Don't get rid of Protect

I agree that it needs a rework, but never get rid of it.

I like the idea of making it a WHM only skill. It could be done if ad a def bonus for Light Party and Full Party formations along with some buffs to AST and SCH skills:

WHM could get Protect as an aoe 20% damage reduction buff with an animation similar to the ones used by Louisoix or Kan-E-Senna on the ARR openig movie.

SCH could get a 10% damage reduction on Adlo (This would justify increased mp cost when compared to Whm and Ast equivalent skills), 5% on Succor (both effective only while the shield part is up) and a buff to Sacred Soil effect.

AST would get duration increase on The Bole (maybe with a buff on its effect too as form to compensate its RNG nature) along with a buff to the damage reduction % of Collective Unconscious and a 5% damage debuff effect to Gravity.

I think this would give a more unique feel to the gameplay of these classes :)

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Originally Posted by Jybril

When do you use FA? Most of the times I use it, it's a miss hit...
Fluid Aura could be a mini heal that is dropped somewhere on the stage.
If anyones played Tera, think Mystic Orbs. Gives HP/MP orbs if you pick them up.
Or we can remove repose and add the Orb thing.

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Before SB? all the time, kept that ability on constant cooldown.
After SB? never

Since SE is in love removing rarely used abilities, they need to give the damage back to FA or just remove the ability. Why did they take out the damage anyway?

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Since SE is in love removing rarely used abilities, they need to give the damage back to FA or just remove the ability. Why did they take out the damage anyway?

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The stated that they removed it due to not wanting WHMs to have to rush into bosses to deal damage. Like always healers were getting flamed for "not using their whole kit" because some of us didn't want to run into such close range on bosses just for a bit of DPS.

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Since SE is in love removing rarely used abilities, they need to give the damage back to FA or just remove the ability. Why did they take out the damage anyway?

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They took damage out of every stun and knockback ability for every job. They don't want them used on CD for damage. They want them used for when they need to be used for the special effect and only the special effect.

Get rid of it. A spell you only cast once and then forget it for 30 mins is a waste of screen real-estate. Wow got rid of buffs because it made no sense there either. Gone are the days when buffs like these meant something
..which is quite unfortunate.

Its likely already someone said this but remove it from the role skills. Make it a White Mage skill that works the same as in PvP. Its amazing there but its near pointless in PVE when its a base line anyway.

Protect is iconic, come on guys. That being said, it shouldn't be a role class skill. Make it so that all healers have it naturally, or have their own. Protect, Shell ,etc.

A waste in its current form, but it should be fixed rather than just removed. Make it a bit stronger, but last something like 30 seconds rather than 30 minutes, and make it WHM exclusive. (Oh, and add Shell, too.)

I'd like it moved out of the Role and placed back into the Actions, having to use a macro to swap out to reapply after each raid wipe is workable but annoying. I'd like to reapply after a rez but I cant afford to keep it all the time. They need to add like 1 to 2 more slots to the Role box if they want us to keep it all the time and leave it in the Role.

I was a bit annoyed they made esona and Shroud/dreaming a class skill when every healer spec had a version of it. Rather than adjust what level you earn the skill you basically made mandatory skills occupy what is supposed to be bonus skills for different situations. If anything should be removed from the game from that set it may as well be Cleric Stance, it's just trash now.

Needs to be fixed not removed.

Remove it from Roles and add it back to the jobs/classes. Issue is there is not enough role abilities slots for healers to have it in there. Same goes for Esuna.

Get rid of our current version.

Give it to WHM and make it work like old Stoneskin did.

Don't get rid of protect. Put back the skills that were mandatory for all classes that were removed in the first place and don't just giggle and put it in role class skills as 'optional' things (Mana Shroud, Rampart, etc.)

Protect should be changed to something else, if the fire and forget is an annoyance. Have it like ff9 where it was a short duration buff that upped your defense a large amount. But getting rid of more staples for a role is a trend that should stop before it gets to the ludicrous amount that tanks/healers have already, or it gets even worse later on.

Protect AND Esuna should be available to all healer Jobs and not Role Actions. The end.

For me it needs to be removed because any damage mitigation seems to be a must have. Even if it's temporary, it's still going to be taken every time. The overall Role Abilities either suck, or are amazing. There's really no in between sadly.

Leave spells alone if don't like them then don't play a healer. Protects been in every final fantasy game ever played.

They should get rid of Protect the way is working now.

I think they should rework it and leave it to WHM only.

A Protect single target spell that have a duration of 10-20 secs and a recast of 60-90 secs (dev do your work) that mitigate physical damage for 10-20% while active.

This way they can give some shield to whm and plus, they can add Shell for magical damage and -ga versions of the spell for the AoE shields

The way is now is just tedious; put Protect in role skill, use it, delete it (if dungeon) or just keep 1 healer to have it in raid...

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Please don't get rid of Protect. Even it's effect is debatable, it's a staple Final Fantasy spell.

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Both Shell and Protect should be canon in Final Fantasy games!...

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Keep it. It's a Final Fantasy staple. You might as well get rid of chocobos as well if you get rid of protect.

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Protect is iconic, come on guys.

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I really don't understand what makes Protect a "Final Fantasy staple" or in any way iconic by any means of the imagination. You guys really think other RPGs don't use barrier/defensive spells?

That being said, yeah, the fact you can potentially use it and just swap to something else kinda speaks to it not really being balanced particularly well with the rest of the skills.

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The biggest problem with removing Protect is that the entire game has be retuned for the 15% damage it reduces.

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Protect doesn't cut nearly that much damage.

Get rid of it, they said Stoneskin 2 was set it and forget it, well this is exactly the same.
Free up my role skill slot...

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Originally Posted by Snow_Princess

Naming an ability called shake it off made me die inside and is cringe worthy, I do not care if it makes all my retainers have cap gil, give me all the mounts in the game, give me a house in every ward... etcetc It is still a cringe worthy name.

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http://heroesofthestorm.wikia.com/wiki/Shake_It_Off I think somewhere out there a young Pandaren girl is crying XD.

I don't think Protect is worth it anymore anyway. MMORPGs are moving away from buffs in general. It is not just WoW either, a lot of new MMOs don't have buffs. It's good the FFXIV devs are thinking of competing with other MMOs by not keeping their game completely in 2015.

FFXIV is very buff heavy, but Protect in it's current form fits the concept of ability bloat to an intense degree.

Another option to make it less "what is the point of this" would let it be more of the WHM mitigation skill. Right now, the deal is most healers don't even notice it missing as we have the power to heal instances just fine without it.

I think I just miss Stoneskin, which WAS horridly underutilized. :/

I'm all in favor for giving it a more interactive use, perhaps turning it into a kind of stoneskin'ish skill instead

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Protect doesn't cut nearly that much damage.

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Someone in my raid team died from a mechanic in O4S because I forgot to use Protect at the start of the fight. If she had Protect, she would have survived the mechanic. Protect does matter. 15 percent mitigation can be the difference between surviving or dying in raids.

From my past exp in much other mmos, spells as Protect have sense when can be dispelled in pvp or by mobs.

Without reworking XIV mob mechanics, one suggestion to give Protect some sense, is maybe make it single target on combat and party wide out of combat. The cast time makes the healer decide who need it or not, in battle.

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Someone in my raid team died from a mechanic in O4S because I forgot to use Protect at the start of the fight. If she had Protect, she would have survived the mechanic. Protect does matter. 15 percent mitigation can be the difference between surviving or dying in raids.

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Where did I say it doesn't matter? I swear, this forum has real issues with putting words in others' mouths.

All I said was it definitely isn't 15% mitigation.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

All I said was it definitely isn't 15% mitigation.

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After re-reading Protect citation. It raises DEF by 15% which will translate to an increases to mitigation but due to diminishing returns formula being applied, the effect is reduced. Thus, you are correct, it is not 15% mitigation.

After reviewing this research, it would actually be pretty easy to remove protect. SE would just need to buff all gear stats by 15% when in a party. They already buff other things when in a party so an additional 15% DEF would not be a significant change.

FYI damage mitigation stuff:
2.0 Testing Results
Damage Taken Calculation

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Originally Posted by MythToken

Percent Physical Damage Taken = 1 – (0.044 x PDEF)
Percent Magical Damage Taken = 1 – (0.044 x MDEF)
probably easier to just say its .05% for every point of defense. then take into account protect ect.

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3.0 Testing Results
Damage Take Testing Reddit
Damage Taken Testing Raw Data

I cannot find 4.0 Testing Results at this time.

Just need a shorter time like 5-10 mins and combine it with the other role skills so you can still use 5 skills without macro.

I'd be in favour of turning it into a cooldown with a more interesting effect. A 30min buff that just has to be up involves no interesting gameplay choices whatsoever. It's effectively a passive ability that takes up a role slot - not the best design, is it?

Make it a passive aura for every healer or just toss it out altogether and raise everyone's defenses marginally, all it does is take up a slot and removes an option for us.

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Originally Posted by uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu

Just need a shorter time like 5-10 mins and combine it with the other role skills so you can still use 5 skills without macro.

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That makes no sense at all. The issue is we have an ability/spell that takes up a role slot that is pretty pointless as is and can get the effect by deleting it and increasing gear defense or some passive for healers that increases it. It takes up a role class slot/a button that does not need to as is,.

Get rid of protect because we want another role skill than to hold onto it in case people die. We don't need set-and-forget (despite egis, faeries, turrets being fairly set and forget for years). We're also very lazy about switching it out.

Okay, taunting people aside, the only reason protect's use and effect is being called into question is simply because it's tied to a role action slot now and people don't like hitting extra buttons. Even if the extra button(s) will use the skill, remove the skill and replace the skill with another.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

The biggest problem with removing Protect is that the entire game has be retuned for the 15% damage it reduces. Outside of a fledgling SCH or AST that never did CNJ, every healer, always had protect. I would think the raid damage calculations always assumed it was present. Otherwise unavoidable AoE and Tank busters would wipe/kill far more often than they do.

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Also this is probably fairly true. I don't know if people seriously understand half the things they suggest, only the small inconvenience they currently have to suffer. With 4.0 battle changes, I often wonder if it's even possible to do some of the old fights at minimum ilevel/level ('cause for farmers, there was always the guaranteed multiple scrolls)? Technically speaking, even V1S-4S would probably need to be adjusted for the loss of 15% mitigation throughout an entire 9 to 13 minute encounter. This would 100% hurt whether or not some compositions would even be viable and hurt the ability to DF it (something not so much on EU or NA servers, but used commonly on JP servers).

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Get rid of protect because we want another role skill than to hold onto it in case people die. We don't need set-and-forget (despite egis, faeries, turrets being fairly set and forget for years). We're also very lazy about switching it out.

Okay, taunting people aside, the only reason protect's use and effect is being called into question is simply because it's tied to a role action slot now and people don't like hitting extra buttons. Even if the extra button(s) will use the skill, remove the skill and replace the skill with another.



Also this is probably fairly true. I don't know if people seriously understand half the things they suggest, only the small inconvenience they currently have to suffer. With 4.0 battle changes, I often wonder if it's even possible to do some of the old fights at minimum ilevel/level ('cause for farmers, there was always the guaranteed multiple scrolls)? Technically speaking, even V1S-4S would probably need to be adjusted for the loss of 15% mitigation throughout an entire 9 to 13 minute encounter. This would 100% hurt whether or not some compositions would even be viable and hurt the ability to DF it (something not so much on EU or NA servers, but used commonly on JP servers).

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Protect was not used before 30 to anyone that knew what they where doing as SCH or AST, for high end stuff, they can just have it as a passive, as people suggested in this thread earlier. There is a few ways to do this, either everyone gets a trait to offset the protect loss, a healer has an enhancing aura, or increasing gear's stats.

It is SE's fault for putting a baseline spell/ability in roles, to provoke people to question "is this necessary" + their sudden want to give less buttons for people to push.

What would be ideal for me would be giving PLD/WHM a limited protect, like what WHM get in PvP, that is the only way to keep the iconic spell to the appropriate jobs and have it do something. Basically it be nice as some bridge to replace the lost stoneskin. (another iconic spell they got rid of, with shell)