Who else is bored? Same Content and Formula...Was SB a waste of money?

[TheRealMadruck]

So after literally weeks since the launch of SB, I have been keeping track on the amount of average viewers that have been tuning in to watch players on Twitch. When SB first launched, there was a average of over 7-8k viewers at any given time throughout the first 4 weeks. Now if you go to twitch during peak hours....less that 2k are there. That is literally a decrease of 75% Twitch viewers of FF14 in less than 5 weeks! Do you want to know why?

Since SE decided to basically recycle content for a 3rd time in it's MMOs history, players are starting to learn that for weeks after a patch drops or expansion drops that once they have achieved the required gear to enter Savage Raid or any new content....such content will practically become repetition for weeks of the same old boring 2 dungeons(in 4.1 we are getting only 1 new dungeon), the same boring 4 bosses over and over again in Savage, and the same old EX Primals to earn gear that will become irrelevant/obsolete in 3 months. This is what people consider fun?

If you do even a basic comparison of other MMOs on the market today, they all have built in mechanisms at the very start of a expansion to sustain its player base for a great period of time since its launch. When Blizzard launched Legion, players for weeks never once complained of having nothing to do.....but actually the polar opposite...people were actually complaining of having to much to do and THAT IS HOW MMOs ARE SUPPOSE TO BE DESIGNED! Even other MMOs that are not sub based have similar systems....look at Black Desert Online and the ever constant level grind to no end, or how about even a game like Diablo 3! Diablo 3 is incredibly repetitive...but they added in paragon levels to give players within such a game something to do even if it was throttled back! FF14 doesn't!

Now my biggest question is this....why couldn't SE have released our Relics in 4.0 or some other slow growth mechanic and created a huge grind fest like they have done before making us run content at our level or slightly below(I am not talking about the Idiocy that was the Atma grind making max level players do content like they just joined the game sometimes being 30 levels lower than what they were while only spamming only one button) to keep us having some form of growth of our characters even if it was really slow paced? Growth and progress is still growth and progress! That is what keeps players playing....not some artificial roadblock you place every week to force players to keep playing....but actual growth mechanics even if at a snails speed to keep people wanting to play by choice to continue such growth! I hope someone from SE passes on my opinion.....

[Rasylia]

I am fully okay with the content we have. The 3-4 hour time window in the evening where i can play is always filled with stuff to do.

I have a ton of jobs, crafters and achievements still not done, so....

EDIT: Oh and regarding your complaint about a missing grind fest: Yeah no. A normal person with a normal work who can only play for a (normal) few hours in the evening should not be lacking behind simply due to the fact he is normal and can't play 10h+ a day.

[TheRealMadruck]

I am fully okay with the content we have. The 3-4 hour time window in the evening where i can play is always filled with stuff to do.

I have a ton of jobs, crafters and achievements still not done, so....

EDIT: Oh and regarding your complaint about a missing grind fest: Yeah no. A normal person with a normal work who can only play for a (normal) few hours in the evening should not be lacking behind simply due to the fact he is normal and can't play 10h+ a day.

So are you going to say that when the new Relics come out? The last 2 expansions Relic were huge time sinks that kept people playing.....but there was a ton of things to do that took weeks. Are you saying since they added that growth mechanic into the game you would not be able to do it because of your schedule now?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Do you want to know why?

Because FFXIV is not a particularly interesting game to watch? Plenty of games with large followings don't perform well on Twitch simply because the game doesn't having viewership appeal. That doesn't necessarily speak to the quality of the product. Now I certainly won't deny XIV could improve upon some of its more... repetitive aspects, though I'm not bothered by most of them. For me, I enjoy those "boring" Savage fights and trials far more than anything Black Desert offered. But to each their own.

[Zeonsilt]

They promised to introduce "something new" to the formula in "Eureka" update. (4.1 patch, i think)

[Nezia]

Blizzard has created what I like to call of 'virtual' content.

Literally everything you do in legion has only a chance of giving you a reward, you have no guarantee that your efforts are going to be rewarded, you can spend 200+ hours grinding for an item and someone else got the exact same item after spending 10 or 15 hours.

Just imagine if Susanoo had only a 5% chance to drop a weapon and had no token, people would be running parties for Susanoo for months after the launch of the expansion and still not everyone would have their weapon. And that's not all! There is also a chance that your weapon will have a 5 ilvl upgrade or a even smaller chance that it will have a 10 ilvl upgrade, and there is also the chance that it will have extra sockets for you to put materias on, or some random stat that buffs your movement speed or survival. Do you call that actual content? That's basically what Blizzard has done.

Now, I will agree that SE could add something here and there to increase the content longevity.

[Tsumdere]

I never feel like I never have anything to do.

More jobs to level, more things to craft and gather, more achivements and logs to fill (I like completing things like sightseeing logs), more gil to grind, more mounts and minions to collect... Not to mention I also RP on top of it all so I have a few alts I level at my leisure.

Completionists are never bored. :P

[TheRealMadruck]

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But guess what Nezia, SE did that as well with the Atma grind in 2.0, so they are just as guilty of that! And your right....it was pure RNG....but it was RNG you may win that kept players coming back in hopes of winning! In SB, there is no growth....all there is once you have done your raids for the week and capped for the week....your done, for the rest of that week you literally have nothing to do but earn useless gil to buy houses that aren't available and to buy 320 gear yet again that becomes useless as soon as a new patch drops! Hence a waste of money and a waste of time!

[Krotoan]

I got what I wanted when I payed for this expansion, more story, new jobs, new places .. etc etc. There is a story for EVERY SINGLE JOB that goes to 70. There are side quests with story and lore in them. There are easter eggs to ferret out, vistas to find and fates to do.
there is a LOT to do, I still have all my crafting to get past 60, I JUST finished 2/3 gathering classes to 70 and am now using those to build Gil and farm items for crafts (and I need dem 61 expedition pets!), I'm gathering glamour peices for my new jobs, learning new rotations for all the jobs and I haven't even gotten all the jobs I like to 70 yet.
I personally don't think twitch views is a good indication of how good a particular game is.. it's people WATCHING people play the game, which is a different market. I don't want to WATCH.. I want to DO! my friends want to DO stuff with me. Not watch me play games.

I don't believe for one second that NOBODY complained that there was nothing to do after WoW or any other games expansion. People will always complain once the one thing they consider "content" has been exhausted : I have max level/stat gear, I have nothing to do. I finished the story, there's nothing to do. I have all the spoons available in the entire game, I have nothing to do. The list goes on and on. People will ALWAYS complain.


I'm not gonna white knight and say this game is the best that's ever been or even the best currently available. I WILL say For me, and what I paid it's worth it and will continue to be worth it if they continue the flow of content that has kept me happy so far. When the next grind that gives me my purple weapon comes out I will dive right into that as well but it's not going to be some insane light grinding fest like I've heard some other people do. I will play my 4-7 hours a week that my job/life allows and when I get the shiny thing I will be happy and another will be available.
Sorry you feel this game didn't have enough stuff to keep you busy, but I don't think anyone promised anything they didn't deliver.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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The irony here is you more or less described Diadem, especially the updated version that boasted a ilvl 280 weapon with randomized secondaries. The response? Near universal scorn; frequently cited as the worst piece of content developed outside perhaps Lord of Verminion. Now that was probably an oversimplification of WoW, but it still amused me.