Scholar Feedback

I feel the SCH skills themselves are fine as they are for the most part, but the insane mana cost of some of the skills such as Adlo and Succor, is just too much, mostly in AoE situations.

I'm at item level of 308 if I recall correctly and managed to reach high DPS briefly thanks to Miasma II spam, but darn if it wasn't taxing on mana, even with Lucid Dreaming, Aetherflow and Energy Drain, leaving me with very few options to keep the tank alive.

As far as I'm aware, SE doesn't much care about balancing classes according to data from dungeons, but rather from raids such as Omega Savage, which would be fine otherwise if we didn't spend roughly 70% of playtime in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by plasmacutter

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If they were to convert some healing spells into straight up shields and vice versa, I'd rather have Succor for shields and Indom as a heal. I have time to apply shields, and they'd linger for a good while, but if people are dying I need them healed NOW.

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

I feel the SCH skills themselves are fine as they are for the most part, but the insane mana cost of some of the skills such as Adlo and Succor, is just too much, mostly in AoE situations.

I'm at item level of 308 if I recall correctly and managed to reach high DPS briefly thanks to Miasma II spam, but darn if it wasn't taxing on mana, even with Lucid Dreaming, Aetherflow and Energy Drain, leaving me with very few options to keep the tank alive.

As far as I'm aware, SE doesn't much care about balancing classes according to data from dungeons, but rather from raids such as Omega Savage, which would be fine otherwise if we didn't spend roughly 70% of playtime in dungeons.

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If they were to convert some healing spells into straight up shields and vice versa, I'd rather have Succor for shields and Indom as a heal. I have time to apply shields, and they'd linger for a good while, but if people are dying I need them healed NOW.

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I politely suggest when judging a skill we should look at all the elements. So for things like Adlo and Succor this includes time, effect and cost.
Based on this I'd say that these are not fine.
It's just another way of viewing things, but I think it's important to give the first line verdict based on all aspects :):):)

Well, if you want to look at all the elements, where are you "spamming" Succor in a dungeon? Cause there isn't a single place that should be happening. You should be using Indom for quick AoE heal and because it's Aetherflow to build the fairy gauge between pulls. Even pre-70 before the gauge, this should be standard practice. Before Indom, you'd use Succor every now and then for AoE along with Whispering Dawn but it's cost is way less at those levels to compensate not having Indom.

Compare to say the savage fight where Succor is used the most, around 30-50x in O4 savage, Neo ExDeath. But that's nearly a 13 minute fight and lots of Aetherflow uses and Lucid to keep MP going. You aren't spamming it there either, and you also use Indom quite a bit for quick-ups. For Almagest DoT you are assisting the regen healer to mitigate the first hits and then re-apply to help as-needed for mechanics like delta attacks and flares. For Neverwhere and last phase, you help the regen healer every few GCDs as-needed. So they don't run out of MP using Cure III or Helios on their own.

Ideally Scholar should be using its Aetherflow skills aggressively otherwise you are not building the fairy gauge which is the bread-and-butter regen for the biggest level 70 dungeon pulls you can do in this game. If you keep manual healing too much you basically are locking out the best tools of your kit, and that is faster MP regeneration with Quickened Aetherflow and use of fairy tether.

You should never spam Adlo either, in-fact you should never be casting it back-to-back on the same target. As the 2nd Adlo can apply before the first shield even applies, so you practically wasted the cost. It should be used sporadically, and in a dungeon setting in a sense it's a supplemental tank cooldown on-top of Whispering Dawn, force embrace, and/or Lustrate. It should not be a spam heal.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

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I essentially said that Adlo/Succor would be fine if they weren't so expensive, didn't I? Unless that's not what you meant.

Anyway, I can believe that Scholars are fine in raids, I can't recall having any serious problems in Susano/Lakshmi EX, but I'd like to see some quality of life improvements in my day to day stuff such as dungeons, where I'd love nothing more than having the tank pulling half the dungeon while being able to support such shenanigans as a Scholar without it being too stressful and unreliable.

*cough* WHM Holy stunlock/Assize/Benediction/Thin Air *cough*

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Originally Posted by technole

Deployment is the best healer progression skill. SCH can recover from a raid spaghetti mess just because of that skill.

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Eh... *waggles hand*

Outside of a Critlo (unreliable), it's only 300p and locked behind a 90s CD. Compare to Noct.Asp.Helios, which is 258.75p on the GCD, with a 172.5p party heal attached. Only 41.25p less shielding, and available for every mechanic. Not saying that Deployment Tactics isn't a great skill, but calling it "the best healer progression skill" when Noct.AST exists in it's current form feels off, especially when progression is where SCH has the most trouble, with trying to plan it's CDs/Aetherflows around an unknown fight.

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Originally Posted by Jollyy5

I essentially said that Adlo/Succor would be fine if they weren't so expensive, didn't I? Unless that's not what you meant.

Anyway, I can believe that Scholars are fine in raids, I can't recall having any serious problems in Susano/Lakshmi EX, but I'd like to see some quality of life improvements in my day to day stuff such as dungeons, where I'd love nothing more than having the tank pulling half the dungeon while being able to support such shenanigans as a Scholar without it being too stressful and unreliable.

*cough* WHM Holy stunlock/Assize/Benediction/Thin Air *cough*

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Since I'm currently maining a whm - I like your cough :)

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Originally Posted by Riyshn

Eh... *waggles hand*

Outside of a Critlo (unreliable), it's only 300p and locked behind a 90s CD. Compare to Noct.Asp.Helios, which is 258.75p on the GCD, with a 172.5p party heal attached. Only 41.25p less shielding, and available for every mechanic. Not saying that Deployment Tactics isn't a great skill, but calling it "the best healer progression skill" when Noct.AST exists in it's current form feels off, especially when progression is where SCH has the most trouble, with trying to plan it's CDs/Aetherflows around an unknown fight.

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And this is the problem of course.
Because they made Ast a sort of magpie build, mimicking or direct copying existing skills, there is this continual comparison.
As raids only need two of the three, then one will always be seen to be at the back of the queue.
Said it before, Ast should have been a substantially different kind of healer - maybe a sword and board melee type, to really get away from the original two.

Scholar benefits from the amount of free healing available in-progression, it's just merely aligning those cool downs where they can best be-used on-cooldown to get most uses while also supplementing the other healer. When you think of about the thought of getting perhaps nine whispering dawns in a fight or more, and how many deployments possible, at little cost. Fey Illumination can easily be seen as an double healer ilvl boost just like Largesse is for each healer for mechanical heals. You'd be surprised how much you can recover when things go south just because Eos's heavy lifting.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

And this is the problem of course.
Because they made Ast a sort of magpie build, mimicking or direct copying existing skills, there is this continual comparison.
As raids only need two of the three, then one will always be seen to be at the back of the queue.

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Incorrect. As I said before several times, all three healers have the most relatively balanced clear rates in savage, since the introduction of Astrologian. It hasn't been this good, ever.

All three healers were represented in the first three O4S clears. So saying one job is at the back of the bus in-progression is a gross mistatement.

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Originally Posted by technole

Incorrect. As I said before several times, all three healers have the most relatively balanced clear rates in savage, since the introduction of Astrologian. It hasn't been this good, ever.

All three healers were represented in the first three O4S clears. So saying one job is at the back of the bus in-progression is a gross mistatement.

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And SE will need to tread very carefully to maintain this, as farming groups are already leaning towards an AST+SCH preference once more. (I'm OK with all 3 healers have representation in progression... just I don't want that to disappear).

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Originally Posted by technole

Incorrect. As I said before several times, all three healers have the most relatively balanced clear rates in savage, since the introduction of Astrologian. It hasn't been this good, ever.

All three healers were represented in the first three O4S clears. So saying one job is at the back of the bus in-progression is a gross mistatement.

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It's not that they can't do it. It's that the group with the scholar probably struggled a lot more. With a scholar in the group you need that perfect run to get some bosses during progression. It's like this boss's mechanics require x amount of healing if done right. And when in progression not optimally geared yet, scholar can do x+2% and the other two can do x+15% . It's just a lot more wiggle room. Especially when in progression where mistakes can happen that extra possible healing matters. It's a QOL changes needed more than anything. Cause while we can do it it's just harder for us and our groups.

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Originally Posted by Teraluna

And this is the problem of course.
Because they made Ast a sort of magpie build, mimicking or direct copying existing skills, there is this continual comparison.
As raids only need two of the three, then one will always be seen to be at the back of the queue.
Said it before, Ast should have been a substantially different kind of healer - maybe a sword and board melee type, to really get away from the original two.

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I'm rather surprised looking back that they didn't use the cards as their primary healing mechanic. Stock a card, it effects the next 5/10 Aspected casts, each card effecting it in a different way. It makes the class unique, since your Aspected casts would be completely different depending on what you draw and stock for it.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I'm rather surprised looking back that they didn't use the cards as their primary healing mechanic. Stock a card, it effects the next 5/10 Aspected casts, each card effecting it in a different way. It makes the class unique, since your Aspected casts would be completely different depending on what you draw and stock for it.

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RNG healing? That's a terrible idea...

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

RNG healing? That's a terrible idea...

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RNG buffing, that's a terrible idea. . .

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

RNG buffing, that's a terrible idea. . .

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Yes. That's why they changed balance back to 10% and made spear useful. Now ast have 3 "good" cards, 2 rr fodder and 1 situational card, the bole. Thanks to sleeve draw and reroll what little rng remained can be further reduce almost to zero.

RNG healing, on the other hand, would be way worse because of how healing works in this game (not gonna explain that, anyone with a little experience in ex trials and raids surely knows the reason). This is why, again, they completely removed any rng element from whm lilies mechanic and plenary indulgence.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

This is why, again, they completely removed any rng element from whm lilies mechanic and plenary indulgence.

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Quickened Aetherflow and Hyper Lightspeed, as well. Still not sure why they kept the RNG on Secret of the Lilly II.

I have a bit more complaints about ability meshing.

I have a problem with Deployment. It just doesn't do enough, and yes I know it's a strong ability as is, but there is something i don't like about it. So we have DT and it only works with one of our buffs, It used to be 2 but now that is a role skill but it's still not one of our buffs anymore. I would like deploy to work with any of our buffs, and of course I mean it should function with Excog. I know at current it would be over powered like that but these are things that we need to make our abilities mesh with each other better.

I want this mainly because I see a class like AST, which they have two abilities that extend the duration of buffs they have on players. These abilities if they followed rules like ours would either work solely on their card, or the buffs given by their aspected moves, but not both. That's not what happens though, those moves work with any buffs a AST can give. Even strong CDs like Collective Unconsciousness and Synestry get extended. This is proper meshing of a jobs moves. I don't know why we have so many abilities that look like they should work together but don't. Proper meshing of our moves would mean Deploy would work with Excog, Bane would work with Chain Strategem, and rouse would work with Aetherpact.

I think I would like to see Deployment Tactics become a mirror of Emergency Tactics, where it converts the next heal into a Galvanize shield. Not really sure if it should only work with Adlo/Succor, or specifically not work with them (because of Galvanize just overwriting itself) and functionally be a modifier on the AE heals.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

RNG healing? That's a terrible idea...

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RNG tanking? RNG DPS? What terrible ideas...

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

RNG tanking? RNG DPS? What terrible ideas...

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RNG tanking is not a thing anymore. It was a bad idea indeed and people complained about it. So they removed pretty much any RNG element from tanks toolkits, namely dark dance, the parry stat, reprisal proc. The only rng element in the tanks' toolkit right now is bulwark. That's it. You have parry/block rates, but these are usually ignored by any decent tank since you can't rely on them.
RNG dps doesn't exist. You have procs with a fixed probability and over the course of an encounter it doesn't really make a difference. Also, dps is not the same as damage mitigation and healing. You'll just do a little less dps when you're unlucky with procs (but this will be counterbalanced when you get lucky later during the fight). RNG healing may potentially cause a wipe. So please, don't compare apple and oranges.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

RNG dps doesn't exist. You have procs with a fixed probability and over the course of an encounter it doesn't really make a difference. Also, dps is not the same as damage mitigation and healing. You'll just do a little less dps when you're unlucky with procs (but this will be counterbalanced when you get lucky later during the fight). RNG healing may potentially cause a wipe. So please, don't compare apple and oranges.

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It's a shame they didn't get rid of the RNG with DPS along with DRK's RNG (it was a nuisance then).

BRD: 20% chance of Straighter Shot procs needed for Refulgent Arrow off of Heavy Shot (impossible to raise odds of, I've gone 3 minutes without a single proc of it before), DoT crit reliant for song procs (though Empyreal Arrow can give you a free one, but that's every 15 seconds).
MCH: 50% chance with Split Shot and Slug Shot to proc potency increases on Slug Shot and Clean Shot. This however can be mitigated with ammo, but if Reload and Quick Reload are down, you're praying to RNGesus for procs.
MNK: 50% chance on crit (which is already a low chance) for Chakra stacks. Can be increased by 30% for 15s on physical allies using weaponskills, but you're still praying to RNGesus so you can use Forbidden Chakra.
SMN: 15% chance to upgrade Ruin/Ruin III to Ruin IV when the pet does anything. Enhance Enkindle lowers the cooldown of Enkindle for each time this happens. You cannot raise the odds of this.

You can't say RNG DPS doesn't exist when it's very possible to go through half of an EX or Savage boss without getting a single proc. These moves can do a lot of damage, but their potential is locked behind random procs. You can have a fight where you gain them rapidly and often, and others where you never see them. That's RNG DPS, though you may not want to admit it.

Also, RNG healing in the line of cards being used for Aspected healing can't really cause a wipe when these fights are made around the assumption that any healer combination can work, not to mention it only effects Aspected casts, not regular Helios, not regular Benefic and Benefic II, not anything else. Just 2 skills you shouldn't be spamming to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

I have a problem with Deployment. It just doesn't do enough, and yes I know it's a strong ability as is, but there is something i don't like about it.

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Yeah I've definitely noticed myself using deployment tactics just way less than I use to. Was thinking why not make deployment tactics a galvanize shield upgrader instead. Similar to emergency tactics, use it before casting adlo or succor and it can add an additional 50% of the heal to the shield or something.
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Deployment+Adlo, 6k heal=6k+3k(50% of heal)=9,000 shield
Deployment+Crit Adlo, 9k heal=9k(2x)+4.5k(50% of heal)=22,500 shield
It would also work with succor making bit more worth while since it doesnt have the 2x crit bonus anyway, so yeah I would definitely enjoy using something like this instead, getting a lot more out of sch's shielding potential while helping with the rngness of adlo.

Deployment and the pet dissipation spell are just useless.
No way in hell I wanna kill my pet, it's the only thing that makes my class diferente, and the pros are way lower then the cons. 3 extra stacks won't do much for me because the most important spells, have CDs.
And deployment for Eye? Only the tank realy needs it, the boss isn't hitting other players for most part, and when it does, I should be focused on bringing ppl back up on HP.

IF Exo would work with deployment, then, suddenly, Sch would be great at recovering a group from massive AOEs.
Instead of kill our pet, the skill could swap the pet instantly, on the fly. That would be more interesting.

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Originally Posted by Dragonhand

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Deployment is not useless. Yeah it makes no sense that E4E is on the cross role system, however people make it out like deploying E4E was godlike. It never was, and it was extremely situational. Deployment has always been amazing to spread Adloquium, and that hasn't changed one bit. This sounds more like complaining about an ability just for the sake of it.

As a SCH, I do think it needs some help still. Mainly in the form of Dissipation and Selene. If you think being able to spread an 850 potence heal while having a 500 potency Indomitabilty is balanced, then I'm glad you're not part of the dev team. Make SCH great again at what it used to do, not these random overpowered suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Deployment is not useless. Yeah it makes no sense that E4E is on the cross role system, however people make it out like deploying E4E was godlike. It never was, and it was extremely situational. Deployment has always been amazing to spread Adloquium, and that hasn't changed one bit. This sounds more like complaining about an ability just for the sake of it.

As a SCH, I do think it needs some help still. Mainly in the form of Dissipation and Selene. If you think being able to spread an 850 potence heal while having a 500 potency Indomitabilty is balanced, then I'm glad you're not part of the dev team. Make SCH great again at what it used to do, not these random overpowered suggestions.

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Dissipation is easily the worst ability in the game. It removes the core aspect of the job. It doesn't synergize with anything and actually conflicts with the level 70 action.

Capstone actions are supposed to make you feel powerful. You feel less powerful when you use Dissipation.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Dissipation is easily the worst ability in the game. It removes the core aspect of the job. It doesn't synergize with anything and actually conflicts with the level 70 action.

Capstone actions are supposed to make you feel powerful. You feel less powerful when you use Dissipation.

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I said this earlier. Not only does dissipate not synergize with anything in our toolkit, it's contradicts with our level 70 ability, rouse, the fairy itself, our main playstyle (we are generally punished for using excessive use of our healing spells but this provides a buff to them), and even itself. Dissipate conflicts with itself. It's the worst ability in game.

scholarsv biggest issues right now is that most of our abilities have conflicts with other abilities. Our toolkit for a large part is fighting itself which is bad design.

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Originally Posted by Dragonhand

IF Exo would work with deployment, then, suddenly, Sch would be great at recovering a group from massive AOEs.
Instead of kill our pet, the skill could swap the pet instantly, on the fly. That would be more interesting.

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If Exo worked with Deployment, they'd have to nerf the everloving life out of Exo or SCH would be back to being mandatory in progression. "Here's a reactive 800 potency heal for the entire group for 0 MP" simply doesn't fly.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

"Here's a reactive 800 potency heal for the entire group

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Server side reactive at that. Never will it lag.

Anyways, we've had all healer comps for progression and AST+SCH is favored to speed kills/farms. I'm pretty OK with this level of balance, but the AST+SCH meta once again has me pretty wary of buffs to those two...

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Originally Posted by Tridus

If Exo worked with Deployment, they'd have to nerf the everloving life out of Exo or SCH would be back to being mandatory in progression. "Here's a reactive 800 potency heal for the entire group for 0 MP" simply doesn't fly.

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Look we get that but it comes down to flow of abilities and design. Abilities shouldn't be made with all these ifs, ands, and buts. Before SB deployment had great meshing, it spread our buffs, so only had two buffs to give (galvanize and E4E) but it was straight forward and made the ability smooth. Now we still give two buffs but deploy only works with half of them. It used to read like 'spread scholar buffs to near by party members' now it's 'spread scholar buffs to nearby party members, but not excog, and if using role skill E4E that too'

It's poor deign, if your going to give us an ability that is a player side buff they should make sure it is balanced to work with our existing abilities.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

Look we get that but it comes down to flow of abilities and design. Abilities shouldn't be made with all these ifs, ands, and buts. Before SB deployment had great meshing, it spread our buffs, so only had two buffs to give (galvanize and E4E) but it was straight forward and made the ability smooth. Now we still give two buffs but deploy only works with half of them. It used to read like 'spread scholar buffs to near by party members' now it's 'spread scholar buffs to nearby party members, but not excog, and if using role skill E4E that too'

It's poor deign, if your going to give us an ability that is a player side buff they should make sure it is balanced to work with our existing abilities.

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It literally does the same thing it did in HW. Like wut. Deployment is why Adlo is being punished with increased mp costs.

What I feel would help SCH flow better:
Decrease the mp cost of Miasma II. It should be 150 to 175% the cost of Broil. Blizzard II was 133%. Its currently 233%.

Make Miasma II based on target, like gravity.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

Look we get that but it comes down to flow of abilities and design. Abilities shouldn't be made with all these ifs, ands, and buts. Before SB deployment had great meshing, it spread our buffs, so only had two buffs to give (galvanize and E4E) but it was straight forward and made the ability smooth. Now we still give two buffs but deploy only works with half of them. It used to read like 'spread scholar buffs to near by party members' now it's 'spread scholar buffs to nearby party members, but not excog, and if using role skill E4E that too'

It's poor deign, if your going to give us an ability that is a player side buff they should make sure it is balanced to work with our existing abilities.

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I get that, and I find SCH's design clunky and counterintuitive. But it's a case of be careful what you ask for, because as it is right now making Excog deployable would simply not work. It'd be far too OP.

Maybe they could make it so that deploying it spreads it out amongst everyone or something like that.

Or maybe deployment itself is part of the problem. I mean, deployed crit Aldo is so strong they had to do something, and nobody likes what the response was.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

I get that, and I find SCH's design clunky and counterintuitive. But it's a case of be careful what you ask for, because as it is right now making Excog deployable would simply not work. It'd be far too OP.

Maybe they could make it so that deploying it spreads it out amongst everyone or something like that.

Or maybe deployment itself is part of the problem. I mean, deployed crit Aldo is so strong they had to do something, and nobody likes what the response was.

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While I agree it's really not that far off from being not bad. I mean earthly star in astrologian kit isn't far off from the power your talking about, except that a spread excog is more had a bit more potency and is more situational.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

While I agree it's really not that far off from being not bad. I mean earthly star in astrologian kit isn't far off from the power your talking about, except that a spread excog is more had a bit more potency and is more situational.

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You know what I take that back. I just looked more into earthy stars if the only change was that excog could be deployed, earthly stars would still be the more powerful of the 2.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

You know what I take that back. I just looked more into earthy stars if the only change was that excog could be deployed, earthly stars would still be the more powerful of the 2.

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Have you even read the tooltips? Excogitation is more powerful than Earthly Star if you could deploy it. Not to mention Earthly Star needs to be placed and charged as well. It would be braindead, and actually much better than any other heal as it would instantly proc at 50% health causing no overheal.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Have you even read the tooltips? Excogitation is more powerful than Earthly Star if you could deploy it. Not to mention Earthly Star needs to be placed and charged as well. It would be braindead, and actually much better than any other heal as it would instantly proc at 50% health causing no overheal.

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What? Scholars are no strangers to preplanning to properly heal. Saying earthly stars requires forethought is not a good argument. Deployed excog would need just as much forethought to get the most out of it. With 2x as long a CD, +80 potency per player, and the good chance that not all of the excog buffs would even be used. It is limited where this would be really powerful. Except earthly stars while causing some overheal can be used in a sub optimal position to top some players off when it's required, while a spread excog couldn't.

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Originally Posted by Miles_Maelstrom

What? Scholars are no strangers to preplanning to properly heal. Saying earthly stars requires forethought is not a good argument. Deployed excog would need just as much forethought to get the most out of it. With 2x as long a CD, +80 potency per player, and the good chance that not all of the excog buffs would even be used. It is limited where this would be really powerful. Except earthly stars while causing some overheal can be used in a sub optimal position to top some players off when it's required, while a spread excog couldn't.

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... no. Earth Star requires being timed correctly and having everyone go to the right place at the right time to get the most out of it. Deployed Excog would be "do this before the big damage happens and the server will handle the rest no matter what the other players do."

They're not even remotely comparable in terms of usage.

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Originally Posted by Tridus

... no. Earth Star requires being timed correctly and having everyone go to the right place at the right time to get the most out of it. Deployed Excog would be "do this before the big damage happens and the server will handle the rest no matter what the other players do."

They're not even remotely comparable in terms of usage.

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You act like when you need a big aoe heal like earthly star your group wouldn't have been grouped up already. Usually at a pre-designed location. Like right near the boss. Deploy has a range too people need to group p for it.

Honestly the fact that these threads about sch keep popping up really makes me feel like I'm playing a different job than everyone else. From my perspective sch can use some small changes... looking at you fairy spaghetti.... but overall it is very strong, has great emergency healing ability, and very good dps. I just dont get it?

I personally would prefer more skill pruning on sch. It's my only class that needs 4 action bars still. But that's probably just me since it seems the job pruning pissed a lot of people off.

Again, I'm going to say it... if you are struggling to heal 4 man dungeons on sch, I feel you are doing something wrong in your playstyle. This is not meant to be a hate callout. More of a, hey.... it may be you, not the job. Sorry. If you are struggling to heal 4 man dungeons, probably make a separate thread to get job help because that should not be happening and is not normal.

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Originally Posted by Tiva

Honestly the fact that these threads about sch keep popping up really makes me feel like I'm playing a different job than everyone else. From my perspective sch can use some small changes... looking at you fairy spaghetti.... but overall it is very strong, has great emergency healing ability, and very good dps. I just dont get it?

I personally would prefer more skill pruning on sch. It's my only class that needs 4 action bars still. But that's probably just me since it seems the job pruning pissed a lot of people off.

Again, I'm going to say it... if you are struggling to heal 4 man dungeons on sch, I feel you are doing something wrong in your playstyle. This is not meant to be a hate callout. More of a, hey.... it may be you, not the job. Sorry. If you are struggling to heal 4 man dungeons, probably make a separate thread to get job help because that should not be happening and is not normal.

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100% agree.

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Originally Posted by Tiva

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Honestly if I had to bet its because you\\'ve started to play this game like it\\'s a job more than a hobby. Yeah we can get things done and progress, and your desire for less buttons maximizng efficiency of your work vs output reflects that this is a job mentality.

A lot of the stuff I\\'ve been bringing up isn\\'t because I think scholars are weak, but encase they overall design is very strange right now. Most of our abilities aren\\'t working with a common goal inind of furthering our class, they kind of work for the most part in spite of eachother. Especially our cap stones. Hell even asking for excog to be able to be deployed isn\\'t because I think we need it I just don\\'t think it will hurt the game to have it, but having it would go a long way for our ability meshing. That idea that our abilities are designed to work in tandem instead of just being there.

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Like white mage had a bit of this pretty SB, but got a good boost to it this expansion. Things like heals porcine other stronger heals, casting abilities buds stacks for better abilities goes a long way for making classes feel like their abilities are working together. Astrologian is big on it too, the card system was already big on it, and the fact that SB kind of reinforced no card left unwasted is great, plus their buff extenders working with every BFF in their tool kit is great.

Then we have us, where a lot of out abilities don\\\\\\'t work with each other, sometimes even contradict eachother or themselves. It\\\\\\'s just odd and leaves the class being in a strange spot.