As a minority, is it out of the question to hope for representation?

A few of those images do have sexy ladycats in them though ^^;

Also, there still isn't a single male miqo'te in there, nor a femroe, and very very few au ra.

I actually remember really liking that rising poster at the time because there wasn't a skimpy miqo in it >> although in fairness that wouldn't suit the event at all. I'm not really complaining about sexy outfits for moonfire - it makes sense given it's the summer swimsuit event. But you can't argue that there isn't an overabundance of ladycats in official posters, even if I like ladycats.

Amen.

I don't hate Miqo'te or Au Ra. I don't suddenly want roes to take over. My problem is the lack of balance. Everything about this game from the promotional material to the in-game characters slant so incredibly heavily in favor a specific type of character.

For instance, just think about how many times a female miqo'te or au ra have graced the promotional material/event art for this game in comparison to just about any other race. It's a landslide of epic proportions. This year's Moonfire Faire art is the most phoned in thing they could have done. They could have had any other combination of race and genders, but they went for the same two races who are almost always depicted in the art for almost every other event. And if all that wasn't enough, SE essentially gave them their very own specal holiday with Little Ladies Day.

And then there's the NPCs. Moenbryda's death in and of itself didn't bother me. Ysayle's death in and of itself didn't bother me. However, when Y'shtola is, for intents and purposes, brought back to life in one expansion then almost cut in half the next, yet she's still around, it really feels like they're playing favorites. Moenbryda lasted two patches. Ysayle, who had an excellent arc btw, didn't even make it to 3.1. Meanwhile, Yotsuyu, this incredibly boring one-note villain, gets a building dropped on her face, but don't worry guys, she's totally okay. There are no notable Elezen women anywhere MSQ (to be fair, there are a few in job quests and the Scholasticate) , but everyone sure does remember their precious short, petite waifu Hilda. There are plenty of lowborn elezen women in Ishgard, but I guess none are quite cute enough, eh? Just had to make her half hyur for that, right? The men don't fare much better. Miqo'te, Roegadyn, and, until recently, Au Ra men were pretty much relegated to job quests. Hell, now that I think about it, catboys probably have it just as hard as the elezen women and Roegadames in that SE tries to pretend you don't exist in most cases.

To top it all off, the amount of people playing Miqo'te and Au Ra is staggering. Again, I don't hate any of the people playing them just because they're playing them. There's nothing inherently wrong with either of those races and chances are the vast majority of people playing them, like any other race, are most likely really cool people IRL. My problem again is this: I like variety. My favorite color is purple. My favorite food is rice. My favorite in-game race are Roes. But do I want to paint everything I own purple? Do I want rice everyday? Do I want Roes plastered every where and every other race ignored? No, because that's boring.

There are a handful of race/gender combos and specific "types" of characters that dominate every aspect of this game and I'm just starting to get tired of it. I'm not suggesting they aim for some magical quota either where every race has to be equally represented at all times. For the billionth time, all I'm saying is: spread the love, SE.

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A few of those images do have sexy ladycats in them though ^^;

Also, there still isn't a single male miqo'te in there, nor a femroe, and very very few au ra.

I actually remember really liking that rising poster at the time because there wasn't a skimpy miqo in it >> although in fairness that wouldn't suit the event at all. I'm not really complaining about sexy outfits for moonfire - it makes sense given it's the summer swimsuit event. But you can't argue that there isn't an overabundance of ladycats in official posters, even if I like ladycats.

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Yes, some of them do include miqo - but they also display other races without overshadowing them which is why I included them. Female miqo are the most popular, so it makes sense that they will be used in their advertising, but it's not quite as overrun as you made it sound. :3

They don't get much exposure because they aren't popular. It's as simple as that.

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I get femRoe aren't popular especially in EU/JP. But there was an effort to create them, so why are they shafted into the shed of no return?

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There are a lot of femRoes on JP servers, on Tiamat I have seen a lot of them. They aren't popular in NA in comparison XD.

Au Ra and Miqo'te are like the fanservice races for advertisement. At least they put a male in there, and it wasn't just females. Still it would've been nice if the main drawing was something other than a white skinned female Miqo'te. It is always Seeker of the Sun too, they never have a black skin Keeper of the Moon.

A little variety wouldn't hurt, can always use more Femroe and Elezen ladies. At the same time however, I'm satisfied with my choice of race, and don't really need artwork of it to fulfill some requirement for representation in my head

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Still it would've been nice if the main drawing was something other than a white skinned female Miqo'te. It is always Seeker of the Sun too, they never have a black skin Keeper of the Moon.

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I could also agree with this, as on a similar train of thought I actually can't think of a dark-skinned Duskwight lady of any importance in the game off the top of my head. If someone can think of one, lemme know.

Most people in this fantasy game are playing certain race/gender combinations. Marketing is smart and will put these in the promotional materials because those same people who made their characters a certain race/gender will look at the pictures and go "hey! there's me doing that thing!" or "Hey, I like the character on that poster!". Pleasing the majority of your playerbase is a good idea. It's not anymore complicated than that.

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It's Gutsman!

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I still haven't decided if I should be proud or slightly ashamed that the instant I saw Clethoria's signature a few days ago that I knew immediately what it was and where it came from.

I think pride. I'm going to go with pride.

There really isn't much Au Ra promo art work. Its mostly miqote or hume.

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Most people in this fantasy game are playing certain race/gender combinations. Marketing is smart and will put these in the promotional materials because those same people who made their characters a certain race/gender will look at the pictures and go "hey! there's me doing that thing!" or "Hey, I like the character on that poster!". Pleasing the majority of your playerbase is a good idea. It's not anymore complicated than that.

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So everyone and not just (mostly) Miqo'te females?

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Games like this have a certain player base that they want to appeal to. Catgirls and adorable lalas are more appealing to this demographic than Roes, so they are on more stuff.

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Maybe they are more appealing as SE shows them in a fun light with advertisements, trailers etc.

If you want roes in swimsuit, just check the ffxiv calendar for august.
https://i.imgur.com/lhxlwkG.jpg

I don't understand why some people are so against this... Femroe getting more representation wouldn't hurt anyone and it'd make a lot of people very happy, Femroe already have a lot of problems going on for them the very least they could do is have more art of them right? I'd love to see more femroe related stuff they are my favorite race in the game afterall. :o

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I didnt see a single person in this thread who was against it.

Just merely some individuals like me who think its a bit silly to whine about it. (aka, you wouldnt hear me cry about it if they focused on femroe artwork now either...cos...its just some event artwork, just that.)

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I didnt see a single person in this thread who was against it.

Just merely some individuals like me who think its a bit silly to whine about it.

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I've noticed a few people that are clearly against it and uhh... Asking for something isn't whining...

I am not seeing any whining in this thread. I enjoy my lalafell. Other people enjoy other races. It would be great to see more variety in the artwork.

I absolutely agree and just like last time, I'll fight with the Roegadyn players because its clearly not right.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/77e43ef1d...maho1_1280.png
http://68.media.tumblr.com/8803f7133...aho10_1280.png
http://68.media.tumblr.com/96b9fb002...maho2_1280.png
http://68.media.tumblr.com/e66552cdb...maho5_1280.png
http://68.media.tumblr.com/e270dbfc3...o2_r1_1280.png
http://68.media.tumblr.com/f8a3fec83...amaho1_500.png
http://68.media.tumblr.com/2e7d62680...amaho1_500.png
http://68.media.tumblr.com/4acab8be1...amaho1_500.png
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p...n/main_art.png
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p...png?1467272216
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p...png?1467272216
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...56bce703ee.jpg

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/d97...709e901ad5.png

http://i.imgur.com/LzF1Hin.jpg
http://home.eyesonff.com/attachment....&thumb=1&stc=1
http://massivelyop.com/wp-content/up...25-860x280.jpg
http://www.ffxivtortuga.com/wp-conte...03/Capture.png
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...576ac3220e.jpg
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/106...eeb5d714_1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wkH95h1.png


If they arent the main character in the drawing they are the secondary character. Point is, its like they have to be there.

More by Vejjiegirl!

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http://68.media.tumblr.com/01396b241...maho1_1280.png


http://68.media.tumblr.com/a0d1d02d9...amaho1_540.png

Finally they draw Roegadyn, and they look awsome too!

wait...
wait no better crop them out

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/p...png?1467272215
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...de/goldsaucer/

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Lightining returns X FFXIV, Miqo'te Race Outfit to represent FFXIV
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...7a3221ddd3.jpg
PSO2 X FFXIV, Miqo'te Race Outfit to represent FFXIV (even though FFXIV's exclusive Race Au Ra was already released)
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...IV62_thumb.jpg
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...IV71_thumb.jpg
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...IV70_thumb.jpg

http://www.siliconera.com/2016/07/06...r-event-begun/

Y'shotla (A Miqo'te) in Dissidia to represent FFXIV
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TIHmIwWUgYE/maxresdefault.jpg
Y'shtola (A Miqo'te) in Theatrhythm Final Fantasy Curtain Call to represent FFXIV

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I think the reason Miqo'tes are in so much artwork and such is because they're very easily recognizable even to people outside of the game.
Most of the other races are fairly generic all things considered, and while the concept of humans with cat ears isn't exactly original either the execution is a pretty unique take on it which makes them stand out as something different about the game, plus you have to admit that they simply appeal to a wider audience.

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I think the reason Miqo'tes are in so much artwork and such is because they're very easily recognizable even to people outside of the game.
Most of the other races are fairly generic all things considered.

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I dunno about that... I feel like Roes are much more recognizable considering just how rare a race like that is in well... everything, their also way less generic then cat girls which are EVERYWHERE now.

Miqote Fantasy XIV

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I dunno about that... I feel like Roes are much more recognizable considering just how rare a race like that is in well... everything, their also way less generic then cat girls which are EVERYWHERE now.

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Roes are just bulky, there isn't anything about them that stands out aside from that and it's a trait shared by many races in a lot of MMOs.
Yes cat girls are everywhere, but what makes Miqo'te unique is that they're neither antropomorphic animals nor cutesy anime people with animal ears, they're kind of a mix of both blending the concept of the latter with the realism of the former and I think it makes Miqo'te stand out when compared to the same type of race in other MMOs.

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Roes are just bulky, there isn't anything about them that stands out aside from that and it's a trait shared by many races in a lot of MMOs.

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I sometimes can't tell the difference between Roe and Highlander women if the Roe isn't using max height + I can't see their face, to be perfectly honest.

Also wow, I never realized the immense bias towards Miqo'te in the event/official art. I mean I knew it was there in terms of crossovers and story presence, but wow. Not to mention the incredible lack of Roe art in general.

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Also wow, I never realized the immense bias towards Miqo'te in the event/official art. I mean I knew it was there in terms of crossovers and story presence, but wow. Not to mention the incredible lack of Roe art in general.

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Such is our dilemma.

Miqo'te is the poster child of this game. Also, your average gamer favored cute and feminine characters.

One of the promotional images for Heavensward featured a beautiful roegadyn woman in the bard artifact armor.

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/feb...d8809a50_1.jpg

Catgirls are great and all (I actually really like the one in the latest moonfire faire promo art), but it would be nice to see more roegadyn and elezen characters in artwork.

If it wasn't for roegadyn I wouldn't even be in ffxiv.
Yoshida and his team need to think about things like this. We might not be the most famous but we're a big part of the environment.


The few have as much presence and character as the many.

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You know something i find semi-ironic that i just realized. The OP was basically indicating a lack of race depictions in event posters, specifically the faire, and specifically pointing out Ries and Elezens. But this is last years poster...
http://www.siliconera.com/wordpress/...3136_thumb.png

Now my eyes might be playing tricks on me, but isnt that a Roe and an Elezen? And i think a highlander woman, but dont quote me.

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Shhhhhh.... That was all argued last year.

Truth is that FemRoes are very under represented in the artwork, but then again they are also vastly under represented among the players. Broadly speaking the rate of appearance of the various races in promotional art for seasonal events matches the actual player population. But, Fem Roe and highlanders are particularly unlikely to appear in such artwork. Personally I think that comes more down to the artistic choice of the artists and what they want to use, than it does a choice by SE.

However, I do think it wold be interesting if after demanding equal representation, that representation was proportionate to actual player population, and changed next to nothing. After all proportional representation is the most equal and fair form of representation. Funnily enough, as I said before, representation is already largely in line with population, with Highlanders and Fem Roe doing last well, and especially with Fem Roe being the lowest population of player chraracters by race and gender. How frequently should the least populous race and gender be in such art? If we are truly being fair about it, they with be comparatively rare.

P.S. I spent several hours during the last argument about this digging up images and counting appearances. I'm not arguing that the OP has no point, they do. But the problem is that everyone wants equal and fair representation, when a certain combination of race and gender equates to less than 3% of the total player base, you have to understand that their occurrence in event art will feel rare. However, rare does NOT mean absent.

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So everyone and not just (mostly) Miqo'te females?

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... I'm not sure what you're implying there?

as has been stated in this thread, again and again, a LOT of people play certain race/gender combos. Miqo'te/au'ra female. Marketing would be foolish to NOT have them prominently in promo material.
I have nothing against representing the other races and genders. Seriously. it would be great! But you aren't going to get it as long as the majority of the playerbase rolls certain characters.


I suppose I'll answer the op's question directly. NO its not out of the question, but you're unlikely to see it for reasons of pandering to the majority of the games subscribers.

I want to point out this artwork that SE did to promote swimming,
Female lalafell
Female Au ra
Female Miqo'te
Female Hyur
Female Elezen

No FemRoe

http://press.na.square-enix.com/fn/F...718%5F03%2Epng

Based on his hair color and skin tone the FemRoe is the one mounted on Syldra, but, that poster is bait for players to play with their joystick and they did not care about a fair representation.

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I want to point out this artwork that SE did to promote swimming,
Female lalafell
Female Au ra
Female Miqo'te
Female Hyur
Female Elezen

No FemRoe

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I stared at that picture for a sec, then started chuckling because I internally went, "damn, there's a clan of Roegadyn literally named Sea Wolves and they still couldn't get any love in a picture about swimming."

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I stared at that picture for a sec, then started chuckling because I internally went, "damn, there's a clan of Roegadyn literally named Sea Wolves and they still couldn't get any love in a picture about swimming."

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That's because they don't swim, they ply the seas in galleons looking for something to pirate... :p

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They don't get much exposure because they aren't popular. It's as simple as that.

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An unpopular truth.

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That's because they don't swim, they ply the seas in galleons looking for something to pirate... :p

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Roegadyn women = not being eyecandy and flouncing about in tiny clothes... They are getting stuff DONE.

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"Pleasing the majority of your playerbase is a good idea." You never specified race, which left it open to imply that 'majority of playerbase = everyone' and therefore, every race.

FFXIV seasonal event posters should try to include every race (like FFXI did, if not, just a nice picture of things for the season), since this is an online game and not everyone plays Miqo'te and Au Ra females.

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Roegadyn women = not being eyecandy and flouncing about in tiny clothes... They are getting stuff DONE.

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Which is why one leads a nation, and the other spends their time modeling for fluff posters...

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Roes are just bulky, there isn't anything about them that stands out aside from that and it's a trait shared by many races in a lot of MMOs.
Yes cat girls are everywhere, but what makes Miqo'te unique is that they're neither antropomorphic animals nor cutesy anime people with animal ears, they're kind of a mix of both blending the concept of the latter with the realism of the former and I think it makes Miqo'te stand out when compared to the same type of race in other MMOs.

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That's a great, fair point. In the grand scheme of things, it's kinda hard to argue against that fact (though I do still think they were largely designed to be rather cutesy anime people with animal ears lol). That said, I would still put forth the idea there's nothing really holding SE back from depicting a Highlander or Roe alongside another race, or even each other, if only to highlight their albeit subtle, but still unique qualities.

For the Moonfire Faire art, they could've easily done something like a Miqo'te taking a walk on the beach alongside a Roe. They could have had a Lala riding on the shoulders of a Highlander while they're playing in the water with an Elezen while a Midlander is off to the side floating, relaxing in the ocean. Could have had every race together just sitting around the bar at Costa de Sol. All men. All women. Mix it up. Go nuts. The possibilities are endless. And, again, that's just for the Moonfire Faire. Think about all the other possibilities for all the other events.

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"Pleasing the majority of your playerbase is a good idea." You never specified race, which left it open to imply that 'majority of playerbase = everyone' and therefore, every race.

FFXIV seasonal event posters should try to include every race (like FFXI did, if not, just a nice picture of things for the season), since this is an online game and not everyone plays Miqo'te and Au Ra females.

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I apologize I assumed. That is what I meant. the majority of the playerbase play those two race/gender combos. I don't know why I'd bother to mention majority if I was implying everyone. But that is why they get put in a lot of materials.. once again.. yes.. it'd be nice if everyone got equal media time, but it's very unlikely since pandering gets more views and interest.

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Forgive me but it doesn't seem entirely fair or honest to include 1.0 promotional work on your list. I'm not arguing the point, personally I'd rather we have more dedication to race lore than to promo art (something roes lack both of it seems), but you undermine yourself including art from a time before femroes even existed.