Who else is bored? Same Content and Formula...Was SB a waste of money?

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Originally Posted by Aldora

The main question is, what would you like to see? Do you expect a completely new “experience” with each expansion? And what is it that you would like to see?

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I would like to see only new stuff for a while, make things from scratch, recycle nothing.

I'm waiting for these things for a while, maybe when FFXIV goes F2P we get them, maybe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj5jzGQKL2M#t=4m43s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrt8zmBwPRg#t=23m45s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egruYC09zl0

And I would like to become a Hero in Eorzea

Honestly I completely agree, but it's a waste of time to express disappointment in it.
FFXIV is designed so that you can do everything in as little time as possible (which seems antithetical to what an MMO should be, but that's personal opinion). Because of this, they know and don't care one bit if players unsub once they complete endgame content; the game is designed a that you basically have to stop playing after a certain amount of time.
Because they chose this design, it seems to me that their entire subscription model is based upon having more new players coming in than old players going out. Since they know old players will be unsubbing once they hit caps / beat Savage / can't gear up anymore, most stuff is aimed towards newer / less geared players.
Unless more people start unsubbing than those starting to sub (which doesn't seem likely to happen anytime soon) the recycled weekly lockouts system will continue for the rest of the game's lifespan.

Tl;dr: the reason so much content is recycled is because players aren't expected to be exposed to content enough to feel the 'recycled' nature of the content

Its really sad that this is not even two months after launch and I dont even log in daily..I know that there will be a point where content becomes boring but I am a bit shocked that it became that way shortly after finishing the main story. (For me) Till now I dont even have one new gear piece from the new tomestones, because why should I even get them, if everything other than savage can be done without it?

I am also not really sure why we did not at least get one completely new piece of content with 4.0. I did the MSQ at a relative slow pace and yet I was finished quite fast. So its not like you have so much new stuff to do till the new 4.1 patch comes out. They are teasing us with stuff like Eureka for a long time, so why was this not ready for launch?

In a way this is like HW in just a different color with nothing completely new at the same time..if I didnt have a house ingame that I want to keep I would probably even make my first bigger break of this game..but sadly thanks to that I cant unsub for now. I really hope that this new content that is coming is worth it.

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Originally Posted by Odeon

People will always be bored.
I know there's "the housing issue" but seriously, if they are bored, people should just cancel their subs, and go somewhere else, it's what every normal person does: you're not going to pay to force yourself to play a game you feel you've completed. What's the big deal ?

This is what happens all the time: people come back after months to try out the new expansion, complete it in one or two months, and then they leave. That's not so weird. Just put the game in hiatus, and come back when you feel like it.

And the housing market be damned.

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You actually mention the exact issue why I keep my sub running. My OH and me have waited a long time to get a house in the spot where we wanted it and it drained our funds quite a bit. While we are bored, we both still love FFXIV and the idea that the house will be gone and we can't have a new one because of the market is quite a turn off.

FFXIV is designed for you to take breaks but when they introduced housing decay because of their sub optimal housing setting, they knew what they were doing. It's not just because of the system but they know that people get attached to their houses and keep paying despite not playing.

Final fantasy is a game that bores me to tears. The only reason I subscribe to it is to roleplay with my fc. I just can't get interested in a system where I do one expert roulette a day and then cap out after 5 days of a 20-30 minute dungeon leaving nothing else worth doing. It's so incredibly frustrating. WoW lets you keep working on progression endlessly every week. You put into it however much time and effort you want.

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

So after literally weeks since the launch of SB, I have been keeping track on the amount of average viewers that have been tuning in to watch players on Twitch. When SB first launched, there was a average of over 7-8k viewers at any given time throughout the first 4 weeks. Now if you go to twitch during peak hours....less that 2k are there. That is literally a decrease of 75% Twitch viewers of FF14 in less than 5 weeks! Do you want to know why?

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It's nice that you bring up D3, because after the release of the last ladder season on 07/20 with a peak of 20k+ viewers, they're already down to 25% of that, too, about 2 weeks later.

The average viewers on D3 are higher on Ff14, yes, but the graphs don't look thaaaat different in regards of peaks and such.

I have zero issue with Stormblood. I like the system personally as a working adult it makes me feel like i can still get somewhere in end game content with how they roll everything out. Sure relic grinds might be slightly out of my reach, but I still do them, just at a much slower pace.

Using twitch is a poor way of seeing popularity of a game. Not every game is interesting to watch on Twitch, this is one of them.


All of this being said I don't play for just the game. I play for my awesome FC which goes and does events at least once a week. Maybe you just need a new way to enjoy the game that way! The true end game is spending time with friends, and of course, that GLAMOUR :D

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Originally Posted by Zeonsilt

They promised to introduce "something new" to the formula in "Eureka" update. (4.1 patch, i think)

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Has anyone ever heard of this obscure thing called "The Diadem"?

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Originally Posted by TheRealMadruck

So after literally weeks since the launch of SB, I have been keeping track on the amount of average viewers that have been tuning in to watch players on Twitch. When SB first launched, there was a average of over 7-8k viewers at any given time throughout the first 4 weeks. Now if you go to twitch during peak hours....less that 2k are there. That is literally a decrease of 75% Twitch viewers of FF14 in less than 5 weeks! Do you want to know why?
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Forgive my stupidity in my old age but couldn't that suggest that more people were actually playing the game then watching others do it?
Outside of the occasional boss kill on YouTube, I cannot see how anyone would want to sit and watch someone play an MMO – watching someone else sinking their time into it...madness. But, eh , each to their own I guess.

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

Final fantasy is a game that bores me to tears. The only reason I subscribe to it is to roleplay with my fc. I just can't get interested in a system where I do one expert roulette a day and then cap out after 5 days of a 20-30 minute dungeon leaving nothing else worth doing. It's so incredibly frustrating. WoW lets you keep working on progression endlessly every week. You put into it however much time and effort you want.

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See, that type of system doesn't appeal to me. While I like the idea of Mythic+, I dislike RNG based progression where I'm just grinding endlessly. It's why I could never get invest with Black Desert. Likewise, I get bored with gear that takes several years to actually obtain. I know why others like that; the idea it'll last for ages holds value. I simply can't get into a system like that because I don't place much significance on gear. "Is it better than what I have? Yes. Cool." Half the reason I bother with relics is because they're pretty and I've been on something of an achievement hunt lately. That's why I wouldn't want XIV pulling every idea it can from WoW. Sure, take inspiration or borrow ideas but if I wanted WoW, I'd be playing that instead.

The devs actually advocate unsubbing when you get bored or run out of things to do, so I doubt they'll be changing the formula any time soon. I keep busy by playing both XIV and Wow.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...otivation_and/

Yeah, this topic speaks volumes about how misleading SB turned out to be. None of that 3x budget thing was true because Stormblood is literally Heavensward with a new coat of paint. It's got nothing new in the endgame department at all and they still gate tomes after all these years. It's disappointing and SE have not learned a single thing from tome feedback or anything else. It's the same tired and boring formula.... i'm only on because I'm trying to finish savage but after that there's nothing left until next patch for me.

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Originally Posted by Ralf2

I would like to see only new stuff for a while, make things from scratch, recycle nothing.

I'm waiting for these things for a while, maybe when FFXIV goes F2P we get them, maybe.

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Lol ffxiv won't be going F2P. don't kid yourslf

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Originally Posted by Fonkyama

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In WoW Legion if you do not grind to keep up on AP you will be ejected from your raid group. If you do not run the world quests (which are litterally FATES) then you deny yourself chances at legendaries. If you do not grind then you do not get your chance at random loot, with random stats, that has a chance to roll a random +55 ilvl boost to let you skip the current raid tier. World Quests do not revive any old content, it only exists in the new content. You do not "see new areas" its the same areas you already ran through every time. Besides the new zone, the rest of the world is pretty damn empty. So you can argue that they only succeeded in making the most recent tiny section of the world actually have a population in it. Which granted that is an improvement over Borelords of Draenor.

Simply put, Legion is the polar opposite of Draenor and people still hate it. Instead of being stuck in 1 garrison all the time you got a garrison and you have to go run around in the most anti-flying expansion to date, through the most anti-ground mount maze terrain to date, to play through "content" that is in essence smash your head against a wall for an unknown amount of hours hoping something falls out. Especially that Best in Slot legendary your raid team wants you to have or they will replace you with someone who already has their best in slot legendary.

WoW Legion right now is basically a diabloified version of WoW. People only keep coming back because they are required in order to compete, not because they actually like the content. In fact, going by their forums, they largely vehemently hate it. Especially once they found out that everything they do is going to be worthless as its only for this expansion. An expansion where the only thing consistent is how much you grind for inconsistent reward.

There are plenty of good reasons why my WoW friends abandoned the game.

I'm not bored... have way to much to do. I suppose the obligatory I'm Bored threads had to appear at some point.

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Originally Posted by Odeon

People will always be bored.

There are too many players who rush through things.

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Please for the love of the Moogles, PLEASE STOP saying people rushed. It's been almost 2 months.
SB is the easiest expansion for us to level in. You cannot ask us to go at a Snails Pace just for the sake of it.

The thing is with SE, when they try to introduce new and fun things, it's a bust...almost every single time.
Diadem could of been a real big hit, but alas...
Potd, is the most boringest content known to man for me...You go in there, have xx level skills/spells and things die in 2 hits.
Vermillion/Golden Saucer are eh at most. I pray to Jebus that if they implement Blitzball, it will involve the community way more.
(Such as having people make like teams ((think of static)) and we can cheer for our teams and fave players and such like in Moba!)

During the time of SB launch, nothing excited me for this expansion.
There was nothing new or interesting but 2 jobs that I didn't care for.
The story, places and all are GREAT! but everything else is just plain.
It's sad, you'd think they move away from their comfort zone. They really need to
change up the core game in 5.0...I feel bad for Newbies jumping with potion.
They wanna get to end-game with us just to chill out at Reach and Kugane.
Least they can do it now, we've been doing the same crap for years.

I think the problem is how people view old content in this game, I honestly dont think people have as big a problem with older content than in this game. But I will admit that if I for instance played one job only then this game would be pretty boring, I think the best way is to level and try every job and then see what achievements you can get. Im just now unlocking the moogle trials , I still havent even done hilibrand or the other beast tribes, didnt do any of the crafting job quest when I speed leveled them. So I feel I have plenty of stuff to do, but I also feel like most games dont have never ending content like people image either. People just have to look beyond the top half of the game and view the whole game as an entire game instead of just an expansion

Far from bored.

If you feel this way; there are other games that you can tend to until you feel the need to come back to XIV.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I'm not bored... have way to much to do. I suppose the obligatory I'm Bored threads had to appear at some point.

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Makes me wonder what all they've done...I mean, I have almost all my crafters to get to 60(only CUL is 60), then push to 70. I still need to finish getting the last 3 levels for my FSH, and 15 levels on my BTN. Then there are all the other that I need to get to 70(only MIN, RDM, WHM, DRG, and PLD are 70 right now).

Do people who are seriously bored with this already have EVERYTHING done? All minions/mounts/quests(side, job, and main)/PVP completed/collected? Surely there is something that they haven't done, or even tried that they might like.

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Originally Posted by Khel

I like stretches of the game when an hour a day will do, gives me time to play other stuff.

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This. I have a lot of games that I still need to finish that I would otherwise not find the time(I do all my daily roulettes every day).

I like stretches of the game when an hour a day will do, gives me time to play other stuff.

I'm not in any mood to do savage anymore. and The tomestone race just makes the relic chores that much more agonizing.

I regret the house in moments like these.

Yes, extremely dissapointed in SB continuing the formula of logon after reset and run the hamster wheel of roulettes while sitting around in the current endgame social area. I could live with it, if there were more variety (i.e. the ability to play another job as you would an alt in another game and continue running the content). I get that some like the side non character progression content (mounts, minions, glamours, beast quests, etc...), but personally I hate fluff activities. They could have done much better to satisfy more types of players.

Yes I'm bored. Paid the 180 day option since 2.0 release and I don't think I'll pay it again. Probably going to go month by month after each release and probably only pay for one month. Content dries up too damn quick for my liking and farming currencies to do that same thing again just for a different textured polygon doesn't warrant the cost. I have the Squall set and I'm not too interested in mounts since they offer literally nothing new to the game play.

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Originally Posted by Rasylia

I am fully okay with the content we have. The 3-4 hour time window in the evening where i can play is always filled with stuff to do.

I have a ton of jobs, crafters and achievements still not done, so.... :)

EDIT: Oh and regarding your complaint about a missing grind fest: Yeah no. A normal person with a normal work who can only play for a (normal) few hours in the evening should not be lacking behind simply due to the fact he is normal and can't play 10h+ a day.

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I can't really word why this comment annoys me so much. It's like I'm being shamed for enjoying the game in longer sessions than deemed acceptable by you.

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Originally Posted by Rasylia

I am fully okay with the content we have. The 3-4 hour time window in the evening where i can play is always filled with stuff to do.

I have a ton of jobs, crafters and achievements still not done, so.... :)

EDIT: Oh and regarding your complaint about a missing grind fest: Yeah no. A normal person with a normal work who can only play for a (normal) few hours in the evening should not be lacking behind simply due to the fact he is normal and can't play 10h+ a day.

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Actually yes the person that can play 10h+ a day should be rewarded more and be ahead of others. That is kind of the way the world works if you hadn't figured that out yet. You can put in 40 hours at your job and get payed the minimum for your position and not be considered for high value promotions. Or you can work 80 and be payed on the high end of the scale and be far more valued for promotions into management and leadership. Put in more effort and get more rewards, that is the very basis of our society today.

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Originally Posted by Eclipsed

Yes, extremely .

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I mean if your doing savage you could do all of it in crafted 320 gear so the complaint on not being able to take alts in there I do not understand , how many people have a full 340 set right now Its totally impossible atm. I honestly play about 10 plus hours a day haha thats alot and I dont really run out of stuff to do, I worry I will tho but in reality its very hard to run out of things to do. I think SE could add more to the game but I still believe no matter what they bring out people will rush through it and be right back here on the forums making post like this.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I mean if your doing savage you could do all of it in crafted 320 gear so the complaint on not being able to take alts in there I do not understand , how many people have a full 340 set right now Its totally impossible atm. I honestly play about 10 plus hours a day haha thats alot and I dont really run out of stuff to do, I worry I will tho but in reality its very hard to run out of things to do. I think SE could add more to the game but I still believe no matter what they bring out people will rush through it and be right back here on the forums making post like this.

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The complaint is, if I join some of my other friends in raid on an alt job to help them out after I have done it on my main. We both lose out on loot. So if a good friends static needs a healer for example, and I already did it on my SAM, I can't go help them and have some fun because it will harm more than help.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Yeah, this topic speaks volumes about how misleading SB turned out to be. None of that 3x budget thing was true because Stormblood is literally Heavensward with a new coat of paint. It's got nothing new in the endgame department at all and they still gate tomes after all these years. It's disappointing and SE have not learned a single thing from tome feedback or anything else. It's the same tired and boring formula.... i'm only on because I'm trying to finish savage but after that there's nothing left until next patch for me.

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No developer was ever quoted to say that SB would have a 3x larger budget compared to HW.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

No developer was ever quoted to say that SB would have a 3x larger budget compared to HW.

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And I never said that. It was a rumour though.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

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You are only speaking of people playing at a competition level or who think it matters to them (when it doesn't, as usual with any meta). That being said I'm sure they would gate the artefact progression if they had to do it again.

But anyway, I agree that rng is bad and that playing all of Legion's content could feel meaningless after a while if you didn't get your legendary (or a crappy one), but that's not my point. The fact is Legion uses its areas and it works. Something I would really like FF14 to try too.

My point isn't that FF14 should do the exact same thing as WoW, but that it should also use its world more. I mean FF14 has beautiful areas and it's been bothering me since ARR that it doesn't bring players into them. World Quest is something that I enjoyed doing in WoW and I'd love something along those lines in FF14. I don't mean by that the exact same copy as it wouldn't work in FF14, but something similar that would give me a reason to play outside its cities.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

No developer was ever quoted to say that SB would have a 3x larger budget compared to HW.

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But this really doesn't feel like they've put money back into it.

I Agree with the , "using old area's for new content", the game is amazing, and I think it would be good to do a few things. 1, add flying to older zones "same requirements or either tracking, but allowing max players to travel quicker", and push players to kill or quest in older zones, not just story/main but some hunts etc. like fate's have u lvl-sync, I see this as keeping everyone engaged in older zones, a lot of folks have missed out on some of the older zones. just my .02

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Originally Posted by Eclipsed

The complaint is, if I join some of my other friends in raid on an alt job to help them out after I have done it on my main. We both lose out on loot. So if a good friends static needs a healer for example, and I already did it on my SAM, I can't go help them and have some fun because it will harm more than help.

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Now this I can see the issue the loot rules for raiding is very stupid

The reason this game will die is cause its name "Final fantasy".
If you are smart enough you sure know why.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Because FFXIV is not a particularly interesting game to watch? Plenty of games with large followings don't perform well on Twitch simply because the game doesn't having viewership appeal. That doesn't necessarily speak to the quality of the product. Now I certainly won't deny XIV could improve upon some of its more... repetitive aspects, though I'm not bothered by most of them. For me, I enjoy those "boring" Savage fights and trials far more than anything Black Desert offered. But to each their own.

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This. MMO gameplay is generally not fun to watch, with PvP being the exception.

Now I can't say I don't dislike the way SE is doing things, but that's a separate point from number of Twitch viewers and how fun FFXIV is to watch.

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Originally Posted by YitharV2

This. MMO gameplay is generally not fun to watch, with PvP being the exception.

Now I can't say I don't dislike the way SE is doing things, but that's a separate point from number of Twitch viewers and how fun FFXIV is to watch.

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I find watching others play ANY game is boring(unless it's a short guide to help me figure something out - hidden chest, solve a puzzle I've spent hours on, getting those super strong end game weapons in single player RPGs - though I am watching and doing at same time). Had an argument with someone because I said "I don't see the appeal of watching someone else play a game while you do nothing yourself"...they couldn't understand that it's my feelings on the matter and not me telling them to stop doing so and do it themselves.

WoW has Mythic+ dungeons that you farm to death for Artifact Power and a chance at legendaries. Trust me it gets boring as well.

I think its funny people complain about doing the same things over and over in XIV for loot, but then point to WoW and Diablo 3 as better alternatives... where you do the sames things over and over for loot.

Does not compute.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I think its funny people complain about doing the same things over and over in XIV for loot, but then point to WoW and Diablo 3 as better alternatives... where you do the sames things over and over for loot.

Does not compute.

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The grass is always greener...but in the MMO cases the grass is usually exactly the same – just a using a different art style.

Just wait until SE adds blitz ball in-game