouldn't be insulting people and calling them a hoarder and accuse them holding "NPC mats" because you do not do much. I craft a lot, there are times I completely wiped my on hand inventory and pull stuff as I need them and it fills back up. That alone shows you do not craft.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

I do not know what your point is with "'alloys" are so I did not comment on it

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Titanium is a silvered colored metal with low density and high strength. It is notable for having the highest tensile strength-to-density ratio of any metallic element. However, it’s not as hard as some varieties of heat-treated steel.

Titanium is commonly alloyed with a range of elements including iron, aluminum, and vanadium. Titanium alloys are strong and lightweight making them ideal for automotive, aerospace, military and industrial applications. Two-thirds of all titanium metal produced is used for aircraft parts. Titanium is also highly resistant to seawater corrosion making it perfect for propeller shafts and rigging as well as divers’ knives.


See my point. Using just metals on their own is....nice, but when you have the proper mix of different metals, you get a product that can be better than the sum of the parts included.

It's the same with many other things in game. Cul for example, you get some dinky looking ingredents on their own, but together they create a much different flavour, and the same items can be prepared many different ways to give you something different.

Take away some of these items and you don't have the proper end result, creating something much different. Metals have their own strengths. Cooking ingredents have their own strengths.

Did you know that if you dry the hide of animals, you get raw hide instead of leather, which is used ENTIRELY differently than leather? Leather is used in clothing, armour, ect. Rawhide is dried, not letting it be used the same way as with tanning the animal skin. Some one example would be old fashioned drums.


Do you think you could make a beef stew with chicken? No. It becomes an entirely different dish without beef in it.

Do you think you could make steel without iron? No. It becomes something totally different without iron.

Do you think you could go into battle with an outfit made of rawhide? It doesn't offer the same protection as tanned animal skin, aka leather.


Personally I would be saddened if they got rid of items to make it simpler, and I would honestly be a bit insulted, as someone who loves to cook IRL.

Also did you know that iron oxides give many types of makeup their colours?

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

How about stop harassing me and belittling me?

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Then I suggest you stop using peoples' lodestone pages as a means to harass and belittle what others are saying. Just because someone might not craft to the extent you do doesn't mean their opinion is in valid. You're not the queen of all facts. The Lodestone is not a weapon. I suggest you stop using it as one lest you make people dislike you.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

See? you said your self you are just stating the game, so ofc you do not have inventory issues. You shouldn't be insulting people and calling them a hoarder and accuse them holding "NPC mats" because you do not do much. I craft a lot, there are times I completely wiped my on hand inventory and pull stuff as I need them and it fills back up. That alone shows you do not craft.

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I know people in game that do nothing but craft, but they manage to work with the space they're given in game. Maybe you need to better prioritize what you're working on? You may think you've priortized it properly, but if you have as many issues as you say, I'm sure you can do better.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

I know people in game that do nothing but craft, but they manage to work with the space they're given in game. Maybe you need to better prioritize what you're working on? You may think you've priortized it properly, but if you have as many issues as you say, I'm sure you can do better.

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I have briefly skimmed the viewpoints but I would like to offer a different perspective. The community constantly brings up and shuts down hoarders when this issue comes up without even thinking about why hoarders might exist in the first place. The idea of cutting down crafting recipes is bad (mainly because it hurts the gathering experience, not the crafting one) but there are many things that this game is missing that are sorely needed for inventory management. More inventory space is a band aid fix that will never work and will never be enough. The fact is that the bigger the game grows, the more stuff will be available, and the more the inventory space will be filled (because it is there to be filled).

Ideas such as glamour log, expanded armoire, expanded currency tab, and inventory overflow within instances are all good quality of life systems that would only benefit the playerbase as a whole. Belittling hoarders does not change that fact.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Ideas such as glamour log, expanded armoire, expanded currency tab, and inventory overflow within instances are all good quality of life systems that would only benefit the playerbase as a whole. Belittling hoarders does not change that fact.

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This right here, can we stop making excuses for why this mess of an inventory system is ok. Try to suggest improvements for the game, not jump on people for trying to do so.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

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Luckily, I never said that the gane is totally fine with inventory and agree that many changes should happen. Don't know why OP is getting so hot. The maid glamour, cash shop glamours, monkey adventure glamour whatever it's called, and basically any kind of regional glamour should all be able to be putting in the armoire. I shouldn't have to spare 12 spaces because I have maid chinese and monkey gear. Wedding clothes takes up 8 alone.. Only thing we need now is a glamour log and some more things in the currencies and we're set.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

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Funny thing is that you can't show any proof me calling you a hoarder not even once. Because I never called you a hoarder.

It almost feels like you're angry at the wrong person right now. You're accusing me of all these things I never even said.

You keep talking about belittling and insulting when you're the one throwing 20 insults at me and belittling me each post. Saying I don't know anything. Telling me how I play my game. How I glamour. What my inventory will look like. And all based off of a Lodestone profile. So.. stop belittling me and insulting me? :)

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Titanium is a silvered colored metal with low density and high strength. It is notable for having the highest tensile strength-to-density ratio of any metallic element. However, it’s not as hard as some varieties of heat-treated steel.

Titanium is commonly alloyed with a range of elements including iron, aluminum, and vanadium. Titanium alloys are strong and lightweight making them ideal for automotive, aerospace, military and industrial applications. Two-thirds of all titanium metal produced is used for aircraft parts. Titanium is also highly resistant to seawater corrosion making it perfect for propeller shafts and rigging as well as divers’ knives.


See my point. Using just metals on their own is....nice, but when you have the proper mix of different metals, you get a product that can be better than the sum of the parts included.

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As I thought, you are using a stawmain or unintentionally misunderstanding what I am saying. You can't Story > functionally when the items in the game do not even exist. There is no Palladium Sand or Durium Sand, there is no reason to have both exist in the game other then to inventory bloat. You can remove one from the game and have the other go in all the synths the other uses. Say we remove Palladium Sand, then Durium Sand + Electrum Ore > Palladium Nugget,nothing is lost other then unnecessary item bloat. This is needed for a game like this that can't manage it's inventory from the 1.0 system not fitting in 2.0 +.

Retainers can't handle 2.0+, the devs even said so in a way when they said they can't add inventory slots to it. This is why I stated and guessing the other OP, why item management should be removed from retainers and just put items in a bank. If the retainers can't be coded to handle 4.0+ or very hard to, it seems easier to remove item management from them and have it go to a bank of some sorts. Going though 8 different menus and unable to exchange items from retainer to retainer is a flaw, not someone that "better prioritize what you're working on" I do not control what people buy in a poorly made economy from a design standpoint. in the end, things do need to change, some way or another.

All branches should be removed and replaced by the log that comes from the same tree, there is no reason for them. If you want to even try a 1 story > function argument, why am I making fishing poles from a branch? The fishing poles are not tacky survivalist poles where it is a stick and a string, they are finalized crafted poles that needs a full log or lumber. Then we go to the Camphorwood Log/Camphorwood Branch/Camphor thing, nothing changes making Camphor take 5 logs and not 5 branches. Also Camphorwood Log is unerused anyway so this is a def case of repetitive items that does not need to be there.

Before 4.1 Obsidian type ores where hardly used, you can delete them out of the game completely and not have it effect much. Wyrm Obsidian was added to current housing (not sure about others) causing Wyrm Obsidian to skyrocket. Wyrm Obsidian can be easly replaced by Raw Chrysolite. If SE further wants to trim down, I would not mind seeing Raw Chrysolite/ Wyrm Obsidian/ Hardsilver Ore condensed into one thing. I also fail to see the need to add Dated Radz-at-Han Coin, etc to the game other then be noob traps for newer players to bloat their inventory. You can just make Raw Chrysolite or something collectable. That would not effect gameplay or balance either.


Going with "steel" 61+ it is made from a high steel nugget. There is no reason why a lv 61+ syths should be using lv 1 npc items. the nugget is fine being 4/5 sands, then the nugget goes into high steel ingot with 4Koppranickel Ore like now. iron ore to go into high steel nugget should be removed, that is just inventory bloating.

Yes I see your point, you do not see mine.

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Then I suggest you stop using peoples' lodestone pages as a means to harass and belittle what others are saying. Just because someone might not craft to the extent you do doesn't mean their opinion is in valid. You're not the queen of all facts. The Lodestone is not a weapon. I suggest you stop using it as one lest you make people dislike you.



I know people in game that do nothing but craft, but they manage to work with the space they're given in game. Maybe you need to better prioritize what you're working on? You may think you've priortized it properly, but if you have as many issues as you say, I'm sure you can do better.

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How come you are only after me saying there is inventory problems? that is targeting/ harassment/ belittling me. You need to understand, I do not like being told I need better inventory management by someone that basically does not play a lot or just started who does not craft. It would be no different then someone has not stepped in savage giving word first groups advice. Also that kind of thing is mocked on these boards as well when someone calls X easy, people look up FFlogs/achievements/etc and call them out on not having experience, this is no different.

You tell me I can do better, but SE can do A LOT better with the coding of this game. You can't just comment on one side like that and ignore the other.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Luckily, I never said that the gane is totally fine with inventory and agree that many changes should happen. Don't know why OP is getting so hot. The maid glamour, cash shop glamours, monkey adventure glamour whatever it's called, and basically any kind of regional glamour should all be able to be putting in the armoire. I shouldn't have to spare 12 spaces because I have maid chinese and monkey gear. Wedding clothes takes up 8 alone.. Only thing we need now is a glamour log and some more things in the currencies and we're set.


Funny thing is that you can't show any proof me calling you a hoarder not even once. Because I never called you a hoarder.

It almost feels like you're angry at the wrong person right now. You're accusing me of all these things I never even said.

You keep talking about belittling and insulting when you're the one throwing 20 insults at me and belittling me each post. Saying I don't know anything. Telling me how I play my game. How I glamour. What my inventory will look like. And all based off of a Lodestone profile. So.. stop belittling me and insulting me? :)

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

You should not need 8 retainers at all. I have 2 retainers and one of them uses over 100 of it's slots on GC turn in gear. The other one holds all my glamours and every dye I ever got my hands on. And I still have plenty of space You need to work on your management and organization. I can't stop you of course but you don't need every item in the game for every second. You should hold what you need.

Plan. lol

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The reason you can get away with that because you do not do much in the game, where is the insult??? just stating a fact, also Read this following quote on why it is an attack and yes that quote you made does imply I am hording and trying to passive/aggressive insult me:

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

I have briefly skimmed the viewpoints but I would like to offer a different perspective. The community constantly brings up and shuts down hoarders when this issue comes up without even thinking about why hoarders might exist in the first place. The idea of cutting down crafting recipes is bad (mainly because it hurts the gathering experience, not the crafting one) but there are many things that this game is missing that are sorely needed for inventory management. More inventory space is a band aid fix that will never work and will never be enough. The fact is that the bigger the game grows, the more stuff will be available, and the more the inventory space will be filled (because it is there to be filled).

Ideas such as glamour log, expanded armoire, expanded currency tab, and inventory overflow within instances are all good quality of life systems that would only benefit the playerbase as a whole. Belittling hoarders does not change that fact.

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(keep in mind when I speak of item removal it does not hurt gather exp since it is just the same item from the same node basically. Speaking of, if we go to my high steel exmaple, I would not mind keeping it taking iron ore if they removed iron ore from being sold by NPCs, this allows low level gathers get exp and able sell something to higher players like silver ore, Mythril Ore, etc. I always found it odd that iron ore is sold by npcs because of that. But if the item is sold by npc for 4k or less (often 100 gil or less), said items have no business being in 51+ synths, same with rubber, just remove that from higher level stuff.)

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Originally Posted by MrSmiley

This right here, can we stop making excuses for why this mess of an inventory system is ok. Try to suggest improvements for the game, not jump on people for trying to do so.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Yeah, lemme just casually run Ultimate Coil again to get that one weapon I threw away because I should throw away stuff and get it again because "It's very easy to stop hoarding gear".

At this point, we should have already gotten a very basic glamour log. I'm with 8 retainers, granted there's a lot of empty slots between them, but four are almost filled to the brim with literally glamour gear. Nothing else.

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Throw away stuff you can get easy again and is not from Ultima Coil (like the last tome weapon).

Best is to do a list.
- write everything down you have
- do some research to every item. Do a Vendo NPC sell them? What are they worth in the MB? Is the dungeon of the gear unsynched soloable?
- give every item 1 star (easy to get again) until 5 stars (a pain to get again)
- sell everything with just 1 star and maybe also those with 2 stars

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Yeah, lemme just casually run Ultimate Coil again to get that one weapon I threw away because I should throw away stuff and get it again because "It's very easy to stop hoarding gear".

At this point, we should have already gotten a very basic glamour log. I'm with 8 retainers, granted there's a lot of empty slots between them, but four are almost filled to the brim with literally glamour gear. Nothing else.

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Um, you drop the gear that's easier to get not harder, unless you are saying that all 35 slots of your armoury chest have rare items that are hard to regain? Otherwise you created a nonsensical hyperbole.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Yes I see your point, you do not see mine.

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Assumptions. I see the 'point' you're trying to make.


chrys·o·lite
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noun
a yellowish-green or brownish variety of olivine, used as a gemstone

ob·sid·i·an
əbˈsidēən,äbˈsidēən
noun
a hard, dark, glasslike volcanic rock formed by the rapid solidification of lava without crystallization


Really, so one could easily replace the other? One is a crystal/gemstone, while the other doesn't crystallize and is glasslike. Both have widely differing uses.

Don't compare stuff blindly when you can't be arsed to look things up.


And so what? about Palladium and Durium. You can only use so many metals that actually exist in games before you need to throw in some fantasy based ones to keep things going, or even altering stuff that exists in real life and having the area/climate/ect directly affect what goes on

Metals made up in this way can have much differing characteristics cause by the existence of creatures that don't exist, as well as a magic based world altering things that could never happen in real life. Fantasy items like that honestly interest me because I wonder what happened different in the game's world that caused those elements to exist. You're just taking the items at a flat face value and nothing more.

Here's the difference between iron sand, and iron ore

Iron Sand - It comprises mainly magnetite, Fe3O4, and also contains small amounts of titanium, silica, manganese, calcium and vanadium.

Iron ore - The iron itself is usually found in the form of magnetite (Fe3O4, 72.4% Fe), hematite (Fe2O3, 69.9% Fe), goethite (FeO(OH), 62.9% Fe), limonite (FeO(OH)·n(H2O), 55% Fe) or siderite (FeCO3, 48.2% Fe).



Did I lose you? Iron Ore and Iron Sand have differing elements occurring in them. If things work the same in the game's world for the items, I don't see why Palladium Sand/Ore would be all that different in what composes the item themselves.


And another known fact - Many high priced metals in real life have small bits of cheap/common elements in it. It's part of stuff being an ALLOY.

Think there might be more purity in a high steel ingot compared to a steel ingot? Maybe there's better materials that are a bit more scarce.


Also, do you know the difference in a log and a branch? They should be fairly obvious. There's differing factors depending on the tree its self. What's the hardness rating of the wood when it's been worked with. How much stronger is the log compared to the branch. The grain of the wood. Are you using the center cut of multiple logs to get the best quality out of the wood. SO MANY FACTORS THAT GO IN TO WHAT YOU ARE MAKING!!!!!!!


Stop thinking of in game items as just 'bits of code that can be changed to make stuff easier', and try treating things like actual items that you hold and work with. The crafting process people do in game reflects a bit of the process IRL that goes into making items.

You can't just get rid of items and force other things to just replace them. Could you get rid of a baby and then put another baby in their place and say it's the same thing?

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Assumptions. I see the 'point' you're trying to make.
chrys·o·lite
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noun
a yellowish-green or brownish variety of olivine, used as a gemstone

ob·sid·i·an
əbˈsidēən,äbˈsidēən
noun
a hard, dark, glasslike volcanic rock formed by the rapid solidification of lava without crystallization


Really, so one could easily replace the other? One is a crystal/gemstone, while the other doesn't crystallize and is glasslike. Both have widely differing uses.

Don't compare stuff blindly when you can't be arsed to look things up.


And so what? about Palladium and Durium. You can only use so many metals that actually exist in games before you need to throw in some fantasy based ones to keep things going, or even altering stuff that exists in real life and having the area/climate/ect directly affect what goes on

Metals made up in this way can have much differing characteristics cause by the existence of creatures that don't exist, as well as a magic based world altering things that could never happen in real life. Fantasy items like that honestly interest me because I wonder what happened different in the game's world that caused those elements to exist. You're just taking the items at a flat face value and nothing more.

Here's the difference between iron sand, and iron ore

Iron Sand - It comprises mainly magnetite, Fe3O4, and also contains small amounts of titanium, silica, manganese, calcium and vanadium.

Iron ore - The iron itself is usually found in the form of magnetite (Fe3O4, 72.4% Fe), hematite (Fe2O3, 69.9% Fe), goethite (FeO(OH), 62.9% Fe), limonite (FeO(OH)·n(H2O), 55% Fe) or siderite (FeCO3, 48.2% Fe).



Did I lose you? Iron Ore and Iron Sand have differing elements occurring in them. If things work the same in the game's world for the items, I don't see why Palladium Sand/Ore would be all that different in what composes the item themselves.


And another known fact - Many high priced metals in real life have small bits of cheap/common elements in it. It's part of stuff being an ALLOY.

Think there might be more purity in a high steel ingot compared to a steel ingot? Maybe there's better materials that are a bit more scarce.


Also, do you know the difference in a log and a branch? They should be fairly obvious. There's differing factors depending on the tree its self. What's the hardness rating of the wood when it's been worked with. How much stronger is the log compared to the branch. The grain of the wood. Are you using the center cut of multiple logs to get the best quality out of the wood. SO MANY FACTORS THAT GO IN TO WHAT YOU ARE MAKING!!!!!!!


Stop thinking of in game items as just 'bits of code that can be changed to make stuff easier', and try treating things like actual items that you hold and work with. The crafting process people do in game reflects a bit of the process IRL that goes into making items.

You can't just get rid of items and force other things to just replace them. Could you get rid of a baby and then put another baby in their place and say it's the same thing?

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I will make it clearer for you, functionally > story. I care not for names at all. This game is not working as is, so I am giving ideas how to trim out receptive items. Repetitive items means same items that come from the same node that serve like purposes in synths, like the items I listed. i do not care if they rename them after removing the receptive items. I am here pointing out how it can be better managed. Funny how other games that I know does not have this issue with too many items for crafting. I said all this in my last post, and you are making me repeat myself, I hope you understand now. So if you understood my point, you wouldn't of made this post that means nothing to me.

I also stated why having fishing poles having a branch be the main thing went over your head, also you did not rebuttal the camphor issue, or the Palladium Sand/Durium Sand thing. That SHOULD BE one sand, and everything else kept the same, there be no difference in story or gameplay. They are not even real.

SE can do whatever they want and they sure can, remember functionality and game play > petty story. This game has too many items , and do not know a single person that cares about what items are used in what like you are. So please, when you reply again, understand my point? There are TOO MANY ITEMS IN THIS GAME, we need item removal, and they did it before going to 2.0. how come your not whining about how we do not have to carry arrows and have bolt heads and other materials that got removed? So your story debate is invalid. Extra immersion is nice, but not at the cost of game functionality.

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I will make it clearer for you, functionally > story. I care not for names at all. This game is not working as is, so I am giving ideas how to trim out receptive items. Repetitive items means same items that come from the same node that serve like purposes in synths. i do not care if they rename them after removing the receptive items. I am here pointing out how it can be better managed. Funny how other games that I know does not have this issue with too many items for crafting. I said all this in my last post, and you are making me repeat myself, I hope you understand now. So if you understood my point, you wouldn't of made this post that means nothing to me.

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I guess we should just cut out the main story, and job quests, and unlocking quests and... make each crafting item only require "blacksmith materials" "carpenter materials" and "culinarian materials" etc, since that makes functionality over story right?

You say they should stop using low level items, but then those are no longer used at all and serve "no point other than for a few synths".

They removed some of the more ridiculous parts used in crafting, like having to make "helmet lining" before crafting the helmet, all they did was cut a step out, but the raw materials are still used. They DID NOT REMOVE ANY BASE MATERIALS. Thats just simplifying the steps, not ignoring story.

The game functionality is fine. You gather mats, craft, receive crafted item. The game does not work for you because you hold onto everything you possibly can just in case. This is a separate issue.

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I guess we should just cut out the main story, and job quests, and unlocking quests and... make each crafting item only require "blacksmith materials" "carpenter materials" and "culinarian materials" etc, since that makesfunctionality over story right?

You say they should stop using low level items, but then those are no longer used at all and serve "no point other than for a few synths".

They removed some of the more ridiculous parts used in crafting, like having to make "helmet lining" before crafting the helmet, all they did was cut a step out, but the raw materials are still used. They DID NOT REMOVE ANY BASE MATERIALS. Thats just simplifying the steps, not ignoring story.

The game functionality is fine. You gather mats, craft, receive crafted item. The game does not work for you because you hold onto everything you possibly can just in case. This is a separate issue.

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Ignoring what I said and taken to unwanted extremes as always while putting words in my mouth. I am just going to say "no" to that post. You did not even comment correctly what I was saying about low level materials. You do not understand my points at all, but then again it is something you always do.

> Plays Final Fantasy.
> Complains about the Fantasy being well-crafted and in-depth.

I'm almost impressed.

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It is fine that they think they are creating some great immersive world but having the right ratio of stuff to make Copper. But they also need to design inside the limits of their servers. If they didn't have to keep worrying about server strain for inventory where could that time be spent. When the sky is the limit, designing it is great. When it isn't and you repeatedly use excuse's infrastructure, manpower, money you look a little (insert derogatory term of choice here).

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Ignoring what I said and taken to unwanted extremes as always while putting words in my mouth. I am just going to say "no" to that post. You did not even comment correctly what I was saying about low level materials. You do not understand my points at all, but then again it is something you always do.

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And you are immediately dismissive of anyone who does not agree with you regarding this matter. It goes both ways sister.

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And you are immediately dismissive of anyone who does not agree with you regarding this matter. It goes both ways sister.

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No I am not, stop harassing me. Here is why your post is out of line, maybe it is good to reply to other people as well? You can't just stawman me/ attack me (depending who you are referencing) then blame me for being dismissive when you can't even understand what I am saying. Of course I am going to be dismissive if you are not even replying in such a way that shows you are understanding what I am saying?

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It is fine that they think they are creating some great immersive world but having the right ratio of stuff to make Copper. But they also need to design inside the limits of their servers. If they didn't have to keep worrying about server strain for inventory where could that time be spent. When the sky is the limit, designing it is great. When it isn't and you repeatedly use excuse's infrastructure, manpower, money you look a little (insert derogatory term of choice here).

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No I am not, stop harassing me. Here is why your post is out of line, maybe it is good to reply to other people as well? You can't just stawman me/ attack me (depending who you are referencing) then blame me for being dismissive when you can't even understand what I am saying. Of course I am going to be dismissive if you are not even replying in such a way that shows you are understanding what I am saying?

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Ok, lets put it this way then. To use your examples of Wyrm Obsidian and branches. They are used in a few synths, and generally in small quantities of 1-2. Why do they need to be removed, when it only takes a couple of hits on a node to gather the required mats, when you don't need to store them for frequent use. Removing these would mean that they would be replaced with something you use more often, which means you would need to store more, and would increase inventory bloat, not reduce it.

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Ok, lets put it this way then. To use your examples of Wyrm Obsidian and branches. They are used in a few synths, and generally in small quantities of 1-2. Why do they need to be removed, when itonly takes a couple of hits on a node to gather the required mats, when you don't need to store them for frequent use. Removing these would mean that they would be replaced with something you use more often, which means you would need to store more, and would increase inventory bloat, not reduce it.

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1. More items = more data= more stress on the servers, Devs complain about this
2. More different items to use in synth means more space to take up, more data, that doesnt need be using up if they get rid of little use items like that
3. People do not want to buy those items in stacks of 99 (well atm 4.1 changed that for Wyrm Obsidian because they put it in houses) so NOW people will buy that in stacks of 99 and actually need it, but that can go to another item to that node should it be dropped. Branches suffer from that as well, people do not want those in 99, you are hard pressed to use 99 branches in one go, so if people level off that because random pick or whatever, it can also effect the econ of that item because people will keep going lower and lower. Before 4.1 all obsidians suffered from this.

Basically they need to remove items because they always complaining there it too much data going to the servers and such, so if that is the case, remove these repeated items. If they can't give us the space for their bloat, trim the bloat, as pointed out:

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It is fine that they think they are creating some great immersive world but having the right ratio of stuff to make Copper. But they also need to design inside the limits of their servers. If they didn't have to keep worrying about server strain for inventory where could that time be spent. When the sky is the limit, designing it is great. When it isn't and you repeatedly use excuse's infrastructure, manpower, money you look a little (insert derogatory term of choice here).

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Also here is what I said about lower level items in high synths, you completely took what I said the wrong way:

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(keep in mind when I speak of item removal it does not hurt gather exp since it is just the same item from the same node basically. Speaking of, if we go to my high steel exmaple, I would not mind keeping it taking iron ore if they removed iron ore from being sold by NPCs, this allows low level gathers get exp and able sell something to higher players like silver ore, Mythril Ore, etc. I always found it odd that iron ore is sold by npcs because of that. But if the item is sold by npc for 4k or less (often 100 gil or less), said items have no business being in 51+ synths, same with rubber, just remove that from higher level stuff.)

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You can't have immersion to this detail when you have the devs complaining servers are over stressed.

You are misunderstanding WHY the dev's are saying what they are about items. Its not that the game has too many items, its that they cannot increase inventory space due to the way the system writes your inventory to a save state frequently. These are 2 different things. Reducing the number of items would not help this.

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You are misunderstanding WHY the dev's are saying what they are about items. Its not that the game has too many items, its that they cannot increase inventory space due to the way the system writes your inventory to a save state frequently. These are 2 different things. Reducing the number of items would not help this.

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Yes it does because its less items we need to hold to craft. Also I know that is the real issue and I know they need to fix that coding because of the lag that makes, but if they want to stick with it for whatever reason, we NEED LESS ITEMS to deal with.

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Yes it does because its less items we need to hold to craft. Also I know that is the real issue and I know they need to fix that coding because of the lag that makes, but if they want to stick with it for whatever reason, we NEED LESS ITEMS to deal with.

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Except do you really need to hold on to items you only need small quantites of very infrequently? Wehns the last time you used a yew branch or a shard of obsidian?

Well most my job almost at Lv70 and I have no issue with gear only keep what I'm actually GOING to use. Idk about crafting yet.

A account wide bank like in Guild Wars 2 would be neat. Though never get this probably lol

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Except do you really need to hold on to items you only need small quantites of very infrequently? Wehns the last time you used a yew branch or a shard of obsidian?

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Why don't they put 90% of this casual mats on vendor. Like they did when they added housing vendors. I am not positive but I think you can craft most of 1-20 from the vendors. If they want us to earn these vendors through a craft/msq/some trial. Their has to be some reasonable ground. I generally don't keep quick gather mats. But this game also has a lot of shitty timers.

A lot of gear could be locked behind some vendor in another way. We all agree they aren't as skilled as other dev teams to probably do a glamour properly. Hell people run primals and gets 100s of tokens. While shitty an achievement completed "Crystal Tower 100 times" unlocks a vendor. Probably at the start of when ilvl is basically hunt gear. It isn't a great fix but it works inside the game.

Anyone has seen these forums knows your stance on SE. But they could sure do a lot of other stuff. They could make some compromises inside the game as is. The only people who have to make compromise right now are players spend time doing it a second time, pay someone, pay retainer to get it(also timed), pay retainer to hold it. As we all know one side is pro SE and the other isn't. I have seen very little give on their side as they lined pockets for years.

If we were wishing that fish had wings. An instanced house with built in account storage. That data wouldn't have to be loaded till you entered. You could share items among alts. Everyone gets some sort of personal space.

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Okay you know what, stop. That is ridiculous. You know absolutely nothing about me Princess. You know nothing about how long I've played. You know nothing about how I craft. You know nothing about how I glamour. And you dang sure know nothing about what content I play.

You think you can look at Lodestone and use that to judge someone's game? How long have you played? For someone who claims to know so much and is able to tell people who know what, you seem to not know that Lodestone doesn't tell you that each job/class I play has it's own separate glamour regardless of level. Lodestone doesn't tell you how much I have raided. How many of the trials I beat in the past. How much I PvP. How much I play. What I have in my inventory. What I gather. What I craft. What content I've done in general. So stop. Stop belittling ME with your accusals with no basis whatsoever because you think you know everything.

Oh and stop attacking me. You're the worst offender here.

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Okay you know what, stop. That is ridiculous. You know absolutely nothing about me Princess. You know nothing about how long I've played. You know nothing about how I craft. You know nothing about how Iglamour. And you dang sure know nothing about what content I play.

You think you can look at Lodestone and use that to judge someone's game? How long have you played? For someone who claims to know so much and is able to tell people who know what, you seem to not know that Lodestone doesn't tell you that each job/class I play has it's own separate glamour regardless of level. Lodestone doesn't tell you how much I have raided. How many of the trials I beat in the past. How much I PvP. How much I play. What I have in my inventory. What I gather. What I craft. What content I've done in general. So stop. Stop belittling ME with your accusals with no basis whatsoever because you think you know everything.

Oh and stop attacking me. You're the worst offender here.

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I did not attack you, just stating the truth. You attacked me in your first post, and I was simply explaining why you felt the need to do so. I see nothing wrong in doing that. There is nothing wrong with not knowing the full game yet and not knowing how much items you need to hold when it comes to endgame crafting and gathering. When you are crafting the top stuff when it is new, you do not simply toss out overflows. You should take your own advice and not assume people with inventory problems are holding on items that are sold by vendors.

Or are you going to sit here and tell me you tossed out ores 30-60k each while all your retainers are sitting on 1M+ items in all slots? I am shocked you are still trying to defend your self and making me look like the bad person when I did nothing wrong, ok makes sense.

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Except do you really need to hold on to items you only need small quantites of very infrequently? Wehns the last time you used a yew branch or a shard of obsidian?

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today, few hours ago... oh yew..? I do not keep any of that, i do not craft yew based stuff. obsidian? hope you do not mean BASE obsidian, because I do not hold vendor items. I do not go to vendor for that though, usally iron ore, rubber, and whatever that water item is, too many water items, hate that icon, why does deepyeye tears share it?