Veteran Reward changes - Big slap in the face for long time vets?

It's all well and good making these things easier accessible to players. But why just those that have played for a month or so?

Why aren't those if us who have been here since the start being given new veteran rewards? At the end of the day i no feel happy with my Leonhart outfit if it takes 1/5 of the time it took me and others to obtain. It makes it less special

Why not wait to see what the value of a single 10 point achievement is, that nanamo might be very difficult to get regardless.

really upset about this change but its a smart way to keep people subbed

I finally got the last reward a few weeks ago, but I'm glad for this change. When an item takes that long to get it makes me feel bad for my friends who want it but can't have it. It's not like earning a hard to get item in game, you can actually work towards that. When there's nothing you can do but wait years it's a little ridiculous in my opinion.

Just another step towards removing rarity from the game. Personally I'm waiting for when they hand out the Feast rewards to everyone, can't be bothered to put up with the actual PvP.

REALLY SE? Wow no offense but come on this is a huge slap in the face for your loyal players who some have been with you since day one on this game. At least make us feel special -.-...

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lumina

Cross-posting my thoughts on this from the other thread...

Seriously Square Enix? So much for "here's a special thank you for being a great customer for over 4 years".

You know I really didn't want to accept Limit Break Radios opinion that SE doesn't care about their long term player base and continue to only focus on attempts to pull new people in, sometimes at the expense of the experience of their long term players, but time and time again they continue to prove the theory right with their actions. I'm disgusted.

---

Are you a Legacy player? If so, your "thank you" is paying $5 less than every other person from 2.0 onward. For reference sake, you have saved $240. That essentially means the base game and both expansions were paid for by Square Enix for supporting the game during its dark times. So spare me.

I mean, what was the point of staying subbed for 4 years if I'll get all the same bonus stuff with paying 1/4 of that sum now? And no, there was no real need to be subbed all the time between patches because new patches content lasts two-three weeks tops and the rest was draught and between-patch lull filled with meaningless dailies.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lumina

Cross-posting my thoughts on this from the other thread...

Seriously Square Enix? So much for "here's a special thank you for being a great customer for over 4 years".

You know I really didn't want to accept Limit Break Radios opinion that SE doesn't care about their long term player base and continue to only focus on attempts to pull new people in, sometimes at the expense of the experience of their long term players, but time and time again they continue to prove the theory right with their actions. I'm disgusted.

---

Disgusted for what? It changes nothing for you and we get the new players to stay longer which is good for us and for the longevity of the game. And you'll still get rewards with the new system of 3 months subbed.

What more do you want? Do you really want for a new player to have to wait for 4 years to get all rewards? or you think that they just don't deserve that cause they got here late? you know that at some point it'll be just impossible to get everything cause the game will end before that, probably substituted by a new one.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tyrn

Just another step towards removing rarity from the game. Personally I'm waiting for when they hand out the Feast rewards to everyone, can't be bothered to put up with the actual PvP.

---

That ship already sailed in S3 with the Top 10 minion. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

On topic: I'm not sure how I feel about this yet. Like, I should be bothered, but I'm not. I'm not exactly happy with it, but also not upset. . . I really have no idea how I feel about this yet. . .

Why are the Legacy players so mad? Special mounts, equippables, the tattoo, subscription discounts, titles, and of course memories are bonuses that the rest of us will never see. They're still including fan service for Legacy players in new content now, even though it makes newer players feel left out when it's blatantly obvious we're missing a reference to something exclusive from the past.

Veterans already have a lot of benefits, like being able to get a house more easily, or enjoying long-gone in-game events, or having access to some of those older items which never appeared in the cash shop, or the simple benefit of having played the game for all of this time while others missed out. What's the point in being angry that other people get a quicker route to a few extra clothes?

(If people were genuinely staying subscribed and not actively playing the game and enjoying it, just to get Squall's costume, well, maybe it's actually a good opportunity to reflect on that.)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Are you a Legacy player? If so, your "thank you" is paying $5 less than every other person from 2.0 onward. For reference sake, you have saved $240. That essentially means the base game and both expansions were paid for by Square Enix for supporting the game during its dark times. So spare me.

---

So in some other words , we save $240 , while some us pay more to have a service running as smooth as possible ( Higher dedicated gaming line ), having to deal with game quality going down do to players complaining game is too hard, hearing people complain that dedication doesn't pay off? Hmmm yes those $240 are nice yet they get it back 10 fold in optional services, item exclusive sales, and oh let us not forget their great customer service support from their online store -.-... I'm Legacy and even I have to agree some things should be kept exclusive rather than have them in game rewards after the fact that they should be treated as a limited time exclusive.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SuperZay

I mean, what was the point of staying subbed for 4 years if I'll get all the same bonus stuff with paying 1/4 of that sum now? And no, there was no real need to be subbed all the time between patches because new patches content lasts two-three weeks tops and the rest was draught and between-patch lull filled with meaningless dailies.

---

If it's going to start saving you that much money now it must be a welcome change.

I'm a bit torn on this. While I'd like to see long time subscribers to get rewards, i understand them wanting to reward the newer subscribers. at the same time tho, with 3 years under my belt....im left a bit saddened that I wont be able to acquire new items at that sub level. But it is what it is.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Legewiel

What more do you want?

---

We want players who paid $156 and $624 in their subs to be treated differently. What's the point to pay $468 more if you gain no benefit from it?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

So in some other words , we save $240 , while some us pay more to have a service running as smooth as possible ( Higher dedicated gaming line ), having to deal with game quality going down do to players complaining game is too hard, hearing people complain that dedication doesn't pay off? Hmmm yes those $240 are nice yet they get it back 10 fold in optional services, item exclusive sales, and oh let us not forget their great customer service support from their online store -.-... I'm Legacy and even I have to agree some things should be kept exclusive rather than have them in game rewards after the fact that they should be treated as a limited time exclusive.

---

But newer players can spend money on all of those other things too. And they do.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Serilda

Veterans already have a lot of benefits, like being able to get a house more easily, or enjoying long-gone in-game events, or having access to some of those older items which never appeared in the cash shop, or the simple benefit of having played the game for all of this time while others missed out. What's the point in being angry that other people get a quicker route to a few extra clothes?

(If people were genuinely staying subscribed and not actively playing the game and enjoying it, just to get Squall's costume, well, maybe it's actually a good opportunity to reflect on that.)

---

Hmmm getting houses more easily? Nope we still had to do the work for them, I myself had to take time off work and camp them out. Just like today's generation ( Cupcake / snowflake ) people think they should all be given a trophy just for trying -.-.

To be be fair the system needed changes in the first place, however they caused the entire problem themselves (When the squall outfit was released it was about 360 days to get it on top of already being subbed 3 years in a row, seriously?) with the amount of time in between increasing as time went on when it first started as every month. So it takes about 30 less days now in a row than people that were caught up had to pay to get the squall outfit when they first implemented it. Not entirely that terrible, 1 year sub is still quite the investment. They just dropped needing everything else. IMO they should have gave people that reached 1, 2, 3, and 4 years in the old system something a little extra, maybe some titles or something that current players could also get if they reached those milestones.

I'm not fussed, I was at the start, but now that I realize I have 10k achievement points to spare, I'm not annoyed that others are able to get it. But I will say, this is something they should have done the day the Advent attire was added, as I believe that was the first set they added.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Lumina

I'm on a legacy character but didn't qualify for the discount, so you can chill with the attitude. I have however played since 2.0 beta and haven't missed a months worth of sub time, even in the slow times. Until today square valued that and showed their appreciation for my loyalty. Now they're backpedaling on that. The existing rewards should have been left alone and new stuff been offfered in other ways, like the falcon mount.

---

No they didn't. The Veteran Rewards system existed primarily to incentivize continual subscriptions. Why do you think they always chose nostalgic outfits? The whole intent was for Final Fantasy fans to feel compelled to continue playing so they could get their potentially favourite character's outfits. That incentive gradually lost its luster when new players would be waiting until the twilight of FFXIV's life cycle to obtain these items hence the change.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SuperZay

We want players who paid $156 and $624 in their subs to be treated differently. What's the point to pay $468 more if you gain no benefit from it?

---

How about that you got to play the game? If you remained subscribed just to lord over the fact you got a timed exclusive faster, that says more about you than anyone else. Your subscription went towards access to the game itself. Veteran Rewards were nothing more than a bonus.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SuperZay

We want players who paid $156 and $624 in their subs to be treated differently. What's the point to pay $468 more if you gain no benefit from it?

---

I keep seeing people say this, and I can't help but wonder. Do you sub to this game to actually play it? Or do you pay every month in anticipation of the next "reward" you might get from your sub time? Cause it sure seems like the latter to me.

I've never personally cared about the veteran rewards past the free fantasia. The rest is just bonus, and we can still get all those rewards just by a different means. Veteran players literally lose nothing but their seniority bat they wave around if they happen to decide to wear their Leonhart glam.

Really feel bad for the people who spent hundreds of dollars on this glamour and all they got out of it now is all this useless game time.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LucaCres

It's all well and good making these things easier accessible to players. But why just those that have played for a month or so?

Why aren't those if us who have been here since the start being given new veteran rewards? At the end of the day i no feel happy with my Leonhart outfit if it takes 1/5 of the time it took me and others to obtain. It makes it less special

---

They are setting up a system that could, potentially, allow us to buy new rewards through achievement points. We don't know this for sure, other than the achievement point system will exist, but to me it seems likely. And if that's the case? Like someone else said, we have a dang good head start. Also, the Leonhart outfit is the ONLY one I personally cared about, so...I will be wearing it forever once I do get my hands on it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SuperZay

So did legacy players, why same logic can't be applied to legacy mounts/tatoo/titles etc? They supported the game in its terrible state, but so did veteran players during content draughts between patches when everyone else took a break.

---

Unequal comparison. Legacy players played a game that no longer exists, and got rewards for their loyalty to a completely different game. Veteran rewards are vanity items rewarded to people who just happen to either fork out more money than others for 180 day subs/game time cards (not everyone with the Squall outfit has actually been playing/subbed since launch), or for people who have played longer, and got to enjoy the rewards for far longer than newer players.

It’s highly unlikely that all these doomsday sayer complaints (“They’re going to do away with the Legacy subscription price next” “They’re going to start offering newbies the WoL Tattoo/Legacy Chocobo”) are actually going to come to pass, and they are ridiculous and misplaced. LEGACY rewards are NOT the same as VETERAN rewards. Quite frankly, this mindset of “veteran exclusivity” is about as ridiculous as the “exclusivity” that is attributed to past event items that took 10~15 minutes of time and minimal effort to obtain when they were in-game—some people got them for free for pressing a single button to breeze through Quest dialogue/do a simple mini game, and others paid $5 USD for it. Big deal. People need to get over it; why does it matter so much?

I’m glad that they’re making rewards like Squall’s outfit easier to obtain. I got my Cloud outfit about a month ago, but I’m not complaining that now it’s easier for newer players to obtain a glamour that they may have wanted as much as I did. At the end of the day, they’re virtual vanity items, and I care more about the time I have played this game and friends I have made and people I have met compared to them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They are setting up a system that could, potentially, allow us to buy new rewards through achievement points. We don't know this for sure, other than the achievement point system will exist, but to me it seems likely. And if that's the case? Like someone else said, we have a dang good head start. Also, the Leonhart outfit is the ONLY one I personally cared about, so...I will be wearing it forever once I do get my hands on it.

---

Provided they improve their achievements to something more engaging like, "beat Halicarnassus Savage without using LB" or "finish this dungeon in x amount of time," this could be a fantastic way to incentivize doing actual content. Yoshida did express interest in ideas like that during his interview with MrHappy a while back. For those playing since beta, they'll have all the 1.0 achievements no longer obtainable, which allows for a considerable head start as mentioned. Frankly, I love the potential this has if done well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Provided they improve their achievements to something more engaging like, "beat Halicarnassus Savage without using LB"

For those playing since beta, they'll have all the 1.0 achievements no longer obtainable, which allows for a considerable head start as mentioned. Frankly, I love the potential this has if done well.

---

Yeah, I wouldn't mind achievements like this. They could actually be a lot of fun to do. I reference WoW a lot, but they really do a lot of things right despite their faults. The achievement system is one of them, which is similar to what you mentioned. Also, I've been here since 2.0, so 1.0 players would definitely have a bigger edge than me or anyone else in the same boat. That's fine, they earned it, but even 2.0 players will at least have a bit of an advantage too if this comes to pass so I would call it a win/win for everyone.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

Really feel bad for the people who spent hundreds of dollars on this glamour and all they got out of it now is all this useless game time.

---

Lol, for real. I just got the Wild Rose barding and Firion Minion last week and I think the changes are great.

I mean, we complained this stuff was outrageously hard to earn for newer players, which it was, so SE made it easier and are allowing us to keep all rewards we've earned and accounting veteran's times to new system so we can also get the vanity easier.... And players that earned it under the old system complain it's a crap deal for them??

Yeah okay.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ametrine

Lol, for real. I just got the Wild Rose barding and Firion Minion last week and I think the changes are great.

I mean, we complained this stuff was outrageously hard to earn for newer players, which it was, so SE made it easier and are allowing us to keep all rewards we've earned and accounting veteran's times to new system so we can also get the vanity easier.... And players that earned it under the old system complain it's a crap deal for them??

Yeah okay.

---

Welcome to General Discussion, where logic is a pipe dream.

vets don't lose anything out of this you keep everything, even your achievement points that is needed to get the items now since you already have them all.

while i am not against free stuff it certainly isn't some huge slap to anyone who has subbed for a long time, it simply helps people who want glamour that unlike the rest of the stuff in the game has stayed behind a huge gate that never budged. not only that it also technically hurts new players since they don't naturally get the items even if the cost isn't high its still less then what the vets get in the end.

12 Years of World of Warcraft (would have been thirteen years this November 24,2017) taught me one thing, "Do not Expect Anything" for playing a game. If you like the game, stay subscribed and manage to get a few rewards in the process that's great, if not oh well.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SuperZay

We want players who paid $156 and $624 in their subs to be treated differently. What's the point to pay $468 more if you gain no benefit from it?

---

The point of paying a sub is to be able to play the game. If you really paid a sub even when you weren't playing just in order to get a bunch of mediocre cosmetic rewards, then you have nobody to blame but yourself for that silliness.
You will be able get the rewards in question anyway now so you haven't really lost anything.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SuperZay

We want players who paid $156 and $624 in their subs to be treated differently. What's the point to pay $468 more if you gain no benefit from it?

---

While the change itself is pretty lame for people that have not dropped a sub since the game came out, this is just opening another can of worms. What about people who buy from the cash shop a lot? Should they be treated like royalty in comparison to everyone else?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Vaer

While the change itself is pretty lame for people that have not dropped a sub since the game came out, this is just opening another can of worms. What about people who buy from the cash shop a lot? Should they be treated like royalty in comparison to everyone else?

---

Nope, people who buy from the cash shop are just as valued as those people who pay a subscription fee. If the only thing players look at before subscribing to a game is "Am I going to get some cool in game items" than it is time to reevaluate the reason you play online subscription based games. When I made the switch from World of Warcraft to Final Fantasy it had nothing to do with the awesome in game items I would get. I chose to make the switch because I Love MMO's and was ready to try something different.

My friends and I were were talking about this on discord and Im kinda torn. On one hand, I don’t care for the cosplay glams all that much so I don’t really mind them being easy to obtain. On the other, even if I bought 180 days I’d be a little shy of getting the Firion minon/barding, which means Im going to need to “buy it” across all my characters with achievement points :/

Been playing since July 2013. These changes don't matter to me. I got my final veteran rewards not long ago and the thought that newer players only need to sub for a year doesn't impact me at all. I sub for the game - the rewards are just nice little thank yous.

Waited a long time for the Cloud outfit and all that matters to me is that I have it. If someone can get it much sooner than I was able to then oh well since its not like waiting for time to pass by was hard work.

I have cool pants so nothing brings me down.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ToppeHatte

Really feel bad for the people who spent hundreds of dollars on this glamour and all they got out of it now is all this useless game time.

---

So the gametime is/was useless but a glamour is useful?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

So the gametime is/was useless but a glamour is useful?

---

I think you might have missed the sarcasm in the post you quoted.

Either that, or I missed the duplicity in yours.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SuperionG1

If the only thing players look at before subscribing to a game is "Am I going to get some cool in game items" than it is time to reevaluate the reason you play online subscription based games.

---

Getting into how people spend their money is eh. People spend their money for different reasons, limited/collector's editions exist and all that. There may be some of the opinion that spending money on games is dumb in the first place, too. The value of something is purely subjective.

I remember WoW had this limited bundle deal when Diablo 3 was releasing, where you could get tyrael's charger if you paid 1 year sub on WoW. I saw quite a few people with the mount. This is kinda the same thing other than it not really being limited.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tsunenori

However! Can we maybe just get that Fantasia for everyone? It helps out new players who completed the 2.0 MSQ before their free time ended (who, as far as I can tell, straight up won't get one now), and it's a nice bonus for your longer term subscribers in the face of the reduced rewards.

---

^ This right here. Not everyone getting the Fantasia for doing the quest is more of a slap in the face then the reduced veteran rewards imo.