What should be the next tank job

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Originally Posted by Faeon

no new tank job, look at all the posts about the current 3 tanks, can you imagine 4

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Pretty much this. As much as I would enjoy more flavor of tanks, there is a severe tanking issue on the devs part. And considering Yoshi-P's answers to VIT not getting AP added back in (because we would stack VIT and have inflated health somehow), or most recently with tenacity (They don't want us to stack our only tank substat, because of course not). I think its clear the devs don't have a tangible idea of how they want tanks to be implemented.

Until they resolve their issues with the current tanks, its a waste to try and balance a 4th job with a role that is poorly defined outside get threat, survive tank busters.

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Originally Posted by Kaonis

Until they resolve their issues with the current tanks, its a waste to try and balance a 4th job with a role that is poorly defined outside get threat, survive tank busters.

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They already said tank accessories will start having STR in them. Look forward to that in tomorrow's patch.

Also: hop around the other forums. All role forums are seeing a lot of controversy over this or that.

Blue Mage, with one handed spear and a shield. Capture magic in the shield, release it through the spear? I just want a BLU tank :).

I really don't want a BLU tank. It just seems too similar to what we already got and we only get tanks every 4 years at best. This next one could be our last tank job until 2023 at this rate. DPS can accommodate fan service jobs much better.

I just want the next tank job to be exceptional and unique. Enough so that it should tempt all tanks to want to switch to it based on its aesthetics alone.

I wish see 2 possible tank class.
1 hellberd using knight.
Or
Blunt weapon user like Warhammer or mace wilder

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Originally Posted by DWolfwood

I really don't want a BLU tank. It just seems too similar to what we already got and we only get tanks every 4 years at best. This next one could be our last tank job until 2023 at this rate. DPS can accommodate fan service jobs much better.

I just want the next tank job to be exceptional and unique. Enough so that it should tempt all tanks to want to switch to it based on its aesthetics alone.

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The name and aesthetic of a tank isnt the same as its mechanics.
Before MMO FFs;
Warriors (Knights with a dash of Berserker) never had Wrath stacks/Beast Gauge to work with.
Paladins (Knights with low tier white magic) never had oaths, and mitigations.
Dark Knights, this doesnt even need explained.

Simply learning a spell, and which spells fit which basic functions in BLU, doesnt actually tell you its playstyle mechanics.
It could have a job Gauge that is literaly Temp HP.
The higher it is, the more mitigation they have (or maybe less) and a portion of HP healed goes to it every heal or something. But they can use the gauge for certain actions, like their DPS stances.

Maybe they have the Damage MP mechanic of FFT, and use MP as temp HP instead, and their "gauge" is something else.

These mechanics can be given to literally ANY possible job, no matter what.
Even a WAR could have Damage MP, because they dont need MP, so they trained a way to waste it into the dmg they take.

While IM a 101% positive the Devs will find a way to mess up a new tank, that doesnt mean it cant exist, nor that it cant eventually be fixed/changed (and then broken again)

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Originally Posted by Faeon

no new tank job, look at all the posts about the current 3 tanks, can you imagine 4

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You say that as if they did any better balancing healers or dps.

If anything the fact that this expansion messed up levelling roulette so hard they had to hand out tier 6 materia means we're definitely getting a new tank in 5.0.

I'd like to see Dancer as a tank.

It better have a gunweapon or riot.

Just sayin', Gunhammers are pretty neat.

Well, my friends think I'm crazy for this but here it is....

A 100% pure tank with no weapons and two shields.

It would function through self/party defensive buffs and the main dps utility would be shield bashes, throws, etc.

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Originally Posted by IhzaMhaskova

Well, my friends think I'm crazy for this but here it is....

A 100% pure tank with no weapons and two shields.

It would function through self/party defensive buffs and the main dps utility would be shield bashes, throws, etc.

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Fun as that would be to play, it better start at level 80. :P

Shield Tank, a tank with two shields. Like the 2.0 boss.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Fun as that would be to play, it better start at level 80. :P

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Oh, my! I just squealed with joy at someone else saying it would be fun!

I've never gotten that response before!

:D

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

The name and aesthetic of a tank isnt the same as its mechanics.

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I understand that, however, play style mechanics within a job are almost completely irrelevant. Of course we want however the new tank plays to be fun, but the end result will always be: X buttons to press as CDs, some combo rotation, some OGCDs, and perhaps a mechanic that mixes these things up with a gauge.

Fact is, we got two magic based tanks that I think they should keep working on strengthening the magic part of their identities rather than bring a 3rd into it. Like I mentioned before, this could be our last new tank job ever, if not at least for the next 4+ years.

Make it something that truly makes all tanks (and players) want to play it. You may think BLU is this job, but I for one don't, and it would possibly be the first tank job in any FF MMO that I choose not to level.

BLU just seems more of a niche job that some people love.

My signature pretty much says what I want, but it's a similar idea to this Gunlancer people are talking about. I'd rather have a massive cannon though rather than a shooting lance + shield. Would be pretty awesome and fitting in with a Garlean theme too. I think it has the kind of mass appeal too that we should look for in our new tank too.

Of course, feel free to disagree, because I won't change my stance on BLU. It simply seems boring to me. Equally boring as the idea of a RDM tank. I think BLU would be better suited to being a new DPS job.

Personally I can't stand the thought of blu as a tank much less even in the game. I would much rather see beast master pet tank than blu any day. Given time I could probably come up with better ideas than that.

Personally, I'd like a real counter tank. Not a little gimmick like what DRK had, but a counter mechanic as a core.

For me, this tank would have several combos and each could end in a special counter stance for a few seconds. If you get hit by an attack corresponding to your counter stance (magical, physical, heavy attacks, whatever...), you'd massively reduce its damage and deal a powerful counterstrike. It's directly inspired by the Swordmaster of Bravely Default, and, IMO, would have fit nicely for a SAM tank.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I would say rune fencer like in FF11 but that is kind of similar to dark knight so they probably won't do that.

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Celes from VI was a Rune Knight so they could possibly do something revolving around magic powered/absorption defense.

Mystic Knight - sort of a caster/gish tank.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

You say that as if they did any better balancing healers or dps.

If anything the fact that this expansion messed up levelling roulette so hard they had to hand out tier 6 materia means we're definitely getting a new tank in 5.0.

I'd like to see Dancer as a tank.

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For real, itll probably be a highly requested job at that

I would like they rather use resources to fix the tank balancing in general than expend them thinking on a new job for now...

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Originally Posted by IhzaMhaskova

Oh, my! I just squealed with joy at someone else saying it would be fun!

I've never gotten that response before!

:D

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Well, that is one of the two posters coming into all of our threads here trying to get us nerfed.

The only class I can think of possibly fitting would be Geomancer.

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Originally Posted by DWolfwood

Of course, feel free to disagree, because I won't change my stance on BLU. It simply seems boring to me. Equally boring as the idea of a RDM tank. I think BLU would be better suited to being a new DPS job.

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Honestly i am disappointed that PLD has a cast spell now, as that does make it feel more like a melee mage. Though I still dont see it as such, nor DRK. (even less so DRK)
So I guess thats a matter of opinion.

I also would like to see a BLU being a pure caster, as in, all actions are spells. (and if they use Weapon Skills, they do so like RDM, on occasion. or maybe only the 1st hit of a "combo" which are all spells.)
As for wanting a Canon tank, I have no interest in touching such a job, seems uninteresting, but I also like variation as much as most people, so I would hope to see a "gun/canon" tank eventually, even if its not me.

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Originally Posted by Falar

Well, that is one of the two posters coming into all of our threads here trying to get us nerfed.

The only class I can think of possibly fitting would be Geomancer.

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Geomancer is mentioned somewhere in the WHM quests and would likely turn out to be a healer.

Hammers please. We need more than one blunt damage job!

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Geomancer is mentioned somewhere in the WHM quests and would likely turn out to be a healer.

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That would be different. It was always a bit of a melee/caster hybrid before.

Maybe if the next expansion takes us to the Empire, a Magitek Knight.

I'd go for the Bluemage

Unlike DPS, heal and tank have fewer jobs which makes the job identity even more important.

From a visual standpoint at least, each job must feel very different.

The 3 main theme are currently
Holy Tank
Dark Tank
Physical / Rage Tank



The Blue Mage does not fit any of the above, which would allow the devs to make a very unique tank. The "Magical Tank"
Also, the fact that Blue Mage has to be smashed in the face to learn his skills also fit the "tank" theme quite well.
FF14 being its own thing, the blue mage doesn't have to be a Int based user. In fact, assuming no drastic change on the itemisation, it would be best if Blue Mage wear plate like all tank for the sake of not creating another gear category. There is enough gear categories as it is. We don't need more "ninja-style" gear. Especially not for a tank.
Also, due to the way new job get their skills in FF14, the blue mage would be very easy to implement. "Oh, did you hear of that monster? Go their and fight it! I'M sure you'll learn something useful :D". The flexibility of the job arsenal could also help SE design a very unique job as they'd have very little limitation to what skill they could give it as almost anything is done by a mob somewhere.
Finally, I can't stress this point enough, FF14 is not FF11, even Yoshida start being sick of people comparing the two games. If they ever do the blue mage, it will not have access to all the skill from all the mobs in the entire game. You won't be able to cast miracle because Alexander did it on you.

However, the Geomancer could also fit as there is no "elemental tank".
Using nature skill as shield, rock shield and stuff could work. why not.


As a side note, people often call for the beast master as a pet-tank.
This will not happen for a few reason.
1 -SE does not want pet to tank or be remotely good at doing someone else's job. The SMN titan nerf and progressive diminution of pet value is a good example.
2 -A pet tank would mean that if the pet dies, the player doesn't, which would go against SE philosphy of making all tank equal (weither or not they achieve this goal is a different story). A tank who can die repeatidely from tank burst would have a net advantage. On the otherhand, counter balancing this by making that the pet death result in the player death would make 3 even worst.
3 -The game isn't made around managing two character at once. Too many fight require tight positioning. Asking a player to control both his character and the pet would simply make the job too hard to play, especially on controller (unless they rework the zone targeting system).

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Originally Posted by Falar

That would be different. It was always a bit of a melee/caster hybrid before.

Maybe if the next expansion takes us to the Empire, a Magitek Knight.

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I'M very sceptical about the Geomancer being a healer.
Not that it wouldn't fit the role, far from that. But as I just posted for the Bluemage,
Healers and Tanks have less job thus the job identity must be very strong and unique.
WHM : Holy/Nature
SCH: "pet/fairies" "math?"
AST: Space, Star, buff

Geomancer would just get too close to the WHM imo.
On the other hand, there is only 3 caster dps and there is definitely room for some sort of "white mage dps" a bit like the elemental shaman in WoW.
However, my dream dps job would be the Time Mage, using a lot of arcane and time magic to damage. grayish, purple-ish and blakc spells.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

I'M very sceptical about the Geomancer being a healer.
Not that it wouldn't fit the role, far from that. But as I just posted for the Bluemage,
Healers and Tanks have less job thus the job identity must be very strong and unique.
WHM : Holy/Nature
SCH: "pet/fairies" "math?"
AST: Space, Star, buff

Geomancer would just get too close to the WHM imo.
On the other hand, there is only 3 caster dps and there is definitely room for some sort of "white mage dps" a bit like the elemental shaman in WoW.
However, my dream dps job would be the Time Mage, using a lot of arcane and time magic to damage. grayish, purple-ish and blakc spells.

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I do hope the next mage DPS is Time Mage/Chronomancer.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

As a side note, people often call for the beast master as a pet-tank.
This will not happen for a few reason.
1 -SE does not want pet to tank or be remotely good at doing someone else's job. The SMN titan nerf and progressive diminution of pet value is a good example.
2 -A pet tank would mean that if the pet dies, the player doesn't, which would go against SE philosphy of making all tank equal (weither or not they achieve this goal is a different story). A tank who can die repeatidely from tank burst would have a net advantage. On the otherhand, counter balancing this by making that the pet death result in the player death would make 3 even worst.
3 -The game isn't made around managing two character at once. Too many fight require tight positioning. Asking a player to control both his character and the pet would simply make the job too hard to play, especially on controller (unless they rework the zone targeting system).

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IT CANT BE DONE, THIS IS MADNESS!!!

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Its more impossible to not be able to do it, than the opposite.
Every tank has a "Survives the attack" mechanic, which would pretty much be perfect for a "let the pet die" move, to bring out a new one. (Only every so often, just like typical tank invincibility abilities.)

You also dont need to make a pet dodge AoEs, while also trying to dodge AoEs.
You could, but you dont have to.
Make the pet owner melee, and make them have the rare occasional positional that requires standing in the front.

This fills the place of "make a tank avoid AoEs" as they need to avoid AoEs while doing their rotation, except the pet can simple eat 95% of all AoE dmg, not requiring it to be moved just to dodge.
When it comes to positioning a boss for certain things, THIS is when the game might have an issue.
My current "hot fit" for it, would simply to give the pet a massive movement speed increase when u have it set to follow you.
(placing it on the other hand is only slightly faster than a normal person, to make up for delay)

as for #1, they didnt want it tanking when it was broken like in Ramuh EX, or and other similar scenarios that may come up in the future.
Its meant for quick short term soloing.

Another issue I would change, is making it so that the player being healed, causes the pet to get healed, to make it easier on healers to target the pet. (Along with many similar changes)

Beastmaster would likely be implemented as an Aspect character. Take on the aspect of the Bear, or the Wolf, or the Turtle, etc.

I'm mostly just hoping for Rune Fencer from XI, aesthetic-wise at least. I'm aware RUN's XI mechanics don't really translate well to XIV, and as such I wouldn't expect it to play like XI's, but I thought the job just looked great. Viking dual wielding hammers or hammer + shield would be acceptable. Shield + Shield Viking would be hilarious and I'd take it to, so long as it was able to attack by hitting people with the shields, anyway.

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Originally Posted by Spiriel_Basanda

I'm mostly just hoping for Rune Fencer from XI, aesthetic-wise at least. I'm aware RUN's XI mechanics don't really translate well to XIV, and as such I wouldn't expect it to play like XI's, but I thought the job just looked great. Viking dual wielding hammers or hammer + shield would be acceptable. Shield + Shield Viking would be hilarious and I'd take it to, so long as it was able to attack by hitting people with the shields, anyway.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXp8Th41rBs

BLU for sure. They can main hand magic and offhand scimitars/scythes to play off red mages. Instead of dealing damage to gain red mana, they absorb damage with their spells to gain blue mana which they use to summon enemy's like stands to perform famous attacks (e.g. bad breath, final sting, etc.) Alternatively, they summon, use exclusively void type enemies.They can have different wards(stances) to better defend and absorb different attacks from certain enemy types. They could evem have a spell that lets them eat an aoe and return the damage.

Also, their spells should scale off vit or strength, because that's none of the tank gear has int. They could justify it lore wise by saying they're drawing from their lifeforce or something.

I just really want my all mage party comp.

BLU
WHM
BLM
RDM

A Judge class using cards to apply crowd control would be neat.

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Originally Posted by Spiriel_Basanda

I'm mostly just hoping for Rune Fencer from XI, aesthetic-wise at least. I'm aware RUN's XI mechanics don't really translate well to XIV, and as such I wouldn't expect it to play like XI's, but I thought the job just looked great.

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I switched to a RUN main in XI and I have to say I've never had so much fun tanking in any game. Tanking in general is more fun and rewarding in that game in that you're not just a DPS with defensive CDs and hate isn't just handed to you.

That being said, I think it would be hard to make it a tank in this game with DRK already in place. They're basically the same thing except that RUN was more of a magic/resist tank, and statuses pretty much don't exist in this game compared to XI. Furthermore, it doesn't really make sense that a "Fencer" would use anything but a sword, so it would be pretty redundant already.

It might work as a DPS, but I don't see it bringing enough uniqueness to this game.

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Shield + Shield Viking would be hilarious and I'd take it to, so long as it was able to attack by hitting people with the shields, anyway.

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I have to admit, as much as I want a heavy cannon tank, I agree that this would be hilarious. So hilarious in fact, that I could actually seeing it be pretty popular. I support this idea. lol

Berserker. Blue mage. Dancer. Thief. Time Mage. Chemist. Arithmetician. Mystic. Orator. Mime. Ranger(hunter). Gun Mage. Soldier. Gunblade User. Priest. Cleric. Knight. Beastmaster.

I think I got most of the jobs that exist in FF canon (aside form ones in game already). Only ones that really lend themselves well to tanking would be berserker, beastmaster, knight, soldier, mime, dancer, blue mage. Personally I think Dancer as a tank would be pretty nice, not sure how they would build their kit though without being incredibly OP or terrible. Perhaps focus around the parry mechanic the way PLD centers around blocking.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Personally, I'd like a real counter tank. Not a little gimmick like what DRK had, but a counter mechanic as a core.

For me, this tank would have several combos and each could end in a special counter stance for a few seconds. If you get hit by an attack corresponding to your counter stance (magical, physical, heavy attacks, whatever...), you'd massively reduce its damage and deal a powerful counterstrike. It's directly inspired by the Swordmaster of Bravely Default, and, IMO, would have fit nicely for a SAM tank.

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Samurai absolutely should have been a tank, or at least had some kind of... tank spec.

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Originally Posted by Umbeliel

Samurai absolutely should have been a tank, or at least had some kind of... tank spec.

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It would have been fun but after DRK, I think lots of people would have raged.
We can still have a counter tank, even without SAM.

despite how much i want to see gunblade implement into a job

I wish we would have a Hammer wielding tank as our next tank, probably like the one we found in Garlemald

can either the story evolve into making an uneasy alliance with Garlemald for the greater threat or simply someone/ group of Garleans flee from the empire

A blunt dmg tank will give a fresh start of having only slash dmg tank, also benefit MNK who the only job that current share same type of dmg

Chocobo Knight Tank with Spear and shield

The giant chainsaw gun thing from Doma castles last boss has to be the next tank class weapon.