2017/07/06 Hotfixes: Grade 6 Materia aplenty!

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

They need to start addressing the core issues, rather than bribing people.

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In with you 100% of the way. Instead of really making healers sand tanks fun to play, they'd rather throw tons of incentives at us. Mounts, special titles, Materia. This is Diadem 2.0 all over again. Rerelease shit content and throw a ridiculously powerful weapon in there to make people run it rather than just making fun content.

And the worst thing about this is they'll take the number or tanks and healers running Leveling after implementing this, and use it as assurance that people do play these roles. Sigh

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

Solo in an mmo.... does not compute I hope the NPC system sucks its a game for playing with others not with bots... if you want to play solo play a single player game... jeeez.

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Perhaps i need to elaborate.
I always loved playing with others in FFXI,
And i rather enjoy the primal fights in this game,
But speed running corridors culture is crap and i'll seek any other content to side step it.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

And the worst thing about this is they'll take the number or tanks and healers running Leveling after implementing this, and use it as assurance that people do play these roles. Sigh

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As a tank main, this is the first thing that popped in my head. WAR and DRK have issues and I just have this feeling they're gonna look at stats and say tanks are popular now so they are fine and don't need tweaks.

I don't believe there's any amount of "making tanks and healers fun to play" that will address the primary reason most folk don't play them. Fun is subjective. Healers and tanks are just as fun as dps... for those who find healing and tanking fun. The primary reason fewer people enjoy tanking and healing is because those roles have far more personal responsibility attached. It is impossible to "make tanking and healing more fun" in the manner dps is, because there is no way to untie the personal responsibility that comes with those roles.

Tanks are thrust into a leadership position. They are forced to set the pace (or let dps run roughshod over them and pull at a whim which only makes tanking less fun). They are expected to know the dungeon layout, the pulls, the boss mechanics, and to pull fast enough and big enough that itchy trigger finger dps don't go off the rails, but not so fast or big that they can't handle surviving. Which brings us to...

Healers are expected to not only keep the party healthy, but to also contribute dps and/or buffs (AST/SCH). Particularly, healers are expected to be able to keep the tank alive amidst large pulls. Pulls that SB content have made far more punishing on tanks than what we grew accustomed to in Heavensward with overgeared everyone and perhaps more forgiving dungeons (in some cases).

All dps are expected to do is... well.. to dps. They don't even have to be particularly good at it (but its really nice when they are). Their role has no personal responsibility attached outside of that which tanks and healers also have (not standing in bad, observing and reacting to mechanics). At least as far as dungeons are concerned, DPS have no added pressure on them to excel at their role whereas tanks and healers do. Obviously enrage timers in savage content are another animal entirely. DPS also have the epeen tape measure of big numbers.

So those who wish to avoid any extra personal responsibility and those who need their ego stroked by a 3rd party meter, are going to choose the dps role. Now this is not to say all dps are like that. Just as many if not more simply enjoy the role of dps for a variety of reasons that have little to do with responsibility or ego. But those who are drawn to dps for those two reasons inflate the pool of dps and obviously aren't filling the pool of tanks and healers. Making tanking and healing "more fun" isn't going to get these people to change their stripes.

We never get AIN as healer anyway :(

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Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

We never get AIN as healer anyway :(

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Hopefully you all get the bonus you deserve eventually.

good change , the issue is that u are kinda forced to play a tank for this bonus , even if u have the 3 tanks maxed wasting DR Leveling :/

Personally like many people I don't really care for materia melding anyway, Gear just doesn't last long enough to bother with materia.
So meh.... won't encourage me at all. I'll just go as whatever job I need the exp on. far more valuable than materia anyway.

I also think that that something like this would probably only work in the very short term because once the materia supply is at a certain level the value is going to plummet. and that in turn kill the incentive.

Doing a roulette as AIN for a 300k materia might seem tempting to some players but.
Doing it as AIN for a 50k materia... nahhhhhhhh i'll pass... exp is more valuable

If the AIN bonus was an exp scroll of sorts I could use on any of my jobs including dps. Something I and other people suggested here Then you'd more likely see me as AIN in roulettes all day long.

But materia nah, i'll just stick to whatever needs the exp as exp if far more useful and valuable than materia

I see the incentive but it's so easy to get clusters from new A ranks and S.

In the other hand cracked Crystals are non existent unless you transmu materia. I'll be doing leveling if Crystal were included

I guess a good move from team to encourage people to Q up

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Yeah, it can happen that the Adventurer in Need switches while waiting in queue.
It's been like that since before SB since it happened to me in HW atleast once.
And that is how I learned that it can change while waiting.

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It can indeed change while waiting, but every time it has happened to me I got the Adventurer in Need bonus based on what was shown when I signed up.

Still not worth the headach of doing leveling roulette.

Sooooooo they screwed the queue by adding 2 DPS and now they are desperate for people to play tank and heal....
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...lzNQhhFuwqYH1g

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Yeah, it can happen that the Adventurer in Need switches while waiting in queue.
It's been like that since before SB since it happened to me in HW atleast once.
And that is how I learned that it can change while waiting.

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I actually vaguely recall this not being the case as said by SE: providing AIN is showing when you initially queue you will still get it - even if it changes. I'll try and hunt around for the informations.

Coming from the person who don't do Hunt, I say this is quite an interesting addition. More incentive for me to leveling tank up I guess.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Sooooooo they screwed the queue by adding 2 DPS and now they are desperate for people to play tank and heal....
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...lzNQhhFuwqYH1g

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Doubt it would've been much different if they added tanks or healer classes to the expansion.
Sure, people will pick it up to see how it works, but in the end many would drop the roles anyway and return to their usual DPS jobs.

Picking up DPS is easy, but being a good tank and healers isn't.

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Originally Posted by Neri

Coming from the person who don't do Hunt, I say this is quite an interesting addition. More incentive for me to leveling tank up I guess.

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Hunts have become so toxic on my server that many hunt linkshells are afraid to even relay anymore. This should do a lot to give people another alternative. One has to see whether and how frequently the bonus is applied to healers as well.

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Originally Posted by Celef

"Sooooooo they screwed the queue by adding 2 DPS"
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...lzNQhhFuwqYH1g

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Can't be, everyone said the DPS queues would not be worse than they were in HW because tanks would still play tanks and healers still play healers. =^)

i think this is a relaly good idea because now that the reward for helping on queues isnt absolute garbage 9k gil, people will now be willing to help

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Originally Posted by QooEr

i think this is a relaly good idea because now that the reward for helping on queues isnt absolute garbage 9k gil, people will now be willing to help

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Gil is never garbage, though they could give new incentives to spend those company seals. The Grand Company vendors really need a proper Stormblood update of their inventory.

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Originally Posted by Furiea

it won't make more people play tank... but it will make tank like me play more "rounds" of leveling routlette. more carrots for me while others cry foul.

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Nothing wrong with that. It'll still get the queues moving faster. And if prefer playing as DPS, but have a tank leveled, then guess what? You can use your bonus on other jobs. Novel concept!

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Picking up DPS is easy, but being a good tank and healers isn't.

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Depends on the player ^^"

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Originally Posted by Pence

I actually vaguely recall this not being the case as said by SE: providing AIN is showing when you initially queue you will still get it - even if it changes. I'll try and hunt around for the informations.

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This is true. It's based on the moment you enter queue.

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Originally Posted by Rinuko

This is my 2 cent.

Its not gonna help that much, it just gonna make everyone play tank for leveling DR
Tanks was never the problem (on my server), problem was to many DPS was queuing cause everyone play that rn
So Adventure in Need will 99% of the time be tanks
aka only tanks will get the clusters

Why not add it was a daily reward for just using the DR so everyone can get 1?

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Hate to tell you, but that's exactly the point.

People will level tanks to get free materia, thus reducing the dps:tank ratio and increasing queue speed. Giving it to everyone literally defeats the point.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

This is true. It's based on the moment you enter queue.

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When entering the dungeon the Adventurer in Need is locked yes.
But if it changes while you're queued and not yet entered you won't get the In Need bonus.

Flawless, so a reward for tanks only. Not sure why they even bother calling it an adventurer in need. Just auto drop it in tanks inventory and call it a day. What a joke.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Flawless, so a reward for tanks only. Not sure why they even bother calling it an adventurer in need. Just auto drop it in tanks inventory and call it a day. What a joke.

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I just did adventurers in need with my astro once it needed healers as well.

Even right now healers are needed.
http://i.imgur.com/aygJImO.jpg

I haven't seen healer as adv. in need for prolly 6 months. DPS never.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

It's a good reward since it has limit per day and rewards people who sacrifice and protect for others (the role of a tank is to sacrifice and protect).

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role in need rewards are not limited to once each day like the normal roulette reward. You get it everytime you do roulette as the role in need.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Flawless, so a reward for tanks only. Not sure why they even bother calling it an adventurer in need. Just auto drop it in tanks inventory and call it a day. What a joke.

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Welcome to every MMORPG that features a role trinity and a dungeon matchmaker.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Translation: Turns out what we said about duty finder not being bloated with DPS was wrong, here's some incentives please play tanks and healer.

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Role in need reward is for every role that have a shotage at the moment of queuing. It is not always tanks, but also healers or DPS if they have a shortage. The system is also ingame since ARR, 4 years before SB. And a increase of the reward was overdue since 4 years (the gil reward is not really rewarding)

Everyone benefits from this. DPS-only players get shorter queues and cheaper materia, because this will stifle any inflation in that market for months even if it's a short term measure. Tanks get some extra personal profit. Anyone can switch to tank, so there's no downside.

P.S. Please don't stop the complaints about how it should be for everyone in the party because there's no tank shortage yet only tanks can get them because there's a tank shortage, they're making me chuckle.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

P.S. Please don't stop the complaints about how it should be for everyone in the party because there's no tank shortage yet only tanks can get them because there's a tank shortage, they're making me chuckle.

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not 100% right

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Originally Posted by Sunako

I just did adventurers in need with my astro once it needed healers as well.

Even right now healers are needed.
http://i.imgur.com/aygJImO.jpg

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

Translation: Turns out what we said about duty finder not being bloated with DPS was wrong, here's some incentives please play tanks and healer.

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This is an incorrect statement. On average my DF queue times have been back to heavensward times on average. I'm a firm believer now in that SE is damned if they do and damned if they don't.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

Flawless, so a reward for tanks only. Not sure why they even bother calling it an adventurer in need. Just auto drop it in tanks inventory and call it a day. What a joke.

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As a tank, I can confirm this: Running an instance as tank is as easy as just dropping it into my inventory. But you know what? I ran an instance. And that's what this game needs right now: tanks running instances.

Anyone who wants a "free" cluster has exactly this option open to them. Anytime they want one, all they have to do is change to tank, and run an instance. Simple! And folks choose this path who normally would never touch tank? Then SE's plan has worked. It has gotten more people to tank, more tanks to run instances, and helped to ease the horrendous queues DPS are currently suffering.

No tank or healer should be complaining about this. They get free stuff.

No DPS should be complaining about this. Their queue times will most likely shorten due to the greater availability of tanks and healers - and even if they don't, Tier VI material will become much cheaper on the marketboards due to greater availability. It's a win either way.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

Gil is never garbage.

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Gil is always garbage. I have more than I know what to do with, have a fully customized house, all the materia and glamour I could ever want, and plenty of food. What use do I have for gil? Nothing, because it's worth two things: Jack and Squat.

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Originally Posted by Nezia

Why are some not main tanks crying over this when the most benefited players from this change are the dps only players?

-Queue times drops
-Materia price drops
-Some players may even change from maining dps to tank, so finding groups on PF is easier too

It's a win win for everyone.

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Because those are all long term effects. Many people see this and just think of the short term of tanks getting materia faster than them

This won't fix anything long term. This change won't get people to switch mains to tank. It will simply make people temporarily switch to get the materia/gil they need now, and we'll be back to square one in a month or two.

It's a temporary band aid.

If prices for materia rise because supplies slow down, it will naturally incentivise more people to jump on their tanks for the roulette again for a while. I think it's quite a good solution to the problem (polishing up the jobs they damaged in the transition to SB would be a good followup plan, and RDM/SAM bandwagon jumping will naturally drop off as people get them all levelled up anyway).

Tank lifee

As a tank main, I find that this incentive will only benefit those who don't like doing hunts for materia VI and those who have money to spend on them. After seen this I just ran and sell 30+ materia VI before the price drops even more (which is my main source of incomes) and still won't be doing rouls unless I really need it because they are really tedious/time consuming. If I wanted materia VI I would go and do a 3 min to kill hunt and not a 30 min dungeon.